[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey. Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is October 8th, 2020. We have a great show planned for you today. We're going to talk about high fructose corn syrup. I know you're thinking to yourself, but Carl, we don't have to talk about that anymore. It's not in any food. Ah, you're going to be surprised later in the show.

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[00:01:45] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:01:45] Eat liquid on your end or my end.

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[00:01:55] And now I have my guest, dr. Kimberly's Stan. Hope. How you doing dr. Stan hope.

[00:02:01] [00:02:00] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:02:01] Fine. Thanks Carl. It's um, I'm so thrilled that you're interested in this topic and your listeners are interested

[00:02:08] Carl Lanore: [00:02:08] well, and here's why we have to talk about this. I'm to going to drop this bomb on everybody now. So high fructose corn syrup has been a thing for at least the past decade, maybe longer, right?

[00:02:20] We started to get why's that high fructose corn syrup seemed to act differently than some other sugars. And there was lots of theories, always the Unbound fructose, because fructose in fruit is good for you. It was the combination of the sugars. People were saying it made people fatter and eventually the noise always about high fructose corn syrup got so loud that consumers will they stop buying anything that had high fructose corn syrup in it.

[00:02:48] And it went away like today, if you go. I challenge anybody pick up 10 of your favorite products. Look on the label. There's probably no high fructose corn syrup in it. And you think we won the [00:03:00] consumers, won it. We voted with our dollars and there's no high fructose corn syrup in anything. Well, instead, what has happened is about seven years ago, the corn refiners association.

[00:03:12] Which is a lobbying group for all the people who grow corn, the big companies that, that, that grow corn. Uh, and they went to the FDA and they said, Hey, you know what? We don't want to have to call it high fructose corn syrup anymore. I think about this, how sinister this is and say, they said, well, what do you want to call it?

[00:03:31] They said, we just want to call it corn shear. And they fought for a while and the FDA turned them down and everybody took a sigh of relief, but then right behind everybody's back, the FDA did approve it today. There are about nine different names. Fructose corn strip will appear in foods of yours. Maze syrup, glucose syrup, glucose, fructose syrup, tapioca syrup, fruit, fructose, crystalline, fructose HFCs, just plain old [00:04:00] fructose.

[00:04:01] Corn syrup or Dalia syrup. These are all, and I just found another one. I, so glucose syrup, I, so glucose syrup, these are all names that you will find on your favorite products and you are eating high fructose corn syrup and didn't know it because the FDA yay. Does it care? They really don't. They just, they just want everybody to calm down and byproducts.

[00:04:25] So. This study is even more important than people think because people are under this miss assumption, this illusion that they're not consuming high fructose corn syrup anymore.

[00:04:39] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:04:39] You know, Carl to back up your comment that in, even though the labels, don't say high fructose corn syrup, we're still consuming it all's we have to do is look at the U S D a per capita consumption.

[00:04:55] This is data that's based on the disappearance of the product [00:05:00] out of the, from the manufacturer all the way down to the consumer site. And it shows that we're eating pretty much, maybe slight less sucrose than high fructose corn syrup, but it's really close.

[00:05:18] Carl Lanore: [00:05:18] Now. Think about that. How, how, how could those numbers.

[00:05:22] On the manufacturing side, still stay there, but there isn't a, there isn't any high fructose corn syrup in any product labels, right? I mean, we were being snuckered. The public is being snuckered. So now we have to talk about this study. You know, now that we've created this, this table for it. So why this study?

[00:05:42] Why did you come back and look at high fructose corn chip it's. So yesterday, what, what preceded this research that made you look at it again?

[00:05:51] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:05:51] Basically this research, didn't get planned to say, gosh, let's see if [00:06:00] glucose and fructose, when they get together is more problematic than pure fructose, because we didn't think we were going to see this.

[00:06:11] This is a biproduct out of the study that followed up. Let's it's called our Seminole study. This is the study that put my research group on the roadmap. We compared fructose glucose. It was a very controlled study subjects lived with us at the clinical research center. Note, the weight gain between groups was identical match diets, match activity levels, and we reported, and this was way back in 2009.

[00:06:46] That fructose had all of these negative effects that promote cardiovascular disease and diabetes compare to glucose. So that was really important, but of course we don't [00:07:00] consume pure fructose or pure glucose. So obviously our next study was then to look at the sugar. We were actually consuming the most of at that time.

[00:07:11] And that was high fructose corn syrup. So that started us on the next NIH study. And this study involved over 187 subjects who actually completed the study, therefore took five and a half years to complete. So yeah, we generated massive amounts of data. Some of it have already been published a number of years ago, including in 2015, we showed beautiful stair-step dose response relationships between how much high fructose corn syrup our subjects drank and the increase in their response.

[00:07:56] Yes, we thought, [00:08:00] I actually thought that was our most important finding from the study. But then I started having a chance to look even closer at the data. And that's when we noticed this crazy pattern, we always went into this thinking fructose. The worst glucose is a lot better than fructose. And in between will be high fructose corn.

[00:08:29] Carl Lanore: [00:08:29] Right. That makes sense.

[00:08:31] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:08:31] Right. But when I looked at my data, I kept seeing per some other risk factors. We weren't seeing that pattern. So no, this finding is completely unexpected and it wasn't that we didn't design this study to check for this. It just happened. To hit us in the face just by looking at the data.

[00:08:59] Carl Lanore: [00:08:59] So there's a, [00:09:00] there's a lot, there's a, there's a line in the press release that jumped out at me. So we have a lot of, first of all, dietary guidelines, they always put fruit in front of vegetables and don't forget to consume your fruits and vegetables years ago. I said that should flip. They should, don't forget your eat your vegetables and fruits, putting a lesser priority on fruits.

[00:09:23] Because yours, I learned about nonalcoholic fatty liver disease and how fructose contributes to it and how fructose is treated differently, uh, by the body, uh, that then it's stored before it can be broken down and used as energy. It has to pass through the liver and be reduced. Uh, to a simple form. So I stopped, I really ate, I eat very little fruit as a result of this.

[00:09:51] And Elisa drives her crazy. You gotta eat more fruit. This line jumped out at me, consuming high fructose corn syrup to be as [00:10:00] bad for your health. As consuming sugar in the form of fructose alone. What does this say about people who eat gobs and gobs of fruit, you know, fruitarians and, and that sort of thing.

[00:10:12] What does it say about them?

[00:10:14] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:10:14] Okay. I'm going to not talk about a fruitarian because that is an interesting question.

[00:10:23] Carl Lanore: [00:10:23] Oh, darn it. Okay. Here you come. Here. Hold on, hold on. Oh, you dropped out, but you're back. So that is an interesting question. The fruit of Tarion is an extreme diet. Right.

[00:10:33] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:10:33] All right. Let's talk about the more moderate.

[00:10:36] Well, let's say even a heavy fruit eater is somebody that eats three to five fruits a day. Okay.

[00:10:42] Carl Lanore: [00:10:42] Okay.

[00:10:43] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:10:43] Based on Merican standards, that's a heavy fruit eater. Now, here is what's important to understand, um, It's really hard in, uh, [00:11:00] to eat enough fruit, to overwhelm the liver the way our sugar sweetened beverages can.

[00:11:08] And even the way our regular food camp. Let's my allowed to say

[00:11:16] Carl Lanore: [00:11:16] yes. So anything you want? Oreo cookie?

[00:11:19] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:11:19] Yes. 8% of its weight. It's sugar. Right? Okay. Right. Our most concentrated form of sugar in a fruit is probably from a mango or an Apple. They can be as much as 13% by way. Yeah. As sugar right now. How many mangoes in a city can a person eat?

[00:11:49] Compared to how many Oreos?

[00:11:52] Carl Lanore: [00:11:52] Yeah. A slice or two of mango. That's all you're going to read. Yeah,

[00:11:56] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:11:56] I did probably eat a whole mango, but even [00:12:00] so that's still not going to rival the amount of. Cook sugar. I can get from six or seven Oreo cookies. And can we eat six or seven Oreo cookies? Of course we can

[00:12:14] Carl Lanore: [00:12:14] in one handful and then go for another handful.

[00:12:17] Right.

[00:12:18] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:12:18] And so that is one of the reasons why. For the average American, we get to say eat more fruit. But the other is because fruit is so high in fiber and obviously the Oreo cookie is not, or the sugar sweetened beverage is not the speed with which the fructose gets to the liver. Is very, very different.

[00:12:51] And most of our studies show that though more concentrated the source of fructose, [00:13:00] the bigger, the change in risk factors. And so that is reason number two. And then also the Mount of glucose. That's flooding. Blood and causing the glucose levels to go up. And that was part of our suggested mechanism. Why glucose and fructose together is worse.

[00:13:26] First, some risk factors then pure fructose. The fructose is what gets the cholesterol into the bloodstream in the first place, but it's possible the high glucose levels we see. After we eat high fructose corn syrup, that glucose has gone to the blood. At least most of it causing another immediate peak.

[00:13:54] That peak we found was very related to how [00:14:00] high the LDL cholesterol is. So we are hypothesizing that our synergy between fructose. Versus glucose, meaning their interaction fructose does its job first sending the cholesterol to the blood. But the high levels of glucose may glycated the cholesterol, LDL.

[00:14:28] Carl Lanore: [00:14:28] Pardon? And that, and that's, and that's the big problem. The glycated LDL is the LDL that causes inflammation and all the damage. There's something else that you just said. That's a nuance that we just glossed over because it's not really discussed in this study, but that is, uh, I, I, this is something we've talked about on the show for years.

[00:14:51] I have friends who tell me, my doctor said my, my LDL is high. And my cholesterol is bad. I've got bad numbers. So I've got to [00:15:00] cut out butter and meat and fat. And I say, well, what about, I have a friend who eats captain crunch in a bowl like this cholesterol is horrible. And I used to say to him, Howard, It's not the, it's not, it's not the meat.

[00:15:13] It's not the butter. It's the, it's the, it's the sugar you're eating. Now. You just confirm that with what you just said, this, this should be in and of itself. That little piece of information should make everyone go. What did they just say I'm on statin, drugs and eating no meat, no butter, no olives, none of this stuff.

[00:15:32] All I'm eating is carbohydrates. That's what's influencing your LDL. The more refined the carbohydrates are, the higher your LDL goes.

[00:15:41] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:15:41] Yes, definitely. Um, definitely. Sugar. And we proved this all the way back in 2009, we proved it again in 2015, with that dose response study that showed the perfect stair-step relationship.

[00:15:59] In [00:16:00] fact, in that paper, some of our subjects were only private  high fructose corn syrup drinks. That would be the equivalent to giving a person one half Kam. Of soda, a six ounces. So one half can have a 12 ounce soda at breakfast at lunch and at dinner, that was our low dose group. And even that group showed significant increases in only two weeks in their LDL levels compared to their starting level.

[00:16:37] At the beginning of the study. Now that was another

[00:16:41] Carl Lanore: [00:16:41] surprise. That's that's significant. That's significant. And I'm good. I'm sorry. You weren't expecting that. Good. Say that, right?

[00:16:50] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:16:50] Yeah. Yes. I wasn't expecting it at all. I definitely thought there might be a trend toward this nice little stair-step [00:17:00] relationship, but to actually see significant changes.

[00:17:03] I mean, how many people do, you know, drank way more than

[00:17:07] Carl Lanore: [00:17:07] that? Oh, okay. Of people who drink three or four cans of soda a day. Right. So I also want people to understand something else. My, my sister, when she was dying, she was intubated. I said, let me see what they're giving her. It was just very expensive medical grade food.

[00:17:27] It was soy protein, corn syrup and corn solids. This is what they would give. And then, and then, then a pixie dust, vitamins and minerals and stuff like that. And I'll think about that. You go into the hospital and they giving you medical grade food. You're dying. You have a tube in your nose and they giving you this as the carbohydrate source.

[00:17:50] They given you a quote. Now don't forget corn syrup. Can be high fructose corn syrup today, they could just have to call it corn, sir. I mean that, that, that to me is astonishing [00:18:00] that hospitals put so little value in the quality of nutrition. They think that nutrition doesn't play a role in anything. And it's really sad because these poor people who are in hospitals that are being fed these foods and they're trying to get better and it's like one step forward, two steps back.

[00:18:19] So it's, it's very, it's very, very sad. I just wanted to throw that in there about that. So let's talk about the heart risks that you discovered. This is really interesting because some responded differently to the high fructose corn syrup and others responded in a way that you didn't expect at all.

[00:18:37] Right? Th the risk factors, the markers,

[00:18:40] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:18:40] the markers. Yes. The risk factors that are most. I'm a product like on the immediate downstream effect of overloading, the fructose with liver, those risk factors were the [00:19:00] expected pattern. Fructose caused the highest increase. Then high fructose corn syrup, glucose, very little.

[00:19:09] It was our downstream risk factors that take a little time to develop. That we saw the unexpected pattern where high fructose corn syrup caused the higher increases. And then these are actually okay. LDL fob, non HDL cholesterol. These are the risk factors that many scientists consider to be most predictive of cardiovascular disease.

[00:19:40] Right. So it's important from that point of view. But it also makes sense to me because if I give a group of subjects, an immediate, all days worth of high fructose, no, uh, let's say fructose or high [00:20:00] fructose corn syrup with their meals and collect their blood all day. I'll see triglyceride go up instantaneously.

[00:20:08] It will be up both after lunch. And it will stay up all the way till about 3:00 AM in the morning. However, cholesterol doesn't go up that quick. It's a longer term process. I know that was up in a week, but it doesn't go up immediately. Right. So when we're talking about these downstream risk factors, we're talking about a lot of things being involved, not just.

[00:20:41] Fructose showed up and the liver and we're instantly going to get this high cost. So it did make sense that way, that there's more mechanisms related to the bad things that fructose does, then just it's in the [00:21:00] liver. Lots of mechanisms involved, a lot of things get involved and. We're also in our case, we are speculating, but it hasn't been proven yet that the high glucose levels are getting involved too.

[00:21:15] Carl Lanore: [00:21:15] So fructose is processed differently than glucose, right? Glucose goes right from the gut into the bloodstream. Right.

[00:21:27] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:21:27] I both past the liver. Now, the liver could pull all that glucose in. But it can't because glucose has this terrific enzyme in charge of where it goes. If the liver needs energy, then that ends up mine is turned on and poles as much glucose as the liver needs.

[00:21:54] As soon as the. Liver doesn't meet anymore glucose. [00:22:00] That enzyme turns off and it's called being regulated by hepatic energy needs, our liver energy needs, but there's a very different enzyme for fructose. This fructose is not regulated by liver energy needs. In fact, it doesn't appear to be regulated by anything, at least from the point of view, what turns it off, nothing the switch is always on

[00:22:31] Carl Lanore: [00:22:31] and you know why and think about it from an evolutionary perspective, we would have never had continuous amounts of fructose.

[00:22:37] In fact, we probably would have gone long periods of time, seasonal seasonality, and. To to quote, uh, Leslie Aiello from the winter Grande foundation, she said the apples of our ancestors were aren't the apples today. They've been hybridized to be sweeter and sweeter and sweeter. So the apples of our ancestors 40,000 years ago, when we started growing our own food would have been something [00:23:00] that most people would have thrown away and thought, Oh, that's disgusting.

[00:23:03] It's like that doesn't taste good. But those were me. That

[00:23:07] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:23:07] fruit is seasonal. You are. Poor ancestors only had it for two months of the year. And so, yes, it makes perfect sense to me. We didn't need to evolve with an enzyme that regulates our fructose delivery to the liver. We didn't need it. Only the beekeeper.

[00:23:28] Maybe that's really the only source of a super high fructose product that's naturally occurring on the planet. But, you know, back then it wasn't till 200 years ago, we learned how to get honey out of a hive without destroying the hive. So no one really over-consumed honey, either.

[00:23:50] Carl Lanore: [00:23:50] Right? So is there something unique about high fructose corn syrup because of the enzymatic, uh, uh, action they use to create it?

[00:23:59] Do [00:24:00] you think there's anything unique about the fructose at all?

[00:24:03] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:24:03] No, but there is one very unique thing that drives me crazy. And it's related to the fact that even if all our food labels said high fructose corn syrup on it, we still wouldn't know for sure what the product can change. Um, Basically you can make high fructose corn syrup.

[00:24:32] What they end up with is this nice back up 90% fructose, but they mix it with all sorts of glucose or up to make. They can make any formulation. They want up to 90%. The FDA only monitors it from the point of view. It says it has to be the 42% fructose. That's the only restriction on using, [00:25:00] calling something high fructose corn syrup.

[00:25:03] I don't know what the restrictions and all the, you know, Dahlia syrup is, but for they call it high fructose corn syrup. It has to be 42%

[00:25:13] Carl Lanore: [00:25:13] minimum, minimum, minimum, minimum 40, right. It could be higher

[00:25:17] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:25:17] a minimum. Yes, exactly. Right. That's what I meant to say. Now, if you go on the corn refiners site, They'll say, Oh, there's only two kinds of high fructose corn syrup in your food.

[00:25:30] There's the 42% high fructose corn syrup. And that's in all your solid foods mainly. And there's the 55%. And that is what's in your beverages. However, a colleague of mine, dr. Michael Giron at USC. Tested this. He simply went to the grocery store and bought hundreds of cans of soda. And he [00:26:00] ran the, analyzed it by three different tasks because his data surprised him.

[00:26:06] It was all the way up to 65% fructose. The average was 59. So there's no standardization of the high fructose corn syrup. And it appears to be up to the manufacturer to put in whatever they want.

[00:26:27] Carl Lanore: [00:26:27] I want to take, I want to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I want to pick it up on the other side.

[00:26:33] I also want to discuss, you know, there's a lot of foods that used to be well, like maple syrup, isn't maple syrup anymore. It's corn syrup with maple flavoring. And I want to talk about that too, because there's a lot of foods out there that. It's just atrocious, what the FDA has allowed to be done to food labeling.

[00:26:52] We'll talk about that. On the other side, stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:27:02] [00:27:00] welcome back to super Yama radio. We're talking about high fructose corn syrup. It's horrible stuff. And it's still in your food. They just call it a different name. So, you know, there are so many foods out there I've even questioned, honey. You know, there's I read an article about three or four years ago that honey has become very adulterated.

[00:27:22] Um,

[00:27:23] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:27:23] you can,

[00:27:25] Carl Lanore: [00:27:25] yes. And they adulterate it with high fructose corn syrup. And the easiest way to tell is if you buy honey from your local farmer's market and you take it home and put it in your refrigerator for about three days, it crystallizes, it gets real hard and you can literally eat it with the spoon that way.

[00:27:44] But when it has high fructose corn syrup, it stays liquid. And I had a farmer told me that he goes, well, just put it in your refrigerator. He says, if it doesn't crystallize and get hard after like a week, he says, it's not honey.

[00:27:56] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:27:56] That's great to know. I didn't know that I do. We do have a [00:28:00] solid block of honey in our

[00:28:03] Carl Lanore: [00:28:03] refrigerator.

[00:28:05] Yeah. That, and that's why, because it's solid. That

[00:28:08] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:28:08] was from directly from the beehive. But I didn't know that. The refrigeration would detect the adulteration. That's good to know.

[00:28:19] Carl Lanore: [00:28:19] Yeah. Yeah. So you, you, you can, you can tell, but there's so many foods out there that have high fructose corn syrup in it that consumers just don't have any idea and they're consuming a lot.

[00:28:27] And another thing that's notorious for having high fructose corn syrup, and there's another way to test is bread. High fructose corn syrup gives bread the mouthfeel of fat. And it makes it nice and soft and you know, Oh, just, you liked that if you take bread and you put it in the microwave for like 20 seconds, 30 seconds, take it out.

[00:28:50] It's real hot. Let it cool. If it turns into a brick it's because of course it's high fructose corn syrup in it. I mean, it should get a little harder like toast, but if it literally [00:29:00] turns like you can tap it, like Ellie Mae clamp it's biscuits. From the, from, from the Beverly hillbillies, it has high fructose corn syrup for a while, right?

[00:29:10] Yeah. Granny used to give it to Jethro and say, throw these in the garbage. So, but yeah, th th that's how you can tell if bread has high fructose corn syrup in it. So the heart risk where there other markers for heart risk, besides the LDL that seemed to be affected more by the high fructose corn syrup.

[00:29:27] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:29:27] Well, there is the related ones, the April lipoproteins B and D. That is the scientist favorite risk factor. And then another nice one that every body it's easy for the doctors to measure is the cholesterol minus the HDL, which is a. More encompassing measure, because it [00:30:00] basically is looking at the cholesterol.

[00:30:03] That's also in the large particles that have a lot of fat in it. So it's, um, looking at, um, some extra cholesterol that isn't measured when you look at LDL cholesterol. So, um, Many physicians prefer that as the risk factor we should be looking at, but the long and the short of it is that, um, these are our three best risk factors for now.

[00:30:38] It doesn't necessarily mean that, um, there now I couldn't do this study. This is a. Study that would be unethical, but let's say we did give this group of subjects a hundred grams, a high fructose corn syrup. And we gave [00:31:00] this group of subjects a hundred grams of fructose to consume for the next 20 years.

[00:31:08] I still wouldn't promise you the high fructose corn syrup group would get the heart disease sooner than the fructose. Because there's a nother important risk factor that is highest with the fructose and that risk factors called apolipoprotein C3. It's a far more recently discovered lipoprotein that is becoming more and more looked at as, wow.

[00:31:41] This guy is really important in the chain of heart disease. So. Until that one's been studied long enough to really do some good comparative work between it's predictive risk [00:32:00] compared to LDLs predictive risk. I'm not going to say which one's worse and that's why it was raised in the paper as, as harmful.

[00:32:11] Right. Rather than saying worse until we've worked with all out. The other one that was the yeah. Other risk factor. That was definitely worse with the fructose is uric acid and uric acid. We've known for years, it causes gout. And for many people, especially families with genetic tendencies for gout, that's a huge problem.

[00:32:37] But you're a gas. It is being studied, especially at the university of Colorado in Denver, but a very respected researcher. And he considers the uric acid that is caused by fructose to go up is a huge mediator in [00:33:00] high blood pressure, kidney disease. Sure. So that's a very important connection.

[00:33:07] Unfortunately, it's not a connection making study that easily in humans because it takes a while. And, but in my rats, it does look like it's a big deal. So we have to kind of just say they both are bad for now. Watch it and not, um, Choose one as being worse than the other, but, you know, we don't consume pure fructose anyway.

[00:33:38] So the bottom line is avoid high fructose corn syrup, but I also don't want to go on record saying, so eat all the sucrose you want, because I don't believe that

[00:33:51] Carl Lanore: [00:33:51] sugar. Yeah. Sugar is not the good thing I'd say. So there's two things I want to mention. Excuse me. The [00:34:00] first is that most diabetic foods use fructose syrup because they say that it hits the bloodstream slower

[00:34:12] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:34:12] and you

[00:34:13] Carl Lanore: [00:34:13] know, it does.

[00:34:13] But think about the diabetics always have nonalcoholic fatty liver disease too.

[00:34:18] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:34:18] Oh, I know. No, I, uh, it was. You know, to maybe give a diabetic, a gram or two fructose a day I can live with, but the idea that, Oh my gosh, this miracle's sugar fructose is not going to raise your blood glucose. So you have a substitute either way is lethal.

[00:34:44] That is the worst possible advice for a diabetic

[00:34:50] Carl Lanore: [00:34:50] imaginable. The other thing is I have a friend who has gout and his doctor keeps telling them to cut back on his red meat, [00:35:00] never talked to him about Annette and my buddy loves sweets. You know, he, he likes to go have Krispy Kreme donuts. And I've told him this before.

[00:35:10] I said, you know, it's the sugar in your diet that's causing the gout. His doctor tells him no, it's not. It's the high Purina. And you know what? The funny thing about that is. There are high Purina vegetables, right? I think celery is one of them, I think, but there is some high purity, vegetables and doctors never tell them avoid red meat and these three vegetables, they just say avoid red meat because of the high Purina approaching.

[00:35:38] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:35:38] Yeah. I, um, do know a patient with gout whose doctor did go one. Step beyond your friend's doctor and did say, and I believe it was broccoli because when he told me I'm not allowed to eat broccoli, I was appalled in that. I looked it up. Yes, it's high in [00:36:00] purines, but this doctor too never mentioned the sugar.

[00:36:04] Never mentioned the server. It's really Sandy.

[00:36:08] Carl Lanore: [00:36:08] Did you ever, did you ever look at inflammatory markers in any of the research comparing these sugars? Because I have to believe that sugars raise inflammation dramatically and rapidly.

[00:36:19] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:36:19] Yes. The unfortunate thing though is the inflammation of fats are at the tissue level.

[00:36:29] So we'd have to have liver sample

[00:36:31] Carl Lanore: [00:36:31] punch biopsy.

[00:36:33] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:36:33] Right. We can't get those. And it is my personal belief that the blood doesn't necessarily reflect what is going on in the tissues. And so, yes, we've had a few random, Mmm. Inflammatory factors. Are higher with fructose versus glucose, [00:37:00] but it's not good science cause we measured 30 of them and only two of them are higher.

[00:37:06] So it's not like something we want to publish and say this happened, um, the animal work it's solid because they can pull out livers and they can pull out fat pads. And actually measure these inflammatory factors and yes, they do see a fact of sugar, but we're behind in the human research. And it's going to take a while before we can kind of get around that.

[00:37:38] Carl Lanore: [00:37:38] Let let's address that for a second. That w if, if, if inflammation is up, blood gets thicker. Interestingly enough, all of the anti inflammatory compounds in. And our diet or, or drugs all thin the blood without exception, all of them and [00:38:00] inflammation, thickens the blood. And when you look at the diabetic model, they always have.

[00:38:07] To take blood thinners because they're getting clots. The thrombotic index of their blood goes up. No one says to them, let's go back and let's go redesign your diet. Let's cut a lot of these simple sugars and let's cut a lot of these starchy carbs out of your diet. Let's lower your dose of Metformin. So that you don't become hypoglycemic, let's lower your insulin.

[00:38:29] So you don't become hypoglycemic. Let's get you into a low carb lifestyle. It's, you know, it's astonishing to me that doctors don't talk about low carb lifestyles with their patients. Instead, they tell them to buy cookbooks for diabetics, which all use alternatives to plain old table sugar that are just as bad for them because there's still sugar.

[00:38:54] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:38:54] It's okay. In my mind, there is pretty much [00:39:00] no metabolic disease that can't be improved by pounding into the person. Let nature be your food processor. Eat the food as it's grown.

[00:39:16] Carl Lanore: [00:39:16] Right.

[00:39:18] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:39:18] Close to the picked out of the field as you can get. Yeah. And, um, you know, when we talk about the Western diet, which is hugely related to our epidemics of metabolic syndrome, diabetes and cardiovascular disease, to me, I don't even say to myself, the Western diets bad because it's sugar.

[00:39:45] I say the Western diet is this refined, easy to eat. Oh, so convenient, so powerful. So available. So you don't have to cook it, you [00:40:00] know? And that's the problem with the way we eat.

[00:40:05] Carl Lanore: [00:40:05] Doctor, Dr. Graham. Sorry. Yes. Well, I was gonna say dr. Paul, dr. Paul Dudley, white. Do you know who he is? He's one of the founders of the American heart association.

[00:40:16] He was also one of the Roosevelt's personal doctors. He wrote a position paper in 1921, and he said that he had not encountered, he had only encountered one myocardial infarction through school, through his internship, through his early private practice. Only one, but by 1921, the rate of heart attack myocardial infarction was, was skyrocketing in the United States and he attributed it to two things.

[00:40:55] The introduction of Crisco in 1910, he said return to [00:41:00] animal fats, tallow, lard, and avoid these a height. And he taught these hydrogenated vegetable fats. Number one, number two, he said sugar. He said sugar. He said the American consumption of sugar had tripled and quadrupled. And he said, we need to, and you know what, he's the guy who brought the electrocardiogram from France to the United States.

[00:41:26] And he was one of the founders. There were three people, he was one of the founders of the American heart association. His position paper was swept under the carpet because then Proctor and gamble that launched their first product. Chris go and it was selling. They, Hey, you know, anytime, anytime I'm a manufacturer tells you this is better than what is made in nature.

[00:41:46] Whether it's formula versus breast milk or, uh, a synthesized fat versus a natural fat run for the Hills. Cause they're lying. And yeah, he wrote that paper and it was great grace. [00:42:00] She was completely ignored. And then 50, 60 years later we're like, Oh, trans fats are bad and no one paid attention to him when he talked about it back then.

[00:42:08] Yeah,

[00:42:09] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:42:09] it's really sad. He of course was father. 30 years later by Yadkin and the industry trashed his

[00:42:19] Carl Lanore: [00:42:19] career,

[00:42:20] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:42:20] he was discredited. Right. And so I still remember when we got the summary statement back from the grant we wrote saying, we want to do this super controlled, answer the question once and for all fructose versus glucose.

[00:42:41] We got back a car from one of the reviewers. And these are always the critical comments saying this is a stupid idea because anyway, this reviewer side yet can work has already been [00:43:00] disproven. You know, why in the world are you going and revisiting this again? Luckily the other two reviewers. We're open to the ideas and actually paid attention to our preliminary data.

[00:43:17] And we got funded anyway. But what if we had run into two of those reviewers? Two of them Colette said, okay, Ugh, yet good. Already has been disproven. Forget it done. End of story. We would have never have done that study and. I really do think the results from our 2009 were absolutely instrumental in leading to a huge number of researchers joining and adding to the evidence base, plus all the epidemiology data

[00:43:57] happening because [00:44:00] we did prove once. And for all. In a very controlled environment. Fructose is worse than glucose and that just started the ball rolling, but you're right. It's really, really sad. How long a new idea has to be around before it can even get the funding to be truly proven and. You know,

[00:44:29] Carl Lanore: [00:44:29] and I saw your research, this research was funded by the NIH, uh, and, and there were no conflicts of interest.

[00:44:37] This wasn't done by any groups. So that's the other nice thing that you had the L the latitude to do what you wanted to do, you know?

[00:44:46] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:44:46] Right. It, um, the conflict of interest is a subject dear to my heart because. While at the very same time I was doing [00:45:00] this study that led to the dose response data that showed, you know, high fructose corn syrup, the more, the worst, the risk factor, the corn refiners paid their favorite consultant, $10 million to do a dose response study.

[00:45:21] It's really almost. Hysterically funny to compare our conclusions. I got P values less than points. Oh, Oh, Oh six.

[00:45:39] Carl Lanore: [00:45:39] Right? For

[00:45:40] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:45:40] the effect of high fructose corn syrup on uric acid, they didn't even defined in the fact they don't show the data. They just report. No fact. Right. Um, but you know, it is, that's a [00:46:00] little bit what science has come to with online publishing.

[00:46:05] There are now so many journals out there. It has become so cheap to be a scientific journal, but us poor researchers still have to pay $3,000 to get our studies published. So it's a moneymaking business. Now for the publishers, you don't even have to have ads. You just charge the author,

[00:46:32] Carl Lanore: [00:46:32] right, right.

[00:46:36] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:46:36] Can get published.

[00:46:38] And so please let your listeners know the peer review process to say, Oh, it was published in a peer review journal. It doesn't. Guarantee anything.

[00:46:54] Carl Lanore: [00:46:54] Yeah, you have

[00:46:55] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:46:55] to look at a lot more than just

[00:46:57] Carl Lanore: [00:46:57] that. We want people to take this information [00:47:00] seriously, and I want you to go to super human radio.net to this shows right up and look at the names that high fructose corn syrup hides behind.

[00:47:13] And start voting with your dollars. We are smarter than this. We don't have to be snookered and sure. You're going to have to give up a couple of products that you thought were great for you, but wouldn't, you rather know that you're not going to develop. Heart disease or some other malady that we don't even associate with this form of sugar yet, but we'll find out about from five to 10 years from now, we really need to do this.

[00:47:40] We really need to do this. I want to thank you so much for coming on the show today, doctor.

[00:47:44] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:47:44] Oh, it was my pleasure. Carl,

[00:47:47] Carl Lanore: [00:47:47] tell you,

[00:47:48] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:47:48] review your readers to do one more thing. Look up the preemption. Uh, The sugar sweetened beverage [00:48:00] taxes in California and how the industry pulled that off two years ago, June, 2016.

[00:48:08] It was very, I mean, I'm sorry, 18 very important. And it basically is mind boggling how powerful the industry is.

[00:48:19] Carl Lanore: [00:48:19] So it was successful. You were saying. It was successful. Yes. Okay.

[00:48:23] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:48:23] It was basically a blackmail scheme, right? Yeah. So they were able to get the governor and the legislators to sign off on a law saying for the next 10 years, there can be no sugar sweetened beverage taxes at any of the County or city level.

[00:48:47] How did they do this? By funding, an initiative that was going to require that was going to go on the 2018 ballot in California. [00:49:00] And this initiative was going to allow the voters to say, no taxes can be implemented without a super majority. So what they had already collected enough signatures already paid the money.

[00:49:16] It was ready to go on the ballot. They told the governor, we'll pull it. If you give us this 10 year moratorium on sugar, sweetened beverage cactuses at the County and city level. And

[00:49:32] Carl Lanore: [00:49:32] it worked. I, you know, you, you know, what's really funny, Mexico. Has a sugar tax and it works. They, that people consume less soda.

[00:49:42] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:49:42] I've been involved in that. I've been down there many times too when it was being implemented. So I was down there presenting data and re research results when it was in danger of being repealed. I was down there with more [00:50:00] data and then just lately they had another, um, scare and. We did a, um, podcast. So, um, no, they're very busy down there.

[00:50:13] It's um, one of the group I'm involved with is a group that's funded by the Bloomberg foundation and it, the most amazing group, they have worked so hard to improve lives. Right down and Mexico from the point of view of the water, availability and sugar, and, um, the Bloombergs keep supporting them. And it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.

[00:50:46] They're great. Great people. I have nothing but the highest respect for them.

[00:50:50] Carl Lanore: [00:50:50] That's great. Great. Thank you for being here, dr. Stan hope we'll have you back again. We'll have you back again. Okay. Oh,

[00:50:57] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [00:50:57] I'd love to Karl. Thank you.

[00:51:00] [00:50:59] Carl Lanore: [00:50:59] Yeah, take care. We're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to be joined by Chris Zack.

[00:51:05] We're going to talk about your new drinking buddy for this holiday season. Stay tuned. You're listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:51:20] Welcome back to superhuman radio. We're joined by Chris Zack from pure nootropics.com. How you doing Chris?

[00:51:28] Chris Dziak: [00:51:28] I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Carl. How are you guys doing today?

[00:51:31] Carl Lanore: [00:51:31] Good, good, good. You got your hair cut. The other day. I was on a zoom call with you. Your hair was longer, wasn't it?

[00:51:38] Chris Dziak: [00:51:38] Yeah, yeah,

[00:51:39] Carl Lanore: [00:51:39] yeah, yeah.

[00:51:40] Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know. I thought it was like, wow. His hair looks different. Um, so anyway, uh, we have a interesting discussion today because, um, the holidays are coming and this, you know, from Thanksgiving to new years and everything in between. It's all about indulging, right? We work hard all year long.

[00:51:59] We keep [00:52:00] our bodies in shape and it's all about partying right now. And one of the worst offenders, isn't it, the food we eat, but it's the booze we drink. There's no doubt about it because the food we eat is going to make us fat, but you can lose the body weight, but. The alcohol, not only going to make you fat too, because of the empty calories, but it's going to damage your brain.

[00:52:21] It damages your nervous system. Let's face it. Alcohol is a neurotoxin. Guess what else is a neurotoxin mercury lead, lots of other things that you wouldn't readily consume, but we consume alcohol and I do. I like the buzz. I'm not going to lie, but there is something you can do that will actually protect your body, protect your brain.

[00:52:40] And. No hangover the next day. And I swear by this stuff, Elisa and I will not drink even a glass of alcohol without taking DHM first talk about DHS for people who missed the first show we did about it.

[00:52:56] Chris Dziak: [00:52:56] Yeah. So, so DHM is a really [00:53:00] cool flavonoid. That is basically natural source. So it comes from like the Japanese raising tree is one of the most common sources and.

[00:53:10] It's been clinically studied for a variety of stuff it's been used for long time in traditional Chinese medicine for alcohol related stuff. And it's becoming an area of interest for more than just like its effects on alcohol, but there is no doubt that it does increase. Alcohol metabolism. And basically, as you know, alcohol is metabolized in the liver, primarily it's still actually is metabolized in the brain, pancreas, all these other places, but primarily the liver, you know?

[00:53:45] And so what happens is okay, when your body breaks down the alcohol into ethanol and. Basically, there's a toxin, a neurotoxin it's, um, a metabolite of the process [00:54:00] called the tall deride. And what DHM does is basically increases the enzymes that allow your body to process that faster. And so, you know, really DHM wa would be one of those, like, Substances that if, if you were in a drinking contest, it'd be, you know, you'd have

[00:54:20] Carl Lanore: [00:54:20] to be, I bet you'd have an unfair advantage if you had a drinking coffee.

[00:54:24] Yeah. Because

[00:54:25] Chris Dziak: [00:54:25] you know, people anecdotally have said this and that and the clinicals back it up, is it really? Because you're metabolizing it faster is you, you can consume a lot more. And so, you know, to each their own, you know, they may. Want to get more bang for their buck. And so, you know, there are folks that take it, you know, after every couple of drinks, cause they're speeding up the metabolic.

[00:54:50] What's crazy too. And I'm not going to suggest that this is a loophole or anything, but they've looked at. Ethanol levels in [00:55:00] saliva with taking gate gem and, and not taking it. And they've found that the alcohol concentration is less when you take the DHL and, um, you know, I'm not trying to like

[00:55:11] Carl Lanore: [00:55:11] sell people, go out and drink and drive.

[00:55:14] I get it. Yeah. Right,

[00:55:15] Chris Dziak: [00:55:15] right. But, but I mean, it is illustrative of what it can do. And so like, we talk about it from. You know, really the effects that it you can have on alcohol in essence verse verse. And now, like I said, there's a lot of data out there in terms of the efficacy of this product for a bunch of other things.

[00:55:40] And so like on our website, uh, we, we sell this product, obviously what I did. For the audience today, and this, this will go for a couple of weeks. Is I activated a new coupon code? I'm sorry, Carl. We didn't really talk about doing this ahead

[00:55:57] Carl Lanore: [00:55:57] of time. Okay. I'll edit right now to the little banner ad that [00:56:00] I created here.

[00:56:00] Good. Sorry. Perfect.

[00:56:01] Chris Dziak: [00:56:01] It's going to be

[00:56:02] Carl Lanore: [00:56:02] SHR 30.

[00:56:04] Chris Dziak: [00:56:04] And so it will allow you to take 30% off of DHM from our store.

[00:56:10] Carl Lanore: [00:56:10] Crazy. That's crazy because it's only $24 a bottle. Number one, that's so cheap. Right. And it's free shipping. So on top of that, you're giving people 30% off.  right.

[00:56:21] Chris Dziak: [00:56:21] We still have the code SHR 10 active that will give users 10% off the rest of our website, but the 30% off is only good for DHM.

[00:56:32] So if. You know, your audience would like to order other products. We welcome that, but you would want to place an order for DHM separate just to get the best bang for your buck.

[00:56:45] Carl Lanore: [00:56:45] So I, I did a show, May 20th, uh, uh, dr. Daryl Davies out of UCLA, right. Published a study. You know what I'm talking about?

[00:56:56] Chris Dziak: [00:56:56] Yeah, I've seen this study.

[00:56:57] Absolutely. I mean, I look at all the clinics

[00:57:00] [00:57:00] Carl Lanore: [00:57:00] and then, and the name of the study, then the name of the show was hangover. Drug shows wider benefits in USC research. And what they found out was it actually can reverse a lot of the metabolic damage to organs associated with metabolic disease, you know, diabetes, obesity that.

[00:57:20] It can actually reverse a lot of the changes in the liver. It can actually protect the spleen. It can protect a lot of different organs associated with metabolic disease. So this is something that I'm starting to think. Maybe I just need to take one a day period, and the story when I'm drinking or not, you know,

[00:57:40] Chris Dziak: [00:57:40] like the more that I learned about.

[00:57:43] This particular item,

[00:57:45] Carl Lanore: [00:57:45] the

[00:57:45] Chris Dziak: [00:57:45] more interesting it becomes because a lot of the clinicals show that what you're talking about is completely accurate, but it also has demonstrated, um, targeting. Expressive [00:58:00] genes relating to him formation. So like, what happens is, is it DHM tends to either up regulate or den regulate processes related to inflammation, cancer process you use, um, apoptosis and autophagy and basically making your body work better.

[00:58:21] You know, it's basically. Either promoting or inhibiting is promoting good processes and inhibiting bad

[00:58:29] Carl Lanore: [00:58:29] products.

[00:58:31] Chris Dziak: [00:58:31] And so what we like to do as well is, you know, on our product pages at the very bottom, we have a section of references where you can basically go and look at all of the references and. With our product pages, we gotta be real, real basic on,

[00:58:50] Carl Lanore: [00:58:50] well, we can't, you can't make any suggestions or this is what it's good for or anything like that.

[00:58:55] Right,

[00:58:56] Chris Dziak: [00:58:56] right, right. But, so, so one of the things like, you know, [00:59:00] we, we go after stuff that's like real cognitive, uh, focused. And so like really the reason that we started using this ingredient wasn't necessarily because of the. Anti-alcohol effects, but it's also interacts with GABA receptors. And what what's neat about it is it has neuroprotective effects.

[00:59:23] Is it per text again? Um, oxidative stress in the brain and then the hippocampus. And so it has a lot of really wide effects, you know, that it target a whole lot of different things and the alcohol. Metabolization is just one of the many cool benefits of it. What's really neat too, is that they've studied the use of DHM for people well, going through alcohol withdrawal and, and they've determined that it acts kind of like a benzo [01:00:00] because of the interaction with the Gabba receptor, which allows people to actually get off of alcohol with a lot less severe withdrawal.

[01:00:07] So

[01:00:08] Carl Lanore: [01:00:08] that's interesting. Yeah. There's a lot of

[01:00:11] Chris Dziak: [01:00:11] really cool stuff about DHM and it is something that, like you said, is I've actually considered to start taking it.

[01:00:21] Carl Lanore: [01:00:21] Very regularly

[01:00:22] Chris Dziak: [01:00:22] because of all the,

[01:00:23] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [01:00:23] the benefits,

[01:00:24] Chris Dziak: [01:00:24] you know?

[01:00:25] Carl Lanore: [01:00:25] So that's all well and good, but let's be honest. We are talking about parks here. The next next, the next three months are the party marathon.

[01:00:36] And I'm good. I drink, I like buzz. I like, I liked the way I feel when I have a bus. And I have to tell you, like, we, we, at least his birthday is this weekend. So I had to get DHM cause who out of it, she's like, do we have any DHM? I says, no, I think we're out of it. And he's like, well, we have to have it for my birthday.

[01:00:51] So there's two ways to take it. The DHM in my humble opinion, right? If, if you're going out to dinner and you're going to [01:01:00] have a few cocktails, take one before, and then when you get home before bed, take one. If you stay at home and you want to just. Get hammered a little bit. Don't take it until after you've been drinking, because you'll have to drink a lot more to get hammered.

[01:01:17] Right. Um, But it works. I can tell you that at 62 years old, when I even drink moderately, I can't go to the gym the next day. I just don't feel good. But when I use DHM, I jumped out of bed in the morning and I'm always amazed. It's like, how many times have I used it now? And I'm always amazed. Like, I don't have any hangover.

[01:01:39] I don't have, I don't feel like I drank it all last night. It's like, it surprises me every time.

[01:01:46] Chris Dziak: [01:01:46] Right. Right. And I have the same thing. And I, like, as I said, last time, I feel like the older you get, the more effected you are the next day. And so DHM has been a real useful tool [01:02:00] in an arsenal when you're, you know, want to be productive the next day, essentially.

[01:02:04] Carl Lanore: [01:02:04] Yeah. And, and, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if it has some beneficial effects on cholesterol. I have a feeling we're going to see a study come out in the next couple years about that because it's, it's so potent on the liver. It's just amazing. But the, the other thing I wanted to mention was I want to tell people this, when you go to bed that night have a glass of water next to your bed, cause DHM will make your mouth a little dry.

[01:02:28] Uh, if you take one, maybe not like if you, if you don't take it before you go out to dinner and you come home and you take it, then then it'll start just burning up the alcohol while you the first couple of hours of sleep and boom, it's all gone and you may not notice anything, but when you take, when you bookend it, when you take one before and one after you'll notice your mouth is a little dry.

[01:02:48] So just have a glass of water at the bed stand and, and, and you'll thank me for that, for that recommendation. But this is app. It looks. If you're someone who [01:03:00] has the occasional you'll drink, you must have DHM in your supplement drawer, in your medicine cabinet, wherever you want to keep it because it's ridiculous.

[01:03:12] It's foolhardy. It's reckless to drink without. I mean like, like if somebody said to you, Hey. You know, if you, uh, you know, you know how when you fall, you hurt yourself. Yeah. Well, you're going to be playing some sports today. Well, you know, you're going to fall. There's this pill that if you take it that no matter how many times you fall, like you don't bleed, you don't, your knees don't get hurt.

[01:03:36] Everything's ready. You'd be like, Oh, I got to take that before I played football. That's what this stuff is like. It's like, if you know, you're going to have a drink or to take it, it's going to help you. You're going to feel bad. You and your protect. And let's be honest. What you're really doing is you're protecting your body and you're protecting your brain.

[01:03:55] This is, this is protection. That's what this is right. Totally [01:04:00] right.

[01:04:00] Chris Dziak: [01:04:00] Because, because again, the alcohol is metabolized than just the liver. And so I tell the Hyde is toxic and it's breaking it's, it's eating away at the tissues in your brain and your pancreas and your liver. It does it primarily in the liver as we know.

[01:04:16] But the other interesting thing that I want to mention too is last time we talked about. Hangover supplements that have a combination of different ingredients.

[01:04:27] Dr. Kimber L. Stanhope, Ph.D., M.S., R.D.: [01:04:27] What

[01:04:28] Chris Dziak: [01:04:28] I came across more recently is a study that showed that DHM in combination with other flavonoids is actually less effective than DHM by itself.

[01:04:40] Carl Lanore: [01:04:40] I can guess why too, you know why they're all being metabolized through the same pathway in the liver. So like, it's like if you have one computer on the internet at home, it's buzzing right along and now somebody else logs on and all of a sudden you're sharing bandwidth. It's not buzzing anymore. So you don't want it.

[01:04:57] You want to dedicate that bandwidth just to the DHM. That [01:05:00] makes a lot of sense.

[01:05:01] Chris Dziak: [01:05:01] That's a fantastic analogy. That's. Yeah, exactly. And so like, there are competing. Ingredients that you may have. And so, you know, we've had a lot of good response from our straight DHM products and, you know, and so it's just real, only DHS and that's all you're getting in there and it's, you know, real friendly, it's very innocuous and that you could take large amounts of it without really any nasty side effects or anything like that.

[01:05:31] Carl Lanore: [01:05:31] Great stuff. Jump on this. Go to SHR network.biz/dhm. Use the code SHR 30 for 30% off. You get free shipping. Absolutely get one or two bottles for the holiday season. If it's two, you get, maybe get three bottles and just take one before you go out to party and one after. Uh, and, and you'll thank me. You'll see.

[01:05:54] I promise you want to email me and go. I can't believe it. I drank so much last night. I woke up this morning. I feel great. [01:06:00] Like who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want that? If you enjoy drinking, once in a while, again, go to SHR network.biz/dhm SHR 30 for 30% off to great deal. Great deal. You don't want totally surprised because I didn't expect the code.

[01:06:16] It's only $24 a bottle that is so generous of you. Thank you.

[01:06:21] Chris Dziak: [01:06:21] I do it for your audience. You know, you have a great audience and we're happy to be part of the show. And so. We want to share the love to the extent possible. It's also, you know, any good, you know, I don't want to say drug dealer, but I mean, a good supplement company is going to kind of get you in the door and, and with a good product, we're going to get repeat orders.

[01:06:42] You know what I mean? Once people, you know, try it and see that it has a good effect.

[01:06:47] Carl Lanore: [01:06:47] They're going to want more. I'll never be without it that tells you I'll never be without DHM ever again. I mean, cause I like to drink, I like to have a drink on the weekends. I like to, you know, kick back a little bit. I mean that, to me, I'm [01:07:00] Italian, that's part of enjoying, you know?

[01:07:03] Chris Dziak: [01:07:03] Exactly.

[01:07:04] Carl Lanore: [01:07:04] So yeah. That's wonderful, Chris, thanks so much for that. Thanks for being part of the show. Again, one more time. SHR network.biz/dhm. Use the code  to get 30% off and free shipping. Check it out. I promise you will love it. We're going to take one last commercial break. And when we come back. I posted my post-workout peptide stack injectable on Facebook and Instagram and got a lot of inquiries.

[01:07:30] Why have the things in it that I have in it? I'm going to talk about that when we come back and it'll just take 10 minutes. So stick around. Thanks Chris. See you later, brother.

[01:07:39] Chris Dziak: [01:07:39] Yeah. Thanks guys.

[01:07:40] Carl Lanore: [01:07:40] Have a good day. All right. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Is the superhuman channel.

[01:08:03] [01:08:00] Hey, welcome back. I'll make this quick. So I posted a picture of a syringe. The other day I was coming out of the gym and it was pretty loaded. It had about eight tenths of a milliliter of, um, of, uh, liquids in it. And I said, this is the best post-workout stack I've ever used. And it's true. And what the stack is comprised of is, um, And I'm be very specific.

[01:08:34] I get all this stuff from peptide sciences.com. Yeah. And if you go there and try to buy any of these, if you use the code SHR, you'll get 10% off your order. And these are not cheap. These are not cheap. This is not some BS recovery supplement that you're going to buy on the internet for 35 or $40. But this works, uh, I've, I've stepped up my training and I've stepped my stepped up.

[01:08:58] My style of training. Any of you [01:09:00] who tuned in for the blueprint power hour on Tuesday, know how I'm training right now, I'm using some very, very advanced techniques and I'm feeling it, I'm feeling it. And my body is responding. But part of the reason my body is responding so well is because of this stack.

[01:09:13] So after training, I'm going to keep you too because of the stack, because I have a prescription for growth hormone, and maybe you don't, but after training, um, I take an injection that has two, I use of growth hormone, a half a milligram. Or 500 micrograms, or do you want to say it a BPC one 57, 500 micrograms of thymus and beta for, um, 200 micrograms of, uh, growth hormone releasing hormone in the form of a CJC 1295 without deck.

[01:09:46] Right? So that's just plain growth hormone releasing hormone, 200 micrograms of , uh, and between 66 and a hundred, our use of oxytocin. [01:10:00] And I'm going to tell you the oxytocin is the heavy mover in there. Yeah. Why do I have those? So, so several people said, why would you have growth, hormone and growth hormone, secreted gods in the same syringe.

[01:10:11] That doesn't make any sense. But in fact it does make sense and here's why, okay. They would never occur without the three of them being present in your body. So in order for your brain, your pituitary to pulse growth hormone, you'd have to have a secretion of growth hormone releasing hormone, and you'd have to have some sort of grilling activity because ghrelin reduces somatostatin.

[01:10:40] So somatostatin is the break growth hormone. Releasing hormone is the guests pedal and. You would not have a pulse of growth hormone if both of those weren't already present. Um, and then people said, well, but if you're using a growth hormone, releasing a hormone, uh, [01:11:00] analogs like that, why use growth hormone?

[01:11:02] Well, that's my personal preference. So, so I'm gonna gonna give you the revised a formula. Okay. Assuming you can't get growth hormone, you just remove the two. I use a growth hormone. You'd have. A half a half, a milligram of 500 micrograms of BPC, one 57. That's powerful for recovery. But remember PPC one 57, depends on growth factors that a downstream metabolites of growth hormone in order to work, if you have no growth hormone in your body, BPC one 57, won't work for you.

[01:11:35] That's why some people use BPC one, fix them there. I don't see any changes because they don't have enough growth factors to begin with BPC one 57. Is like the job form and it tells the workers what to do, but if the workers don't show up and it's just a job for them and nothing gets done. So it's 500 micrograms of BPC, one 57, 500 micrograms of thymus and beta four.

[01:11:57] We already know five, some beta, 40 powerful for [01:12:00] recovery. It increases a red blood cell production. Increases, uh, uh, healing, uh, it affects the immune system to promote recovery because don't forget it's a thymus thymus, and beta four is a thymus gland. Thymus gland is a primary mover in the immune system.

[01:12:18] Um, and then if you just use. Uh, over a, a peptide scientist, they actually have a violet, this combo it's it's it says CJC 1295 slash GHR P six at it's five milligrams of each in that vile, but it's not the BPC one 47 with DAC. It's really just growth hormone releasing hormone. You shoot it in, it makes growth, hormone pulse, and it disappears.

[01:12:41] And that's it. And that's what you want. You don't want the long acting stuff like CJC 1295 with DAC, which lasts days. Because that's not how growth hormone is produced in your body and it will backfire on you. You want to stick with the signatures of how these [01:13:00] hormone peptides really work, but, um, So half a milligram of BPC, one 57, half a milligram of thymus and beta for, um, 200 micrograms or thereabouts of, uh, CJC 1295 without Dak 200 micrograms or thereabouts with a of

[01:13:19] And I would start out around 25 units of oxytocin because it may make you a little lightheaded for a second. You have to kind of ease into the higher doses. I'm doing a hundred units at a time. I don't feel it as much anymore, but I still feel that a little bit. And I say that oxytocin is the, is the prime mover in this blend for good reasons.

[01:13:44] I'm going to be doing a show with dr. Betsy earth. Very soon. I can thank Kirkland war Letty, um, for sending me a study. But what if you could take something that gave you all of the strength and muscle gains of trend? Bologne. [01:14:00] Without any of the negative side effects of trend below. And in fact, it's not trend alone.

[01:14:03] What if you could harness what trend Balone harnesses to build muscle and strength it's oxytocin, toxic. Everybody thinks oxytocin is the love hormone. The connection it does. It is. It is oxytocin. I've been searching for some. So I did my show in 2014, about how oxytocin makes old muscles recover like young muscles.

[01:14:28] Again. And I started doing 10 units of oxytocin on and off post-workout. I never noticed anything when I went up to a hundred units of oxytocin post-workout and now I actually do a hundred post-workout a hundred at bedtime and a hundred sometime in the middle of the day. Now that I read this other study about trend Malone and Oxys, Towson oxytocin has the ability to turn on.

[01:14:54] Specific neonatal genes. Why is that important? Because [01:15:00] neonatal jeans. So everybody says, gee, I wish I could be like a starfish. You know, you cut a Starfish's limb off and it grows well requires activation of neonatal genes for your body to heal to that capacity. Oxytocin is flooding in a baby, in a fetus, in the womb flooding.

[01:15:19] And it actually. Floods in people who have heart failure, oxytocin comes right stock to be produced in larger quantities because oxytocin has the ability to switch neonatal genes in the heart and help repair damage. But you gotta remove the insult. So if you don't remove the insult, oxytocin is not gonna help.

[01:15:42] But nonetheless, I oxytocin may turn out to be the greatest muscle building peptide in the world. Stay tuned for that show. It's exciting. But when I take this post-workout stack post-workout after I have trashed [01:16:00] myself, w whatever the body part is, the back muscle shoulder, and chest legs. I literally feel about an hour and a half to three hours later.

[01:16:11] A walk with this sensation, the soreness just disappears. I don't get any, I'm not getting any Dom's since I'm training harder, I'm definitely feeling fatigue in the muscle, you know, until it recovers. But I literally feel like, like in around an hour and a half to three hours, it just depends how hard I trashed myself.

[01:16:33] I literally feel it. I think to myself, my, I feel like I could go back and train again. I'm not bullshitting you about this. I'm not oxytocin is the heavy mover in this stack. Now, like I said before, this is not an inexpensive stack, but I promise you, you will not be wasting your money if you decide to do it.

[01:16:55] So yeah, if you don't have access to growth hormone, it's 500 micrograms [01:17:00] of BPC. 1.7, 500 micrograms of a diet, mr. Beta four. Okay. Uh, 200 micrograms of, one of the growth hormone releasing hormone analogs, like. CJC 1295 without deck 200 micrograms of one of the grelin agonists like  or  you can use either one and start out at 25.

[01:17:23] I'll use of oxytocin. And as you become accustomed to it, and you don't feel the head rush, go up to 50 and as you don't feel the head rush, go up to 75. And as you feel the head rush to go up to a hundred, I've taken as much as 250 units of, of oxytocin in the shot. And I can take it now. And yeah, well, before it used to make my heart pound and my head, I would feel like my head was going to explode, but only last a few weeks and then it goes away.

[01:17:50] So don't be afraid of it. But this stack will not only help you recover, but if you're over 40, you'll start, you'll start seeing muscle. I can't [01:18:00] believe how my body has changed in just a few weeks of using this stack. Yeah. And I'm training harder and more frequently. In fact, I forced myself to take two days off yesterday and today I'm going to go train back tomorrow, but I was training every day with this stack and I'm not kidding.

[01:18:18] You. So, and you know, and I don't get any commissions. I don't make any money on this just for the record. So it's not like as though yeah. Go by my stack and it's my it's Carl stack and I'm going to get kicked back. I don't care where you buy your peptides. As long as they're legit. I know peptide sciences has legit peptides.

[01:18:36] Every single peptide they have on their website on the page has their latest mass spec analysis of the peptide. I don't see any of the peptide guys doing that. I don't think anybody else even does that. I think they just, whatever China tells them is in there, they say that's what's in there. So if I'm going to inject it in my body, I have to know it's not garbage.

[01:18:58] If you decide to give this [01:19:00] stack a try, you will notice differences in the first few days. Okay. So if you do, I want to hear from you. I want to hear from you. Send me an email at, on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. So that's what was in the stack. And that's why, what was in this stack was in the stack. Um, hope that all makes sense to you.

[01:19:23] That's it. For today, I'm off the air tomorrow. Monday, we have a great show. We have great shows all week, all next week. Thanks to Elise as a performer. Um, All right. That's it have a safe weekend. If you don't have DHM don't drink. If you have DHM have a drink, don't forget. Check it out. SHR network.biz lash.

[01:19:41] DHM used the code SHR 30, save 30% off. You must have some of this stuff around for the holidays and you will thank me. You will. Absolutely thank me. This stuff is real. Does what it purports to do. I will see you Monday. Have a great weekend. Stay safe. [01:20:00] .