[00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of human radio. Today is October 29th, just a couple of days away from the end of the month. And we have a really good show today. Uh, during the first hour, we're going to be talking with Lynn cook, uh, as we do another episode of mussel saves lives, slightly different episode.

[00:00:19] You know, I find that the name of the show muscles saves lives, may pigeonhole. Um, the opportunities. For me to interview people who are truly, uh, rocking it as they age and living a full physical, cultural lifestyle whale, maybe, uh, lifting weights. Isn't the focus. Uh, but nonetheless, they are courageous people.

[00:00:40] We're going to talk to Lynn about her life. And just a moment later in the show, we're going to talk about a study that shows that jet lag. Disrupts the immune system. And, uh, not just as it relates to chronic illness, which people who travel a lot know that they [00:01:00] chronically get sick. They get Coles is a reason for it.

[00:01:04] I'm going to talk about what you can do about it, but there's a linkage to cancer development. Um, people who have disrupted sleep patterns, whether it's because they're traveling across. The international Dateline or they're just going to the West coast and back and forth and fly and fly and fly them.

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[00:02:23] So go to eat legendary.com. Use the code SHR 10, not only to save 10% off, but also let them know that you heard about it here. On superhuman radio. Now I'll bring my guest on and that is Lynn cook. How are you, Lynn? Should I call you Susan? Or should I call you Lynn, please call me Lynn, my friends call me Lynn and I race under Susan, which is why I have to have it there all really now.

[00:02:47] Is that because that's your legal name? Correct. And they always picked it up from the day I started racing because you have to register with your first and then so on middle and last name. So they forevermore put it under Susan. [00:03:00] So I had to keep the Susan Lynn. Right, right. Interesting. Okay. So, um, when did your journey and physical culture begin?

[00:03:08] What made you fall in love with using your body as you and I talked about off the air exercises and artificial replacement. For something we would genetically predisposed to do. And that is to use our bodies day in and day out all the time. What, when did you find this a passion? Let's say. My father was a pro ball player.

[00:03:30] And I grew up in an atmosphere of both my brother and sister who are close in age. And I was a middle child that we always did outdoor activities because of our age. We didn't watch TV. We didn't have a computer and it was playing football, baseball, whatever the case would be. Um, it was outside riding bikes.

[00:03:47] I grew up to understand. Uh, not only was I extremely competitive from the beginning, I would say six, seven, eight years of age. I absolutely loved sports. [00:04:00] Every sport I could get my hands on or, um, into, and it was always competitive and that's where I started my love for it. So did you play sports in high school and in college?

[00:04:12] I I played anything I could get into at the time high school did not allow us to have, we did not have soccer. I tried out for the track team and I was told I was too slow at the time. So I did not, I was not a runner. I went into gymnastics. I was a cheerleader. Um, I was a snow skier. I went to, um, girl Scouts, horseback riding camp.

[00:04:36] I learned to ride Western English. Um, I was a swimmer, um, Everything I could do. I did. Right. So, yeah. And now, so that's been a lifelong, uh, that's been something that's been in your life since the very beginning and correct. And obviously here we are now, and I'm going to give your age away. You're going to be 62.

[00:04:57] You and I are pretty close. Um, [00:05:00] and you still continue to compete. So let's talk about some of your, uh, competitions. You you've traveled the world and competed, uh, in, in running, correct. Correct. When I turned 50, I, there was a, I was a bucket list that I really wanted to run. And even though I was told I was too slow when I went out for an engineer, Scott in junior high, I still wanted to run because when I moved down to Florida, it was everybody had, um, five Ks and half marathons and I wanted to be a part of it.

[00:05:34] So I had a group where I was working that wanted to do, um, a particular half marathon down in Miami. And it happened to fall on my 50th birthday weekend. So the goal was they were going to walk the half marathon and I was going to run it because that's who I am. I'm competitive. I did not know how to train.

[00:05:51] I did not know how. No coach. Um, and I did not really have close friends that were runners, but I was determined to run it. So, um, I had [00:06:00] a treadmill and I would after work, do about, you know, four or five miles watching TV. And I got myself to where I completed that half marathon and I did it well enough that I saw I was within, um, close enough proximity to maybe.

[00:06:16] Beyond that podium. I watched the people on the podium. It got me so excited to say, here's these people with these huge gift backs boxes I can do that. I know I can. And that was the competitiveness that I needed. And I did start training at that point. And that was at age 50. I left, um, road racing after doing, um, you know, very good on the half marathons and the five Ks and, um, succeeding and, and getting overalls and a lot of this stuff and actually doing much better than a lot of younger people, which was surprising because I never knew I had any speed at that time.

[00:06:49] So I started taking it a little more seriously. And I was told at age 56, by someone that I had met at a race that if I picked up track, it would. Help [00:07:00] me with speed. So I joined, um, uh, track group and I started racing on it. And three months later, um, the coach at that time said, you need to try to race USA, track and field.

[00:07:13] I had no idea what he was talking about. I, you know, I asked him several times, can you spell that? I do not know what that is. Which is kind of funny really, because obviously I live by it now. Um, and three months later after first getting on my first track to train, I was at Jacksonville doing nationals in my first race.

[00:07:33] And I did an 800 meter and a 1500 meter without knowing what I was doing. Put on my first pair of spikes, hit the track, ran my heart out and managed a silver on both two minutes behind the gold. Winter. And nobody knew who I was. Um, they didn't know how to say my name. They had no clue who I was. I came out of nowhere and I didn't know what I was doing.

[00:07:54] Um, there is a strategy, obviously, if anybody knows track and how to run an 800 meter on a [00:08:00] 1500 meter, you don't go all out. But I did and I had a ball doing it and I did quite well. So that was the start of it. Um, I then started hitting every track meet I could find. And one year later I actually put together a team.

[00:08:15] And that team is the first large, globally sponsored elite girls' team of masters runners, which is new balance Tampa masters racing team. And I did that because I was surprised that were no sponsored masters women teams out there. And it was just a given people didn't have sponsors when you are our age.

[00:08:35] So, um, That's where I went ahead and put together a plan and met with a local, uh, new balance owner and managed to start up, um, a great team that we still have going at this time. And that's, um, four, four years later  I want to stay with it. So you said something that I'm not familiar with and I'm sure the audience probably is not.

[00:08:57] You said anybody who knows about running the [00:09:00] 800 and the 1500 meters. You know that you don't go all out. Are you saying that you, um, uh, what you, you rate yourself early on and you don't go all out and then you save something for the end or they just don't really run as hard as they could in those races.

[00:09:18] The 800 meter is considered to be, um, the hardest race for middle distance and actually in a lot of races because you are a lot of times it's two full laps on an outside track. 400 meters is your typical outs, outdoor track. And you don't want to give everything you have in that. First lap, but yet it is truly almost an all-out race.

[00:09:42] So if you can consider racing as hard as you can with two full laps in the outdoor sun, it takes everything you have. And more so when I say race as fast as I can, there is a TA a type of strategy where you just leave it a little bit in the beginning and you kind of, [00:10:00] um, Gage yourself, you are pacing yourself, but you're still going all out, but not completely all out.

[00:10:06] So there is a strategy and then the 1500, because of it being three and a half laps, there's even more of a strategy with that one too. Cause I mean, but, but the, so it's kind of a struggle to find your pace, but also stay with the pace. Because who cares if your pace is, is, you know, is six lengths off of the last person.

[00:10:26] It's like, well, I'm running my race. We never going to catch up so that you have to really be, uh, not only have great endurance, but you have to have the ability to do that. Fat. It's keep the speed up as well. Correct. Um, it's it's practice, practice, practice. You are not made by your races. You're made by your training.

[00:10:45] And I know you know that, um, it's what you do behind the scenes that gets you to that gold medal or that American record. Interesting. Um, I have to ask another question, uh, for the women in the audience. We know that [00:11:00] menopause is a really, really big change for the body. Um, so it sounds, did you go through menopause before you started to pick up the idea of competing and running or somewhere in the middle?

[00:11:10] Or have you ever gone through. Oh, yeah. Um, at my age, yes. Um, I really, it was probably right before when I was still, um, professionally working and I don't remember noticing it as much because you have so many aches and pains from whatever you're doing. It's just normal discomfort of, I always lifted weights.

[00:11:31] I've always been, uh, very, um, uh, aware of. Needing muscle tone, no matter what sport I'm doing, that is very important to me because without muscle, you can't do any sports. And that also will keep you younger longer and avoid any kind of, you know, aging, which I have great bones and, um, everything is very.

[00:11:53] Positive in that respect because of the, the weights I've lifted all my life. Um, but yes, um, it is something where I [00:12:00] am not aware of the menopause. So you had, you had an easy menopause, you didn't have disrupted sleep and hot flashes and all that sort of stuff. You're just kind of breezed through it.

[00:12:08] That's very fortunate. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. And, and, uh, and then I want to ask about your diet before we start talking about some of the challenges you've encountered that you've had to work through. So, what is your diet look like? You say you need muscle, you understand protein is important.

[00:12:24] What does your diet look like? Well, you mentioned, um, sugar being bad. I agree completely. Um, I don't even do a lot of fruit because honestly I feel even the simple sugars in the first I am a huge. Yeah, I'm huge protein. And I don't do my carb is very limited. Um, I don't, um, bring in carbs on a regular basis.

[00:12:45] I worked with a sports dietician. Uh, two years ago when I accomplished an American record, I was able to turn two and a half pounds of fat into two and a half pounds of muscle while I was racing on a middle distance figure, which means you have to [00:13:00] be very careful while you're in race mode. When you're.

[00:13:03] Yeah. Yeah. You, you, you make, you make a mistake in your diet and you crash. You can't run as fast as you were able to before. Right? Right. Exactly. So protein is huge. I will do quite a bit of protein. Um, I don't do fake protein as little as possible. I do casein protein at night for, um, slow repair. I do whey protein where it's needed in the day.

[00:13:23] When I need to supplement, I do a recovery drink after. Every type of exercise that use as my muscles within 20 minutes. Um, whether it be my running, my weights, my spinning, my boarding, whatever the sport is. Um, I'm extremely rigid on counting my proteins, especially during race season. It's very important.

[00:13:43] So, uh, I'm glad you mentioned that, uh, the word rigid. Um, so I saved my own life, uh, almost 20 years ago cause I was very sick and I was dying and I convinced myself that I could repair myself and I did, and everybody in the audience knows my story. So we're not going to get into [00:14:00] that, but I had to become militant about what I knew I needed to do for myself.

[00:14:09] In order to achieve my goal. And my, my goal short-term goal was not to have a pacemaker put in that was like the short term goal. And so how is it difficult to build friendships outside of running for you? Or do you have to pretty much stay with the people that you run with? Because no pun intended because they have the same desires and goals and, and, and missions and, and, and they live that same life.

[00:14:38] I have, honestly, I don't have a lot of track friends in this area because my area doesn't promote them. So I have a lot of friends of varied backgrounds. We're all sports people. That's the one thing we have in common. We respect our bodies and we are a fit. Um, you know, some are more fit than others. I am probably one of the more disciplined, but that's [00:15:00] because that's what I choose to do.

[00:15:01] I get up quite early to do my training because I have to seek out tracks where they're available and that's before school, in most cases, um, I go and board right when the sun comes up. So, I mean, there are things that I do that are very disciplined, that a lot of people would not do. Um, but yeah, my friends are the same way.

[00:15:19] What is, yeah. What do you mean. Stand up paddle board. All cool. Oh yeah. You're out in Florida. Yeah, that's great. Everybody does that out there. I have a good friend, Jose Antonio, who does that as well. Um, that's great. So, um, okay, so let's get back to the discussion about your age. So you got started in this particular goal, but you've always had physical goals your whole life.

[00:15:44] And obviously, even though you and I don't want to age. And we do a lot of things to push back on aging in general. And the disease States of aging, the body still has a mind of its own. And it does certain [00:16:00] things. So you you've encountered some obstacles that you just, you just ran through this and it's like, Oh my God, you know, she's amazing, but this was not without obstacles.

[00:16:09] Right? Of course. Talk about your obstacles, please. Okay. Um, I have very little fear when it comes to doing things and I don't mean I jump out of airplanes, but, um, I'll give you some examples. I'm not afraid of getting injured, um, which I probably should be, but in my, and my coaches, um, try to pull me back, but they know better at some point because when my mind is made up, it's made up.

[00:16:34] Um, I do things within. Uh, I, I still weigh the consequences. For instance, I wanted to do steeplechase, um, being that I didn't start running until 50 on track until 56. I obviously have never run a, you know, done a hurdle. And I certainly didn't know steeplechase well, I decided to do this. The same year I was going for the American record on the outdoor mile.

[00:16:55] Um, right. Um, after I did the American mile at 59 and a [00:17:00] half, I had just started teaching myself, people chase in my backyard. I had a barrier built by spec, um, using, um, you who. Or I'd rather, um, you know, I Googled how to do steeplechase cause my coach has refused to help me on that. They did not want to see me get hurt.

[00:17:16] Um, so I actually got a gold medal, um, and my one and only steeple chase, which was at nationals and I did quite well, but I did get injured and I was. I'm headed to Spain, Malaga, Spain, um, three months later and had to race at my first world event, outdoor track, um, on an injury, but I still did it. And if I had not been in the shape, I was in with my muscle tone and my fitness already, I would have had a much worse outcome.

[00:17:44] And. I was able to heal quite easily after that. So that is just one of many I've, um, in snow skiing, which I'm aggressive. Um, I do the black diamonds. I do the moguls. Um, I've had an  fracture, um, repaired and [00:18:00] I do just fine with everything I'm doing. I've had a talus fracture on my other foot. Um, but again, I heal well because I respect my body.

[00:18:09] When I have an injury, I let it go. I give it the time to heal. I eat the proper foods. Um, I get the proper sleep. Um, I do all the things that you're supposed to do for your body to take care of itself. And so these come with the territory. What was the injury that well, first of all, I never watched steeple chase before.

[00:18:30] I mean, with humans, I worked at as a kid, I worked on the racetrack. I, as fact, I lived in Ocala for a short period of time on hobo farms, but I've seen horses run steeple, chase. But I've never seen humans until this girl, this American girl just recently like beat everybody in the steeple chase. And she literally went wire to wire and I'm watching this and not only are they jumping over these hurdles, you know, but they're jumping over into puddles of [00:19:00] water.

[00:19:00] They're jumping into the water and then they have to run through the water. And I thought. This is like one of those, uh, uh, superhero obstacle courses. And these gals were, and this girl, I don't know if you just saw it. It was just on, I would've never known him known about it, but it was on YouTube the other day I was watching it and this blonde head girl, like beat everybody, like  Nigeria and all the people that are supposed to be like the best, but I thought, wow, I've never heard of steeplechase.

[00:19:26] That's probably one of the most interesting foot races I've ever seen in my life. No, I agree. And it, you have to have guts to do it. It's nothing more than guts. And obviously you have to be agile enough to do that. But, um, I had more fun doing that race than any other race. And I still have the barrier. I had to put it in my garage or there I'd be out there jumping it right now.

[00:19:48] Um, I will do it at another point, but I have records to break and, um, when the flats and until I do what I need to do for my goals, that's going to stay in my garage. Talk about the injury that you, you, you hurt your knee, right? [00:20:00] Well recently, this is my latest injury. Um, and that was, it was okay. Um, there was this actually, uh, lifting weights in properly, which I know how to do.

[00:20:12] And I took too heavy of a kettlebell last. 2019 January, um, the beginning and I was doing squats and knowing how to do these, I don't know how I did it, but somehow I did something where my knee was affected my right knee. Now the thing was, we thought my knees were really good, cause I had always had x-rays when needed.

[00:20:34] And they looked great on an x-ray. Um, but I'd never had any swelling, never had any discomfort for what I had been using them for. And. We had to get it suddenly swell up and to the point where the MRI was needed, because it was just not going down. And there was a lot of discomfort and that was in January of 2019, I was scheduled to go to Poland for my first indoor world race, which was huge, had already paid for everything.

[00:20:59] And [00:21:00] that was a huge event. And that was to be in March of 2019. So we wanted to get and see what was going on and found that I had a fourth degree osteoarthritis in my right knee. I mean, fourth degree. And, um, they took out fluid. My sports physician said, I am telling you to scratch. Poland to scratch world.

[00:21:22] I was not going to scratch it. Well, he is a triathlete. So I said, put on your triathlon hats, take off with position hats. Right? And let's talk about this. You actually scratch world. No, after you've trained so hard. So let's figure this out. I won't run at all. To train. I will cross train. I will get in that pool and I will tread water.

[00:21:42] I will run in the water. I will do anything, allow me to do, to get to worlds, but I want to go to worlds. So he said you cannot run period, but you can go to worlds. And the minute you have any swelling or.

[00:21:58] Uh, any injections to get there, [00:22:00] you have to pull out because that means you basically are ruining your knee even more. So I promise to do that. I flew into, um, Torin, um, Poland in March after only doing what he had advised me to do and just did everything in the pool. Correct everything. Okay. Yeah. And I first raised was a 3000 meter, which is 15 laps on an indoor track, 15 laps.

[00:22:25] That was right off the plane. You know, basically two days later, uh, 15 laps indoor track. I manage. Bronze on that one. And then two days after that, I had an 800 meter where we had to do, um, the first leg is where you just have to qualify. I qualified with first out of the gate, again, keep in mind. I'm not even running at all in between, and I have nowhere to swim either.

[00:22:46] So I'm basically just sitting on the sidelines, getting ready for the next race, which you never do. Um, so on the, I made the finals, of course, and then on the finals, I actually got. Gold medal on the 800 meter in worlds and that's on an [00:23:00] injury, complete injury. Um, swell up after that. No. Um, two days after that, um, I had to qualify them for the 1500, which I still had to do.

[00:23:10] And I qualified, went into the finals and managed, um, Abrons on that one too. So I walked away from worlds, not having any running ability, but only the racing that I was told I could do. And I had two bronze and one gold. Therefore being a world champion. Um, I then begged my physician since I had no swelling and no discomfort at that point, if I could continue the process for the remainder of the year promising to get a PRP injection, um, which she wanted me to try, even though at my age, with that type of injury of the osteoarthritis, they had no proof it was going to work.

[00:23:48] We had nothing else we could do. Keep me at an elite level though. Um, so he said he's not happy with it, but if I go through the rest of the season, the outdoor track season, which I was [00:24:00] going to Toronto and to nationals, he would allow it only if I paid attention like I did in the world event. I did, I managed nine gold, one silver for the rest of the season.

[00:24:10] Yeah. With an injury and nursing, no practice, no practice, which is just racing. I wonder, I wonder what that means to the traditional approach, to practicing right up to the race. And, you know, you may have stumbled onto something like you don't have to practice as much. That's one thing I wanted to mention.

[00:24:27] Um, the other thing I wanted to mention is there used to be a physician in Florida named dr. Allen Dunn and he stopped practicing because he's 87 years old. Now he was on my show. Um, Seven or eight years ago. Um, and he has trained a lot of osteo, uh, pods to, to, to do this what I'm about to say. So there is something you can do.

[00:24:51] In fact, I'm going for an injection in my hip very shortly because I have dev I tore the labor in my hip getting too wide [00:25:00] on bent over rows one day. And now four years after that injury, it's starting to bother me. I'm starting to have hip problems. And for people who don't know what hip problems is, you feel it in your groin when your hip is bad, you don't feel it out here where your wallet is.

[00:25:15] That's not your hip, that's your glutes. But so I'm starting to have some problems. So I'm actually going for this because I know it works well. Physicians will tell you that you can't regrow cartilage at our age. It's not it's nonsense, intra articular growth, hormone injections. Intro articulate. So done, worked with NFL players.

[00:25:36] He worked at everybody before he retired. He came on my show. We talked about it. If you get a 20, are you growth hormone injection combined with some high Loron hyleronic acid and, um, a gel medium that they use that. Oh no, no, the hyleronic acid. And now they're even adding PRP to it. That's what it is. If you get that, you get it three weeks in a row.

[00:26:00] [00:25:59] One shot, you know, um, uh, ultrasound guided into the, uh, into the synovial capsule that you've squeezed. And in six months, the cartilage is growing. It's growing. It's not okay. It's not, it's not the fluid from the hyleronic acid. And Don came on the show and talked about it. The first thing that happens is new blood vessels.

[00:26:21] Start to sprout out of the bone where it's bone on bone, and then chondrocyte start to bud from there. And literally within a year you have a meniscus. Again, you have, you have a. A piece of cartilage in your knee. And every time I tell physician friends of mine, they, they immediately dismiss it. They go, you can't regrow cartilage.

[00:26:42] Well, of course you can. If you can turn the neonatal genes on inside the joint that made cartilage when you were a baby in the first place. And that's what growth hormone does when you're injecting it directly into the knee. Now keep in mind. It stays in the synovial fluid. It doesn't get out systemically.

[00:26:58] It's not like it's [00:27:00] affecting anything else in your body because it stays trapped in there. But it's something that you should consider talking to someone about because I guarantee you, it will regrow your cartilage. Well, you know, I would like actually an MRI to see where am I? Because I have not had, I had been racing already.

[00:27:18] In fact, I go in a week for my first indoor, even with this COVID going on, I'm going to be racing in Winston-Salem in an indoor meet and I've already been racing in Houston or Austin actually. Um, I've done a lot already this summer and I've done. A ton of virtual. So, I mean, I'm not having any issues whatsoever since I've had the PRP.

[00:27:38] It really has worked whether it grew anything or not. I don't know. Um, your low, your low sugar diet is keeping inflammation under control. But go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, no, you're fine. Um, we, because of that, Being under a USA track and field and racing at the elite level that I do.

[00:27:56] Um, and also winning the winnings that I do. Um, [00:28:00] gold and world records and or American records. I'm drug tested. I am, um, I have to go by what's water approved. Unfortunately, growth hormone is not either. Injected or no matter how you take it and they would not approve that, even though I understand the benefits, um, I understand the benefits of testosterone too.

[00:28:20] And unfortunately we are not allowed even as aging adults to do any of that. So that is someday. Hopefully they will change that because, um, you know, it's against what you know, and, and I know that you support and I do too, but I, we can't do it. Um, if we want to compete, you know why that said. Because Phil Mickelson couldn't play golf.

[00:28:42] If it wasn't for a drug, I've had this discussion on this show over and over again, Phil Mickelson is not a pro golfer unless he's taking a rheumatoid, right. Us drug and people will say, well, it's a disease. Well, yeah. And so is losing your hormones and a [00:29:00] pause. Pause. These is, these are conditions that the human body goes through the same way.

[00:29:03] Phil Mickelson has antibodies that are destroying his cartilage. We have problems too. And if you can take a drug, because as far as I'm concerned, whatever drug Phil takes for him, his rheumatoid arthritis is so psoriatic arthritis is performance enhancing. If it's not, then have him stop and see if he plays the same level of game.

[00:29:25] Yeah, so it's hogwash. I know, I know. I know, but I, I, I do, I'm a registered nurse and I worked in the ER for many years, but I do understand the principles and, you know, I do agree that there is benefit. And especially at our age, there's nothing I can do to change their mind. I just have to add here with what I'm allowed to and not allowed if I want to raise at this level, which I do, but knowing how to eat.

[00:29:47] Right. Um, I truly believe something like beets. Um, beats, we consider to be the only form of legal doping and I will do whatever I'm allowed to do legally. [00:30:00] Good for you. Good for you. Yes. So I'll do my protein. I will do my beat shots, which I'm allowed to do, and I do 'em to the, by the book. So, um, the PRP is accepted too tomorrow.

[00:30:11] I'm doing a show you'll want to listen to, okay. Because it's not a banned substance. But it is it repairs, bone, it repairs, cartilage, it builds muscle. It's a peptide. And it's a peptide that's given to women who go through menopause when they get dreary and they just don't feel like there's any sparkle in their life anymore.

[00:30:31] It's going to be a really great show for a lot of athletes. So we're going to take a quick commercial break before we do that. People can reach you on Instagram at N B, which stands for new balance Tampa masters. Or on Facebook, they can just look for you as Lynn cook, C O K. We're going to take one quick commercial break.

[00:30:50] We'll be right back with more muscle saves lives, stay tuned.

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[00:34:43] welcome back. We're talking with Lynn cook, masters athletes. Courageous living life, not standing, still a lot of other people our age. So we have a couple of [00:35:00] questions. Um, so this is from brave new order films. This is on YouTube. He says salute from Vegas, uh, from your perspective, how important is the anabolic or metabolic window?

[00:35:15] Many have pushed this as a myth, but I agree with it. The guests that's important. What do you think you did say you have a post-workout drink within 20 minutes of anything you do, right. I agree I'm yes, I do. And I feel that's very important. Um, I was taught by one of my coaches and, uh, he just, he was adamant about that and I take it with me no matter where I'm at knowing I'm going to do a workout, whether it be doing what they call sub stand paddle boarding or at the track.

[00:35:41] Um, it's in my car on ice, uh, and it goes in my system immediately after weather. Um, it's here where I do my weights most of the time. Exactly. But that is something I I'm strict on it. Yes. So what is compri? What is it comprised of? You have some simple carbs in there. Is this at one time when you do use simple carbs or is it just protein?

[00:35:59] Um, [00:36:00] it's pretty much protein. It's a 30 gram protein, which, um, is a huge hit and it's tastes like chocolate milk. It's a very popular brand and that's, I think one gram of sugar. So you don't adhere to that. 40 grams of dextrose post-workout no. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Yeah, because, because back in the day, when, when I first started lifting this whole anabolic window thing was 40 grams of dextrose, 40 grams of protein, a little bit of our alpha-lipoic acid, because theoretically, you also want to synthesize muscle glycogen.

[00:36:35] But the reality is if you're training even intensely with weights for, for 40 minutes, you're not really using that much muscle glycogen. So. That 40 grams is way too much. It just spikes insulin. That's all it does. Yeah, no, I understand. No, I that's. That's all I do is the 30 grams, um, for the protein drink, but I think I'm a little different because I'm not doing the heavy lifting.

[00:36:57] Um, I'm doing a different, you know, on the [00:37:00] muscles. So running, running, running is, is less sparing to glycogen than lifting is running really burns up glycogen fast. I think you're doing it right. To be honest with you. I think the other way was the myth. What about your, your colleagues, your, your competitors that you work with?

[00:37:15] Do they all adhere to the post-workout drink or just some of them do. No, just some of them, I honestly, at this age, you find that it's not very many who take it as seriously as I do. You have to, it's a passion for me. It's something I want so bad. And again, you know, the book, how bad do you want it?

[00:37:34] There's no excuses in my book. I want, I have goals. And to reach those goals at the elite level that I'm at one, 100th of a second, makes a win or makes a gold or a silver. In my case, one, one hundreds of a second, that could be. Anything, you know, you could blame it on anything, lack of this, like of that. Um, you didn't get enough sleep two nights before three nights before not enough protein, [00:38:00] um, or your beat shot.

[00:38:01] You forgot to take. It's just, you have to be very disciplined on everything to get to the levels at this age, especially because you do have more aches and pains, your body is showing that it's. Um, feeling things a little bit more and, you know, I wake up like anybody does where I am maybe a little more sore from the day before if I've done a hard workout, just because I'm almost 62, but that doesn't stop me from what I'm doing.

[00:38:29] Yeah. You know, I, I joke on the show all the time that I, when I wake up in the morning, I kind of look like a caveman. I'm a little hunched over, everything hurts. My legs don't really want to cooperate by the time I get in there, I find a shower. First thing in the morning is the most miraculous thing in the world.

[00:38:43] I don't even need coffee. If I take a shower right away and you know, something for people who believe even grounding, there is really a good effect of grounding. I've seen it with my own eyes. You ground, every time you get in the shower, I I've done this. I've taken an [00:39:00] own meter. Excuse me. And put it in the ground side of a socket.

[00:39:04] Don't try this at home kids. I don't want to be responsible for them by getting electrocuted and put the other one under the stream. And it goes to ground. So because the water is going to the earth somewhere. Even if it's in plastic pipe somewhere it's in metal and that ground is being carried through the stream of water with it.

[00:39:23] The beads are so close together. They're continuous. And so you ground every morning, but I, I think the shower is the first there's what snaps me out of the caveman mode. Um, so faith, faith, fitness guy comment, he says great point about Phil Mickelson and it being a performance enhancing drug. It absolutely is, but it's big pharma at the difference.

[00:39:46] They, they, they have, uh, they, they get special, a special things. So, um, and something else that you just said is, um, is, is important to hit on this. Isn't just in performance either. But [00:40:00] as you get older, you have to do everything right. When you were young, even in your forties and into the early fifties, I'm speaking from my own experience, I could maybe not sleep so well or miss a couple meals or go out drinking on a Saturday night and then train Sunday morning.

[00:40:20] And I was just strong and did everything I wanted to do and robust, but something happened when I turned 60. When I turned 60, it was like, if, if I went out and drank at drinking on a Saturday night, I couldn't train again until Monday. Like there was no, there was no way I was going to the gym on Sunday and Monday was even questionable.

[00:40:40] I would take two days off. Sometimes when you get older, you have to do everything right. Would you agree with that? Absolutely. In fact, you need the rest days, you need to do either active recovery or true recovery, and that you listen to your body. And as you know your body, most of us know our body who is on, you know, who are on your show.

[00:41:00] [00:40:59] Um, you have to get used to your aches and pains, and when it's telling you it needs a rest. Stay, you need to take it. Um, especially as a master's and as an older athlete, because otherwise you're going to get to a point where either you're going to get injured or it's going to break. I mean, it's just going to be worn out and you're not going to get to the level of what you need if you're trying to get to a certain goal.

[00:41:19] So, um, I listened to my body absolutely every day. What does active recovery for you? Active recovery is going to beach and doing standup paddle boarding for a couple of miles or it's spinning or it's. Um, I have a Peleton room. I built a Peleton room, not just during COVID, but because it's a great way for cross training, I believe in cross training.

[00:41:40] And that is my active recovery. I have a Peleton tread. I have, um, yoga. I have, uh, the spin bike. Um, I do, um, Obviously my weights are not active recovery. That is just part of my training, but I'm active recovery is any sport that I want to do. That is not part of my actual training, such [00:42:00] as boarding out, uh, open water, swimming with the group, uh, pool swimming, things like that, where I'm not truly training, but I'm relaxing.

[00:42:07] I'll take and go lap after lap, after lap with my earphones on for just like this massage effect in a pool. And that to me is active recovery. I'm not doing it for the training purposes in this case because I'm not injured right now. What about Shauna? Do you believe in sauna? Do you ever use the sauna or you don't have to.

[00:42:26] I I, if I had it available, absolutely. Um, I believe in it. Sure. But I just don't have that ability. I don't use gyms right now because I built my own gym. Not only the Peleton room, I have another separate gym for my weights. Um, because I take it that seriously and I have my whole life. I decided at this point, if you don't have a gym close enough, you're not going to use it.

[00:42:46] And I don't have, um, and I've learned that my whole life, because I've been a member of a gym my whole life, whether it be LA fitness Valley, you name it. Um, every gym I've been a member of, that's been in my area where I've lived, but I [00:43:00] found at some point when I had the means and the space that building my own gym was going to get me in there more often, no excuses.

[00:43:07] There's never need for an excuse. You could do two a days with no effort. If you have your own gym, right. You just take a break for a minute and go down to the gym for 30 minutes and bust something out. Exactly I do that. I can do, um, two, a days for our training purposes, many days. So some days I'll spend almost the whole day different piece of training if I need to.

[00:43:28] So, um, it's all good. Well, many years ago I had the author of the book. Uh, see Olga run all the coal Lanco. I think her last name was . I might be mispronouncing her name. Have you, are you familiar with who she is? I'm familiar, but I'm not. Um, because of my short time in being in this field, I don't know everybody that everybody else does.

[00:43:51] Um, I'm still learning, but I am familiar with her name. Yes. So she, um, was a runner. She, she started running late in life. Um, and I [00:44:00] think she was still running. I think she was 92 when she ran her last race and. Um, she was very inspirational to a lot of older people, whether they were runners or not, because she was showing that, you know, you don't have to just get old and stop doing stuff.

[00:44:18] You really don't have to. You can, you, can you have a choice in it? And I didn't know if you were familiar with her book, her book history. Fascinating. She used to wake up early in the morning, um, just to. She would lean forward and she would start at her bottom of her calves and she would stop. She would massage her legs in bed because she learned that when she got right out of bed, her legs, you know, they were stiff and she didn't like that feeling.

[00:44:47] So she, she did deep tissue massage on her legs so that when she stepped out of bed, she felt fine and she didn't realize, Oh, I'm getting older. It's very fascinating. We have, um, when [00:45:00] I go to these USA track and field meets, the most inspirational thing is not the six year olds like myself, not the 50 and the 40 year olds, the hundred year olds.

[00:45:10] I mean, literally hundred plus year olds that are still out there running. They may take a little longer, but I'm telling you, these people are competing and they are a hundred plus the 90 year olds are out there too. And the 80 year olds out there too, but. This keeps you young. And the fact that these, you don't feel like you're, you have, you know, this age limit, the ceiling is way up there for how long you could keep doing this.

[00:45:35] Once you stop though, that's when you get old and you just have to keep on going and it does get harder, but you find ways just like she did that. You work with your body, you listen to your body and it will work with you and for you. Um, it'll keep on going as long as you treat it right. So, um, when I was my strongest, when I was powerlifting, I had a habit, [00:46:00] I would train first thing in the morning.

[00:46:04] I would eat a post-workout meal and then I would go home and I would take a nap. I would take a nap, not a long nap, maybe 30 minutes. You know, I would fall asleep after that meal. And then I would spontaneously wake up and maybe it was 30 minutes. Maybe some days it was 20 minutes. Some days it was 40 minutes.

[00:46:22] Drove my ex wife crazy by the way. But, but, um, I did it because instinctively, I knew that it's what my body needed after the training I just did. And you know, when we think about wild animals, we like to talk about paleo people like. Paleolithic ancestors. They sat down and played and fell asleep under a tree whenever they wanted.

[00:46:43] There was no social construct that said you're lazy, get up and do something, you know? And, and when we look at the big cats, right, what do they do after they catch a gazelle and they eat for a while they go find the shade tree, they lay down, they fall asleep. [00:47:00] I'm wondering if you, if you have a, uh, investigated or experimented with.

[00:47:05] With midday naps at all. Absolutely. Um, many of us do that and I do that. I have the luxury because of being retired. Um, I say retired, but I am working harder now with what I do than I was when I worked, um, I took early retirement a couple of years ago when I was, unfortunately, the day before my 59th, I was given the choice of, uh, early retirement and I took it to pursue my passion and my dream, which is wonderful.

[00:47:31] But I absolutely, when I have the ability I take a nap and it does refresh you. And then I continue training if that's needed, but I break up my day. Um, I feed my body. If my body is tired, I absolutely take a nap. So I want to take a break. And when we come back, I want to explore with you. Social constructs that are actually stealing our health and our vitality that like that, like the ability to just take a nap without being judged or [00:48:00] somebody saying, Oh, you're lazy.

[00:48:02] You know, there's other things in our lives that are stealing our life from us. I want to talk about that when we come back. Yes, stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio

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[00:51:54] Welcome back later in the show, we're going to talk about jet lag. [00:52:00] This, this interview. Isn't about jet lag either. I want people to understand this. Disruption of circadian rhythms puts your immune system at risk and is Le leads to higher cases of specific type of cancer like colon cancer. So in order to be a champion, you have to be solely focused on your goal.

[00:52:20] Some people think that's very narcissistic or selfish. We have a lot of social constructs today that get in the way of us living our best life. Or we, I see all these memes live your best life, but no, one's really living their best life. Right? Because living your best life is living your life the way you are the architect of.

[00:52:44] So like we just said, Oh, you go to the gym, you take a nap. Right. Social constructs say, that's not right. You shouldn't do that. There are lots of other social constructs, right? When you go out to dinner with friends, you're supposed to drink, you're supposed to stay up past nine o'clock or you're a dud watching [00:53:00] television all night long, being on the internet all night long.

[00:53:03] These are all social constructs that I feel impede a person's ability to actually live their best life. What do you think about that? Oh, you hit on something. That's big with me. Um, as I've aged, I've learned not to care as much. And one of the things and I, this to me falls along the lines of what you're mentioning.

[00:53:24] It's a hot button with me right now. And I use my timeline, even though I'm sponsored by several sponsors. And I'm very careful, obviously. Because I give back to my sponsors and I want to make sure I'm not controversial to any large degree. I still don't lose my identity. And I, I showcase myself as an athlete.

[00:53:46] Um, I have built myself to the point where, um, I'm not shy because I am fit and I do like to be feminine, but still, um, Portray an athlete [00:54:00] and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't have to dress where I'm covering up my body just because I'm 62 years of age. Um, if I have abs I'm going to show my apps because I've worked very hard for those.

[00:54:10] And I run around a track in a little tiny kit, the same kind of outfit that you would wear in a bathing suit, that a beach, you know, a two piece. Um, but I am not shy with that and I do it as an athlete, but I have a lot of people who don't think that that's appropriate for necessarily my age division or my age group.

[00:54:30] Um, I don't care. I've gotten over that and you'll see that if anybody goes to my Facebook or my Instagram, um, I do it classy. I do it as an athlete and I do it to showcase the human body as, um, a fit machine that deserves to be shown off, um, in the proper way. That's all. Well, I, and one of the things I love when you said that is that hairstylists always want to cut women's hair.

[00:54:56] If they're of a certain age, Oh, we got your hair. Shouldn't be long. [00:55:00] And it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And I don't understand where that comes from. Why? Like a woman has a beautiful head of hair. And it's attractive and she manages it. Well, why should she have to have short hair? Because she's a certain age.

[00:55:14] There is no guideline that I follow. That's written in a book right now that says, this is the age you need to do this. This is the age you stop wearing a form, fitting a Cleveland showing, you know, I will do what I want to do. I'm always tasteful. I'm always classy. And I'm always who I am. I don't follow any rules like that.

[00:55:34] So what's the future look like? Are you training right now for anything special? I know you're going to do a deeper dive on looking at the knee and what's going on and it could have been, you could have just ended up with some severe inflammation in that knee at that time. And it subsided too, because it's bone on bone inflammation looks like arthritis, but when the bone inflammation goes away, the bone recedes.

[00:55:55] So what's next for you? I have a meet next week, [00:56:00] indoor track race. Um, that is up in Winston-Salem two weeks after that I go to, uh, Houston for an indoor track meet. Um, I'm then, uh, at the one week after that, I go for an outdoor track made and then hopefully 2021, depending on what happens with things in our world.

[00:56:17] Um, I'm going to go for some records. And my first record will hopefully be on indoor mile. World record that I'm going to be going for. Of course, those are all, you can throw them out there all you want, but until you actually break the record, you, um, you know, don't have the record. So we'll see, but I, I'm going to pick off record after record, and those are my goals and I'm going to do and do them in several diff distances.

[00:56:38] Indoor and outdoor. So I have a lot of things on my plate. I'm hoping that the environment will cooperate with me and if it doesn't, I put it on hold until it does so that I am training. So let's summarize how many world records do you hold right now? Now the only, I, I. I actually have one American record, which is outdoor [00:57:00] mile.

[00:57:00] Yes. Okay. Um, and sometimes we differ. Yeah. Sometimes there is a world record and an American record, or sometimes they are one in the same. In this case, there are two, um, it's just the American record. Yeah. Okay. So you're, you're, you're shooting for more, more records. That's the, that's the goal. And, and I know a lot of people always probably ask you this, but.

[00:57:19] Do you think you'll do this forever? Um, I want to do I have a passion for it? I, I am a show off. Um, however you want to put that, but running around a track gives me such pleasure. And if you want to call it a show off factor, I enjoy it because I am. Good at it right now. Um, if I ever change, I may choose to go into something else, but, uh, if I keep my health and my fitness, I will continue aging and the age division.

[00:57:49] And I don't see that I'm going to necessarily get worse. Um, I'll get slower as I age, but so does everyone. Yeah, the whole field does, so you'll be right. You'll still be the [00:58:00] fastest person of this, of the slow people. That's all right. That's the goal. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. I think you've done wonderful thing.

[00:58:05] I think that you're a model for everybody. To pay attention to who's aging. And I also think that it's important for people to start to understand, you know, here in the United States, we complain, Oh, well the Asians, they, they put so much, uh, value in the older people. Well, maybe we would put more value on older people if they stepped up and did amazing things that older people don't typically do.

[00:58:30] One thing that when you go to worlds, um, you see how the other countries put their aging athletes, um, on a much higher level. And they really do make them the stars where in the us, uh we're you know, we're very few and far between unfortunately, and yeah. We're not quite as focused as the other countries are at this point with.

[00:58:52] And why do you think that is? Do you think it's because our older athletes give up at some point in time, they Cashin, they get fat, they get slow, they start doing, uh, [00:59:00] um, what's that? Um, Australian dream, uh, elbow cream, you know, commercials. I mean, think that's what it is. I think if you ask your audience right now, how many are aware of what I'm talking about today?

[00:59:14] Um, a lot will not be aware. They probably thought you gave that up in high school and college that you no longer race around the track as a 60 year old or 70 or an 80 year old. And that there is actually a world with it. And that's because the us doesn't promote that. We really don't showcase our, our track athletes at an older age, nor the USA track and field.

[00:59:35] Um, part of it. So I think if they put a little more, um, into the, not necessarily marketing, but showing that this is something we can get into at an older age and actually become accomplished, then it would do better. And the other countries already have, have done that. Lynn, thanks for making time to come on the show today.

[00:59:53] Thank you very much for having me. I had a lot of fun. Good take care. We'll talk soon. Okay. All right. We're going to take a [01:00:00] quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to change up the discussion. Because we're going to talk about jet lag and how it affects the immune system. But again, don't say to yourself, Oh, I don't really travel.

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[01:04:31] Welcome back to superhuman radio. Welcome to the show dr. Carl Carla Finkelstein. How are you? Hey guys. Thanks. Did I pronounce your last name properly? That's fairly. Okay. Yeah. It's Finkelstein. That's good. Are you from Israel? Uh, no. My family is originally from Argentina, born in Argentina from mix of European countries, uh, [01:05:00] pies from European different European countries.

[01:05:02] Um, lived there until I moved to the us for, uh, my, um, Studies and then, um, remain here in Denver, but I'm really over the war. I mean, well, because of the spelling, the speed, the way you spell your last name is I have a friend who's from Israel and he spells his last name the same way. Yeah. Yeah. My family is from there.

[01:05:25] Yeah. Okay. Well, welcome to the show. So your study is very, very interesting for a lot of reasons. I don't know if you heard what I said a moment ago. I know that your study was on. Jet lag, but the reality is, uh, any circadian disruption, uh, could put a person at risk for a faulty immune system. Yeah. So, but let, let's talk about your study.

[01:05:48] Why did you do this study? What research proceeded this, that you felt that this needed to be done? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to totally ride car. So, um, First of all. Let me tell you [01:06:00] that, like you said, misalignment, I mean the displacement of the circadian rhythms by let's say, night shift work causes, or is responsible for a member of the CSUs and I'm a cancer researcher.

[01:06:13] So I was particularly interested in between the connection between disruption of the circadian rhythm and the onset of cancer. And there are numerous studies that shows that women's working night shifts. Or flight attendants, for example, or women's working in factories or in retail companies. Um, they all have a higher risk of developing breast cancer and Cola, ankle, and colon cancer too, is associated with night shift.

[01:06:42] Right? Absolutely true. I call them cast colorectal cancer and prostate cancer in men. Very recently. So, um, but really ever can, it started with breast cancer, to be honest, because that, those were kind of the very early studies. Actually, some of them, they go as far as 1950s [01:07:00] and, and, and really when you start putting all the pieces together, you realize that the common denominator is this night shift work.

[01:07:08] That basically what, what it causes is this misalignment between your physiology or the environment. And then is when the big polling begins because we are 24 hours creature living in a 24 hour cycle. And then suddenly you are forced to, uh, be active and work at times over the day where you should be rested.

[01:07:29] Okay. And then, uh, someone took this, these kind of observations very seriously and launch it launch at a huge study in earliest or mid seventies that is called the nurses study. And the nurses study recruited a subsidy like 275,000 nurses, or, you know, book genders. Right. And they follow those nurses for over 30 years and they find out that, um, you know, there were this strong correlations between, um, you know, the incidence of coronary heart [01:08:00] diseases, um, cancer, um, obesity.

[01:08:05] Okay. Okay. That's the one I was waiting for. You said so, so th I believe in my simple brain, and I'm not a scientist, that all of the things that we're learning about what this disruption of circadian rhythm does to us negatively all spurs from the fact that we become spontaneously insulin resistant.

[01:08:29] There was studies done so many good studies done. Uh, with, uh, doctors who had to work, uh, two consecutive shifts and they, uh, one beat one sleepless night. They had the blood sugar levels of an 80 year old management of 80 year old. They did it with Olympic athletes when we had the Olympics in the Northwest.

[01:08:50] They took high level Olympic athletes. They, they short sleep them five hours a night for three hours in a row. They were spontaneously type two diabetic. So I really think [01:09:00] that this is where all of these other problems are an offshoot of the fact that we B we become metabolically inflexible. Well, yeah, we, we were totally messing up our metabolism.

[01:09:12] That is out of this Cashin, um, our hormonal release. I mean, if you think something very simple, right? I mean, one of the reasons because you go to sleep is because your melatonin levels are very high and thus the hormone that shuts down everything and tells you, you just need to go to sleep. Now, when you're exposed to a lot of the fetal light, melatonin is suppressed.

[01:09:32] But because melatonin is suppressed, estradiol is released from the ovaries and this is a hormone that basically tell the cells, divide, divide, divide, divide. Now, if you though this kind of night shift, once in a while, you know, like you need to work at night or something, and that is something spontaneous that is not gonna end up in a major disruption, but when you're exposed to a chronic, a.

[01:09:55] That is why things become an issue. And, you know, it's such a point since it's [01:10:00] such an important point that just to give you an idea, they measure on agency on, on research and cancer. Um, that is an European agency, you know, with 16 different representatives from different countries. Um, they actually label, um, night shift as a potential carcinogenic.

[01:10:19] And there are regulations in France, England, and Sheridan that prevents people from working night shifts for too many years. They cannot work for example, in professionals where they stay night shift for more than four or five years, for example, and you're not, and you're not allowed to do what you just said before.

[01:10:36] Switch, you know, one day you are night shift worker the other day, your day shift, work goals, right? This, this continuous resetting of our internal clock. It is what actually is confusing our systems. You need to think that, you know, you have, everything is regulated in your reign. Okay. Um, through a little piece of tissue called the suprachiasmatic [01:11:00] nucleus about the size of the size of a bean, it's about the size of a bean.

[01:11:03] So rice off a bean and you know, and basically what this guy does is tell the other organs. Okay, this is nighttime. This is daytime. Let's synchronize our physiology and let's synchronize our behavior. Now, when you mess up with that and gets all confused, it says confusing signals. So you're your slave as he laid there.

[01:11:24] So your organs. They're all confused. Imagine, imagine this car, you just take a plane and you go to Spain, right? They are six hours ahead. The first thing that you do all more money, professional airplanes. They actually arrived early in the morning. So the first thing that you do is okay, I need to stay awake.

[01:11:41] Okay. Don't go to sleep. Managed to stay all day awake until you crash at night, right? That is okay. After a couple of days you synchronize your sleep awake Potter, right. But one thing that you don't see in Carnarsie immediately is your liver, your intestines, your kidney, to the new time zone [01:12:00] for the woman, your digestive system is going to be working like if you were at home.

[01:12:06] Okay. And by the time that you get adjusted, if you're saying only one week in Europe, by the time that you adjust all those systems you're coming in and now you're going to do it all over again for a week there. So, so then, then you imagine how bad this is for flight attendants, for example. Um, so, and pilots, pilots to pilots.

[01:12:29] So, so how, how sensitive, how sensitive is this disruption? If I'm just flying from New York to Los Angeles, that's three hour difference versus flying to Europe where it's 17 hour difference. Well, how does the three hour difference hurt too? Yeah. Yeah, it was that you are around three days to resynchronize everything.

[01:12:50] I mean it's, it's, it's totally bad. And that was one of the reasons because we started this study, I mean with, okay, well, let's, let's try to, let's try to check [01:13:00] which ones are the reasons by which this, this diseases can arise. And then you can not try this obviously with, with a human. So you use an animal model and what we did in this animal model, basically we misaligned a Italian clock.

[01:13:14] We create an artificial jet lag. So every two days. We have these animals, uh, movie six hours ahead on the day. So we gave them a pause of six hours of night, every two, two days. So that creates an artificial jet lag. It's you know, it's, it's, it's equivalent to something like flying 21 flight songs. It's like we put up, we put a, my ski and we tested in Japan.

[01:13:35] Right? Okay. So, so we get the animal, we get the animal for like three weeks in this condition. And then we have obviously the control animal that stays 12 hours on the light and both hours in the dark. And then what we did after those three weeks is both groups of animals. We injected cancer cells that we know that those kinds of cells, they actually grow much faster.

[01:13:58] If there is an immune system that is [01:14:00] compromised. Okay. So both the animals were injected with the same amount of cells, everything. If there is no effect of this Ukrainian rhythm, The tumor, we grow in the animal exactly. In the same way. Okay. So we get the animus in this kind of craziest schedule. And what we found out is that the animal that was in the chronic jet lag.

[01:14:20] Okay. Had it two more degrees of six times faster and, and UN higher, I mean in size that the other animal okay. Of course died. Fuck. Right. I mean, it's just. We went down until the little details, you know, we just, we just, we want to know exactly what happened there. And we found that not only the environment, that the environment around the tumor was completely removed and the new cells were not doing the job that some of the cells are supposed to be app and fighting the tumor wore down.

[01:14:51] And the ones that causes inflammation, where app, we found that the new system per se, was all confused and sending the wrong signals. And when [01:15:00] you have an immune system that is confused and send the wrong signals, the immune system does not operate efficiently. And when that happens, the two more takes control.

[01:15:09] Right? And, and trust me, these two more cells are super fast or taken advantage of absolutely anything. They're actually an F evolutionarily. It's been shown that cancer cells and tumor cells are evolutionarily superior. To QEs itself. They, they, they, they leverage everything. That's good for healthy cells, tenfold to grow faster.

[01:15:33] I mean this, I mean the study is it really, I hope it really brings the attention that is we, are we humans just with our own behavior. We are affecting so much of our own physiology. Okay. And, and, you know, Don't take me wrong. I do understand that there are jobs that need to be done at night. I mean, you need to keep the doors open.

[01:15:57] Okay. But maybe a solution [01:16:00] would be very simple. Just change the light intensity and change the quality of light or blue blocking glasses. They could just wear a blue, blue blocking glasses. That's it. Yeah. Or use like that they have more that, that, that, um, that, uh, right more on the red spectrum and that's it.

[01:16:19] I mean, the same thing that we do in our cell phones. What about, so, so there was a study that was done on co colon cancer about eight years ago. Uh, they came to the supposition that it was the lack of melatonin that was causing these cancer cells to grow faster. What about just like, like when I travel to the West coast or to the East coast, I artificially try to synchronize my sleep to stay on my own clock.

[01:16:47] I don't change my wristwatch. I use blue blocking glasses earlier in the day and I'll take melatonin. What about melatonin is supplementing with melatonin, help offset some of these problems you think. [01:17:00] Well, it's a good question, actually. Um, the studies with melatonins are, are kind of debatable in the thumb in terms of cancer.

[01:17:08] Um, there are some studies that suggest that there is this link, you know, and like I said, in the case of breast cancer, it cannot make sense. Um, but those studies were done in  okay. And humans. So there are a number of, of issues that, um, Suggest that we need to do really more comprehensive studies to completely link melatonin to any of this.

[01:17:35] Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Melatonin may not have an intrinsic effect. It may have some extrinsic effect at this point. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But your idea of maintaining, you know, your clock, your internal clock, when you are traveling is, you know, especially if it's for a short time, it's a pretty good idea.

[01:17:55] Yeah. I mean, the problem that we have is that, um, [01:18:00] you know, unfortunately, We are either not aware of very much about all these problems or, or we choose to ignore them for four core reasons that we live in a Western society where we need to do things, you know, that we don't get that we don't want to do.

[01:18:17] Yeah, we do things we don't want to do. I mean, the idea situation is like, w well, the farmers used to the right wake up when the sun rises and go to sleep in Sunday. Okay. So that's the ideal situation, then you will be the healthiest individual. Okay. But the reality is that at night, some people watch as a movie or some of us, we ended up working late at night because it's the only time where you actually have time to concentrate or, or whatever.

[01:18:43] Right. But just by shifting our, our rhythm. By being exposed, those extra hours to light, we are completely the synchronizing our body. This is called in our social jet lag, you know, as, as a jet [01:19:00] lag yet you create no because you're flying to any place. It's just simply because you have a social activity that keeps you awake and exposed to light for longer hours.

[01:19:12] You know, 80% of the population is exposed to light after hours. And, and if you really think that around 20% of Europeans on 29% of the us population are night shift workers, um, we are talking about a seniors problem. So, but it's a serious point that happened easy fix. Right, right, right, right. Because if you said, okay, got let, uh, sure.

[01:19:41] We still need night shift workers and I'm going to say, yes, we do need them. But if you can change the light intensity or you can, you can have, I have, I have a, uh, a light spectrometer on my phone, very good measures in Kelvin and everything like that. And so I started to, when we first started talking [01:20:00] about blue light and how it impedes circadian rhythms, I started paying attention to my environment.

[01:20:08] Interestingly enough, the newer more advanced light bulbs led a halogen. These throw a lot more blue light and incandescent the old fashioned light bulbs that they're trying to get rid of today. They're perfect. They throw more red than blue. They throw almost no blue at all. And so, cause I thought about this, it's like, well, we used to back in the old days they had fires.

[01:20:33] Well, the fires don't throw blue light. And now we have, and we had incandescent lights. We didn't have these problems. The new lighting too has a lot to do with it. Yeah, you, you actually, you actually can have some of those led lights and that screen, right. That can filter the light. If you want to do energy, you know, savvy and try to try to protect the environment and everything, you can have one of those lights and then you have an extreme, I mean, if [01:21:00] you, you probably noticed that, uh, some, some computers that they don't have any kind of light.

[01:21:06] S, uh, controlling system, they offer the markets cranes to put on, or like you said, what were those goggles or glasses that helps? I mean, Honestly, it's a very easy, it's a, it's a very easy way to, um, to, to control your physiology. And another thing that is important is the diet. Um, this is something else that is, is, is, is not trivial.

[01:21:33] I mean, we know at what times of the day something processes take place. Okay. And we know that ideally you don't want to eat. I mean, based on scientific facts, you don't want to eat. One is dark, right. Right. Okay. So in fact it is, there's a core is cool. That that is really based on some of my colleagues, science, that they did it.

[01:21:57] If I've got to work that shows you that, and [01:22:00] efficiency and diet would be that one in which you eat pretty much whatever you want during the day, as long as you don't eat at night and you've left. Yeah. Or 14 or 16 hours. Exactly. And see, I do that. I have my last meal at 6:00 PM because I want, I don't want to end up with Alzheimer's disease and there's a L there's a linkage to autophagy in the brain being shut off if you eat a meal too close to bedtime, but anyway, so, um, are you familiar with dr.

[01:22:29] Thomas C fried? Um, he is, uh, an oncologist who wrote a book cancer as a metabolic disease, and he's done some very interesting research and he, and his theory is, and he's, he has some good science behind it. That cancer starts when the mitochondria becomes a glycolytic it, because it goes undergoes anaerobic respiration, and it just wants glucose, glucose, glucose, but they're awesome.

[01:23:00] [01:23:00] It could also use Bethenny new Oxo can use glutamine, uh, some of these, uh, highly Glucogenix amino acids, but the premise is that. Once the mitochondria breaks, that's when the uncle genes turn on and we have cancer. Did you look at mitochondria of, uh, of, of these rodents that were, uh, subjected to jet lag at all?

[01:23:22] Did you see anything in their mitochondria? We have no look at the mitochondria. Um, It's true that the mitochondria is that regulated in cancer cells. That is what is called the war for a Warburg. Right. Um, so basically what cancer cells they do is they actually have a very inefficient way to produce energy.

[01:23:43] Um, which is strange because you might, as you might expect that cancer cells that use so much energy in dividing, they, they would have a very efficient way to produce energy, but they managed to go through around all these other. Pathways that you mentioned and, and, and collect enough energy. We have now [01:24:00] looked at the mitochondria as effects.

[01:24:01] And one of the reasons is because, um, the plan that you have when you have a cancer cell is that there are too many things that they're they're regulated. Right. Okay. And then everything goes back to, you know, it's kind of catch 22. What is stars? What is the first thing that causes this problem? Okay. For example, if you tell me Cadillac is, is so you can't even drink them enough to actually.

[01:24:25] Cause cancer. I mean, it's just done it off on the, on the light. Would that be, I mean, if you really think it is a genetic disease, unless you have an uncle gene mutated, or if you have his tumor Superstore, mutator, you have, what are those genes mutated that they regulate metabolic processes in the cell and everything, nothing is going to happen.

[01:24:44] Okay. But if on top of that, you add these kinds of disruptions, then you're, you're given a particular fitness advantage. Do those cancer cells. And because you get that fitness advantage, the cancer cells overpower anything [01:25:00] else that is around, right? Basically you are creating a most there that is more efficient simply by, by controlling, uh, um, the, the controllers you are actually downplaying the molecules that can the tumor, right?

[01:25:17] So that's where you're going. It's like if these guys keep. Keep the cancer in check. Right. And it can no move from here. And by, by modifying the environment, you're reducing these guys. Then you are allowed the tumor to grow faster. Right. And that's what happened. I mean, I don't think please don't take me wrong because it's true.

[01:25:35] Cancer is a genetic disease and you do need those metabolic changes in order for the disease to progress. Right. But where you're creating here is a situation in which you favor. That environment more than anything else. Right? So the tumor cells are super smart, but just go and take advantage. So the reality is that while this.

[01:25:57] Study was labeled jet lag [01:26:00] every single night, millions of people in this country, um, turn on their TVs, open up their refrigerators and watch TV and eat until two, three o'clock in the morning. Then they go to sleep. These people are creating an opportunistic environment to develop cancer. You, you are absolutely correct.

[01:26:20] That's exactly what happened. You don't need to take a plane. Do I actually suffer a chronic jet lag? You can, you can actually artificially creating this in your own house by, by being exposed when you shouldn't be exposed. See, and this is scary because I'm old enough to remember that television stations went off the air at midnight.

[01:26:41] I'm old enough to remember really? Okay. I'm old enough to remember stores not being open on Sunday. I'm old enough to remember that store's closed at 6:00 PM. I'm old enough to remember that there was a as much downtime for the population as there was uptime, but today [01:27:00] all we have is uptime. No. I mean, it's like that, it's exactly what you said.

[01:27:07] I remember those days very well. And, and, and the problem is that there's an expectation about that, right? I mean, also it's like, you know, you know how many people, it stays online just with, I dunno, Facebook posts, nothing useless. Right. And then it's, uh, you know, like I said, I mean, if the simple solution is just putting on a screen or controlling the light effect is fantastic, but the reality is that, um, I feel like, I mean, if, if you really look carefully, there are a number of cancers that are more prominent in Western societies.

[01:27:43] Um, specifically because of this kind of problems. I mean, in Europe, they do have regulations for example, that you should know work after 6:00 PM. I mean, they do have policies in place go to France. I mean, in France, um, you know, you are not obligated in any way [01:28:00] to even check your email after 6:00 PM. Uh, they don't expect that you will be, uh, in any way, um, uh, available for work.

[01:28:11] Anything like that. I mean, yes, we, unfortunately we hear, once you usually learn on the, on the, you know, Well, look at, look at, look at, uh, uh, uh, delivery companies, ups and FedEx and overnight. And I mean, they have entire factories filled with people, pushing boxes from, from, from, from 10:00 PM, till 8:00 AM the next morning.

[01:28:31] And these people aren't sleeping. And a lot of those people are then going to other jobs after that or going to school cause they try to attract. Oh, school-aged people and pay their way. It's really gotten, it's really gotten pretty crazy in this country. And it's not the expense of health. It's all at the expense of health.

[01:28:50] Yeah. One thing that, you know, I remember running on a study with some nurses and I was like, I just had these question. I, and I asked them whether you work at night and, [01:29:00] and I always got the same three responses in different order, but the same fear responses. One was I get to see my kids early in the morning before they go to school.

[01:29:09] Okay. I get better pay. Okay. And I don't see my boss. So my boss, and it's funny. So I was like, you know, you ask any of this, women's working at night. And I was like, well, it's very stressful for your body. What would you do this? And they always pointed three things. And the problem is that I bet you this woman's they go back home.

[01:29:35] They put their kids on the school bus and they probably crash. Right. Okay. Right. And that's terrible. That is, that is absolutely terrible. And I mean, I, I'm using woman's son as an example, simple because we focus on breast cancer, but these are folks who absolutely anybody obesity. Uh, there are some very good studies that shows that you, it must have what we're giving the same intake of calories at different times of the day.

[01:30:00] [01:29:59] One develops obesity and the other one does. Right, right, right. I mean, our metabolism is so fine tune to the environment that these changes are causing completely reversal of our, um, the way that our cells there's evidence that eating actually triggers some of those clock, uh, mechanisms. So like, if you have you starving, if you starve yourself all day long, Your body takes that as a cue that Oh, the day hasn't started.

[01:30:31] Yeah. Yes you are. Correct. In fact, one of the key cues is food for reliever. Okay. The same way that light or temperature is a really good cue in genital, you know, uh, for the suprachiasmatic nucleus, uh, food is the cue for, for the liver. So if you go to Spain and you want to synchronize your, uh, your, um, label so that your, your GFI intestinal track faster, you probably want to [01:31:00] skip dinner and have only breakfast when you arrive there.

[01:31:03] Right? Um, so that, that will help to synchronize your, your system faster. Right. But it's, it's, um, you know, it's, it's complicated because for example, let's say that you're a flight attendant right. In the old days. I don't know if you remember, but in the old days being flight, I think that was really cool because it was, if you were an international flight attendant and there were six hours, um, jet lag, then the company we pay you for six days.

[01:31:31] And the home plate. And then in the place that you arrived, okay, Europe was paying and you will get six paid, full pay days in his pain and through your, your, you readjust your clock and then come back and then they were tossed off his studies show the show that that is the worst case scenario, because by the time that you resynchronize and you were messing up again, right?

[01:31:55] So nowadays. Uh, these bikes, I'm pretty sure that fly it in attendants. [01:32:00] I'm not happy about this, but th the truth is they arrive in the morning and they're coming back at night. The following, what I mean when those, they probably meant they're probably exhausted. Um, uh, but that's the only way that you can more or less.

[01:32:16] Um, or that you can avoid the worst possible thing. Now you're have completely misaligned in your cook and it still is a lot of stress for your body. It's a re it's a really rough profession. I respect pretty much. I, I have a friend, a very close friend who just retired from Southwest airlines after 35 years with them.

[01:32:37] And, um, And, and so he, one of his complaints all the time was, you know, he'd be out flying for three days. He'd come home. By the time he got a good night's sleep, he had to leave again. And now that he's retired, he's having real trouble sleeping at all. And we just talked about this this morning. I said, Billy, maybe it's because your circadian rhythm [01:33:00] has been so disruptive for 35 years, that it's going to take you a while for your body to kind of find its homeostasis again.

[01:33:08] Yeah, you're absolutely correct. Actually, when I was at JS, it's probably to have a sleep study done on, on your friend, uh, in my, in my house, on fragmentation, on the sleep or you, I have some, you know, some other issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. I mean, another disease that is very, very much associated with these kinds of, uh, is heart attacks, cardiovascular diseases.

[01:33:33] Cardiovascular diseases are very, very common and people that have this kind of misalignments. I mean, you know, most, most of the heart attacks are cure between six in the morning at 9:00 AM. Right. Okay. That's the book and that coin with a, with a peak of hybrids, but see, but see that, but see, here's an interesting fact about that.

[01:33:49] So people who are non dippers. So every night, your heart is supposed to hit a very, very low point. And then it starts to rise back up. And that usually [01:34:00] happens in the, the, the, the last third of sleep where REM sleep happens. And so on those people, they don't have that dip that, that we're talking about.

[01:34:11] They have a heart attack instead because the heart never relaxes all night long. Yeah. It's very sad. This is really fascinating stuff. It's very, you know, it's amazing because you know, we all in my field, we look at the molecules and what happened inside one cell and you know, how old is connects and Abe, how eight docs to be and what happened at these no prison.

[01:34:33] But at the end, what you have is an individual that is exposed, who environmental changes, and the cells need to read that environmental change and try to do the best they can to actually balance and buffer those changes. And I think asking this house to do this continuously is too much. And at one point this house, they can not handle over a candidate [01:35:00] ever again.

[01:35:01] And then what happened is that, you know, that the system, the system can not buffer this problems is when we see that the development of these diseases and the more chronic with both our body, to these kind of situations, the worse it is. Yeah, fascinating stuff. Dr. Finkelstein. I want to thank you so much for being here today.

[01:35:20] This is really good work you're doing. I just don't know unless someone becomes enlightened and cares about their own health, enough to stop doing the things that are bad for them. I don't see this changing. I mean, you know, when we look at, in the United States, when we look at what healthcare costs are, Cancers are a huge portion of that heart diseases, huge portion of that.

[01:35:42] We're talking about something that those two are offshoots of it. So I just don't know how it's going to change. And I'm going to let you, uh, go with one more thing for you to think about, and it's how to use our circadian rhythm in the benefit as a benefit [01:36:00] for, for treatment. Okay. For example, there are certain drugs that they're giving to patients at time of the day.

[01:36:08] Okay. Which is simply convenient because you are awake, but it's not convenient because the target for that drug is present at night. Okay. And then you, hours of the day, you are present, you are exposed to a drug that is useless. It's doing nothing because they thought I get is not, there is probably some other problems in your body, right.

[01:36:30] So, so they leave a of medication. Okay. At a specific time of a day to make things more effective is another issue that is important to take into consideration for therapeutic, especially for cancer patients. Interesting. Okay. You don't want to give a cancer patient, a drug that is going to get the DNA replication, for example, when the cell divides.

[01:36:55] Right, right, [01:37:00] right, right. And the solution is going to, it's going to be okay. Let's give the patient a higher dose and then you have a patient with more side effects and a worse quality of life. Fascinating. Okay. That's fair. So all those things are important that we balance, right. And get to sleep on time.

[01:37:18] Go to sleep. When the sun goes down and wake up when the sun comes up. Uh, dr. Finkelstein. Thanks. Thanks for being here today. No problem. Take care and that's it for today's show. Hope everybody got something good out of it. And if you did, please share the show with friends, help somebody be stronger, live longer tomorrow.

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