[00:00:00] Shannan Penna: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of human radio. Today is, uh, October 28th, 2020. It's going to be a landmark show. I promise. Um, I have a great frustration about the detox industry. That's why I use this image today, um, for the show. And that is there's a sucker born every minute. Which was a comment that was once made by PT Barnum.

[00:00:30] And when it comes to the detox industry, this is really, really true. We're going to get to the bottom of what real detoxification is, what people think it is and what can you actually do to affect whole body detoxification. Uh, before we do that, we have to thank our title sponsor, legendary foods, makers of the tasty pastry, which now is available in hot fudge sundae.

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[00:01:18] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:01:18] Hi Carl. Doing great.

[00:01:21] Shannan Penna: [00:01:21] So I want to kind of set the stage here.

[00:01:24] I want to make a statement and then I want you to tell me how far off I am, and then we'll get into the discussion of what real detoxification is all about. I think that most people, when they think of a detox, if they see something that says it's a detox tea, for instance, they think that by drinking this tea, It will magically somehow like a dog whistle call all the toxins stored throughout your tissues and mostly in fat cells.

[00:01:55] Let's be Frank about this in fat cells of the vault, the virus [00:02:00] vault, if you will, of our, of our body for detox, heavy metals and, and Xeno estrogens, and every everything else that we really don't want. And somehow if I drink this tea, This detox tea, or I put my feet in this bath of water, this detox foot bath that I hope you've seen that one.

[00:02:20] That's hilarious. Um, that somehow all of these toxins will be liberated from their volts. And then travel down into the bladder to be urinated out or into the digestive track to be pooped out or in the case of the foot bath will somehow miraculously exude from the bottoms of your feet, turning the water black.

[00:02:45] And I think that nothing could be further from the truth and is a complete insult into the complexity of the human body. Am I way off on this?

[00:02:58] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:02:58] I don't think you're way off. I do [00:03:00] think there is some benefit to what they're talking about. At least in my observations, in my experience, you know, it depends on what you're trying to detox from.

[00:03:10] If you're, if you're just trying to remove the things that were in your colon yesterday, or today, then probably the detox tea will be helpful because it's. Going to remove those things, of course always consult with your private physician because when you're doing things like that, because you can really imbalance your electrolytes, you can also destroy your microbiome by doing a detox tea, without someone who knows what they're doing, supervising what you're talking about.

[00:03:41] So. Um, yes. If you're talking about an, a, um, dysbiosis, you'll be getting rid of some of your intestinal bugs, but I have several patients who have in their, um, gone through a colonoscopy, for example, and in the detox that goes before the colonoscopy, [00:04:00] they actually become much sicker after the colonoscopy.

[00:04:03] Okay. Because of the damage that's done, not only to the, to the electrolyte balance in their system, but also to the healthy bacteria that do happily live in that area that have balanced everything out. And now you have nothing to be able to, um, provide the preferred fuel source, which is iterate to your colon cells.

[00:04:24] Your water balance gets off your body becomes dehydrated. Um, um, those, all of those are critical factors in being able to, for yourselves to function. So, yes, I think there's a little bit of benefit if you're trying to get rid of what's in your colon for our detox tea, but I'm not sure that's the way to get rid of it.

[00:04:43] There also is some benefit in a magnesium Epsom salt. For example, bath, we know that a whole body Epsom salt bath on a very minor. Schedule a or on a pretty aggressive schedule, but I'm very minor way can help to pull out [00:05:00] mercury. There is some evidence that an Epsom salt bath, but it will take you probably a year.

[00:05:05] If your load is heavy, it'll take you a year of almost nightly 20 minutes, Epsom salt baths for you to see the needle move on that level of mercury. The mercury in your blood. It was effective. I have had patients in my practice who have gotten rid of theirs on a very, very, very slowly with an Epsom salt bath, but it does take some fairly diligent activity on the patient's part.

[00:05:30] Um, and it does require supervision by a physician to be sure you are not ruining your, um, balance of electrolytes, your cellular health in general.

[00:05:39] Shannan Penna: [00:05:39] So, but I have to say that I think most people. Who embark on any kind of detox program. Think they're removing these bad actors from their entire body and you're you're exactly right.

[00:05:58] In fact, the analogy I [00:06:00] always gave to what current detox therapies offer is tantamount that you have a house and over the years stuff is getting cluttered up in the house. And so you go through the halls of your house. And you clean the halls out and you take some of the stuff that was in the hall and you put it in that room and you put it in that room and some of it you throw away and now you have beautiful hallways in your house unobstructed by anything, but the rooms are getting cluttered with stuff and the rooms are what need to be cleaned out at the end of the day.

[00:06:36] Right. And, and I think that most people think when they buy a detox product that they think somehow it's miraculously detoxifying tissue. Because you're right. Absolutely. If you want to get rid of stuff, that's in your digestive tract now, before it becomes stored in those rooms, these detox programs work, um, But that's not the problem.

[00:07:00] [00:07:00] The problem is that the decades of, you know, I, I have a relatives that live in Illinois by farmland, and a lot of them have gotten cancer. Why? Because they spray pesticides and herbicides and they absorb that stuff through their skin and detox tea is not going to remove that for them. So let's do this.

[00:07:20] Let's talk about. Real scientific strategies. And some of these strategies, I would say all of these strategies must be done with the supervision of physician and why? Because they really work. You don't want. To release toxins to fast women who undergo rapid fat loss have a higher degree of ovarian and breast cancer and colon cancer because of what's being squirted out of those fat cells over a short period of time that took them decades to accumulate overwhelm the body's ability to manage and get it out of the system.

[00:07:57] So. The strategies we're [00:08:00] talking about. You're probably not going to be able to buy on Amazon. I mean, you may, but you really want to do these with a physician. Am I right about that?

[00:08:08] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:08:08] Exactly. Always. Absolutely.

[00:08:10] Shannan Penna: [00:08:10] So let's talk about

[00:08:11] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:08:11] someone who's familiar with using, um, detox pathways. Now, keep in mind that.

[00:08:17] All of this is about, um, and you don't want to do any kind of detox, any kind of program without first settling down the immune response. That's our, my that's always my first goal. I want to make sure that I'm not giving your system. Cause if I'm suddenly putting into your bloodstream toxic chemicals that have been present.

[00:08:39] Forever. You're not going to feel well. It's one of the reasons why people feel terrible when they first start losing weight, because weight loss is one of the methods we can use for detoxification. I think it's one of the probably healthier ways for us to do detoxification. If. If you're doing it on a slow paced rate under the supervision [00:09:00] of a dietician or a, a provider, if you're losing, you know, the goal somewhere between one and two pounds per week.

[00:09:06] And the reason for that is we know that patients who do it faster than that have way more inflammation, they feel worse. So almost all the time when I'm, when I'm treating my own patients, I'm going to start by attaching by attacking their inflammation. First you've heard me talk about that before on a couple of shows we've done, but I'm always going to address their implant inflammation.

[00:09:27] First, I'm going to get their monocytes to stop being that Henny penny and go down to being the janitor so that if your cells are functioning, optimally, they're burning fat, or they can flip back and forth between burning fat and burning sugar. And then those cells are going to naturally detoxify themselves.

[00:09:43] They go through a prophet process called autophagy, which is where you. Um, I'm sure you've talked about this on your show where you, um, uh, take a minute, a break, take a rest for the cell. Allow the cell to clean itself, up to take the trash out through the [00:10:00] trash bags that we call the lysosomes. Those lysosomes then dump into a bigger trash can called the auto phagosome and that auto phagosome then is cleared by the immune system.

[00:10:10] If that immune system is. Uh, is heightened in its response in its phenotypic expression. It's very heightened. It's only going to continue to increase this auto amplification of inflammation by getting those toxins into the, the lysosomes and auto phagosomes. If instead, your cell is functioning very optimally and cleaning things out as it should be.

[00:10:34] And your immune system is calm. This will merely be dumped into the bloodstream, picked up by your immune system. Dumped into the stool for processing and exactly how we want it to. So first I'm going to decrease the inflammation. Second, I'm going to, um, improve the efficiency of all the cells, the liver cells, the immune cells.

[00:10:56] Um, and then I'm going to talk about maybe [00:11:00] contributing to some sort of detox if they still need it.

[00:11:03] Shannan Penna: [00:11:03] So this is a very important. Discussion right now, because the best way to detox is to lose body fat at a sensible. And you just said that I'm reiterating it because it's critical. And the reason for that is why would I be overstating that 90% of the bad actors that we consider toxins that we really want out of our body are stored in fat cells?

[00:11:27] Yes. Okay. So, so unless you are. Forcing the fat cell to excrete the toxin in a managed way, as you point out so that the body doesn't become overwhelmed. Um, you don't have an overreaction by the immune system, uh, through inflammation. You know, the reality is nobody dies from COVID. They die from the immune system's response to COVID, right.

[00:11:56] The overproduction of cytokines that destroy the lungs. And that's what you die [00:12:00] from. So, Controlling the army of the immune system, which is inflammation and saying, Hey, Hey, Hey, we know what's going on. Stand down, no need to start attacking stuff. We're going to get this stuff out of here quick, but doing fat loss is the number one way to detox your body.

[00:12:18] Now this is right now. There's a bunch of people going, Oh, forget it. I thought you were going to tell me about a magic pill or a soup or a foot bath. I'm sorry. That stuff doesn't work. It doesn't work. That's that's the sucker is born every minute reason that I'm doing the show, but fat loss is tantamount.

[00:12:39] It's most important in order to get rid of the toxins that you've accumulated over the past 10, 20 years. And I think what

[00:12:47] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:12:47] we have to realize is those things cause stress on the cell. So the, the energy generators in the cell can have more difficulty creating, uh, [00:13:00] energy and packets of energy. And instead of creating, um, water, like they're supposed to, they begin an energy.

[00:13:07] They begin to create these reactive oxygen species that sorta act like ping pong, uh, not ping pong balls. Um, What's that pinball pinballs, and they ping around and they start damaging your DNA and damaging your proteins. And then you end up with too much trash for the cell to handle and not enough energy sources left for the cell to do whatever its job originally was supposed to be.

[00:13:29] And that's where we end up with trouble. The other place where we'll see these toxins hide is not only in the fat cells, but actually in the cell wall itself. You've either attached to receptors like the Xeno estrogens, attaching to estrogen receptors or interspaced into the, um, between the, um, arms of the fats that are along the cell wall.

[00:13:52] Right. They'll find themselves interspace in there. So you'll also see it in cell wall. So when cells die, we also will see a release of, uh, of. [00:14:00] That. And so we want to be careful to protect ourselves. So again, what I would go back to is let's start with, by decreasing inflammation, but let's also look at improving the cell's ability to go through autophagy.

[00:14:11] So for looking for simple ways to, to, to allow the cell to do its own cleanup, we can do that with things like, as you mentioned, um, uh, with, um, um, You mentioned a minute ago about doing, um, a fat loss about calorie restriction, about intermittent, fasting, um, exercise, all of these can help yourselves to begin to improve their ability to go through autophagy, right.

[00:14:37] To increase their production of antioxidants. So you're decreasing that load of. Of reactive oxygen species, and now the cell is better able to handle itself. So you can add things like ketone esters, for example, which also are going to upregulate the production of, um, NADP H which is your master recycler.

[00:14:58] It's the. Big recycler [00:15:00] that takes all those Spence antioxidants and regenerates their ability to function. So not only is it its own fuel source to help that limping along cell to do its job. In the meantime, while you're helping it clean up. But it also provides the opportunity for the cell to recover by giving it that NAD pH the master recycler to recycle all of your, all of your antioxidants.

[00:15:25] So you don't have to take glue defiant if you're giving it this exogenous source. And you can create that either with. Um, with intermittent fasting with calorie restriction or with exogenous ketone ingestion. So that would be one way. Um, and that's something that you can get over the counter. I would, of course still discuss this with your physician, but that's a really good option for, for a lot of people to consider.

[00:15:49] Um, and for you to have a discussion with your doctor about, I would say another way for us to improve our ability to go through autophagy. We've talked about on this show. So many times about [00:16:00] rapamycin. This is a terrific way for you to do that. Of course, it requires a prescription and it does require a physicians, um, supervision, but the, um, but rapamycin is a good way on a.

[00:16:11] Depending on how much autophagy you need. So someone with ALS may need more autophagy someone with, uh, with that's generally healthy. That's just looking for a maintenance program, may need less. And so those are things that you could use on a regular basis to improve, uh, the cell's ability to clean itself up.

[00:16:29] Uh, you could certainly do something like spermatophore and this is, this remedying is one of the, uh, natural ways that our body is able to go through detox, detoxification. Through that autophagy process and former Dean is, um, uh, available also over the counter. So, um, I would encourage you also to use your physician's guidance, but this is a really good way for you to go through, um, improving the cells efficiency.

[00:16:54] Um, Uh, there are several other things that you can do. I can't ignore the, [00:17:00] um, importance right now in my practice. I see so much is this, uh, is the detoxification from technology. And as I'm sitting here on this show, I do want you to be aware that as much as I want you to listen to this show, I also want you to be aware of your susceptibility to all the television

[00:17:20] Shannan Penna: [00:17:20] and hype.

[00:17:22] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:17:22] I mean, it's so much right now. I can't tell you how often right now I prescribe, uh, you know, for you to stop watching the news. Yeah. So that's a detox alone.

[00:17:33] Shannan Penna: [00:17:33] Yeah. The stress, if we believe stress kills, then the news kills. Okay. So now let's talk. So we've talked about preparing the body for this onslaught and that's really what it is, right.

[00:17:45] We're going to get all these toxins out of the body and they have to be chaperoned out. We need to make sure they don't do damage as they're going out. Let's talk about some of the agents that help coax, um, these bad [00:18:00] actors out of fat cells out of tissue so that we can process them through the elementary process.

[00:18:06] What are some of the drugs that you use or that physicians should be considering for their patients who really want to undergo real detoxification?

[00:18:18] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:18:18] So, if you're doing something like that, one of the it's pretty important that you use a binder in your intestines because there is a situation called an in-utero hepatic re-circulation.

[00:18:29] So it gets something toxic. It gets processed by your liver. It gets sent out into the stool and. Because of dysbiosis or bacteria that are there that can cleave off those, those protective things for your toxins. You know, the toxins get wrapped up in a glucose molecule or something. Um, those bacteria can cut that off and that toxin can get reabsorbed into your body to have to be reprocessed.

[00:18:53] So imagine the drain of energy on your, if that's happening, uh, So again, [00:19:00] I would think about using some sort of binder to prevent that from happening. Most of those binders are positively charged because most of the toxins are negatively charged. And so, um, you can use things like charcoal, but prescription I use well call, um, we do this in our, uh, Lyme and mold patients to help them with, uh, clearing out those toxins.

[00:19:19] So they're not reabsorbing things. We actually can use those in, in patients who have too much estrogen in their system, et cetera, because that. Have intrahepatic re-circulation is a problem that we can see. So there should be some way for you to be sure that as you're doing whatever detox is happening, that you're moving this along again, your physician should be able to help you with it.

[00:19:38] Shannan Penna: [00:19:38] So, so would you take the charcoal once a day? Would you take it after every meal? I actually use charcoal 10 years ago to figure out, excuse me, how long it takes. For something from the minute I eat it to the minute I poop it out because everyone has a different, different, um, [00:20:00] digestive motility cycle.

[00:20:02] And I'm a, I'm a 24 hour. Uh, if I, if I eat something in the morning, I poop it out. And then the next morning, so I'm pretty pretty. I know that because I use charcoal, but how would I use charcoal as a binder? If I'm starting to embark on this detox process?

[00:20:17] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:20:17] Um, so it would be, it would ideally be done between meals because you want to be sure you're not absorbing any of your important nutrients things that you ate.

[00:20:27] Um, you know, things like B vitamins that are so critical, co-factors in the intestine, in the liver for all the detoxification processes that the liver naturally does on its own. Um, you want to make sure you're not removing any of the, um, minerals that come that come out. So yeah. Uh, so it would be done between meals.

[00:20:45] So you're away from, and it would be done away from any supplements you might be taking if you're taking a B complex or a multivitamin or something like that, that it would be done away from those.

[00:20:54] Shannan Penna: [00:20:54] Okay. Um, what are bentonite clay also another good binder.

[00:20:59] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:20:59] And [00:21:00] PI Revit clay. And, um, by prescription we use, um, Cola, several them.

[00:21:05] Uh, that's another really good. The nice thing about that is it's got a high number of binding sites. So if you're dealing with someone who's particularly ill from something like mold toxicity, then that's a better binder to use. It's just got more binding sites for the toxins. So that's where you would also where you would see.

[00:21:20] Start after you decrease inflammation and improve their, um, immune response. Now we would talk about how do we be sure that you're moving your bowels and, uh, we say you are, it is illegal for you not to have bowel movements at least once a day. And ideally two or three times a day when you're working with us.

[00:21:38] Uh, we also will give them other things to help their, uh, cellular function. During that time we'll give them. You know, minerals and vitamin C and other things to help them during that time when they're getting their toxins pulled out from their cells. So you can use things. There's a lot of different things you can use to help with that, um, that polling process, um, uh, certainly EDTA and DMSA or DMS.

[00:22:00] [00:21:59] So if you're doing it yeah. Or if you're doing it by Ivy, um, and, um, you can use DMSA and, um, I'm kind of moving away from doing things Ivy, not because of, um, not because of safety or concerns, particularly mostly because most patients are able to get through it. If I fix all those other things, once people are able to get through it.

[00:22:18] So it's very rare anymore that I actually need to use Ivy EDTA. Um, and DSO. Um, but the, you can, you can also use those in a, have them compounded in a rectal suppository or in, um, uh, an oral capsule. And those can be effective as well. Especially if you're dealing with a more mild case, you can use those or if you're just preventively.

[00:22:41] So for example, if you're having your mercury fillings removed, you can use DMSA, um, uh, rectally and. A couple of days a week. And, um, that can be helpful for getting them to, um, detox foot to pull that mercury out.

[00:22:54] Shannan Penna: [00:22:54] How important is that by the way of getting the amalgam out of your mouth, if you're, if you're somebody who's hypersensitive to, [00:23:00] uh, toxins and you realize, you know, you've got these problems, you can't figure out and you have a mouth full of amount, amalgam, how important is it to get that out?

[00:23:08] I think it

[00:23:09] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:23:09] depends on what surface the amalgams are. So if they're on the biting surface, it's more critical than if they're on the side surface. And, um, I think it depends on whether the patient is symptomatic from it. You know, a very healthy patients kind of like this COVID thing. Um, a very healthy patient can probably handle having a few metal fillings.

[00:23:28] A sicker patient is not going to be able to handle any. And so if I'm really struggling to figure out what's happening with this patient, I can't figure out what's going on. Everything looks good. I'm I've done all the. Preparation for the patient. I just can't figure out what's going on with them. Then that will be a case when I would probably look into their heavy metal load and see if they need to have their, um, have them remove.

[00:23:48] I usually will do a, um, pre and post stimulation test. So they'll, they'll give me a urine specimen. I give them some, um, some, uh, EDTA that they take home. [00:24:00] Um, DMSA that they, uh, they, they use, they take it orally. Then they give a urine specimen before and after. And then we get, we look and see how much load is present before the therapy.

[00:24:11] How much load is present after? Was there any benefits to using the therapy? Is it, is it helpful? And then we decide, do we want to proceed with oral and rectal or do we want to proceed with something in, it depends on the patient's time and what their needs are and how healthy they are otherwise. And how long did we have before we have to do something?

[00:24:28] Are we at a critical point where we have to intervene?

[00:24:31] Shannan Penna: [00:24:31] Do you have to assess a person's elementary process? Before you give them EDTA or DMSA because the, these are powerful, heavy lifters in detox. They literally make tissue squirt the toxins out into the bloodstream, but now you got to get it out of the bloodstream.

[00:24:51] And if these people have, you know, uh, impaired renal function or hepatic function, are we putting them at great risk because [00:25:00] it's, it's now it's just circulating, it's going around and run around and it's going to be stored again somewhere. But

[00:25:05] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:25:05] absolutely. And this is not something that someone comes in my door and gets on their first appointment.

[00:25:10] Um, this is something that we've, we've gone through a long process. If even if, even if walking in the door, they come to me with their results and they say, Hey, I know that I have a high lead and mercury load or whatever their toxins are. Um, I'm going to start with all the things I mentioned and we're, we're going to make sure their body is primed for optimal function, because if their cells are still stressed, I'm going to only hurt them and make them worse.

[00:25:36] This is a last line therapy after we've gotten everything else working optimally. And then we add this into the, into the regimen.

[00:25:46] Shannan Penna: [00:25:46] We're going to take a break, but before we do that, I want to plug your clinic. Uh, obviously you're capable of. Especially now, thanks to telemedicine being pretty much available everywhere.

[00:25:57] You're you're you can help a lot of people throughout the country. They don't have to be [00:26:00] in Georgia. Yeah, give you a website and tell people how they can reach your office.

[00:26:05] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:26:05] It's vine medical.com. And then my own website is dr. S dot M D that's D R S dot M D. And I have a YouTube channel. Uh, you'll see Carl there.

[00:26:17] Um, and, and that is, uh, Suzanne F Turner, M D. You'll find me there.

[00:26:23] Shannan Penna: [00:26:23] All right. We're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to discuss this to a greater degree. And I also want to talk a little bit about, um, regular, uh, blood donations and how this figures into the possibility of detox.

[00:26:36] I think this is very, very overlooked. We'll talk about it. When we come backstage, you were listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:26:49] Welcome back. If you're tuning in late, live on Facebook or YouTube, we're talking today with dr. Suzanne Turner and we're talking about real strategies for real [00:27:00] detox, not this nonsense detox. I mean a detox tea may make you feel good about yourself and maybe it'll even help you excrete some of the bad things you ate that day, but it's not going to get the toxins out of your cells that have been stored there for the past 20 years.

[00:27:14] And that is really what detox magic is about. Because you're carrying all this stuff around it's causing cells to malfunction, it's causing mitochondria to malfunction. It could be the reason why over to, you know, uh, dr. Turner, I have been a big proponent of the, you know, you know, um, Aubrey to get gray likes talking about the mitochondrial theory on aging.

[00:27:38] And we have dr.  talking about senescence cells, but the reality is when you really reduce things to their lowest common denominator, What you realize is the bioaccumulation of metabolic waste may be the reason that all of these things go haywire. It's just a matter of, you know, just like your car. You know, you put, you [00:28:00] put a thousand miles on your car, it's still new.

[00:28:01] You put a hundred thousand miles on your car. It's just not new anymore. And so toxins to me appear to be the bioaccumulation of waste and getting it out of your body has to be good for you. Has to be good for you.

[00:28:18] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:28:18] I think that, um, that that's somewhat true. I think that the, um, the biggest waste accumulation we get is from our misfolded proteins that occur under oxidative stress.

[00:28:29] And so that's where the trouble comes, which is why I mentioned to autophagy before. If you're able to go through your cells are able to go through autophagy, you can get rid of that. One of the problems we run into and things like ALS for example, Is they get those TDP 43 proteins that are destroyed.

[00:28:46] They're usually the chaperones kind of like the, um, the ball, the, the, um, helper at the Academy awards, the model that chaperones people around the stage. That's what TDP 43 is like. And. When it gets [00:29:00] destroyed because of usually a genetic mutation or we think maybe toxins are involved as well. Um, when that happens now, this protein is no longer able to shop around other, other proteins around and it itself becomes trash.

[00:29:15] So now you get this. Excess accumulation of trash. That's junking up your, uh, your protein machine, making machinery, especially for your bodybuilder clients. If you're, if your protein making machinery is gunked up, you can't build muscle. And so, uh, so we want to allow the cells to go through autophagy so that they're able to clean things up and get rid of that excess, uh, buildup of your own.

[00:29:38] You know, environmental toxins, as well as your own, uh, toxin production. And those toxins can be as simple as misfolded proteins, uh, probably most commonly,

[00:29:47] Shannan Penna: [00:29:47] so a single blood donate. So there's numerous studies out there. Believe it or not that show that people who donate blood regularly live longer. No one discusses this, no one discusses this.

[00:29:58] Um, [00:30:00] when you give blood your body, not only has to make new red blood cells, new plasma. Um, but also STEM cells from bone marrow are produced and find their way into the bloodstream. You know, we, we hear about STEM cell therapy. People forget that STEM cells are in your body, so your body can repair itself.

[00:30:23] This idea of taking them out and then shooting them back in you like, if everything is running right with your body, your body does this on its own. And donating a pint of blood releases, a large amount of mesenchymal STEM cells from bone marrow. That can be anything at all. They can fix anything at all and you, you can donate blood every two months.

[00:30:45] Um, I haven't been donating enough, but we know that. So, so let's talk about iron for a second. Iron is basically, uh, an accumulated metal. And your body really doesn't [00:31:00] have a way to get rid of it or keep it from getting too high. And I'm not going to get into evolution and all that sort of stuff at this point in time.

[00:31:08] But, but the reality is that you may have iron in your body from a hamburger you ate when you were a child, because the body stores, it just stores it and it keeps storing it and it keeps storing it until you are in an overload fashion. The only way. To really effectively get rid of iron other than become a marathon runner and , and try to run yourself into an anemic state is to tea.

[00:31:35] Tea is bloodletting is to give a pint of blood every so often. In fact, um, when I suffered from iron overload, I had a prescription to give blood. Every week for three weeks, people are like, what aren't you going to die? No, your body makes more blood. This whole idea that it takes your body can make blood fast, but they want to err on the side of caution.

[00:31:56] So if, if bloodletting gets rid of [00:32:00] iron, what else could it be getting rid of? That's traveling around in our bloodstream before it gets stored into tissue. What do you think about this?

[00:32:07] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:32:07] Sure. I think that there, um, we do have a way to get rid of it. And this is, this is, I've just actually learned about this through all of the talk about coronavirus and how patients are having all these problems post COVID, um, specifically using your body uses a sort of sensor called hepcidin.

[00:32:26] Um, so you do get rid of. Uh, of your, uh, iron in your system based on what your system needs, if everything's functioning properly and you don't have a condition called hemochromatosis, um, you will actually be able to get rid of your own iron. There are a couple of things we can do in addition to bloodletting, that is our helpful pen to Sans poly sulfate, which you're familiar with.

[00:32:47] Very,

[00:32:49] Shannan Penna: [00:32:49] very popular.

[00:32:50] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:32:50] It can affect your, your body's ability to produce Hep Sidon, which will help with that iron overload situation. And so, um, that would be something that you [00:33:00] could use in that situation. If you were looking for it's one of the things that we're using in viral infections to help them to help patients not have the intensity.

[00:33:08] Cytokine storm that can occur and the iron problems that can occur. Um, we also know that a lot of elderly patients who have what we think is anemia of iron deficiency is actually not an iron deficiency. It is, as you suggest Carl, the iron being stored in the cells. And so, um, We should be able to get rid of iron based on what we need.

[00:33:30] As long as we have our detox pathways working properly, and cell cellular health is working optimally. As those cell systems begin to decline with age, we have more difficulty and especially if there's a lot of inflammation going on in the cell that have siding is going to prevent that ferroportin from working.

[00:33:47] And now you're going to have the, um, iron stored inside the cell rather than released. And you're going to, you're going to continue to, or prevent you from being able to absorb from your diet. Interesting. So giving more iron can actually make [00:34:00] things worse if you're not careful.

[00:34:01] Shannan Penna: [00:34:01] Right. So, uh, what do you think about regular bloodletting as a method of helping to detox?

[00:34:08] You think it's overplayed? It's not necessary.

[00:34:12] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:34:12] I think it's an option. I think it's an, I think it's an option for sure. I don't know that I haven't read that study that you're talking about. So I couldn't comment, but I think it's an option. Yeah.

[00:34:21] Shannan Penna: [00:34:21] Yeah. The, the study that I'm talking about, they gave no reason why.

[00:34:24] There was just a, it was just more of an epidemiological study of about 60,000 people. It was from Australia. Um, and they followed these people for 20 or 30 years and the ones who were regular blood donors seem to live longer.

[00:34:39] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:34:39] Now how often was the regular,

[00:34:41] Shannan Penna: [00:34:41] uh, they, they were donating at least twice a year.

[00:34:44] The ones that were regularly. Yeah. And that's a lot, you know, you can do, you can donate four times a year, but that, that takes a big commitment. But the people, the more, the more they donated, um, the longer they live to death, so they did it in a stratification. [00:35:00] And then there's another study that looks at women menopause and, and, and birth control.

[00:35:09] So, so the women who, uh, were pre-menopausal had the lowest iron loads, and that makes sense, cause they're menstruating and the women who were post-menopausal had the highest iron loads and then they correlated certain illnesses to these two groups. And then they said, well, there's a third group. There's women who take birth control, who only have like two or three periods a year.

[00:35:39] So theoretically they should fall smack dab in the middle of iron load. And sure enough, they did. And their disease States that they were trying to correlate with iron were not as bad as the full blown menopause women, but not as good as the people, the women who are menstruating regularly. So this there's a lot of good, there's a lot.

[00:35:59] Of dots to [00:36:00] connect an iron, but people aren't interested in, it's not sexy enough, just not

[00:36:03] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:36:03] sexy. Right. Well, the other one that there, that isn't sexy enough is, um, is copper. And, uh, we know that in the synapse, the copper can become reactive if there's a lot of inflammation in the cell. So even with minor trauma, that minor trauma can travel up the nerve and, um, cause those copper to be reactive, that copper can act much like a reactive oxygen.

[00:36:26] Species and damage DNA and proteins. And so one of the things we also can use for, um, for detox, especially a neurologic related detox is JFK.

[00:36:37] Shannan Penna: [00:36:37] Oh, really? Really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I took that for a while, but then I stopped. Um, I may start back on it soon, you know, I, I go, I go in and out with things. I don't run everything for, for long periods of time, but

[00:36:50] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:36:50] yeah.

[00:36:50] I think gave us 40 days for a reason.

[00:36:53] Shannan Penna: [00:36:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, um, okay. So summarizing this whole [00:37:00] detox discussion, real detox exists. But it exists with your physician's cooperation because the things that actually work that actually do what most people are expecting, which is to get the toxins out of their body are really strong compounds.

[00:37:17] And you just can't be Willy nilly, like the tea or something like that. You have to work with a physician. How long have you seen the short and the long when someone comes to you? Who's the toxins are actually the reason for. They're maladies and you start working on detox. How long before they start going?

[00:37:37] Wow. I feel so much better.

[00:37:39] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:37:39] It mostly depends on how well I prep them and how well, how healthy they were before they were exposed. Uh, but I would say anywhere from three months to two or three years, depending on how well we prep them ahead of time and, and, uh, how closely they're following the regimen.

[00:37:54] You know, these are, if you're, especially, if you're doing , it's very difficult to get patients to be super [00:38:00] compliant. I think in the tax trial, which is the big study using, um, EDTA, I think. I think that the dropout rate was something like 15%, because it's such a commitment on these patient's part to, uh, to get that, that treatment done.

[00:38:16] It's one of the reasons I've moved to doing it, um, orally or rectally if I use it at all.

[00:38:20] Shannan Penna: [00:38:20] Right. So, uh, we have a listener, a viewer, Joe, uh, Jomo Jelani. He says, Carl, this is why dr. McGee Majeed Ali, excuse me, teaches that bowel detox comes first. Then

[00:38:33] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:38:33] liver

[00:38:35] Shannan Penna: [00:38:35] then liver, and then the blood can be cleaned safely.

[00:38:39] You're right. So this is what you're suggesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more stay tuned. This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:38:57] Welcome back to supreme-a radio later in the show, [00:39:00] we're going to be joined by Shannon Penna. She's going to give us a great recipe for low carb, high protein, keto, pumpkin cheesecake, because it's the season for everything pumpkin. So that'll be later.

[00:39:13] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:39:13] I follow her on Instagram to get her recipes,

[00:39:17] Shannan Penna: [00:39:17] every so many people.

[00:39:18] So Ron, Ron and I, we talk often and Ron said to me that he has a friend who, you know, he wants to lose weight, but he didn't want to do anything. And so he just told his wife go to Shannon's Instagram page. And so she literally started cooking all the recipes from there and he lost like 12 pounds without even trying.

[00:39:37] So I know she's amazing. She makes stuff tastes so good.

[00:39:42] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:39:42] Right? That was legendary. Those are good. Yeah. You didn't even, we didn't even talk about using sauna as a detox method

[00:39:49] Shannan Penna: [00:39:49] was just, that was my next question. I timed it for that radio spot because we're giving away a $5,799. Far infrared sauna right now from good [00:40:00] health.

[00:40:00] Saunas is a three person sauna. It's a corner unit. Two has a very small footprint. If you go to SHR network.biz/free sauna, as soon as we hit, uh, I think 300 entries and we still have like people that can enter, we're going to have the drawings. So someone's going to win it next week. So there you go. Yes.

[00:40:19] What about sauna? And what about sweating? So we have two different things here we talk about, we have photo reactivity. And then we also have just the, the, the, the, the, the sweating talk about those two in this whole discussion of detox.

[00:40:33] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:40:33] So I love the sweating one. I, I think that's where I find the most benefit with my patients.

[00:40:38] And, uh, but I have them follow a particular regimen where they go through the sweating, they towel off and then rinse off in a shower. Um, even, even for exercise, if you're using exercise as their method of sweating, Um, I still have them encourage them to do that. Uh, and don't go home and let the sweat dry back on your skin [00:41:00] immediately go and towel off and then rinse off in a shower to get rid of whatever your body was getting rid of.

[00:41:06] I think that's a great way for you to. To to detox. It's, uh, it's simple. It's slow. It's not going to hurt you. You obviously will replace all those electrolyte loss with a little bit of coconut water or some, you know, some people using Gatorade, whatever you want to use, um, or, um, Alka-Seltzer gold. Uh, but some of those replacing those electrolytes that you lose.

[00:41:28] But I think in that sweating, and then you go to the, um, to, to calling it off with the key is getting rid of it without resorbing.

[00:41:36] Shannan Penna: [00:41:36] It. I use element LMN T there they're, uh, electrolyte, because it has more sodium in it. We're learning now you lose, you lose more sodium in sweat than anything else. And so I really liked that product.

[00:41:48] Um, so, and, and the other, well, the thing about sauna is it's actually an exercise member. So let's say you're somebody who can't walk very far. [00:42:00] You can actually start sitting in the sauna with regularity. And you can actually start to develop a level of conditioning that will allow you to start walking a mile because the, the evidence that, that a hot sauna is an exercise.

[00:42:14] Mimetic is undeniable. And if you use it in conjunction with, if you lift, you do cardio, you sit in the sauna and then you jump in a nice cold shower. Like I do. I mean, you can, you're going to make your body Bulletproof in a very, very short period of time.

[00:42:29] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:42:29] Right, right.

[00:42:31] Shannan Penna: [00:42:31] Um, it's,

[00:42:32] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:42:32] it's part of my regimen too.

[00:42:34] Shannan Penna: [00:42:34] The photo reactivity, you know, we're, we're learning more and more how important the sun is and that's juxtaposed against the backdrop of, of, of physicians and, and, and, uh, and such telling us sun causes skin cancer, stay out of the sun, wear SPF 90, stay covered up. And we have people literally sun starved today.

[00:42:54] I wonder if sun has any role. In detox, since it can reach the tissue, we're [00:43:00] talking about, you know, sunlight penetrates a good two or three inches in it's gotta be activating something in those fat cells that you'd pick. It affects anything, autophagy, anything.

[00:43:11] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:43:11] Absolutely. So it's interesting that you mentioned that.

[00:43:13] I think what it really does is stimulates those clock genes, which begin this cell cellular turn on of NAD plus production. So that big load of NAD, plus that you get in the morning when you're exposed to sunlight, I think then you have the energy to. How are all the things that the cell needs to do. So again, going back to strengthening the cells ability to do its own job, the body will handle the load of toxins that you provide it.

[00:43:40] Um, so, uh, getting up in the morning, getting sunlight, we know that's beneficial in a lot of our patients, my patients with dementia, one of the therapies that we give them is first thing in the morning, turn all the lights on. Open all the windows, get some sun light into their face in first thing in the morning.

[00:43:56] And then in the evening, when it's time to go to bed, turn all the lights down, uh, [00:44:00] when, when the lights are outside. So get your circadian clock fixed. And then you're going to find that your cells function optimally waking up in the middle of the night to eat. That's that's a problem. I'm not sleeping.

[00:44:10] Well, we've have to address sleep. If we're not addressing sleep, then nothing else is going to work. So I wouldn't even begin thinking about doing something like these detoxes. We mentioned. Without having my patients sleeping well, pooping, well, um, uh, eating healthy foods, bringing, putting healthy things into their system.

[00:44:28] We also didn't mention about doing a noise detox, and I have a few patients who really benefit from this. Even having them wear bows or whatever noise canceling headphones. For five minutes, twice a day. So my patients who are so anxious that they can't sleep or they, I mean, I'm sorry that they can't function during the day.

[00:44:46] They can't meditate. I'll have them just put those noise, canceling headphones on. You'd be amazed. How calming just five minutes, twice a day with a noise detox. This can be for patients.

[00:44:59] Shannan Penna: [00:44:59] Yeah. It makes a [00:45:00] big difference. Um, Again, let's give your website and how people can reach you if they want to really do serious, legitimate detox and not the BS, detox, teas, and all that sort of stuff.

[00:45:11] And then I have one more point. I want to make

[00:45:13] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:45:13] sure it's at dr. S is my Instagram at dr. S Turner. My website is dr. S dot M D and my business website is vine as in grapevine medical.com.

[00:45:26] Shannan Penna: [00:45:26] Okay. So we, uh, have just come out of the dark ages. Of the low fat diet. I have a book at home from the late 18 hundreds called, called fortunes and formulas.

[00:45:42] When you encounter poison. The thing that they told people to do is drink heavy cream, eat egg yolks, because fat, as we know, attracts toxins and has the ability to carry it out of the system protected in that little vault of, of the [00:46:00] fat molecule. How much has. Three or four decades of low fat, low fat, low fat contributed to the amount of toxins people are carrying around that normally would have been carried out with each meal.

[00:46:13] But now they just, it just went into tissue,

[00:46:16] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:46:16] right? The normal number of toxins that your, that are being carried that are being carried out, but also the number of toxins a patient can handle. So if you're, if you have depleted your system, have the ability to store or protect you from that toxin, then you're not going to be able to, uh, to store or protect you.

[00:46:34] You know, if your, if your diet doesn't include enough fat, if you're on a. One of those low fat diets then? Yeah. You don't have enough of the, um, your, your reserve, your margin for handling a toxic load is lower.

[00:46:44] Shannan Penna: [00:46:44] So you do agree that this low fi low fat, um, uh, phenomenon may have contributed to a great deal, more toxification of people through the foods that

[00:46:57] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:46:57] they need.

[00:46:58] I think so. And especially seeing our [00:47:00] dementia, um, uh, patients coming up.

[00:47:02] Shannan Penna: [00:47:02] Yeah. And so that's good because when we, when we, when we take our break and we come back with, uh, Shannon and Ron Penna, we could rename her. Uh, her, her kedo, high protein, low carb, pumpkin cheesecake to the detox, cheesecake and people will buy it.

[00:47:19] Shannon, Shannon. I'm going to make, make you more and more and more money. We're going to call it the detox, cheesecake and all these people buy in detox, teas and all that other stuff. We're going to jump on it. Listen, I want to thank you so much for being here, dr. Turner. We're going to have you back very soon because I have another show I want to do with you.

[00:47:36] Okay.

[00:47:37] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:47:37] My pleasure. Good to see you.

[00:47:38] Shannan Penna: [00:47:38] Okay. Good seeing you too. We're going to take one quick commercial break. And when we come back, we're going to be joined by Shannon and Ron Penna. And we're going to talk about your favorite season dessert, and that is pumpkin in a low carb cheesecake. All right. Stay tuned.

[00:47:56] We'll be right back.

[00:48:10] [00:48:00] okay. Yeah, we lost our connection for a second, uh, during the commercial break, but you're here now. I can see Ron. We are here. My GreenSky screen has gone. Let's see if I can fix that. Yeah, this, uh, I think it's time to buy some new ones, equipment for the studio, to be honest with you. It's, uh, it seems to be, uh, causing me more and more problems the past couple of weeks, especially, but you know, the show must go on as they say, how are you two guys doing very well.

[00:48:38] Thanks for being here. It is the holiday season, which means that everybody wants desserts, that won't destroy them or take them out of their low carb lane. And there is no one. That does what Shannon does. In fact, uh, dr. Suzanne Turner, when she heard you were coming on, she said, Oh, I follow her on Instagram.

[00:48:59] I make [00:49:00] all her recipes. Yeah. And I told the story that Ron told me, Ron told me a story about a friend of his, who was wanting to lose weight and his wife. And he told his wife just go to Shannon's Instagram and start making those recipes. And he, he lost weight and he didn't even realize that he was eating healthy.

[00:49:16] Right. That's fine. I love that. That's true story. So pumpkin is all the rage right now. Everywhere you go. See if I could fix my green screen while we're talking. And, and, and obviously it usually comes along with lots of sugar. Um, but you have found ways to, to fix that, right? So we're gonna, we're going to have this recipe on the website.

[00:49:40] So people don't have to worry about writing things down right. This second. But the reality is that there are ways to make pumpkin cheesecake that, uh, that are low carb, right? Yeah. Pumpkin pie, pumpkin cheesecake, pecan pie, even. I mean, you can do pretty much anything you want. Um, it's it [00:50:00] there's, you know, this is the other thing you can Google any recipe you want, you can type into Google, pumpkin cheesecake, or pumpkin pie, or low carb or keto.

[00:50:09] And you're going to find a ton of different recipes and you have to find the one that kind of, if you have all those ingredients, some people get really complicated and crazy. Some are really simple. So you just have to find the ones that kind of work for you, um, that fit

[00:50:22] Ron Penna: [00:50:22] your macros. Whether you're

[00:50:23] Shannan Penna: [00:50:23] just on a local car,

[00:50:24] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:50:24] you can always.

[00:50:25] Shannan Penna: [00:50:25] Turn it into more of a high protein cheesecake, you know, you just

[00:50:28] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:50:28] played with it.

[00:50:31] Shannan Penna: [00:50:31] Just give the rundown of what's in this pumpkin cheesecake so people can understand. And again, if you go to superhuman, radio.net, we'll have the entire. Recipe right there. Talk about it. Yeah. So pretty simple. I mean, pumpkin canned pumpkin, you want to make sure that, that you get the canned pumpkin puree that is unsweetened.

[00:50:49] So there's a typical pumpkin pie. The cans look the same and I've even bought the wrong one by mistake. Go in there and you grab it. Um, the one that is sweetened

[00:50:59] Ron Penna: [00:50:59] is

[00:51:00] [00:50:59] Shannan Penna: [00:50:59] full of carbs and sugar. So you want to make sure you buy the unsweetened, um, pumpkin pie puree or canned pumpkin puree. And so basically it's that cream cheese, um, some sweetener, vanilla, not much to, it makes, I mean, it's, it's pretty, pretty basic.

[00:51:16] I mean, it's kind of like a five ingredient thing. You can also do, um, a pumpkin cheesecake best crustless. So you don't have to have a crust. Um, in this one, it's basically almond flour, some collagen, um, which gives it more of that, Joey, um, you know, uh, a cross, like instead of having a net flour title. Yeah.

[00:51:35] Because that they, they, that just like crumbles and breaks apart and it doesn't really feel like trust. Right. But one of the tricks to using almond flour as, as a, as a cross is to use an egg. To use some butter, um, and also something like your reference hall, um, or even alkalosis a sweetener because it

[00:51:53] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:51:53] sort of pulls it together.

[00:51:55] Shannan Penna: [00:51:55] Um, and so when you bake it, it'll stay solid. A lot of people just try and do almond flour [00:52:00] butter and bake it, and it, it falls apart. So you do need an egg in there. Um, but with the college in the college and access that sticky glue, you can just use the almond flour, a little bit of collagen. Uh, you're, you know, vanilla, whatever you want to do with your cross, whether you're going to put cinnamon in it or not.

[00:52:16] Um, but it's pretty simple. And so can you use college in instead to replace the gluten? Because gluten is what makes bread products, doughy, and stretchy, like pizza crust. You can for certain textures, for sure. You're not going to get the rise per se out of it. That you can use some protein powder. If you want to get a little rise.

[00:52:37] Um, you know, you can also in the cross, you could use whey protein and said at the college, and if someone did have it or didn't want to use college and for whatever reason, uh, you can use like probably approximately I think it's about scoop, um, uh, protein powder in there and that'll help give it that, that sort of doughy texture.

[00:52:53] Um, so it's not crumbling and it'll stay when you cut it. It'll be a solid piece. Now, Ron, you've always, [00:53:00] um, positioned a lot of the recipes. That it's not just people who are destined to eat low carb or keto, so they're going to tough it out and they're going to eat something that doesn't really taste as the author, as authentic to the one they're replacing.

[00:53:16] But how do you rate this, uh, this pumpkin cheesecake?

[00:53:21] Ron Penna: [00:53:21] I think cheesecakes in

[00:53:21] Shannan Penna: [00:53:21] general are

[00:53:22] Ron Penna: [00:53:22] one of the few that you can pass the

[00:53:24] Shannan Penna: [00:53:24] test,

[00:53:25] Ron Penna: [00:53:25] even with people that don't eat that way and are not really focused on nutrition. Uh, some of the other things that you can make, there's still kind of

[00:53:32] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:53:32] a protein texture or something,

[00:53:33] Shannan Penna: [00:53:33] but these

[00:53:34] Ron Penna: [00:53:34] cheesecake, what recipes she's talking about here, um, it's actually a perfect one because it's higher fat, your proteins, a little lower.

[00:53:41] So you can, you can fake people out, you know, grandma can come by and it's kind of a fun thing because

[00:53:46] Shannan Penna: [00:53:46] one of the quotes that we

[00:53:47] Ron Penna: [00:53:47] tend to hear a lot is why would I eat the real thing? And when

[00:53:50] Shannan Penna: [00:53:50] you get someone who really does

[00:53:51] Ron Penna: [00:53:51] not watch their nutrition to say that that's interesting. And that's kind of like Shannon's bar, she's always trying to get the.

[00:53:58] Uh, the normal person said

[00:54:00] [00:54:00] Shannan Penna: [00:54:00] kids,

[00:54:01] Ron Penna: [00:54:01] Oh my kids, if you can get a kid to eat it and she's kicked your, I would say in the realm of, um,

[00:54:08] Shannan Penna: [00:54:08] the texture, the fattiness, anytime you get to use enough fat, you can, you can kind of hide the lack

[00:54:13] Ron Penna: [00:54:13] of carts or

[00:54:14] Shannan Penna: [00:54:14] lack of sugar, I would say. Um, so I mean, yeah, any cheesecake, regardless of how you flavor it, whether it's a basic cheesecake, a vanilla cheesecake, a pumpkin cheesecake.

[00:54:24] They're they're going to be really possible for, or the real thing. So, um, we have someone on, um, YouTube, a underscore G saying, are these the quest people? Yes, Shannon and Shannon and invented the quest. The quest bar became a bar in Shannon's kitchen. It was only after Ron was bringing them to work and all the geeks that were working in the, uh, internet.

[00:54:54] Uh, security industry will like, wow, these things are great. And they didn't even know they were good for them. They were like, these are [00:55:00] great. Can you bring more that they realized that they had something here kind of like the bar you're talking about. That that's really an example of that bar where people who don't care about their nutrition go, can we eat more of these?

[00:55:12] Right, right. Yeah.

[00:55:13] Ron Penna: [00:55:13] That really is the ultimate praise people that aren't too focused on the nutrition because

[00:55:17] Shannan Penna: [00:55:17] when you get to be full them and

[00:55:19] Ron Penna: [00:55:19] you'd have something pretty interesting in that.

[00:55:21] Shannan Penna: [00:55:21] So. You also make another cheesecake called a Basque cake. Is that, is that actually you're from Spain or is that why?

[00:55:31] You know, it's funny, it's a recipe. So this started a couple months ago. My sister-in-law moved here and

[00:55:35] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:55:35] her and her, her

[00:55:36] Shannan Penna: [00:55:36] kids were home obviously with COVID everyone's home from college and they started baking up a storm and they made this basket cheesecake. And I thought, what is that? So I had to Google it and look at it fast.

[00:55:46] Cheesecake basically has to do at the top. The rest of it is the basic cheesecake. But you get this top that, that. Uh, caramelizes and Browns a lot more. Um, it has to be more of a desired taste and texture thing [00:56:00] too.

[00:56:00] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:56:00] Right. Because it

[00:56:01] Shannan Penna: [00:56:01] feels like a bit of a skin on top, but it doesn't have this buttery carmely taste.

[00:56:06] That's quite good. So I did do one of those and that is on my page. So yeah. So dude, so I was going to say, so what do you do? You just finished the cheesecake and turned the broiler on for a few minutes and just breathe. Exactly.

[00:56:18] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:56:18] It's a longer Bay

[00:56:20] Shannan Penna: [00:56:20] longer bait and you let it Brown and then it. It sorta, the, the ingredients are also slightly different.

[00:56:26] I believe if I'm not

[00:56:27] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:56:27] mistaken, there's more egg in it.

[00:56:28] Shannan Penna: [00:56:28] And so it will sink in the middle a little bit and then it just keeps Browning and caramelizing on top. So it's just a different method, but I thought I have to give this a try. I make cheesecakes all the time. I've never made a basket cheesecake. So as a kid, all the cheesecakes, I'm sorry, Ron, go ahead.

[00:56:44] Well,

[00:56:44] Ron Penna: [00:56:44] one thing that's kind of interesting about that. That

[00:56:46] Shannan Penna: [00:56:46] is good or bad, depending on how you

[00:56:48] Ron Penna: [00:56:48] look at it. When we ate it, we have the real thing. We tried really got

[00:56:51] Shannan Penna: [00:56:51] it. Actually, this is a pretty easy, my sister-in-law makes the real, they make the real stuff. They don't

[00:56:54] Ron Penna: [00:56:54] do low carb. My kids made it and Shannon said, I think I can make this.

[00:56:58] And I think it can be better. [00:57:00] And she made it and we ate it

[00:57:01] Shannan Penna: [00:57:01] and we thought it was better. I like mine better. I find a real version, two 80. It's got too much of an achy taste, which I don't mind. When it comes to cheesecake, I want a certain taste and texture. I found there's more 80.

[00:57:14] Ron Penna: [00:57:14] So then we took it over there.

[00:57:16] Their kids prefer the real one. I remember thinking like, is this year, have my taste buds change because I've been doing this so long. Um, and you know,

[00:57:25] Shannan Penna: [00:57:25] but it's also, if you, if you're someone who likes Flawn or something that you might like that eight year tastes like, yeah. Like I like a cassette, I love flying.

[00:57:33] I kept waiting for you guys to come out with Flon, you know, like they gotta make a flux and you know what, I it's what I have in Devon, but, um, I've done. Panacotta. Haven't thought it's really easy to, uh, you know, or low carbs. So that's a fun one, but, um, yeah, it was really funny when they were like, no, we like the other one better.

[00:57:49] I think he was just, they liked that achy or taste and texture. It was a little

[00:57:54] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [00:57:54] jiggle ear.

[00:57:55] Shannan Penna: [00:57:55] So it's just preference. You know, when I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn, [00:58:00] when I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn, I had a Cuban family on one side of me and I had a Puerto Rican family on the other side of me.

[00:58:07] And they both made Flon, but. The Cuban Flon. I liked better because it had that egg custard taste. They, the Puerto Rican Flawn, they would make it from the box from the Goya box. And it just, it just didn't, you know, it, it had that jelly gelatin kind of texture to it, right where the Cuban Flon was almost like custardy when you dug into it, it wasn't like gel.

[00:58:31] It was like a creamy custard. And I loved it and I fell in love with Flawn when I was a kid, I I'm always trying to find good flaws. So.

[00:58:38] Ron Penna: [00:58:38] Right. I grew up eating it because our parents are Brazilian and I hated it. And I was a kid. And you have like American desserts, you know, pop tarts and stuff like that.

[00:58:46] Shannan Penna: [00:58:46] Do you like it now? Do you like it now, Ron?

[00:58:49] Ron Penna: [00:58:49] I, I, yeah, I can eat it now. I, I don't really

[00:58:52] Shannan Penna: [00:58:52] know. It's not, yeah. It's not something either of us go for like, as if it's at a restaurant and you're like, that's not the thing we're going to order.

[00:58:58] Ron Penna: [00:58:58] Yeah.

[00:58:59] Shannan Penna: [00:58:59] But, [00:59:00] you know, everyone's different that way with what they love for desserts Cuban restaurant here in con in Louisville, uh, called Mohito and they have two different floors that they serve.

[00:59:10] They have a goat cheese Flawn, which is really thick and customers. Yeah. I made a good cheese cheesecake before. I love that. I think that's the best, but anyway, enough about Flon. So yeah. Since this is, uh, uh, you know, you guys are with legendary foods, you started legendary foods now. And, um, you just made a big announcement though.

[00:59:31] We've been waiting for a new tasty pastry, and we have it. It's the, uh, it's a chocolate fudge, us hot fudge sundae, right? That's right.

[00:59:41] Ron Penna: [00:59:41] Yeah. It just came out last week

[00:59:43] Shannan Penna: [00:59:43] and it has more protein box right here. Uh, I want one. Uh, so, so they, they, they, they, it has, boy has 15 grams of protein instead of the other ones had wat 11 or nine.

[00:59:55] Yeah. Nine. Yeah.

[00:59:57] Ron Penna: [00:59:57] Yeah. So it's about 40%, uh, calendars. We [01:00:00] approach it on this one. Yeah. And it's, it's just bigger, better batter, you know, as, as you make these things, hundreds of thousands of times you get better and, uh, just a better stable formula, closer to a real pop tart. And I just don't have the carbs and sugar and flour.

[01:00:15] Shannan Penna: [01:00:15] So I don't think the audience will really, the world knows the truth about the culmination of the tasty pastry, because while Shannon is the culinary genius. She wasn't really high on a Pop-Tart type, uh, pastry. This was, this was really your genius, right? Ron, you were like, no, no, no, this is good. It's all right.

[01:00:33] He tried to get me to make them he's like pop tart, you know, like make it clean. And I thought, I don't like pop tarts. It just wasn't. I wasn't something I grew up. So I had no interest in making one at all.

[01:00:45] Ron Penna: [01:00:45] Yeah. I grew up, you know, back when I grew up, you had Saturday morning cartoons, you had pop tarts and that those are two things that, uh, Uh, I missed, so yeah, the puppy has been in my mind for a long time and, uh, I just thought it's a really good way to get back to [01:01:00] childhood, um, uh, you know, instincts without the, the diabetes crash and all the, to the sugar.

[01:01:05] So

[01:01:06] Shannan Penna: [01:01:06] yeah, it was, it was a

[01:01:07] Ron Penna: [01:01:07] hard project.

[01:01:08] Shannan Penna: [01:01:08] It took a long time to make,

[01:01:09] Ron Penna: [01:01:09] but it's, um, it really satisfies somebody as some. You have your toasted people yet are people from Australia.

[01:01:14] Shannan Penna: [01:01:14] So that's what I was going to ask you. So when you were a kid, was the cartoon, your favorite cartoon Saturday morning, Johnny Johnny quest.

[01:01:21] Uh,

[01:01:21] Ron Penna: [01:01:21] I really liked Johnny quest because you remember, they killed people on that.

[01:01:25] Shannan Penna: [01:01:25] It was really, you know, people fell off a cliff. Uh, they didn't, they didn't

[01:01:28] Ron Penna: [01:01:28] fall off of the parachute. Yeah. So Johnny quest was actually a

[01:01:32] Shannan Penna: [01:01:32] and, and, and toasted and toasted or on toasted.

[01:01:36] Ron Penna: [01:01:36] I went both ways, sometimes toasted.

[01:01:38] Sometimes it just, you know, too quick, I wanted to just eat it right out of the

[01:01:41] Shannan Penna: [01:01:41] box,

[01:01:41] Ron Penna: [01:01:41] but. Toasting, I think really takes it to that pastry level and hides any

[01:01:46] Shannan Penna: [01:01:46] flaws. And it's just, it

[01:01:47] Ron Penna: [01:01:47] makes it

[01:01:47] Shannan Penna: [01:01:47] super special. Yeah. And so when you introduced the tasty pastry, I was kind of like where Shannon is like, I was like, well, you know, I guess there are people who like it, I know in the bodybuilding community, [01:02:00] the people who are, you know, if it fits your macros, they love.

[01:02:04] Pop tarts. Right. And, but then I started to go to convenience stores and like notice, like they would have, they would have quest bars, you know, they'd have other bars. And then at the very top, they'd have Pop-Tarts and I'm like, wait a minute. This is all supposedly healthy stuff. And on top they have a row like six boxes of different flavored pop tarts.

[01:02:28] And it dawned on me. I never realized that pop tarts was so, had such a big following in the adult community.

[01:02:36] Ron Penna: [01:02:36] Yeah, I've seen, uh, I've seen 17 facings in a gas station before. Uh, that's the most I've ever seen. So that's 17, not different flavors necessarily, but 17 different

[01:02:47] Shannan Penna: [01:02:47] individual. Uh

[01:02:48] Ron Penna: [01:02:48] basings uh, but I've seen nine to 11 pretty routinely.

[01:02:52] And if you look at how itself pop tarts are big things for adults, because we think of them as kids and people like you, Carl would have super sophisticated at tying [01:03:00] pallets and like dark chocolate, you know, bitter things.

[01:03:03] Shannan Penna: [01:03:03] Yeah,

[01:03:03] Ron Penna: [01:03:03] pop tarts really aren't the go-to. Um, but it's amazing. Like I, someone sent me an article in, um, I think it was Louisiana whenever they have a, um,

[01:03:12] Shannan Penna: [01:03:12] hurricane

[01:03:13] Ron Penna: [01:03:13] bottled water and toilet paper and pop charts, three top sellers and a strawberry Pop-Tart it is the number one.

[01:03:21] And then you've got like Apple smores, blueberry Fletcher. On down, but it is you definitely, the world is stratified. There's there's people that just grew up with pop charts and people the, and I've seen even in the UK, which Pop-Tarts

[01:03:34] Shannan Penna: [01:03:34] are not a big thing, pop tarts have that

[01:03:37] Ron Penna: [01:03:37] sort of Mindshare where people are just harkens back to their childhood.

[01:03:41] And some people,

[01:03:42] Shannan Penna: [01:03:42] Shannon didn't grow up with them either.

[01:03:44] Ron Penna: [01:03:44] You didn't grow up with them, but some people it's just this

[01:03:46] Shannan Penna: [01:03:46] incredible, like, wow.

[01:03:48] Ron Penna: [01:03:48] Uh, it's the first product that we've ever gotten kids. I just got the video today. Oh. You know, uh,

[01:03:52] Shannan Penna: [01:03:52] Ben refills, right in the video,

[01:03:54] Ron Penna: [01:03:54] his kids, um, going to town with it.

[01:03:57] And these are kids that grew up in a household [01:04:00] with super great diets. Um, and that

[01:04:02] Shannan Penna: [01:04:02] really is

[01:04:03] Ron Penna: [01:04:03] kind of the, the best thing I can say is that we were always trying to get kids to do that. Question's really tough. There really weren't too many

[01:04:09] Shannan Penna: [01:04:09] quests.

[01:04:11] Ron Penna: [01:04:11] Fans that were, you know,

[01:04:12] Dr. Suzanne Turner, MD: [01:04:12] understanding.

[01:04:13] Shannan Penna: [01:04:13] Um, uh,

[01:04:14] Ron Penna: [01:04:14] but with this one, if you, if you go to the legendary food's Instagram page, you'll see lots of kids eating them, which is, uh, you know, from the R and D standpoint, Anthony, that the guy who works so hard on breast, we been trying to capture kids into our clutches for, for years.

[01:04:27] And

[01:04:27] Shannan Penna: [01:04:27] they're just too smart. And the parents and the parents that this mitigates any guilt, like if you buy your kids, Pop-Tarts, you're a horrible parent. If you buy your kids tasty pastry, you're a wonderful parent. I mean, it's just really. I mean, I'm telling you, did you happen to listen to the interview?

[01:04:42] I did with Ben Greenfield of fathers and sons. I did. Yes. Very, an interesting, I I've never met anybody that was so pragmatic about every single thing from the minute he gets up and starts breathing to the minute he goes to. Yeah.

[01:04:58] Ron Penna: [01:04:58] Yeah. And I saw, you know, [01:05:00] Mark Bell kind of joined in on that too.

[01:05:01] Shannan Penna: [01:05:01] It's just,

[01:05:02] Ron Penna: [01:05:02] there's a lot of fathers out there.

[01:05:04] There's a lot of guys doing this amazing stuff and it's kind of going unrecognized.

[01:05:09] Shannan Penna: [01:05:09] You know, and it's interesting because there's lots of ways to raise good children. It's there's not just one way. And that's what you realize is people that are kind of more laid back. Um, we just did an interview with, um, the guy from Kabuki strength, Chris Duffin.

[01:05:26] I mean, he, he, he, he has an amazing. Uh, experience as a child himself. Like he, he grew up in the woods because his parents were like anti establishment, antisocial, you know, and, and he lived around cutthroat people and they had no running water. And then you hear this guy and you see that he has all of these values as a parent, that like, where do you get that stuff?

[01:05:51] When you grow up in the woods? It's really fascinating. I learned more about people. Then I do about their parenting skills by doing [01:06:00] these interviews. I think it's very, very fascinating, very fast.

[01:06:03] Ron Penna: [01:06:03] The parents that use their parents as sort of a reverse way to look at the world, they had a terrible situation and they said, that's not going to happen to me.

[01:06:12] I don't know of any other area where it seems to be so powerful where people are actually striving to be the opposite of what they grew up in. And many people did very successfully. If you go to their house, you're like, Oh, this is an amazing family. And then you hear their personal story and you're like,

[01:06:25] Shannan Penna: [01:06:25] wow,

[01:06:25] Ron Penna: [01:06:25] I would never have connected the two.

[01:06:27] I didn't know

[01:06:29] Shannan Penna: [01:06:29] that story. So the recipe we're talking about is on super human radio.net into the, in this show. Uh, where the show write-up is the whole recipe. Is there, I mean, I would recommend that you give it a try and that you follow, uh, Shannon on Instagram, uh, her screen name, or, uh, what do you call it?

[01:06:46] Profile name is quest creator at quest creator. Uh, she has amazing recipes of everything, not just desserts. I mean, some amazing things, Ron and I will be back on next week. Uh, we have, [01:07:00] uh, an interview that we have with Doug bronchiole. Uh, about his training style.

[01:07:06] Ron Penna: [01:07:06] Yes. That's actually going to be pretty fascinating.

[01:07:09] I don't think there's any single book that got me thinking so much about resistance training. I mean, you know, what more can be said about it, but, uh, yeah, he managed to do something using physics where I was just, Oh my gosh,

[01:07:20] Shannan Penna: [01:07:20] it just made me really question

[01:07:21] Ron Penna: [01:07:21] everything we've, uh,

[01:07:22] Shannan Penna: [01:07:22] we've talked about. So I'm looking forward and also I never, so I've had.

[01:07:28] An Omega three tests sitting on my, where my mail is for like the past couple of weeks now. And Elisa goes, who sent that to you? And I said, I can't remember. And then today and then, and then, and then, cause I always get stuff from Ron. It's just, you know, I, I don't know. It's just, it's a, he's so generous and so thoughtful and he has, and I know I'm not the only person in his life that fit falls into this.

[01:07:54] I mean, he is just an amazing human being. And I said to Elise, she says, well, what are you going to do with that? I said, well, I'm going to take it. [01:08:00] She goes, who sent it to you? And I said, you know, I don't know. And then this morning I was looking for your email address that I find the email where you said, I just sent this in about neuropathy and I'm like, Oh my God.

[01:08:11] Ron sent it to me. Yeah. So I'm going to do that tonight when I get home.

[01:08:15] Ron Penna: [01:08:15] Yeah. It's pretty easy. I think I told you, we have a dog that is now almost 13

[01:08:19] Shannan Penna: [01:08:19] and

[01:08:20] Ron Penna: [01:08:20] she had a tremor. Uh, for what three years,

[01:08:24] Shannan Penna: [01:08:24] high Lake tremor that's been kind of increasing over the last year. I'd say maybe four or five years.

[01:08:29] Actually. It's just started very small with the hind leg and it just, it would increase where she would lay on the couch and her leg would just be going. And, um, I think excitement exacerbated it. You would see it in excitement and things like that. But Ron got on this whole Amiga, we've all taken it and we've sent it to family members where we're getting everybody doing it.

[01:08:48] Yeah. It's the Omega quant test. And

[01:08:50] Ron Penna: [01:08:50] basically what it does is it measures the amount of Omega three, really EPA DHA in your red blood cell.

[01:08:56] Shannan Penna: [01:08:56] But after that, he got her results. So we sent it in, got her [01:09:00] results and they were pretty poor. You'll see the red, yellow, green, where she'd be. And her, we did both of our dogs, our older ones, and, um, really poor in the red.

[01:09:10] Started this whole thing. How many months? Three months, four months and months of consistent data. Daily intake of Omega Omega threes, mainly like the higher DHA. Um, and we retested them recently and, um, we're waiting for that result back. So we'll have, but

[01:09:30] Ron Penna: [01:09:30] the amazing thing is, is

[01:09:32] Shannan Penna: [01:09:32] our

[01:09:32] Ron Penna: [01:09:32] laws we've tested ours and we've played with it.

[01:09:34] And really supplementation is probably the only thing in nutrition that you can literally add something and get a result out of

[01:09:40] Shannan Penna: [01:09:40] it. Right?

[01:09:40] Ron Penna: [01:09:40] Most things are in nutrition or painful. You got to subtract to get things. And about

[01:09:45] Shannan Penna: [01:09:45] a month and a half a month ago, we started noticing her tremor was way less to almost non-existent, it's a rare case when it'll shake a little bit, but to

[01:09:54] Ron Penna: [01:09:54] quantify it, if it was a 10

[01:09:56] Shannan Penna: [01:09:56] before

[01:09:57] Ron Penna: [01:09:57] it sells, like go on.

[01:09:59] And [01:10:00] it's really interesting because that's, you know, neurodegenerative progression. I mean, if anything, it was getting worse over time and we said, how can we reverse this? So.

[01:10:08] Shannan Penna: [01:10:08] Obviously, it's just

[01:10:09] Ron Penna: [01:10:09] a single case. Um, we do have a friend that we did something similar. His dog was having like,

[01:10:14] Shannan Penna: [01:10:14] not hip

[01:10:14] Ron Penna: [01:10:14] dysplasia, but it was starting to drag its feet and lose it splitting.

[01:10:17] Sometimes he took it to, uh, you know, three different specials, canine and veterans.

[01:10:21] Shannan Penna: [01:10:21] They did, x-rays nothing wrong with the hips, knees, nothing wrong.

[01:10:25] Ron Penna: [01:10:25] If we took their Omega levels and his dog super low, he supplemented for about three months. He said wrong until I changed. And I was like, Paul, I don't believe this.

[01:10:34] He sent me a video. Um, and the one nice thing about dogs, there's no placebo

[01:10:39] Shannan Penna: [01:10:39] effect. Right.

[01:10:40] Ron Penna: [01:10:40] So it's really, so anyway, what we're going to try to recruit a bunch of dogs and, uh, with tremors and things, and just see if it's DJ,

[01:10:47] Shannan Penna: [01:10:47] you

[01:10:48] Ron Penna: [01:10:48] remember the movie Lorenzo's oil many, many years

[01:10:50] Shannan Penna: [01:10:50] ago. I've heard of it. Yes.

[01:10:52] Ron Penna: [01:10:52] It it's, it's a movie where basically there was a kid was a degenerate, uh, like D myelination, uh, disease where he's, you know, effectively curling up into [01:11:00] a ball couldn't move.

[01:11:01] And his parents figured out that this, I think it was going to mega nine to rebut it from, um, olive oil. They gave it to him and actually halted the progression of disease. He ended up dying ultimately, but I think they got, um, honorary medical degrees as a result of their research. So. There really is something weird about certain fats

[01:11:17] Shannan Penna: [01:11:17] and,

[01:11:17] Ron Penna: [01:11:17] um, you know, neurodegenerative effect.

[01:11:20] So that's

[01:11:20] Shannan Penna: [01:11:20] that's

[01:11:21] Ron Penna: [01:11:21] so if we put that in the cheesecake

[01:11:24] Shannan Penna: [01:11:24] yeah, the, the, the, uh, the, the detox cheesecake recipe will be on super rated on that. So I'm about to do a new show with four experts, because I think I've discovered the root of my problems. I'll know for sure today I've always known it, but my gut, right.

[01:11:44] I have some, some weird symptoms. I have evidence of nutritional neuropathy, you know, hands and gloves and socks. You know, even my face gets numb from time to time. I know that it gets worse when I eat a lot of carbs and sugar. I know that it gets better when [01:12:00] I stay away from carbs and sugar. And it just baffled me.

[01:12:04] It's like, what is it about carbs and sugar? Well, for the past two years, since I really not been feeling well, and I really don't, I haven't felt well the past two years, um, uh, Lisa has regularly said to me, did you just drink alcohol? And I'm like, like when I go out and drink, I drink, I pull all the stops out.

[01:12:26] I'm not afraid of alcohol. I love it. But I drink infrequently. I drink maybe. Once a month like that. And overall, maybe I'll have two glasses of wine a month at dinner with Elisa. And I said, no, she asked me yesterday. And I said to her, why do you keep asking me? I just woke up. I CA he goes, I just said, I smell alcohol.

[01:12:50] And so when I'm driving to work, I'm thinking to myself, you know, maybe I should stop ignoring this. So I started doing research on something called auto [01:13:00] brewery syndrome. And the research shows that there's a lot of people that are underdiagnosed because they don't prove it provide enough ethanol to show Frank drunkenness, but they have issues with balance which I've developed.

[01:13:20] I just attributed it to my legs. They have issues with neuropathies and neurodegeneration. They have issues with belching all the time. I belt constantly. I, I wake up in the morning. I haven't eaten for 16 hours. I'm belching. So I'm going right after the show today. To any lab test now and I'm going to, to do my own.

[01:13:40] So here's what you do. You take 200 grams of glucose or some sort of simple sugar. Like you're going to do a glucose tolerance test. You drink it and then you draw your blood about an hour later and you'll see what your ethanol levels are. Now. Obviously I can just, I can just, I [01:14:00] can just stop eating starches and sugars and just go full on carnivores.

[01:14:03] But that won't cure me. That'll just pacify me. So I need to find out how do you eradicate these obvious Funguses that's what they are that are causing your body to make alcohol on its own.

[01:14:18] Ron Penna: [01:14:18] That is

[01:14:19] Shannan Penna: [01:14:19] that's going to be

[01:14:19] Ron Penna: [01:14:19] so you'll you'll know maybe

[01:14:21] Shannan Penna: [01:14:21] a week or so. No, no, I'm going to go. I'm going to go today.

[01:14:25] I'm going to, I'm going to go get, uh, like a couple cans of, uh, of real soda. And I'm going to drink them and then I'm going to go get my blood drawn and have them look specifically at my blood alcohol all levels.

[01:14:39] Ron Penna: [01:14:39] And does it matter whether it's

[01:14:40] Shannan Penna: [01:14:40] fructose or glucose? You know, if it was glucose, I guess I could go, I could go pick up dextrose now.

[01:14:46] Um, uh, several of the health food stores have 'em. I think it's Bob red bud or something like that, they sell real dextrose and maybe I would just have like 150 200 grams of deck probably. Yeah. Because

[01:14:59] Ron Penna: [01:14:59] I have a feeling [01:15:00] for just wall won't work the same. So yeah. That's definitely it probably a better strategy.

[01:15:05] Shannan Penna: [01:15:05] Yeah. This is going to be interesting. Isn't it? I'm so excited. You know, every time I stumbled onto something like this, I get so excited and then I find out, Oh, it wasn't that it wasn't that. Oh, damn it. Okay. Let me keep looking. Let me keep looking. And the, and maybe I'm just getting old. I don't know. But anyway, I'm not giving up,

[01:15:22] Ron Penna: [01:15:22] mentioning that Elisa noticed it and said something because you know, uh,

[01:15:25] Shannan Penna: [01:15:25] I've learned, uh,

[01:15:26] Ron Penna: [01:15:26] don't don't ignore those things.

[01:15:28] Shannan Penna: [01:15:28] Women have pretty good regardless. So that's and she knows I don't drink it like yesterday morning I woke up and she goes, did you just drink alcohol? And I said, no, I hadn't even brushed my teeth yet. I was like, No. Like why would you even ask me that I just woke up and then I thought, wait a minute, maybe there's something to this.

[01:15:46] Ron Penna: [01:15:46] You know, it may even be, make sense to get one of those. If you can get a really sensitive breathalyzer too.

[01:15:52] Shannan Penna: [01:15:52] I thought about finding a cop, I thought about I'm writing a motive and saying to me a favor, and then he'll lock me up. Right? He'll go. Yeah, you blew [01:16:00] a three eight. Let's go. Yeah. Cause I

[01:16:03] Ron Penna: [01:16:03] know they do have this really small handheld one, but I think that they test yourself in your car before you drive.

[01:16:10] If you don't see results, it's possible that just, you know,

[01:16:13] Shannan Penna: [01:16:13] if you do it more

[01:16:14] Ron Penna: [01:16:14] frequently, you'll catch yourself in that right thing. Maybe early in the morning,

[01:16:18] Shannan Penna: [01:16:18] you know, you're right. Maybe I should just get they're really inexpensive. I can buy them on Amazon for like $8.

[01:16:23] Ron Penna: [01:16:23] It may actually

[01:16:24] Shannan Penna: [01:16:24] give you a better reading because you

[01:16:25] Ron Penna: [01:16:25] can do it six times throughout the day.

[01:16:27] You might find it is in the morning or no it's in the afternoon or, I mean,

[01:16:30] Shannan Penna: [01:16:30] Yeah, it's a very fascinating,

[01:16:32] Ron Penna: [01:16:32] well, let us know what

[01:16:34] Shannan Penna: [01:16:34] happens. You'll be the first one. Um, anyway,

[01:16:38] Ron Penna: [01:16:38] have you sent your Omega test in yet?

[01:16:40] Shannan Penna: [01:16:40] No, I'm doing, I'm doing it today. I'm going to do it when I get home, I think. Do you have to do it in the morning faster?

[01:16:45] No, no. Anytime. Okay. Cause I take

[01:16:48] Ron Penna: [01:16:48] fingerprints. You put it on this thing, send it in and boom. In a week, week and a half to get results.

[01:16:52] Shannan Penna: [01:16:52] I mean, yesterday I had a pound of salmon. For lunch. Um, and I take on top of that, [01:17:00] uh, about, uh, six grams of high DHA Omega capsules. So it's gotta be intersting you're, you're not, it'll be interesting to see what your numbers say, then you take that much and you've been doing it for a while.

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