[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is October 7th, 2020. The year is coming to an end, and we're also happy about that. Um, we have a great show plan today in a moment we're going to be joined by. I'm Chris bell, many of you know who he is, uh, from his documentaries, he does amazing documentaries.

[00:00:21] And, uh, we're going to be talking about it's, uh, two years since the release of a leaf of faith, his documentary about Kratom, Cray, Tom. However you want to say it, potato, potato. And we're going to discuss what's happened in the past two years since the, uh, documentary made its debut. Uh, later in the show, we're going to tell you how you could possibly be the owner of a $5,799 three person, far infrared sauna next week, next week.

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[00:02:02] Chris Bell: [00:02:02] Doing great. How are you doing?

[00:02:03] Carl Lanore: [00:02:03] Good. Good. So you and I bumped into each other from time to time in actuality, the first time I interviewed you was 11 or 12 years ago.

[00:02:13] When I was doing a podcast for Dave Palumbo, his website, uh, RX muscle and Aaron cinnamon, who was not known by anybody was my cohost. And we talked to you about a bigger, stronger, faster, but also about living in the Mecca of bodybuilding in the early years and what it was like and all that. And so this is actually the second time I get to interview you.

[00:02:37] It's pretty cool. See what happens when you stick around a little while?

[00:02:40] Chris Bell: [00:02:40] Yeah, no, that's the old guys been around

[00:02:43] Carl Lanore: [00:02:43] us old guys. Exactly. So two years ago, uh, you set your sights on producing a documentary, uh, called leaf of faith. Before we talk about the documentary, why, why did that, why did that get in your radar?

[00:02:59] Chris Bell: [00:02:59] Uh, [00:03:00] so actually it's really interesting. My, one of my best friends, his name is Matt Weise. Uh, he's known to the world as a horseshoe. Um, he's also known to the world as well. Luther reins. He was in the WWE for quite awhile. He was the Undertaker's like right hand man or not. He was Kurt angle's right hand, man.

[00:03:17] Um, he had some battles with the undertaker and some other big names, uh, but he sort of, he sorta like was a flash in the pan. You want to say in the wrestling business. Because of his own choice. Uh, he got into pro wrestling and he's, uh, he was a former, a former athlete and then he got into drugs and then he got into wrestling.

[00:03:38] And then it got back into drugs, you know? And so by his own choice and admission, he basically chose opioids. Yeah. Painkillers over professional wrestling, because he had found other ways to hustle and make money and stuff like that. So, uh, eventually horseshoe had a stroke and, um, I was really, really close friends with him and [00:04:00] our other good friend, Nick Thomas.

[00:04:01] Who's now a big time Hollywood producer. Um, we were all really good friends and at that time, Um, when, when horseshoe had a stroke, Nick was like his roommate. And like, none of us had any money. None of us had any, any way to like really help him. But we sorta like came together at that time and helped them through the stroke and help them sort of get back on his feet.

[00:04:22] I mean, he had to do all the rehab on his own and all that stuff like that, but everybody kind of like supported, but then a couple of years later, yeah, he was doing great. You know, like you had this major, major stroke and I see him walking around and he's great. And he's got no pain. And so I'm like, dude, what is it like, what have you done?

[00:04:39] You know, like cut you, you look great. You know, it's, it's really hard to fathom that you could come back like this. And he was like, Hey bro, you gotta try this crate and stuff. And he was always kind of the guy I, that was trying to push stuff on you. And I'm like, I don't know anything that, anything, anything to do with you, you know, because he was, he was a drug addict, you know?

[00:05:00] [00:05:00] And he's like, no, you don't understand. This is the other side of it. This is like the off ramp for me. This is where. I found, you know, I, I was like, I doubted it too. And I, people told me it would have helped me, like the painkillers helped me and helped me get out of pain. It would help me with my mindset.

[00:05:16] It would help me with depression and anxiety and all these things. And he's like, and I took it and now I feel amazing. So sorta just by seeing him and watching what he was doing, um, inspired me to give it a shot because I would have never gave it. Giving it a shot had, I just sort of heard it in passing from somebody else, but when you hear it from somebody who's a major, major drug addict.

[00:05:39] No, no, this is the good stuff, you know, you're more apt to try it. You're like, okay, well, if this guy is actually using this, let me see if this would be helpful for me. And I, you know, read after bigger, stronger, faster, I was coming off double hip replacement surgery and six years ago, addiction and I had gone through that addiction at the same time.

[00:05:58] My buddy horseshoe. [00:06:00] What's going through that addiction. So we used to like trade drugs out and, you know, it's like when you get into opioids, you become friends with people that are into opioids. You know, we were, we were trading out drugs together, but now here we are. Trying to change the world together, you know, and that, um, from him getting me into Creighton, I was able to get on Joe Rogan's radar.

[00:06:19] I had already been on Joel Rogan's podcast several times. I went on Joe Rogan's podcast and, um, talk about crate them and everything it's done for me. And that podcast is sort of exploded. The business of creating them and people using it. I think that that really helped. And then as we see in the film, which we'll get to a little bit later, I feel like Joe, Rogan's part of the reason why creative is still around and why it's still legal.

[00:06:43] Like why it's still

[00:06:44] Carl Lanore: [00:06:44] here. That's a, that's a great attribution to make to him. Um, he has such a big following. Hopefully Spotify won't screw that up, but anyway, um, yeah. Anyway, well, I should say the employees at Spotify who think that they should have editorial [00:07:00] rights over him, but, um, so the first thing that people are going to hear is, Oh, opioid addicts, uh, turned to Cray Tom, or crate them because it must be.

[00:07:13] More dangerous will harsh more stronger, but the reality is that opioid addicted people don't want to be addicted to opioids. And the reality is Cray. Tom. They see that as, as an off ramp. Talk about the whole, the whole concept of like people aren't seeking out Cray, Tom they're seeking out heroin and stuff like that.

[00:07:34] Talk about that.

[00:07:36] Chris Bell: [00:07:36] Yeah, exactly. And I have a good friend of mine who, a heroin addict that called me as soon as I finished a leap of faith. And I thought he was gonna call me and sorta lay into me about how Creighton's dangerous and all these things. And he actually said to me, you know what? I just want to let you know, you're standing out a great message because it's like for people like me that are, that were heroin addicts, I would never seek out something like crate them.

[00:07:57] I would always seek out something more, more [00:08:00] dangerous, more, more different, you know, and I'm right. Yeah. And he said, just making people aware of this is actually a good thing, rather than a bad thing. Like no one goes from heroin to create them. Not one person I've ever seen has gone from heroin to create them and gotten worse.

[00:08:16] People might go from doing nothing to doing crazy and then develop some sort of dependence on it, but they could do that with coffee or any other substance in the world. Right. So, um, You know, the, uh, the chance for addiction with Kratom is actually very, very low. Uh, and there, there are people that do develop a dependence to it, but people have developed a dependence to it in every single instance that I've seen take massive, massive amounts of it.

[00:08:45] So it's really hard to compare it to anything else. I mean, if you drank 17 cups of coffee a day, you're going to get, you know, a dependence on it.

[00:08:54] Carl Lanore: [00:08:54] Right, right. And, and there's a big difference between dependence is going to involve the [00:09:00] problem. And there's a big difference between dependence and addiction.

[00:09:03] So in addiction, the area of the brain that the compound stimulates it, not only stimulates it, but it increases, uh, a protein, a hormone called BD and F. And what BDNF does is it increases the density of these. Neurons that favor this molecule. So it is literally a physical dependence because the brain remodels, the area that likes that the compound gets bigger and bigger and more dominant on everything that goes on in your brain dependence is different.

[00:09:38] I, so I'm proud to say I have struggled with caffeine, Chris, for close to 20 years now, you know, back in the day, Um, when I was training as a powerlifter, I was using 600 milligrams of caffeine anhydrous a day, 300 before my workout, 300 after. So I can go to work that blossomed [00:10:00] thousand, just, just, um, three weeks, weeks ago, four weeks ago, I was using 1600 milligrams of combined caffeine a day, and it wasn't working for me anymore.

[00:10:10] So I, I could say, Hey, caffeine is no different than cradle. I am now. Without the help of caffeine anonymous, uh, two weeks ago, two days completely caffeine free, not even chocolate. And it was hard the first, the first week, I, I felt horrible. I want that. I CA I had to keep talking myself down from going and get a bang energy drink.

[00:10:33] So people talk about cradle. It's not addictive. It does not remodel the brain it's habit forming. That is a big difference. That's a big deal.

[00:10:44] Chris Bell: [00:10:44] Yeah. And I think people need that need to understand that. And also just be aware that, you know, create them used under normal circumstances. In my opinion is probably the best thing that you could possibly use as a pre-workout, you know, as.

[00:10:57] Um, something to give you a little a boost in the [00:11:00] morning and just make you feel better. I mean, we're in the middle of a pandemic where almost every single person I know has suffered at least a little bit of depression. And if something can bring you out of that, depression, if something can actually ease your anxiety of not getting paid, not being able to go to work, you know, not being able to support your family.

[00:11:19] If something can ease that pain a little bit. I am all for it, especially if it's a natural, I actually don't think there's that much of a difference between natural and synthetic things. But what we do see is that a lot of times things are Cheryl 10 up in the party alarm better, a lot cleaner, a lot more efficient.

[00:11:39] Yeah. Without a lot of these crashes we have with other things that are sort of synthetic or manmade. So I don't think necessarily. It's always one or the other, like, everything's gotta be natural. Everything's gotta be drug. I don't think one or the other. I think we need to recognize that things that are natural are usually going to be safer.

[00:11:58] Usually going to have [00:12:00] a, um, sort of better come down than something that is going to be synthetic.

[00:12:04] Carl Lanore: [00:12:04] Well, they also be, tend to be more effective. So for instance, um, the chemotherapy SIS plantain, uh, is a single compound derived from the may Apple. And native Americans hundreds of years ago when they knew something, one had an illness that was familiar to them.

[00:12:23] Now we know it's called cancer. It would stop wasting. I think they would feed the may apples. They could just eat them. And the, the damage to good tissue was far less than using CIS plantain, which is this one isolated compound. What the same is true of full spectrum. Uh, hemp for instance, or spool full spectrum, crate them.

[00:12:48] For instance, if you were to isolate, if you would have picked the, the two most active, uh, components and crate them and isolate them and synthesize them, it probably would [00:13:00] backfire, I believe from an evolutionary perspective, evolution, develop these things to work synergistically. We call it stacking, right?

[00:13:08] When embodied below, I'm going to stack this and stack that. Yeah, because it has a synergistic effect. But nature does that naturally. So I got to believe that full spectrum Kratom would be way better than if they just isolated the alcohol. I feel,

[00:13:23] Chris Bell: [00:13:23] I feel the same way about CBD, right. I think, um, within the THC marijuana plant and I use edible marijuana here and there, and I really like it.

[00:13:33] I enjoy it. It's it's fun, you know, it's, it feels good. It actually helps me a lot with when I do get pain. Right. So, um, You know, the, the thing that the edible THC, it takes, you know, it takes a while to kick in and it takes well to, uh, get going in your, in your body. But what we were just talking about before that, cause I forgot my train of

[00:13:53] Carl Lanore: [00:13:53] thought.

[00:13:53] Oh no, we're talking about the full spectrum looking at full spectrum.

[00:13:57] Chris Bell: [00:13:57] Sure. Yeah. So I think the CBD component of [00:14:00] THC works really well in, in the context of the plant, but I've taken CBD by the gallon. Like tons of it. A lot of it, and I have never gotten relief from CBD for any problem that I've had. I know a lot of people talk about it.

[00:14:15] A lot of people rave about it. I just personally. Okay. As a person that's been in, a lot of chronic pain had double here for replacement surgery. Know what real pain is and know what real depression is and knows what real anxiety is. I have not gotten relief from CBD. Otherwise I would have definitely, definitely made a CBD movie.

[00:14:34] You know what I mean? Like there'd be, I wouldn't, it would have been so much easier for me to not go against the grain, make a CBD movie. I could have got, I had people throwing money at me. Trying to get me if make a CBD movie, couple hundred thousand dollars where the like, you know, they, they want to fund it because they want to show people how good CBD is.

[00:14:53] And I was like, yeah, it's just never worked for me. I'll pass, I'll pass. You know, however, when I found crate [00:15:00] them, it was a desire of mine to like, I have to share this with the world. I have to go out and tell people about them. You know? And every time I find something new, I feel like. Hey, man, we got to let the world know about this if they don't already.

[00:15:14] Right. So, um, you know, the, the next step from a crate on even the next step after that, I don't know if you've ever heard of Ivo game, but you hear it.

[00:15:24] Carl Lanore: [00:15:24] You'll hear Joe Rogan. Talk about use ibogaine, I think for heroin addicts, right? Don't they use that for heroin addicts.

[00:15:30] Chris Bell: [00:15:30] Yeah, but what I figured out through being in pain and, and hurting a lot is that I will get in my head opinion is the actual answer for this opioid epidemic, because it also gets rid of rid of chronic pain.

[00:15:43] So yeah, you're going to be blown away by this when I've done ibogaine recently, I did it six months ago. It took away literally all of my chronic pain. Now, when I use crate, I only use crate them for. The mental component of it, the cognitive cognitive boost that I get. Cause I feel great [00:16:00] when I take it.

[00:16:00] So I will take it, create them for that. But I, but check this out. What I will gain does is it literally reset all the neurotransmitters in your body. So you were just talking and about how, you know, it releases it chemical in the brain makes us part of the brain bigger, you know, be more dominant. I think we'll reset all the receptors in your body, including testosterone receptors.

[00:16:21] You know, uh, cannabis, cannabinoid, receptors, opioid, opioid receptors, it resets all these receptors back to baseline, like back to like when you were born. So you come out of it, not addicted or attached to anything. It's literally the most beautiful plant and the most beautiful process that I've ever had.

[00:16:42] The chance to be a part of. It was so spiritual. It took away my anxiety, my depression. My pain. I know it sounds like a weird thorough thing, but I honestly think that this ibogaine is going to be the answer for a lot of things. And I feel like create them in isolation are [00:17:00] brother and sister, you know, like maybe I will gains the big brother that can take care of everything, but maybe suffer a lot.

[00:17:06] So. I will get it's very expensive. It's also very hard to obtain. It's literally just check this out. It's a tree bark. They scraped the bark off of a tree and they ingest it and you get high for like three days. And the way that they found this was it's so powerful that it gets elephants high. So they found out that these elephants were all.

[00:17:28] Carl Lanore: [00:17:28] that's funny. Yeah. So it sounds to me like, well gain. So a lot of people have chronic pain. I have chronic pain. Um, a lot of people who have chronic pain, they develop Phantom pain. So you have, you have, you have Frank pain, but then you have Phantom pain because these receptors in the brain have been stimulated for so long that even if you remove the pain, Your brain still thinks the pain is there.

[00:17:53] It sounds like I will gain resets that it corrects that.

[00:17:57] Chris Bell: [00:17:57] Absolutely. I actually made a short film about [00:18:00] this. It's actually on my Instagram. If you go to app big, strong, fast, and you check, uh, I think it's like two posts ago. I literally posted on my IgE TV. It's a 15 minute short film that explains my whole experience with ibogaine.

[00:18:12] I just sent that to a lot of my friends who have. Injuries like this, you know, for one I, um, and I don't know if he'll ever try it or do it, and I don't know if it can help them or not, but I feel like it can help, like flex Wheeler. He was having a lot of fantasies

[00:18:26] Carl Lanore: [00:18:26] with his leg,

[00:18:28] Chris Bell: [00:18:28] right. And his, in his amputated leg.

[00:18:30] And I love flex Wheeler. He's. One of my idols, one of my heroes, uh, my whole, my whole life. And when I got to train at Gold's Venice and meet flex Wheeler and ha and then became friends with them and get to hang out with them. Like, I love that guy. I want to know if I can help him. I want to help him. And I would obviously never tell him anything that I think would hurt hand.

[00:18:48] So I forward him that video and I just leave it up to them. Like if you, I was in so much pain that I didn't know what to do. I heard a girl talking about ibogaine on a podcast, so I [00:19:00] sought it out. And, uh, the way that I found it, I don't know if you know who dr. Tony Huges, but dr. Tony huge is that he's a, um, sort of a YouTube steroid kind of guru.

[00:19:11] Right. And so I find a lot of things through some shady stuff. There's some shady sources, right.

[00:19:17] Carl Lanore: [00:19:17] Instead of shady fringe, fringe sources, fringe, you know?

[00:19:20] Chris Bell: [00:19:20] Yeah. I call them fringe know, I love Tony. He was like one of my. My good friends. Right. But what I'm saying is that he operates on the underground, you know, like he operates definitely like in the underground and operates, uh, with, uh, people that can get their hands on stuff that you normally can't get your hands on.

[00:19:38] The beautiful thing about ibogaine is it's a schedule, one drug. However, it's been decriminalized in Denver, in Santa Clara in Oakland. And I did it in Oakland just to be safe, you know? Um, I just, I went up to Oakland and did it in a hotel room. You know, with, with these guys that I met. And like I said, I think that we have these substances out there, [00:20:00] like cradle, like ibogaine.

[00:20:02] We have these natural sources and things that can really help people. And I think we just need to learn how to use them better and get these things to be illegal.

[00:20:10] Carl Lanore: [00:20:10] So tell me more about ibogaine. So you said it lasts three days, is it trippy? Is it like, is it mildly hallucinogenic?

[00:20:18] Chris Bell: [00:20:18] It's it takes you to a different world.

[00:20:21] Yeah. It's I like how Joe Rogan puts it with like a DMT experiences. Like it's not something that you could just dismiss. It's not something that you'll ever forget. You know, we had, um, Mark and I lost our older brother mad dog, and one of the things was, I always felt guilty about it. I always felt like maybe I could have helped him.

[00:20:41] Maybe I could have stopped this. And it's really sad that he passed away and. You know, I just always felt bad about it. I just always felt horrible about the situation. And I did this ibogaine trip and the guy that was administering the ibogaine, his name's Amin, I mean, told me, Hey, look, you're going to see your brother.

[00:21:00] [00:20:59] You know, you're going to meet up with mad dog. And when you do, you don't skip the moment, just face it, head on and deal with it and get through it and you'll be done with it. And I really didn't believe your hand. I thought like this is something that's going to always be on my mind. I'm going to cry every time I think of it.

[00:21:17] And so I had this weird meeting with mad dog, you know, obviously I know it didn't actually really happen. My brother's gone. He's not here anymore. I know it didn't happen, but it happened in my head and my brother said to me, I'm okay, I'm right where I need to be. It's fine. I, you know, my, my brother never wanted to be here.

[00:21:38] He would profess that to us every day. I don't belong here. I don't know why we're alive. I don't know the meaning of life, all these, all these things. And so when mad dog told me, Hey man, it's okay. I'm where I need to be. It just, it just took this weight off of me that had been on me for 12 years. You know, this weighing down feeling of like, Oh man, I [00:22:00] could have saved my brother.

[00:22:02] Yeah. I'm out here trying to help all these other people and save all these other people with the creative and all these other things. And, and, uh, I should have been able to help my brother and then it just did, it didn't matter anymore. Literally did not matter anymore. Not like I don't miss him anymore, but it just didn't, it didn't hurt me anymore.

[00:22:20] You know? And that I think is really just that alone. That's so important. You can't buy that, you know?

[00:22:25] Carl Lanore: [00:22:25] Did you do LSD when you were young, you are you and I are around the same age. I'm 62. How old are you now? I'm

[00:22:33] Chris Bell: [00:22:33] 48.

[00:22:33] Carl Lanore: [00:22:33] Wow. Oh shoot. I ain't going nowhere near me. So you didn't, you didn't do it. You didn't, you don't, you didn't do any acid when you were a kid.

[00:22:41] Chris Bell: [00:22:41] No, no, no, I, we, I was always, I say this in my ibogaine short film. I was always against drugs. No, no real doctor would give you this. Like why? Like these people are telling me to take this. They get no real doctors going to give you that for pain. So why would I even believe it? Right. So I always thought that like mushrooms and [00:23:00] acid and, uh, weed and everything that they were, that was for losers that works for people that.

[00:23:06] No, didn't get it. And then after I got stuck on opioids, I started opening up. Am I in some of these other things? And my, what? I heard people talking that like, Oh, marijuana is not even that dangerous here. I was drinking every day. I was drinking a gallon of vodka a day going like. Oh, look at all these losers on to read.

[00:23:23] Cause this is legal and this one isn't right. And so I was, I was held up by the, what the system tells you, you know, like you're a kid here, like this is bad, this is bad, but Hey, everybody's out at the bar drinking and everybody's smoking. I chewed tobacco for 30 years. The day after I did ibogaine, I took the.

[00:23:43] 10 of Kodiak that I'd shoot for 30 years and it was full and I threw it right in the garbage. And I said, that's the last time I ever do that. And I haven't touched that sense. And that's been six months. I think that's pretty incredible when you have a 30 year habit and you can throw it out in a day.

[00:24:01] [00:24:00] And it does that for every single type of addiction. Now, the important thing is when you do something like this, it's important to tell people like this, isn't just a cure. All you have to do some work afterwards. So after you do something like ibogaine you'll deal with it, but then you have to put in the work to consciously make sure that you're not hanging around the same people.

[00:24:23] You're not going to the same place is you're not putting yourself in these. Vulnerable positions to where somebody can creep right back into your life and right back on drugs. So you need to get sober, get clean, and then you need to work on yourself every single day. And that's what I've been doing. Um, since I've done ibogaine, you know, I've been just working on, on me.

[00:24:45] I've been, uh, you know, the other thing that's kind of amazing. Talk about bodybuilding. Anti-aging all these things. I think this is the anti-aging panacea. Like this is it. Like, there is nothing. There's no nothing that anybody could say in the anti aging [00:25:00] world that will reset your body as well as ibogaine.

[00:25:03] It literally resets everything. Like you're, you're a teenager. Again. I feel great. I did, I will gain. Yeah. Three days later I was, I went from not being, being able to barely walk. And I was still like, kind of lifting heavy, but it would we've hurt, hurt, hurt every day. And so the three days after I did ibogaine, I came in the gym and did a set of five reps with four Oh five, you know, Watts.

[00:25:28] And I felt like amazing. And for the first time, actually, Ever since I've been a kid I've never been able to squat on my mid foot, like where you're supposed to squat. I was always like leaning back or leaning too far forward because my mobility sucks. And all of a sudden I squatted right down and I was like, had perfect balance.

[00:25:45] I'm going, this is so weird. I've never had this. I had a torn rotator cuff that I couldn't barely like lift my arm. It still hurts, but I can lift. At least I can get my arm up. I had a, um, my, my knee, he was so damaged. Right. [00:26:00] You know, I had trouble walking on it, but like I said, went in three days later, started squatting, started walking five miles.

[00:26:05] That was a day through the pandemic. Every single day and night it was having trouble. Like I would go come to the door, Jen in the morning and Mark would say, Hey, let's walk around the block. And there's a one mile radius block here around super train in general. We would walk it every day. Well, by the time Mark and his other, you know, employees and friends, they'd be a hundred yards ahead of me.

[00:26:26] And it'd be, you know, six o'clock in the morning and we got the truck around it and I would literally be in tears crying, not because I was in so much pain. I was crying. Cause I couldn't do what I loved anymore. Right. Couldn't work out.

[00:26:40] Carl Lanore: [00:26:40] I couldn't,

[00:26:41] Chris Bell: [00:26:41] I couldn't walk around the block with my own brother. And now.

[00:26:45] We go on seven mile hikes. Yeah, we do. We do crazy stuff that I was never able to do before. I'm like Mark sees it and everybody else sees it. And they're like, what is going on with you? Did you just like, people think it's like, Oh, you just got in shape. That's a [00:27:00] headache. No getting in shape as part of me, but the corner, the, I do a carnival diet and it's pretty hard to just eat meat all day.

[00:27:09] But once you do ibogaine, you detach from everything. So you don't care about, like, if I got to just eat me, who cares? Right. You know, like how, how hard is it? I just heard you do in the ad for legendary foods, by the way, the pop tarts are amazing, but you know, how hard is it for us to stay away from stuff like that?

[00:27:25] If we have it around, right. You know, it's really hard, but now I can turn those things down. Maybe not a legendary pop tart, but most things I can, I can tell you

[00:27:34] Carl Lanore: [00:27:34] that you know, that, you know, not in your wheelhouse that are not good for you. You can turn down easily now. Will you do a document? Will you do a documentary about ibogaine?

[00:27:44] Chris Bell: [00:27:44] I would really want to, documentaries are all about funding and money and getting money to do stuff and, you know, being able to like afford to do it. So, yeah. Yeah. Hopefully something comes along where, what I can do that, I actually did a short film. Like I said, a 15 minute film that I just did on my [00:28:00] own.

[00:28:00] And I feel like all I really need to do is just keep adding to that. So we have a lot more people coming through. The system that I went to, the place that I went through, it's called the red pill reset because it's kind of like

[00:28:12] Carl Lanore: [00:28:12] taking the red pill, you know?

[00:28:15] Chris Bell: [00:28:15] Yeah. And so that's, uh, you know, basically the, the red pill reset there in Denver and that's the place that I went to and.

[00:28:23] They were, you know, it was, it was a great experience for me. I would recommend it to people, but I want to get some more people in there. And I want like, like I said, Hey, look, if it, if it can help somebody with Phantom pain, the best thing for that would be to help somebody with Phantom pain, get that on film and add that to the film.

[00:28:41] Right. And so if you made a movie about ibogaine, what would you want to show? Why I'd want to show somebody? First of all, we love. We'd love to see that's and we love to see them get fixed up. Right? So you get some vets with veterans, with PTSD, you help them out. You help the [00:29:00] guy that got his leg amputated out.

[00:29:01] You help the guy, um, who is just your typical drug addict out. Like you help all these people from all walks of life, men and women. And then you, I think you just fold that into, to a documentary. Like here's a bunch of stories of all these people on all these.

[00:29:17] Carl Lanore: [00:29:17] Yeah.

[00:29:17] Chris Bell: [00:29:17] Yeah. Now everybody's doing when better, and this is why.

[00:29:21] And I really think that it would end the opioid epidemic. I really do. I think it would crash the party as far as, um, the opioid scale. And I think it's, it's pretty crazy. I want to get it to Jared Kushner. I know people probably hate him, but he is actually the one.

[00:29:37] Carl Lanore: [00:29:37] Yeah, I have, I have his email address, legit.

[00:29:41] I do what

[00:29:42] Chris Bell: [00:29:42] I see. I go the other way on things like politics. It's like, if somebody is in charge of some, I want to talk to them, you know? Um, I don't care what affiliation anything is. Right? So he's in charge of the opioid epidemic and I need to talk to them about it. Like, I, I need to tell him, like this exists.

[00:29:59] You need to watch this [00:30:00] movie, whether they do anything or not. Doesn't. And matter as much to me is like letting people know about it. Cause eventually spread,

[00:30:08] Carl Lanore: [00:30:08] you know, let's take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, I want to talk more about the documentary and what has happened after the documentary two years later, whereas Kratom and we already have people saying how much they love crate them and what, how it changed their lives.

[00:30:22] We're talking with Chris bell. We're going to take one quick commercial break, stay tuned.

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[00:30:40] Chris Bell: [00:30:40] welcome

[00:30:41] Carl Lanore: [00:30:41] back. Welcome back. We're talking to Chris bell. We're talking now, we're going to talk about the aftermath of the documentary. So sure it was 2018 that you released leap of faith. What has changed in the area of, cause I know the government tried to outlaw it, that some state that tried to outlaw it and it's all [00:31:00] because of the pressure of big pharma, they don't like losing opioid customers.

[00:31:03] Let's be honest.

[00:31:05] Chris Bell: [00:31:05] Yeah. I think, um, the first thing that happened actually happened within the movie. So. I was making this film. And while I was making the film, it got to be real. Like things got to be really serious. Like we were thought, okay, we're going to make this movie and then it'll be come out. And that'll sort of spark.

[00:31:23] He pulled her like, you know, get on the bandwagon, like help me keep it legal. But right in the middle of making the movie was, you know, three quarters of it. Uh, basically somebody tells me like, Hey, they're going to make enemy illegal next week. They're going to vote on it. They, you know, they put up this website, they put up this thing.

[00:31:44] Um, they're gonna take it comments from, from people and they're going to consent to those comments. And so I just thought like right away, well, if I want to get people to go on this website and comment. What's the best way to do that. Like what [00:32:00] tools do I have to get a lot of people to make a move? And the only thing I could think of was Joe Rogan.

[00:32:06] And I had been on Joe Rogan's podcast, uh, two other times for my other films, bigger, stronger, faster, and prescription thugs, which actually both available for free on YouTube. Now, if people haven't seen those, so I then on Joe Rogan before I just decided, you know what, I'm just going to take a chance. I don't.

[00:32:23] Hit him up too often. And I had just seen him the week before, because it was like the night. Yeah, it was fight Conor McGregor fights. I've seen him in Vegas and said hi to him and stuff. So I felt like, Oh cool. I'll text Joe. And I said, Hey man. Like, they're going to make, pray to me illegal, and I'm really worried about it and that this is going down and I'd love to come on your side contests and talk about it.

[00:32:44] And, or maybe you can mention it. And there's a petition trying to throw out anything like easily

[00:32:51] Carl Lanore: [00:32:51] give them a lot of alcohol, a lot of options,

[00:32:53] Chris Bell: [00:32:53] give him a lot, give him a lot of options, even give him some outs, you know? And he just said, come on in, come in tomorrow. He's like, [00:33:00] I got to fit you in after this other podcast.

[00:33:03] Um, but I can talk to you for like, at least an hour. And he gave me 90 minutes, you know, and that 90 minute podcast had a lot of listeners. And so the, the, you know, the DEA was saying, listen, if you guys can get over a 10,000 signatures or 10,000 comments from create them users, we will stop the ban. And we will, we will read all the comments and we'll consider them.

[00:33:28] That's sorta like the way that they operate, right. If they get enough complaints, they'll consider it. Well, instead of getting 10,000, we were already at 7,000, but instead of getting, you know, 3000 more, we got 23,000 more by just going on Joe Rogan. And so that next day they were flooded, they had over 30,000 comments.

[00:33:46] And so I called them the DEA and spoke to them. And the guy was just kind of like, you got us, you know, like he, he was cool actually. He's like, yeah, man, we got flooded with so many comments that we just had to stop the band. So [00:34:00] that, that was the first thing is like, we halted a band, we stopped it from being banned.

[00:34:04] And then since then they've been trying to stop it a lot, but even more recently as you know, uh, yeah. Yeah. I just saw a TV ad for the very first time. Very first ad I ever saw for the American Kratom association. And, you know, when I made the movie, we were working alongside the American creative association.

[00:34:27] I'd be very, I'm always very careful to not get involved because I want to kind of not be biased. Right. Or couldn't really team up with the American creative association and be like, Hey, yeah, you're going to be all on this one side because they might have some agenda that would. Prevent me from warning people and other dangers or other things with it.

[00:34:47] So I never really want to get too attached to anybody, but they were, um, I would say they were like ally during the making of the movie. They want, they had the same goals as I did, you know, they wanted to see this be illegal and something be used more, [00:35:00] but I was actually really happy and proud. To see an actual television commercial on yesterday, it was with a veteran and he was like running and he was saying, they look, I, you know, I was in so much pain.

[00:35:10] When I came back from my deployment. I started taking this crate and powder. It's been working great and it's really helped me and they don't specify a brand or anything. It's just very plain and just that awareness. So the awareness of somebody watching that commercial, wait, what is that green powder that that guy has taken?

[00:35:28] How's it killing us pain. It all, it don't make them look good. You know, it'll bring more light to this, just state that, you know, look, I mean, we are, we are, you have the options of Advil and Tylenol. Those things work they're effective. But they do have side effects and you know, side effects is actually just a nice term for toxins

[00:35:48] Carl Lanore: [00:35:48] toxic.

[00:35:49] Right?

[00:35:49] Chris Bell: [00:35:49] That's what people think. Why, what are the side effects? That's that's a word that big pharma made up. So you don't say, what are the dates, indications on it? [00:36:00] You know what I mean? What are the side effects really ask that with natural stuff, because natural stuff doesn't really work like that. You know, like, it's not like, Oh, it's true reading this and it does this really weird other thing, you know?

[00:36:12] So, um, so yeah, I mean, I think like, Since the, um, the film, I think the aftermath has been, you know, we've seen a lot more Creighton products on the market. We've seen a lot more, more people pushing it, but the problem still is the fact that you can't even order create them with a credit card makes it very difficult.

[00:36:33] Like they basically just do everything in their power so that you don't do this.

[00:36:38] Carl Lanore: [00:36:38] Well, I heard, I heard, they heard that they're trying to mandate a new standardization. Process. So there are two naturally occurring alkaloids in create them that are responsible for a lot of its analgesic effects. And they're trying to say, one of them has to be below a certain threshold, which is virtually impossible.

[00:36:59] It's [00:37:00] like saying we want, we will outlaw any grape. That's used to make wine. If it has more than four. 10% tannins. Like you can't grow a grape with 10% tannins. It's not a grape anymore. So it's, aren't they trying to mandate some squirrely like standardization process

[00:37:18] Chris Bell: [00:37:18] there is, and that's, that's a catch 22, right?

[00:37:21] Because if you take, so there's, there's two alkaloids that are really powerful in it. There's a tragedy. And then there's, um, seven hydroxy, my tragedy, right? If you just took them a tragedy out in isolated, it, you would probably have a pretty strong non-addictive non, deadly opioid, right? One of the best things we could possibly create.

[00:37:47] And it's actually pretty easy. All they got to do is extract that one alkaloid now, because like we've said, talked about with other alkaloids and other plants, you still might get the same problem. There might be side effects to that. We [00:38:00] don't know yet. We'd have to take that out and do all the testing on it.

[00:38:03] And. Are the side effects worth it, you know, are the other effects worth it? If it does have that, but the seven hydroxymitragynine is in such a smaller in cradle. It comes through the drying process of it. So when they, they take the leaves and they dry him, it forms a seven hydroxymitragynine. That's actually effective for pain also.

[00:38:25] But. Not necessarily as effective as tragedy and as far as they know, and that part of it is also could be addictive. Right. And that's still kind of up for debate. I think they say that the seven drugs, human tragedy is addictive. But it's in such a small amount that when you take a normal dose of crane, you won't get addicted.

[00:38:46] And that's why I think we do that. You see more of a dependence, which could be an addiction at a higher level. Right. It sort of makes sense. Yeah. It like almonds or low carb kind of, but if you eat a thousand of them, they're not low carb anymore, [00:39:00] because now you've assume, you know, a hundred grams of carbs from almonds.

[00:39:04] Right. Because they're pretty low carb in general, if you have a handful, but not if you have a bag full right. And I think it's kind of the same thing with these alkaloids in the, in the crate. I'm like where this is alkaloid that could possibly be addictive or maybe it is addictive or habit forming or whatever you want to call.

[00:39:21] It is in such a small amount. But the law States that if we now take these things and separate them out, we've now adult adulterated, the plant and that's illegal. Right? So you can either freedom as is. Or you can pull the one ingredient out. Now it's an adulterated plant and you have to do, what's called an NDI.

[00:39:43] And those NDI guys that had been put through, basically, here's the deal. Nobody where any real money has come through the, create them business and said, if somebody came through, I want to put millions into this, I'm going to hide this. It would get done. It would just happen. [00:40:00] With all the lobbies and all the P like you just, so you have to pay people off and no, one's come along with deep enough pockets or like a, you know, if one of these huge supplement companies came along and did that, that'd be great.

[00:40:11] But the problem is now they're just paving the way because you can't really patent it or anything. Billions of dollars are just paving the way for somebody else to just. Throw it in their product, you know, so,

[00:40:21] Carl Lanore: [00:40:21] and let, and let's be honest. The big pharma, big pharma knows this and big pharma is going to synthesize that.

[00:40:29] And they're going to change one aspect of the molecule. And they're going to patent it while they

[00:40:34] Chris Bell: [00:40:34] they've already done that. They have, you know, they've already done that. They do have products. Yeah. They do have some products coming up that are, create them based, you know, based on the metrology meme and based on stuff like that,

[00:40:43] Carl Lanore: [00:40:43] what's the deal.

[00:40:44] Chris Bell: [00:40:44] And that's how they get away with it. These laws or these laws aren't to protect people. They're typically tech, big pharma, big pharma. People need to realize this. The government is only in business to protect their own businesses and they protect big pharma because if they [00:41:00] don't protect, you know, that's the biggest campaign contributor.

[00:41:03] So they protect those things with these weird roundabout laws that don't make much sense. That's

[00:41:08] Carl Lanore: [00:41:08] right. So I hear a lot of discussion about different strains. Red mung da, I don't even know the names. I mean, I'm just reaching right. There's red, there's white, there's green, and they all supposedly have different attributes.

[00:41:24] Some are better for analgesics, uh, affects some of better for the brain. Uh, you know, cognitive negative effects. Is that, is that true on all these different species or strange, really legitimately different than others?

[00:41:39] Chris Bell: [00:41:39] They are different, but they're different in ways that don't matter all that much. So like, you know, when, you know, you have like the manga train, for example, to me.

[00:41:50] Um, so I, I, you know, I worked, when I did the movie, I worked for this company, urban ice, and I had several different strains of, of crate. And I tried [00:42:00] all of them, you know, and the only one that really would work for me would be the manga strain. So. I don't know if they're different. I don't know if it was with me.

[00:42:09] It was mental, but I feel like the main one was the best one. And here's how they differ. They have different varying amounts of alkaloids, but first of all, we don't have a whole lot of science on what all these alkaloids do. There's like 47 of them in there. So I said, there's two that are really highly effective, but there's 47 other things in that we're doing, or maybe more possibly up to 60 that are doing other things, right.

[00:42:33] That have other attributes to them. So while the strains don't necessarily like, so here's how you get different strains, they're grown and dried in different areas. So that's what the strains are. Like. The difference in strains is like, was it grown? And, you know, um, Thailand or was it growing? You know, wherever, wherever they're growing, it's all like Malaysia, all that kind of stuff.

[00:42:57] So what, where was it grown in the country? [00:43:00] You know, what country was it grown in? How was it dried? How was it taken care of? And that's really, the difference is like they varied in alkaloids, but they're kind of all going to do the same thing. So some people say, Oh, this one's good for, you know, uh, and take this one.

[00:43:13] It's good for depression and anxiety. But if you take this one, it's good for pain, you know? And in my opinion, they all kind of work for all the same thing. But I, I personally think that mine was the best one and manga was the only one I ever used. So when Mark came to me and said, Hey, listen, you know, a lot about cranium, we want to develop a creative product.

[00:43:39] What should I create a product? B, should it be a mixture of all these strains? Should it be this, should it be that like, we've talked about everything up and down inside now and Mark society. Let's just go with what you use, man. Like you, you had, he just takes me as an example and says like, you've completely changed your life around, you know, you've come off of [00:44:00] drugs.

[00:44:00] You look great. You've been training hard. This gives you focus and energy. And it's the one that Mark says. I really liked this too. I like the way I feel when I first gave it to Mark, I was worried. Yeah, because I'm, I'm the brother who was a drug addict and I don't want to break. And I have a ton of respect for Mark.

[00:44:18] I don't want to bring him something that would bring him down. You know, I don't want to put breaking something that would make him a loser. So I'm like, Hey, you know, I want you to try this. I want you to see how it feels. And when Mark tried it and Mark's like, man, this is amazing. This lights, my brain on fire.

[00:44:32] This just makes me think, you know, owning Slingshot and having podcasts and videos. And he's gotta do every day. He's like, this just makes me, I think in machine, you know, and he really liked the way it made him feel. So we just all agreed that, you know, the Mendez stream was the best one. For us that we liked.

[00:44:51] And that's the one that we rolled with for using, for mind bullet, you know? And, um, it's as simple as that, it's just what we prefer. I don't think there's

[00:44:59] Carl Lanore: [00:44:59] that [00:45:00] because I've taken a couple of different, uh, I used to buy that old PMs because it was organic. I figured. Okay. It's organic. And the, and it was good, but not like mine.

[00:45:11] Bullet is mind. Bullet really does have more of a. A brain effect. In my opinion, it has more of a, a stimulatory effect where the other of the other crate that I've done in the past, it made me mellow. Like it made me like chill, but mind bullet makes me feel like going to the gym and training. It makes you feel like you said it makes you sharp.

[00:45:34] And by the way, full disclosure, mind bullet is a. A sponsor of the show and our audience gets a very, very deep discount of 20%. You can't find that any place else. Uh, if you go to the, uh, URL, SHR network.biz/mind bullet, uh, you'll save 20% off. Give it a try, everybody. Who's tried it. My son, my son is the one he lived in California.

[00:45:57] He turned me on when I hurt my, when I had my [00:46:00] second surgery on my foot, I couldn't walk. And I was so depressed. I was out in California working with the guys at quest on a project. And my son said, dad, yeah, just try this. Just take two grams of this. And it was that old PMs stuff. And we went and we walked, like I had that's when I used to wear a tracker, we walked like 17 miles through North Dakota, Hollywood that night I said to chase, I have no pain.

[00:46:25] I can't believe it. It was like a miraculous, it was like a spontaneous. Mind bullet gives me more of a happy feeling in my head. You know, like your brother, your brother, your brother likes to say, uh, you feel like you just got a big hug, you know what I mean?

[00:46:42] Chris Bell: [00:46:42] Yeah. Yeah. And you know, so I'll tell you this.

[00:46:45] Um, and I get this a lot still, even after doing ibogaine and everything I've been there. If I go with Mark Marcus, um, He just got a place in Tahoe. Right. And there's all these great, great trails. There are hiking trails. And I just went with [00:47:00] him on a hike and just got completely destroyed. You know, like my hips hurt back her, it just gets achy.

[00:47:06] You know, it's like I'm out there for a long time. And even though I did ibogaine and a reset, all these pain receptors, that's great, but I can still get achy. I mean, we're all human, right? So you still will get pain after doing something grueling. And so I did that. I was all achy. I came back and I took, um, a couple of mind bullet, just a normal dose of mind, bullet boom.

[00:47:28] Throw him down about an hour later. I was like, ready to go back out again.

[00:47:34] Carl Lanore: [00:47:34] Crazy. Right.

[00:47:35] Chris Bell: [00:47:35] Well, I, I didn't, I didn't, but I felt like I could, to me, that's. That's just a great thing to have pain all your life and have something that actually is effective. And, you know, I just say to people just like you said, just give it a shot and see if it's effective.

[00:47:51] And if it's not like you're going to know this is different than CBD where people say, Hey, just take it. And then

[00:47:57] Carl Lanore: [00:47:57] I don't know if it's working. Yeah. You don't even know if it's working. [00:48:00] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:00] Chris Bell: [00:48:00] You just did an entire bottle of it. Right. And, and then. People go well, just try another bottle. Look, man. With mind bullet, if you don't know, by the first two, three times that you took it, if it did anything, then you're not, you know, if you,

[00:48:15] Carl Lanore: [00:48:15] if you buy the, if you buy the jar at the, I think it's one and a quarter grams per cap, you take two of those caps.

[00:48:24] You will know. Within minutes, I would say within 20 to 30 minutes, you'll feel it. Come on. And the first thing you notice is you just feel really like up, like, not like, not even like a cup of coffee up, just a code, totally different dopamine up. And then. The pain goes away and you just feel good. You'll know after the first dose and you won't get addicted to it.

[00:48:49] You know, if you, if you work your way through a bottle, it felt like, Oh, now I'm addicted to it. You just take days off. Don't use it every day. That's all simple. And I

[00:48:57] Chris Bell: [00:48:57] tell people that all the time, like use it when you need it. I [00:49:00] think a lot of us feel like we need something maybe every single day. And I think if they need something every single day, maybe you need to take a look at your life and maybe it's not.

[00:49:09] Your fault, but maybe you're under too much, too much stress. Maybe you're trying to do too much. So maybe you can peel back, but you shouldn't, we shouldn't ever look to anything as like the only answer, like if you need a pill, if you need something to get through the day, you need to, you need to ask other questions, but something like that, this could be very, very helpful to you if you're already pretty productive and you're just having a hard time keeping up.

[00:49:35] You know, so I would say don't rely on stuff, but utilize stuff to your advantage. You know?

[00:49:41] Carl Lanore: [00:49:41] So talk about that. I want to talk about what you just talked about. I'm one of those guys, like I gotta, like, I either have to be taking a peptide or taking a pill or I'm one of those guys and I've actually had to change.

[00:49:54] And actually Ron Penna, uh, has helped me change because Ron [00:50:00] doesn't take anything. Like he won't take anything. He doesn't take vitamin C doesn't take anything. And so he's given me a perspective on myself without realizing it. I want to talk about that because I definitely have an addictive personality.

[00:50:12] I did a lot of drugs when I was a kid. I never injected drugs, but I snorted plenty of heroin. I just, I drew the line on shooting it. That's where I drew the line. Let's let's talk about that. On the other side, maybe we could help some people stay tuned. We'll be right back. You are listening to the superhuman channel.

[00:50:29] We're ripped and we're ready.

[00:50:39] Chris Bell: [00:50:39] welcome

[00:50:39] Carl Lanore: [00:50:39] back. We're talking with Chris bell. We were talking about his movie, his documentary, a leap of faith, which positions Kratom. Uh, in a very favorable light because not only does it help, uh, people addicted to opioids, find an alternative. That's definitely safer, uh, does less harm. We're talking about harm reduction when we talk about [00:51:00] these types of things.

[00:51:01] Um, but you know, of course the big pharma wants to squash it. They don't want to lose opioid customers. So I want to talk about something that you were saying a second ago, cause I'm one of those guys and I've recently changed part of. Giving up caffeine was this re this recognition in myself that I have a very addictive personality and I feel like I should be taking something.

[00:51:23] And part of this came from back in the day, a powerlifting bodybuilding, you know, take my, take his supplements, eating every three hours, taking shots, you know, so it really is an amazing thing because I found that. The, um, it's sometimes I know this for fact, addiction has an interesting component that has nothing to do with the biological changes in the brain.

[00:51:47] When heroin addicts start to think about copping, about going and getting drugs, the effects of the heroin already show up their brain starts lighting up. Just the thought that they're going to go get it. [00:52:00] And I think that some of us. We suffer from that with whether it's, you know, Oh, I've got to take my vitamin C.

[00:52:07] Now I gotta shoot my peptide. Now I gotta take this supplement. What do you think about that?

[00:52:12] Chris Bell: [00:52:12] I think you're right. I think, uh, I think I suffered from that too a lot, you know, before I did the ibogaine, I feel like you just become attached to things. They become part of your persona. Um, if your pursuit is to get big, you're going to take whatever you need to take to get big, right?

[00:52:28] If your pursuits get ripped. You're going to do what it takes to get ripped. Right. And you're just going to, it's going to keep doing that. So I think we just fall into these habits and anybody that knows anything about addiction knows that all addiction is, are these neuro-pathways in our brain. Right.

[00:52:44] And so we just keep going over. It's like, um, how do you make a trail? You just keep walking down. You keep walking through the woods. Well, how do you make a trail though? Well, you walk through the woods in the same way. And it's kind of the same thing is that you'll, you know, you continue to make these [00:53:00] paths and you'll continue to go down the same paths because they're easier to go down and they're fun to go down and you like them.

[00:53:07] And we have to like, sort of now when we get older and realize like, Hey, I'm not in the drugs anymore. We've got to go and cover those paths up. And the only way to cover those paths is a change direction and change focus. And a lot of times, the only way to do that is to make some sort of, um, major reform or major change.

[00:53:27] Like you said, it wasn't easy to get off caffeine. You had to do work, you know, to get off of it. So I think we need to realize that, and then we need to figure it out. Like what's the work we need to do. To get off of this. And I just want to let people know that like you can literally detach from anything.

[00:53:41] So anything that people think that they can't break as far as a habit or whatever, um, can be broken. You just have to figure out how to do it, you know,

[00:53:51] Carl Lanore: [00:53:51] and you gotta be willing to do the hard work. It is hard work and a lot of people, most of us go, I know I can kick it. I'll kick it tomorrow. And [00:54:00] we literally kick the can down the road.

[00:54:02] Chris Bell: [00:54:02] Yeah. Every day, he just keeps saying, I'll do it tomorrow. And then, you know, you just ended up in that same boat and you feel like a loser too. And I think that's actually bad for your psyche because there's so many times when I said like, well, I'm going to, I'll just fix it like next week. And then the next week comes around.

[00:54:18] I haven't fixed it. And then that just makes me disappointed in myself. I feel like a loser, like I didn't accomplish something. And so that's puts you also in a very negative space. As well, you know,

[00:54:29] Carl Lanore: [00:54:29] Hey, listen, I want to thank you so much for being on the show today. Again, to the fans of Superman radio, a mind bullet is a legit Kratom product.

[00:54:39] If you want to try Kratom, or if you use it now, give it a try. Go to SHR network.biz/mind bullet all one word lower case. Save 20% off and keep me posted on your next documentary. I'd love to help. You know, anyway.

[00:54:59] Chris Bell: [00:54:59] Yeah. I'll tell you [00:55:00] what, I've been up to a really quick, I've been working on a film.

[00:55:03] Actually. I was just at certified Piedmontese. Which I just heard a commercial for it on your own. I kinda think I was just there because working with them and other people on doing, hopefully doing a film about, you know, red meat and sort of how we need to get red meat back and forth diet and the anti, I wouldn't say anti beacon movie, I would say the opposite of veganism.

[00:55:27] Like what's the opposite of veganism is a meat, heavy protein, heavy diet. That's what we all kind of live by and abide by. And I think a lot of us are a lot healthier than people in the other community. So I just want to sort of show that and, uh, put that out as a, as a film as well.

[00:55:43] Carl Lanore: [00:55:43] So just this morning I had a fleeting thought, okay.

[00:55:48] Like I'm always thinking about random stuff that just passes through my head. And I thought, you know, the vegans love to say that the vegan diet is. The ideal human diet. And I always, I always see different [00:56:00] holes in that theory. And one of the holes I just realized this morning was collagen. There are no plant-based colleges and collagen.

[00:56:08] Collagen is a critical, critically important protein in our diet without collagen. Uh, we would literally start to fall apart because soft tissue would be sacrificed for its amino acids. For other bodily functions and you can't get collagen from kale, you could only get collagen from other eating other animals.

[00:56:29] So that's yet another hole in the theory that the, the, the vegan diet is the perfect human diet. It's just not.

[00:56:37] Chris Bell: [00:56:37] Yeah, there's a, there's a lot. There's just a lot of them. I think one of the biggest holes that people don't realize that you realize as soon as you step onto a farm is that you don't know what you're talking about when you step on a farm and you realize that only 4% of the planet is optimal for crops for growing crops.

[00:56:55] But what do we do with the rest of the planet? Just throw it out, throw it in the garbage. Well, no. All [00:57:00] that area where, where cows are facing cannot be used to grow crops,

[00:57:07] Carl Lanore: [00:57:07] not

[00:57:07] Chris Bell: [00:57:07] arable land. And there's a lot of arrow there. There's a lot of grasslands. Where cows and other room and the animals can take these grosses that nothing else can do anything.

[00:57:19] I just was on an 8,800 acre farm. That is a hundred acre. Farm is completely 100% useless for growing anything. There's a garden on that farm, the garden all died. You know, um, it has then replanted several times to get the garden to take even so, and that quit telling all the soil and put it bringing in new soil and all these things.

[00:57:42] So it's just like, It just doesn't work, you know, so we need to look at these things and we need to make, I need to put it in a film, a digestible form, kind of, you know, you know, an hour and 30 minutes where people can just flip, sorta focus on the facts and focus on what, you know, what this [00:58:00] diet, what, what our diet should be and how we can again, reduce harm for the planet and reduce harm for people.

[00:58:08] Carl Lanore: [00:58:08] Yeah, I know cows cows will use a Hill, a farmer can't plant on L a brave new order. Films has been staying with us for the entire show. I don't know if you know who he is. Uh, he said creative help cure him of alcohol dependency. After going through a divorce, seven years later, happily remarried chef amateur, video editor running four to 10 miles and working out after a 4:00 AM rise.

[00:58:33] So it obviously helped him get off alcohol. Yeah.

[00:58:37] Chris Bell: [00:58:37] That's that's my kind of guy. He's a filmmaker, former addict. He uses cradle. I get up at four in the morning, loves to cook. I love that. Okay.

[00:58:45] Carl Lanore: [00:58:45] Well, there you go. Maybe you made a connection. Listen, Chris, thanks a lot. We'll definitely have you back on, right?

[00:58:50] Okay.

[00:58:51] Chris Bell: [00:58:51] Absolutely, man, anytime, let me know.

[00:58:53] Carl Lanore: [00:58:53] I take care of say hello to your brother, Mark for me. See you later.

[00:58:56] Chris Bell: [00:58:56] I will. For sure.

[00:58:58] Carl Lanore: [00:58:58] All right, we're going to take one quick commercial break. [00:59:00] When we come back, we're going to talk about. I'm baffled. I gotta be honest with you. I'm baffled. I'll tell you why I'm baffled because we're giving away a $5,799 far infrared three person sauna with a ridiculously small footprint that'll fit in an apartment.

[00:59:22] And I can't believe that we haven't been run over with entry form. So we're going to talk about that today. Only your odds are one in 300. We're one. Once we hit 300, we are pulling the plug in and picking a winner. It could be you, you could have a brand new sauna in your home next week. Stay tuned to learn more.

[00:59:44] I promise this is one supplement that delivers spit that out right now. This is the superhuman channel. Welcome back to super yum radio. We're joined by Eric  [01:00:00] and he is with good health Sada. How you doing Eric?

[01:00:04] Chris Bell: [01:00:04] I'm doing very well. Carl, thanks for having me. I always enjoy doing your podcast and I feel honored that you have me on your podcast and feel honored to follow Chris bell.

[01:00:13] Who is, he was a little, I followed him for a long time. Uh he's he's very interesting. Very knowledgeable guy. Yeah.

[01:00:20] Carl Lanore: [01:00:20] Yeah. He's a great guy. The bell brothers in general, the whole family is great. Um, so interestingly enough, we started to announce, uh, enter to win. A $5,799, three person corner unit. It takes up less space.

[01:00:39] So you can fit into a model I have in my house. Okay. Probably fit it in, in a, in right in your bedroom. If you want to far infrared sauna, the best far infrared sauna made no toxic materials, uh, ultra low, close to zero EMF production. This is the best customer service in the world. We got, [01:01:00] um, close to 17,000 clicks, but not nearly as many entries.

[01:01:07] And I said to Natalie, Natalie's my director of communications, social media, like. I don't get it. People love free stuff what's going on. And so I figured let's do a segment here and tell people what this is all about. First of all, if you've been living under a rock, you don't know, maybe that sauna is one of the best things you can do.

[01:01:27] And not everybody has access to a sauna. They may be that Jim doesn't have a lot of gyms. Don't have saunas because they don't want the liability of somebody in the sauna, slipping and falling or something like that on a puddle of sweat. And so. Having your own sauna at home is amazing sauna. There is evidence studies that show that a sauna confers almost all the same benefits as doing cardio for your heart, for your lungs, for your brain, everything.

[01:01:55] And it's like, sauna is amazing. There's even evidence out there that [01:02:00] raising your body temperature on a regular basis can reduces your risk of developing cancers.

[01:02:05] Chris Bell: [01:02:05] Yes, absolutely. Um, it's something that when you use it, you feel, you feel different, you feel better. You notice a difference. It's not like taking a supplement that, you know, well, people tell me that it's good for me.

[01:02:21] No, you, you immediately feel better while you're using it. And when you're done using it all day and, um, It kind of baffles me a little bit too at there at the home shows and stuff. When we're selling the saunas, when people, well, when people walk by the booth and they have zero interest, well, it's like if they knew what this would do for you and the benefits.

[01:02:46] You should be running to the booth,

[01:02:48] Carl Lanore: [01:02:48] right. To buy one. Right. They should put like, like that, like they should put one in every house. When you think about it, because of the benefits. And I get right out of my sauna and I jump in an ice cold shower and you're [01:03:00] right. I I'm, I feel revived. I feel renewed. I feel refreshed.

[01:03:03] I feel amazing.

[01:03:06] Chris Bell: [01:03:06] I've been sweating every single morning in a sauna for the past five to six years. It's okay. First thing I do when I wake up, I use the preset timer, so my son has all warmed up. And even when I'm traveling and I'm on the road, I find a gym where I can show up and give them. 10 $20 to let me in there.

[01:03:26] I'll get a little workout in, but I'll use the sauna just because it's,

[01:03:30] Carl Lanore: [01:03:30] it's almost a call

[01:03:32] Chris Bell: [01:03:32] I performance enhancing drug. It puts me in a flow state. It makes me feel good. And when you feel better, you, you operate at a higher level. And so it. I maybe missed five times, five days out of the last year from using a sauna and first thing in the morning.

[01:03:50] Carl Lanore: [01:03:50] So tell the audience exactly what this sauna is like if it's a corner unit. So that means that it takes a much smaller [01:04:00] footprint than even a side by side two men unit.

[01:04:01] Chris Bell: [01:04:01] Right? Yes, it's five. So if you measure it off the corner, it's five feet off the corner in both directions. And then it's 75 inches tall.

[01:04:12] So. It breaks apart in different panels. So it's not like you're bringing in a sauna through the doorway. You're, you're bringing it inside the house one panel at a time and you just start by putting the floor down first. Everything's all the heaters, all the electrical that's already installed. You don't have to do anything.

[01:04:30] Like you have to put any of that together. And then you just bring in each wall, which is a panel and there's, let's see on a corner unit. There's seven panels, you know, there's, there's

[01:04:42] Carl Lanore: [01:04:42] five walls, the top and a bottom and a couple of short ones. A couple of long ones. Yes. Yeah,

[01:04:47] Chris Bell: [01:04:47] yeah, exactly. And you just snap it off together on the outside and all the, all the electrical just plugs all in on the top of the sauna.

[01:04:55] So. It takes about 45 minutes to put this thing together, [01:05:00] but then you got a, uh, a machine in your house that will literally puts you in a better mood immediately after using it.

[01:05:07] Carl Lanore: [01:05:07] So I call it a hack. Do you need, uh, do you need, uh, any kind of special, uh, electrical outlet to hook this up or just plugged into the regular wall unit?

[01:05:17] It it's plugs into a regular wall

[01:05:18] Chris Bell: [01:05:18] unit. All of the saunas take 110 volt circuit. Our small ones take a 15 amp outlet, which is everybody has every outlet is at least 15. Yeah. The corner unit specifically is 20 amp outlet, which just has a little it's if you Google it, it's got a little T. At the top of it, but it's the same thing.

[01:05:39] If pondering 10 as normal, if most people have a 20 amp outlet in their house, in the basement and the bathroom, stuff like that. But if you didn't have one of those outlets, it's pretty simple fix you. Customers usually just have to swap that outlet and you're good to go.

[01:05:54] Carl Lanore: [01:05:54] It's the most part is that the outlet that has to be swapped or the breaker.

[01:05:58] Both. Okay. [01:06:00] Okay.

[01:06:00] Chris Bell: [01:06:00] As long as, as long as their house is newer, but it's usually, and a lot of people put these in an unfinished basement, close to the circuit breaker box and stuff like that. So it's usually not a big deal unless you got a really

[01:06:12] Carl Lanore: [01:06:12] old house, you could fit this in an apartment. You could put this into the corner of a room in the apartment.

[01:06:17] If you want to tell him.

[01:06:18] Chris Bell: [01:06:18] Oh, yeah. We put them in an apartments all the time

[01:06:20] Carl Lanore: [01:06:20] condo with all the time. Yeah. You can

[01:06:23] Chris Bell: [01:06:23] put it anywhere inside the house. The only place we don't recommend, we don't want you to put it in as outside because these are not built to be out outside. Right.

[01:06:32] Carl Lanore: [01:06:32] Um, yeah.

[01:06:33] Chris Bell: [01:06:33] So, but other than that, anywhere in the house, it was good to go and we've and if you go to our good health saunas interest app, or Instagram, Instagram, Facebook apps,

[01:06:43] Carl Lanore: [01:06:43] We

[01:06:44] Chris Bell: [01:06:44] are constantly updating it with pictures of home deliveries of our saunas into people's houses.

[01:06:51] So you can, if you, if you don't know where, where you want to put it, go to those pages and just look and see where all these people put these and [01:07:00] you'll see every room in the house gets we've had kitchen. We've had, um, living rooms. We've had walkways everything,

[01:07:09] Carl Lanore: [01:07:09] right. And this was legitimately a 57 99 unit.

[01:07:14] This is shipped to them and everything. That's all included in the, in for the winter, right?

[01:07:19] Chris Bell: [01:07:19] Yup. Yeah. Free delivery, uh,

[01:07:22] Carl Lanore: [01:07:22] shipped wherever you want.

[01:07:24] Chris Bell: [01:07:24] It's

[01:07:24] Carl Lanore: [01:07:24] a

[01:07:25] Chris Bell: [01:07:25] fully loaded, every feature that we offer is in the sauna. So it's got the stereo capabilities, uh, am FM radio with two built in speakers, uh, chromotherapy Moonlight.

[01:07:37] Which is in the ceiling. So you have a mood lighting, it's got the ionizer and ozone ator, which helped keep the sauna clean. Um, and then it's got the carbon fiber liters plus storm heaters, and it's it's full spectrum. So near mid and far infrared, and that's got timers program. You can program the control panel.

[01:07:57] It's it's it's. Our most [01:08:00] desired unit that we sell and we're giving it away for free.

[01:08:03] Carl Lanore: [01:08:03] So cool. So we agreed that to make it easy to win. Once we had 300 people sign up, we were going to stop. So, yeah, the reality is that we have just, we have enough room for another a hundred people to sign up. And as soon as those a hundred people sign up, we're going to pull a name and give the sauna away and we'll do it on the show live.

[01:08:28] And we'll also email that person. Yeah. If you want to enter, this is a great time to enter SHR network.biz/free sauna, free sauna, all one word, all lowercase enter today. Don't wait too long because. Once we get to 300, we're taking the banner down and we're going to pick a name and some lucky person probably next week.

[01:08:50] Now that we're doing this segment dedicated to this probably next week, some winner is going to be announced and is going to have a new sauna coming to their home. I mean, it doesn't get [01:09:00] better than that free it's free, but free is great.

[01:09:04] Chris Bell: [01:09:04] And the cost and the winner gets our lifetime warranty free. That comes with it.

[01:09:09] So if thing up or happens, you know, our customer service is top notch and we'll take care of you. We don't charge for any type of warranty stuff. So you get the lifetime warranty as well.

[01:09:19] Carl Lanore: [01:09:19] So get on this, tell your friends, tell your family there's enough room for 100, I think 101 people to still sign up and then that's it.

[01:09:29] We're going to announce the winner next week. So please be one of those entries so that you may be the name. That we call out next week on the show. Hi Eric. That's what we want them to do today. I just want they get that medicine. Um, yeah. Now I want to thank you so much for coming on the show today, brother.

[01:09:47] Chris Bell: [01:09:47] Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me, Carla. I really appreciate it.

[01:09:50] Carl Lanore: [01:09:50] We'll talk. We'll talk soon. We'll talk soon. Sounds good. Hi, thank you so much. But today we have a really good show tomorrow. Let me tell you what it is. Cause [01:10:00] I just looked at it and I was like, Oh wow, that's excellent Holland. Um, Tomorrow's show

[01:10:09] fructose and glucose and high fructose corn syrup deliver a one, two punch to health. We continue to discuss high fructose corn syrup. It's bad stuff. And new research shows why it's bad. So I'm going to talk about that tomorrow. You notice you don't see high fructose corn syrup on labels anymore. Is it gone?

[01:10:29] No. The FDA allowed the corn refiners they got potentially, and by the corn refiners association, to be able to use one of three different names, glucose syrup, fructose glucose syrup, uh, and through the others that I can't remember that Elisa knows. So high fructose corn syrup is still in food. You just don't know it's in there anymore because the FDA allows companies to be sneaky, to continue to poison you.

[01:10:57] Think about that? Think about what that says [01:11:00] about the FDA. Okay. Don't forget. Check out mind bullet. Excuse me. Uh, I want to get their link up here for 20% off. Go to SHR network.biz/mind bullet. And of course, don't wait. Go now to enter to win an almost $6,000 three person. Small footprint, sauna of your own.

[01:11:28] Go to SHR network.biz/free sauna. That's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you for watching and listening. Take care. [01:12:00] .