[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a really, a really good show for you today. We got a celebrity on during the first hour rich Caspar. He's going to join me in just a moment. Uh, later in the show, we're going to talk about a little trick, uh, for those of you who like to drink during the holidays like me, uh, how to avoid feeling horrible.

[00:00:18] Uh, taking steps backward and your diet and, uh, and, and also waking up the next day, feeling ready to go again. But that's later in the show. First we have to thank our title sponsor, legendary foods. The website is eat legendary.com. The code is SHR 10. You'll not only save 10% off of everything they have there.

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[00:01:01] I actually wore a green hat, a camo hat, but I forgot it picked up the green screen. So. It looked like there was things dancing on my head. So I had to go without the hat tonight. Uh, but without further delay, let us bring Richard Gasparyan and, uh, how you doing rich?

[00:01:17] Rich Gaspari: [00:01:17] Good. Good. It's uh, I'm I'm in the middle of I'm here in New Jersey.

[00:01:21] I, you know, I live on the Bay and there's a big monsoon going on right now. So I don't mind that you may hear like heavy rain.

[00:01:28] Carl Lanore: [00:01:28] Yeah, I know. It's crazy weather all over the United States right now. Truly weird. We were supposed to get snow here in Kentucky today, so we'll see what happens if it

[00:01:35] Rich Gaspari: [00:01:35] was four hours.

[00:01:37] Carl Lanore: [00:01:37] So. Um, we're going to talk about something that is kind of a secret, but it's out in the open. It's one of these secrets that seems to be out in the open. Um, very few people pay attention to it. When I, when I posted about this show this morning, um, people had all sorts of ideas of what we were going to talk about, but I don't think any of them realize what we're going to talk about.

[00:02:00] [00:01:59] So part of being a professional bodybuilder is, is stage presence, right? Yes. And, and part of that is preparation for stage stage presence, which is posing. Yes, but posing and flex work in and of itself provides some sort of difference in the CRO athlete's body than the average gym warrior. Given, given the gym warrior does everything that the pro does except.

[00:02:33] He's not really working on posing. He's not flexing, he's not activating those muscles. So did you, did you realize at some point in your career that you were getting benefits from the posing and the flex work that you were doing?

[00:02:49] Rich Gaspari: [00:02:49] Definitely. You know, it's funny that we were talking about posing and I think it's very important, especially in today's, uh, bodybuilding that many of the [00:03:00] current amateurs.

[00:03:02] And even some pros are really not, uh, taken advantage of, of really using posing as a method to get their body to become much harder, uh, more dense, um, being able to control your muscles a lot easier when you're on stage, you know, people work hours and hours in the gym there, you know, dieting and. You're doing all this prep and it's all to be on that stage yet.

[00:03:32] They're not taking advantage of it. And some of these people are either lazy or they don't know the benefits of what posing doesn't. And when you asked me, you know, when did I know the benefits of posing? I think I came in in a good era, you know, I, I feel I'm liking the,

[00:03:50] Carl Lanore: [00:03:50] yeah. I just lost your audio. We just looked okay.

[00:03:55] We lost your audio for a second. You good? Can you hear me? Yeah. Now I can now can,

[00:03:59] Rich Gaspari: [00:03:59] is [00:04:00] there something wrong with the box?

[00:04:01] Carl Lanore: [00:04:01] Nah, you're fine now. Good. It just dropped out for a second. Good. So, because I want to, I want it can

[00:04:06] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:06] ask you this question. What's going on with the volume.

[00:04:08] Carl Lanore: [00:04:08] Can you hear me? Can you hear me rich?

[00:04:15] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:15] Um, you can't hear me? I don't know. I don't know what happened. It just, all of a sudden. Somebody was calling into my phone.

[00:04:22] Carl Lanore: [00:04:22] Oh, okay. Hold on

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[00:04:24] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:24] second. Okay.

[00:04:27] Carl Lanore: [00:04:27] Okay. Can you hear me now?

[00:04:28] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:28] Now I hear you. Okay. So,

[00:04:30] Carl Lanore: [00:04:30] so back in the day, there were lots of, um, fathers of physical culture who believed in dynamic tension work.

[00:04:38] Yes. Talk about that and how that, that kind of was the precursor to the whole idea of the gains you can get from doing posing work and flex work. Right.

[00:04:48] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:48] Definitely, uh, you know, dynamic tension. It was funny. What was that course back in the day

[00:04:54] Carl Lanore: [00:04:54] Angelo system, Liano Charles, Charles

[00:04:56] Rich Gaspari: [00:04:56] Atlas, you know, and it's funny when I was a [00:05:00] kid that was one of the first courses I bought.

[00:05:03] You know, cause I wanted to, you know, I wanted to not to have people kick sand in my face. Right.

[00:05:09] Carl Lanore: [00:05:09] And then the girl leaves with you. Remember the girl leaves him with you then. Right.

[00:05:14] Rich Gaspari: [00:05:14] You know, that was probably the beginning science that I learned about, you know, posing in dynamic tension and holding poses.

[00:05:22] But really in the gyms that I trained at, I really did learn a lot, um, with the old school by $8 that, you know, posing was a very important part. Of displaying your body, but also, you know, having muscle control. And I felt it was a secret weapon where I was known as the, as the most dense, most ripped bodybuilder.

[00:05:45] I felt that it was a secret weapon for me because I would spend hours and, you know, not 15 minutes, but you know, an hour, hour and a half, two hours sometimes in opposing room going through mandatory poses, going [00:06:00] through. Transitioned poses going through my routine and doing it over and over it. And if you think posing is easy, I was totally, you know, winded, sweating.

[00:06:14] It's not easy when you're really in there, you know, holding your muscle. But I did feel it was an advantage because when I was on stage, I literally could stand there on stage and through time, start to fill out because I started getting. You know, picked,

[00:06:29] Carl Lanore: [00:06:29] right. And then you'd get up there and you'd pose your, yeah.

[00:06:32] The bustle bellies would get filled with blood and you'd get harder and harder.

[00:06:36] Rich Gaspari: [00:06:36] Wow. Wow. Because it was going against it. Didn't do that. They actually would look good at the beginning and start to shrink. So I would improve through the time on stage. So yes, I believe it was a big part of my success. And it's funny, Carl, because it was so big in the late eighties, nineties.

[00:06:56] And then little by little, I think a lot of it had to do [00:07:00] with them, not scoring the posing round. And as soon as the IPB FTC stopped scoring the posing round people, you know, the athletes then said, well, it's not important for me to go through this routine. That takes a lot of time. So they stopped closing and I think it's coming.

[00:07:18] I think it's coming back now with the classic physique and you know, some body builders. You know, Sergio liver jr. Is a good example, right. He's really into the posting. And, you know, he's, he's like a historian when it comes to bodybuilding because of his dad. So I hope that he comes back, but I definitely see a difference on someone who poses and who doesn't.

[00:07:41] Carl Lanore: [00:07:41] So, so let's talk about this for a second. Um, So there's a lot of gym rats out there that train very hard and they, they, they seem to achieve a certain level of muscularity, but you're right. They don't get that density. That density seems to be missing for some reason. How many hours [00:08:00] a day or how many days a week and hours per day did you do flex work?

[00:08:07] Dynamic tension work, posing work as a regularity?

[00:08:12] Rich Gaspari: [00:08:12] Well, In the off season, I would, I would do posing more. So just the gym after say I did a set of like, you know, lat pull downs. I would then do like a lat spread to practice a lat spread to get my body. And the nerves used to like hitting that pose. And if I would do say like a row, a barbell row or dumbbell row, I would then practice doing my back shots in between.

[00:08:41] My sets. That's what I would do in the off season. When I got around 12 weeks out from a show, I started posing at least four days a week. Um, you know, going in the room for about 30 minutes, 40 minutes, and just going through [00:09:00] mandatories over and over and over, and then coming up with a routine, usually, you know, three months out, I would come up with my routine that I would do for the Olympia, for the Arnold.

[00:09:10] So. Posting was important off season. I would do that in the gym, in between sets three months out, I would start then practicing just the posing, you know, whether 30, 40 minutes after my workout and the little by little as the show got closer and closer, increased my posing more and more and more aware. I was telling you I would post, I would do double splits training in the morning.

[00:09:37] I would do 45 minutes of posing after I was done training, come back in the afternoon, train again, then do another 45 minutes to an hour of closing.

[00:09:47] Carl Lanore: [00:09:47] Do you think there's a different value to, um, and you know, I know people listen to, as they go and posing, these guys are talking about posing. Like this is the secret weapon, but you have done the stand something [00:10:00] nerve innervation into muscle is the difference between 160 pound guy who can squat four times his body weight, and a guy who could barely squat his own body weight, because the more nerve innervation you have, the more inroads you have into the muscles nerves.

[00:10:17] The more fibers you fire. And I would say, and you can correct me that that happens when you constrict the muscle and hold it like that for long periods of time, regardless of the weight that you're handling. And so do you think there's a difference between. Flexing that muscle holding that muscle tense post-workout versus fresh.

[00:10:40] Like, okay, I'm not even going to the gym today. I'm just going to work. I'm going to do an hour and a half. I'm going to hit every pose I need to hit. I'm going to do the transitions. I'm going to really, like you said, dripping sweat an hour and a half of posing, you think is a different value to one versus the other.

[00:10:56] Rich Gaspari: [00:10:56] I mean, I think so. I mean, when you're just [00:11:00] doing it after, you know, after your set of your work and when you're already pumping. Um, it just gets your body's, like you said, your, your nerves used to contracting or hitting that certain pose, getting your body used to going through certain transition poses.

[00:11:17] When you're in a room by yourself, posing, you will definitely see your body get harder. As you continue to pose. You get more of that. I call mine to muscle connection that you're able to control. You know your muscle that you're hitting. Like I was able to put in, you know, no lie, put a half inch on my arm.

[00:11:38] My arms Euro was my, my lagging body pride, good triceps, but not real big biceps. You know, I think competing guys like Albert Beccles and Robbie Robinson. And I had, you know, I had good, good arms, but not great arms. And I really had to like pose my biceps to really get that contraction. So it showed, you know, a [00:12:00] peak when I went against guys like.

[00:12:02] Guys who had really, really great arms. So I believe it really did help me a lot and, you know, and muscle control. And like I said, it's, it seemed to be a lost art, you know, even vacuums, very difficult to do. If you don't practice a vacuum, it was funny like four or five years ago, top pros. I talking to the guys like Kai green, um, you know, branch worrying, Phil Heath.

[00:12:29] I asked him, Hey, do you do a vacuum? They had no idea on how to do a vacuum. And these are, these are mr. Olympia's mr. Olympia contenders. That couldn't do it. It seems to now change. I know you remember what Arnold actually said, something that the, that the competitors look like refrigerators.

[00:12:47] Carl Lanore: [00:12:47] Right? Right.

[00:12:48] Rich Gaspari: [00:12:48] And, and he was, you know, you know, the IBP and MPC was very upset that he made those comments. But a year later there was a difference because. You actually saw [00:13:00] bodybuilders starting to hit, you know, uh, vacuums starting to hit, you know, their poses better. And I'm happy to see, like through the classic mystique that they're starting to come up back

[00:13:17] Carl Lanore: [00:13:17] part.

[00:13:17] Part of that problem is also the sheer amount of calories that today's. Uh, top bodybuilders are eating, give them a distended stomach, just processing all that food. It makes it virtually impossible to produce a vacuum. Back in your day, there was still a certain level of aesthetics, you know, you'd think of Shironda and guys like that, you know, they still had that narrow, narrow, narrow waist.

[00:13:41] You know what I mean? They didn't have that big bulging gut yet. And a lot of people want to blame it on drugs. I don't think it's drugs because we see this. In the general population too, within they're not athletes and they have that same distended

[00:13:52] Rich Gaspari: [00:13:52] stomach. No, I, I agree with you, you know, working with professional athletes, [00:14:00] you know, the difference that you said is like the body weight I would be at, at my, the highest body weight was two 20.

[00:14:08] You know, I see guys at my height at five eight, five, nine at two 60, you know, so there are another 40 pounds more muscle. And then, you know, I've had athletes. That represented, you know, that represented disparity like flex Lewis and branch Warren. And I watched these guys eat. I couldn't believe the amount of food they had to consume, and it was the only way to keep that kind of muscle.

[00:14:32] So you're right. When I talked to a guy like branch Warren, you know, you can't do a vacuum. He goes, well, I'm eating like two steaks and you know, three baked potatoes and vegetables, and then another two steaks or a half pound of chicken or fish. And I, it you're right to gain that much muscle. You have to consume more food, but what's going to happen.

[00:14:52] It's going to make it very difficult for you to have that smaller waste. Yes, I, I, I actually, it was funny [00:15:00] because I try to get bigger because I was going against Lee Haney and, you know, eight time mr. Olympia, who was much, he was taller, but also more broader than me. And I was trying to beat him at his own game to be bigger.

[00:15:12] So the one year I try to get bigger. My obliques got sicker. I was, I was bigger. I was 10 pounds more bustle, but the issue was that I was, I still came in second that year, but they said if I continue going on that route of getting bigger, that I would be, I would be put back because I had to keep that waste to, um, you know, show her the differentiation.

[00:15:37] It started. I started looking more blocky. And then, you know, the Dorian era came about and, you know, with the Dory and Yara came about, he was all about being big, you know, and, and it just, it changed the sport. I think from the Dory era, from the mid,

[00:15:54] Carl Lanore: [00:15:54] did we lose you again? Somebody call it somebody calling you again, help them get it.

[00:15:59] There it is. [00:16:00] There it is. Yeah. There you go. You're back. You're back. Can you hear me? We have to wait. He's getting a call on his phone.

[00:16:09] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:09] Are you there?

[00:16:10] Carl Lanore: [00:16:10] Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

[00:16:11] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:11] Oh God. I'm not sure why that happens every time

[00:16:14] Carl Lanore: [00:16:14] somebody calls you. Yeah, you'll just have to wait for them to hang up.

[00:16:18] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:18] Oh God.

[00:16:23] Is it good? Now

[00:16:24] Carl Lanore: [00:16:24] I can hear you. Can you hear me? No, it's not. Hold on.

[00:16:32] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:32] How's it. Now

[00:16:33] Carl Lanore: [00:16:33] I can hear you. I've always been able to hear you, but you can't

[00:16:35] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:35] automate, still doing that.

[00:16:43] okay.

[00:16:43] Carl Lanore: [00:16:43] Okay. You hear me? Yes, no, yes, no,

[00:16:51] I don't

[00:16:51] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:51] want to leave and come back.

[00:16:52] Carl Lanore: [00:16:52] I'm sure. Technical. Well, if you want to, you can leave and come back. I'll I'll I'll take a commercial.

[00:16:58] Rich Gaspari: [00:16:58] Oh God,

[00:16:59] Carl Lanore: [00:16:59] let [00:17:00] me see something here. Oh, it's okay. He's going to come right back.

[00:17:05] Technical difficult. He's doing the interview from his phone. Um, he was able to, unable to get to a computer fast enough. He should be coming back here in a second. I think what we're going to do is take a break. Let's do this. Let's take a commercial break. We'll be right back with more. We'll discuss more of this topic with Richard Gaspari.

[00:17:22] Stay tuned. We shall return evolution just got kicked up a notch.

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[00:17:37] Rich Gaspari: [00:17:37] white by.

[00:17:38] Carl Lanore: [00:17:38] Oh, is that what it was? Okay. Okay.

[00:17:41] Rich Gaspari: [00:17:41] All right. Close to the storm. Not I'm trying to figure out to just use, what do you call it? Um,

[00:17:49] Carl Lanore: [00:17:49] the cells to cell service a cell. Well, you're good. You're good. You're good right now. If it happens again, I'll just take a break.

[00:17:55] So this is, this is the other thing I want to talk to you about. Can you hear me okay? Can you [00:18:00] hear me rich? He can't hear me. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[00:18:05] Rich Gaspari: [00:18:05] Call me on the phone.

[00:18:08] Carl Lanore: [00:18:08] Um, Text texts have John Romano texts me. Oh, hold on a second. Hold on. I got a private chat here. This has being, it is a disaster right now.

[00:18:21] Sorry folks.

[00:18:22] Rich Gaspari: [00:18:22] Oh, now I hear you now. I hear

[00:18:23] Carl Lanore: [00:18:23] you. Okay. Okay.

[00:18:24] Rich Gaspari: [00:18:24] Okay. I'm really sorry. It, it, there's a huge storm here.

[00:18:28] Carl Lanore: [00:18:28] Yeah. It's okay. Don't don't even sweat it. So the other thing I wanted to ask you about was this, there were a lot of people that can't get to the gym right now.

[00:18:37] Rich Gaspari: [00:18:37] Yeah.

[00:18:37] Carl Lanore: [00:18:37] You know, between COVID and the holidays or whatever.

[00:18:40] What do you think about using flex work at home? Like getting, get saying, here's what I'm doing. I'm doing, I'm doing 30 minutes of cardio and then I'm going to, I'm going to hit all these different poses. Do you think that would be a good replacement for going to the gym?

[00:18:56] Rich Gaspari: [00:18:56] I'm not sure it's going to be totally good to, um, you're not going to [00:19:00] grow you.

[00:19:01] You could get harder. Uh, you could get denser, uh, but you're not gonna necessarily grow from just doing posing. You still gotta hit weights, you know, to put on, you know, the bulk, the put on bulk Russel. Right. Overall. But yeah, I mean, I think it could keep you in shape where, you know, if you're, if you're just trying to look fit, um, That doing a Posey can definitely help you.

[00:19:27] Carl Lanore: [00:19:27] It'll keep you from maybe losing muscle. Now, what if somebody wanted to start incorporating this type of work and they don't want to retain a posing coach? What, what, what, what are the, the poses they should learn? I mean, they can go on YouTube and find them.

[00:19:45] Rich Gaspari: [00:19:45] Yeah, I would just go to YouTube and first get the mandatory poses, learn every mandatory post.

[00:19:52] That you will have to do for, you know, your competition and that's, I, you know, it's funny because classic bodybuilding is [00:20:00] different from normal bodybuilding, um, because you, they don't do a lat spread, which is w which is different. Um, they don't do a side tricep, they do a side chest, they do a front double bicep, but let me, let me just go with bodybuilding bodybuilding, you know, you practice your front double bicep, front lat spread.

[00:20:21] Abdominals in thigh side, chest side, tricep backed up a bicep back, lat spread. Um, and then, you know, practice your most muscular, you should at least know all those mandatory poses from there. What I did, you know, as a kid and we didn't have the internet, you know, I would look at magazines and look at, you know, unique poses of summer by bodybuilding heroes.

[00:20:48] You know, whether there were three quarterback poses or, you know, arm extended side arm extended or auto was famous for, uh, and practice those poses. And, you know, I always [00:21:00] tell people, you know, you have to practice in a mirror, you need to take photos of yourself to make sure you're, you're hitting the right angle of those poses.

[00:21:08] But, you know, what's really what makes posing, uh, Very unique and entertaining is the transitions. You know, people don't realize to go from a front double bicep to a, what are double bicep, a one-arm bicep. You know, you want to train, you want to go through that transition so that it's very smooth. And, you know, guys that were so good at it, as you know, like ed Courtney was very good at it.

[00:21:35] Lila Barada. Was an excellent transitional pose. It wasn't the pose itself. It was the transition from one pose to another that's the art opposing and, you know, people don't look at that and listen to music. You know, I was a very hardcore bang bang pose because I was, you know, I had that dead muscle. So I wanted to really shock the judges.

[00:21:59] When [00:22:00] I hit a muscular, I wanted everything to just like pop, right. So I hit those kinds of shots. You know what I post, that's what people have to really look at and analyze. I need it. It seems like just guys are just not doing that. And I'm hoping that it changes, which I'm seeing, you know, like I said, with classic, it is changing.

[00:22:22] But I, I liked T board it

[00:22:24] Carl Lanore: [00:22:24] well, and when you, when you go, what? So when you go from a transition, let's just take what you just said. So let's say you go from a front, double bicep to a single bicep, the other arm, as it's moving to where you're going to end up, you have to keep those muscles tense the whole time, right.

[00:22:39] Rich Gaspari: [00:22:39] The whole time. But you want to kind of like, as you go from a double bicep and then you're transitioning to a one or a bicep, you want it to flow, but you also want to. Uh, like you said, you're, you're constantly tensing your body as you're going into that transition. So the transition itself [00:23:00] is a post go from one post to another post to go from a front bicep, double bicep into a three quarter back is again it's, uh, it's the transition itself is to pose as you're going into the movement.

[00:23:16] But it has to be a very smooth transition that you want to practice a lot. That's why, you know, you know, practice makes perfect at anything and it really does have to be practiced more and more to really get that going. And it is more entertaining. I, you know, I've watched shows of like, you know, smaller pro bodybuilding shows and it was really boring.

[00:23:40] It was almost like they were just going in there. Hitting a double bicep hitting, uh, you know, uh, you know, uh, most muscular going on one side of the stage hitting, PO's go to the other side and I'm going, like, that's like what I did when I did guest posing, not what I did, a routine that you would actually choreographed to the music itself, you know, hitting to the [00:24:00] beats and, you know, Like I said, I'm, I'm an old school bodybuilder that likes to see me more of that

[00:24:07] Carl Lanore: [00:24:07] artistic, autistic,

[00:24:08] Rich Gaspari: [00:24:08] that artistic.

[00:24:10] And I, and I'm not going to say I was like the best poser, but you know, when people see my posing to today's posing, they're like, Oh my God, you were like this unbelievable poser. I said, I was like a medium poser, you know, too good. You know, I, I mentioned other bodybuilders like Lee Labrada. Bob Paris, ed Corey, you know, these guys really made it an art form that, you know, when you watched it, it was, it was just very cool to watch.

[00:24:40] Carl Lanore: [00:24:40] Dr. George Julianos is watching from Greece. He says, posing is an art and he's right. We were talking about that right now. So yeah. Um, would you suggest to people who have no intentions of ever stepping on a stage to invest time, go to, go to YouTube, look at the compulsory poses, learn [00:25:00] them, practice them and start to incorporate them into as part of their training.

[00:25:05] Rich Gaspari: [00:25:05] Yes, definitely. You should definitely incorporate posting into your training. You know, you do, is this what I, you know, I said earlier, you do all this work in the gym. You know, in, in training hours, you know, you know, training your chest, your triceps, your back, but you're doing all that training. And then you have to go on stage to display your body and you don't practice that display your body.

[00:25:30] All that work becomes useless. So it it's, it, it should be practiced. And I, and I've beaten a lot of great bodybuilders because they didn't practice posing. Here's another thing, you know, when you are practicing, posing, That dynamic tension is going to make the muscle harder. It's going to peak better.

[00:25:49] You're going to be able to have more endurance when you're in a show. You're also going to look at your body and analyze your weak points to your strong points. So when you hit say, [00:26:00] you know, a front double bicep, There's ways of doing it to make yourself look more aesthetic, whether you do it with a vacuum or whether you kind of do it slightly twisted, whether you do a front on it, all depends on how your, you know, your physique looks.

[00:26:16] And, and that was another thing that I did as I really practiced the post, took a picture and we didn't have phones that I have a camera.

[00:26:25] Carl Lanore: [00:26:25] Right.

[00:26:27] Rich Gaspari: [00:26:27] I had a Polaroid camera that I would take pictures of each post. To make sure that pose look perfect. So my front double bicep that I hit look best on my body compared to whoever I was supposed to get Lee Haney or Robbie Robinson, or who Lee Lee Labrada.

[00:26:45] I made sure that I perfected that post on my physiques.

[00:26:51] Carl Lanore: [00:26:51] So I want to talk about something now that you kind of mentioned this because you're right. When, when you learn how to pose you, you learn how to [00:27:00] adjust certain physical anomalies. Maybe your skeletal system is a little whacked on your left shoulder.

[00:27:06] And so your left shoulder is a little lower than your right, but when you're standing in front of the judges, you have to make them look like they're the same. So by taking pictures, looking in the mirror, hitting that pose, you may raise. This shoulder just a little bit, but you're not appropriate acceptably.

[00:27:21] You've got that memorized where it needs to go. That's where it feels like it's supposed to go. But I see a lot of guys, especially guys like me, I'm, I'm, I'm really like Frankenstein. I feel like I have different body parts from different people. Like what do you do if your left shoulder is just as strong as your right, but it's just not as big.

[00:27:41] Rich Gaspari: [00:27:41] Then you, then you display your better shoulder, you know, and I was, I, I had one arm that was a half an inch bigger than the other arm. So I always displayed my bigger arm. And then what I did, the squalor arm, I actually twisted so that it was slightly more forward. So they looked, you know, on [00:28:00] stage, they looked like they were even are the same size, because that's what I'm saying when it comes to display your body.

[00:28:06] Because I had this anomaly of one arm bigger than the other. I try to make them look as even as possible on stage by having, you know, a camera, take a picture. And then if I adjusted by angling a little bit forward, you don't have people angle each other to make themselves look bigger. The same with your physique.

[00:28:25] If you slightly angled yourself, where if your right arm was bigger, you would bring that slightly more back in your. You know, your other arm, you would bring more forward, you would make them look more even, you know, on stage. So that, that was something I did, you know, I didn't have the smallest waist. So what I did is I always did twisting shots when I did a double bicep.

[00:28:45] So that made my waist look much smaller. You know, if you know, hitting a straight on double bicep, you know, it wasn't my strong point. So I had to show it the way I look my best. And you know, when I was talking earlier, [00:29:00] You know, I eat a lot of great body builders that probably have better genetics than me, because I was prepared on that stage.

[00:29:07] You know, another thing is when you pose and you practice that posing, you are a lot more confident on stage when you go on that stage and you're posing and you haven't practice, you, you, you seem like you're not that confident, right? Unless the guy is a genetic freak, you know, he's going to beat you. But when it's very close between two guys, And you're more confident you're going to beat that other guy.

[00:29:31] And, you know, I looked at bodybuilding when I was at that elite level, any small percentage that was going to get me to be slightly better, I was going to take advantage. So, and that's something that I still see today's bodybuilders. They don't do. It's like I watch a guy hit up, you know, I don't know, side chest.

[00:29:51] And I'm like, You're doing it wrong.

[00:29:53] Carl Lanore: [00:29:53] You know,

[00:29:55] Rich Gaspari: [00:29:55] dude, I've tried it, get them to learn. And these are, these are elite bodybuilders that are national [00:30:00] qualified bodybuilders and they're not hitting that pose. Right. And I sit there and I practiced with Deb and they're like, wow, what a difference on how that angle changed?

[00:30:10] The look it made my chest look sicker. It made my arm look bigger. And these are things that. You just have to do it by practicing and look in the mirror. And that's it. See, that's the hard part. When you talked earlier about, you know, what's the secret, the secret is work

[00:30:28] Carl Lanore: [00:30:28] to work,

[00:30:28] Rich Gaspari: [00:30:28] right? You guys just don't want to do the work.

[00:30:32] You know, it's very hard when you're on a low calorie diet, low carb diet, and you are like dying, you got through your work. And I said, okay, now you're going to go 45 minutes in a room. In practice posing like hell with that.

[00:30:46] Carl Lanore: [00:30:46] How long do you hold some of these poses? And do you hold them when practicing longer than you anticipate you'll need to on the stage so that, you know, you have the endurance to stay in that position.

[00:30:57] How long do you actually hold each of these closes?

[00:31:00] [00:30:59] Rich Gaspari: [00:30:59] That is a good question. Yes. I do practice that pose to hit it a lot longer than what you're going to do on stage. So I, I said earlier that, you know, I go 12 weeks out that I start practicing my poses. Now what I hit a shot because I'm not used to like holding poses.

[00:31:17] I can do, you know, 10, 15 seconds. I'll hold a double bicep for 10 seconds. What I get really good at it. I'll hold it for 20, 25 seconds. You know, I'll hold the post. And that is so hard to hit a pose, try to hold the pose for 30 seconds. And you're tense the whole time. You, you start shaking, you know, when you're doing right.

[00:31:40] But when we talked earlier, it definitely makes a difference in the muscle density. You know, you'll see that difference of that muscle getting, you know, much harder. Um, your biceps will peak more. Um, you'll be able to see more straight patients in your deltoids that you wouldn't normally not see even abdominals when you start really [00:32:00] practicing your front, you know, your front abs shot.

[00:32:03] You start posing your Costcos. And when you start hitting, you know, this, the radius and intercostal along with your abdominals, you know, I never here's something here's something that I want to say is I really never trade apps that I had one of the best apps in bodybuilding, and it was all through dynamic tension that I had great apps.

[00:32:25] It was all through posing. Yeah,

[00:32:27] Carl Lanore: [00:32:27] that that's, that's outstanding. I I'm, I'm going to try. I mean, I have no intentions. I don't have the body for it. I don't have the desire to step on stage, but I do believe that there's a value that will change the physique. Once people start to focus on a training muscles in this dynamic tension environment.

[00:32:49] And when you talked about shaking, I did an interview probably, I don't know, a decade ago with a. A scientist who explained that when your muscle starts to shake [00:33:00] it's because it's enlisting new muscle fibers that weren't fired already because it's not able to hold. So it's saying, Hey guys, we're running out of steam and it starts to recruit muscle fibers that haven't been doing any work to come and do some work.

[00:33:17] And the more often you do that, then those muscle fibers start to fire earlier. So that's the, that's the whole density thing. The more you get all your muscle fibers to fire your muscles is going to be much more dense than if the only 40% of fire.

[00:33:35] Rich Gaspari: [00:33:35] No, I, I, I mean, I didn't know the scientific approach to it.

[00:33:39] I just knew that doing it made a difference, you know? And here's another thing when you are, you know, I told you 12 weeks out, I go in the room like four days a week as you start to get leaner. The leaner you get, the more you want to pose, because then you could see, you know, the muscle more, you know, it, it, it, [00:34:00] it's really hard if you're carrying a lot of body fat, you know, the sit there posing, cause you're not going to see anything.

[00:34:06] Cause you have a layer of, you know, when you have a layer of fat, it like becomes a lot more difficult. But as you start to get leaner and leaner, you start seeing, you know, more of the muscle fibers that you're posing, you actually can. You know, by practicing, you could actually hit and, and see things that you normally wouldn't see.

[00:34:25] You know, when you're not as li

[00:34:27] Carl Lanore: [00:34:27] and Ripley, like you see things rippling and they're not,

[00:34:30] Rich Gaspari: [00:34:30] you know, no, I I've seen, I've been able to do stuff. You know, they have like abdominal ripples where you could go up and down for apps without control. There's, you know, there's few guys that can do that, but that's all about practicing, you know, that you're able to.

[00:34:45] Or, or even there was another pose that I would do is like what's called a rope in your abdominals where you could actually crunch in the middle of your abs, which is be straight on like a, like a piece of rope. Wow. And that was all through, you know, practicing what I was [00:35:00] very, very little and Denny.

[00:35:01] Carl Lanore: [00:35:01] And, but it's about getting that control.

[00:35:04] You, you, you see the more you practice that the more control you have on the muscles. And I have to believe that that affects strength overall, too.

[00:35:12] Rich Gaspari: [00:35:12] I, I was, you know, I was very, you know, my dad was very strong, you know, I, I, you know, I believed in lifting heavy to gain, you know, mass, uh, today. I, I, you know, I think maybe I should have went as heavy.

[00:35:26] Carl Lanore: [00:35:26] Yeah. Join the club.

[00:35:29] Rich Gaspari: [00:35:29] But, uh, you know, I do believe that the combination of, you know, proper training, you know, with heavyweights basic, you know, basic movements, That are going to put on that mask and then posing and then isolation movements that you would use, you know, with cables, you're going to change that physique.

[00:35:49] Um, but that next step of doing that posing, and it's funny because I did all this posing and the first time I visited a Joe weeder, you had me in his office. And I don't know if you [00:36:00] know a lot about Joe Wieder, we'd be like, okay, take off your shirt. Let me,

[00:36:04] Carl Lanore: [00:36:04] it sounds like I'm too. And that was good. That's very good, actually.

[00:36:07] Rich Gaspari: [00:36:07] Yeah. So I would, you know, hit my shots and he was the one that would tell the about dynamic tension. You know, he would be like, hit the pose harder, harder, harder, you know, he'd make me do it. Right. And this guy was, you know, he had such a love and passion for bodybuilding. I, I learned so much from Joe Wieder and it's, it's a shame that a lot of people today don't even know who Joe weeder is, but he was definitely, he was definitely a personality.

[00:36:36] That I felt was a mentor, you know, for me, because not only, you know, because of him being, you know, I, the first thing I wanted to do is what I moved to California was to Joe weeder to go to Woodland Hills office less. But besides that was him being this entrepreneur, which later on, right. You know, I'm an entrepreneur, right.

[00:36:56] You know, the things that he did and, you know, the stories [00:37:00] he told me was just some amazing stuff, but he was a big advocate of posting. It dynamic tension.

[00:37:06] Carl Lanore: [00:37:06] Yeah. And it's a lost art today. Nobody pays attention to it. Stay tuned. We're going to take one last commercial break. I want to talk about your new podcast with John Romano.

[00:37:13] When we come back, stay tuned.

[00:37:15] Rich Gaspari: [00:37:15] Great.

[00:37:16] Carl Lanore: [00:37:16] You will never eat any of the type of beef ever again. Move over to superheroes. This is the superhuman channel.

[00:37:28] Welcome back. I saw Richard a minute ago.

[00:37:32] Rich Gaspari: [00:37:32] I'm here. I'm here. I'm sorry.

[00:37:34] Carl Lanore: [00:37:34] You broke your camera. I don't have an image. I just have a voice, but that's okay. Oh, here you go. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, um, you and John Romano, I,

[00:37:41] Rich Gaspari: [00:37:41] like I said, I'm having, I'm having Wi-Fi difficulties that I know this show is live, but I'm sorry.

[00:37:46] Carl Lanore: [00:37:46] Nah, it's okay. Listen, this is why nobody wants to do live. Besides me. I've had I've I've had, I've had guests not show up and I've had to do the whole interview. Without them by myself in the past. So,

[00:38:00] [00:38:00] Rich Gaspari: [00:38:00] Oh shit. Yeah,

[00:38:01] Carl Lanore: [00:38:01] it happens. It happens, but I love what I do. I'm happy.

[00:38:04] Rich Gaspari: [00:38:04] So right now I was trying to work on the break.

[00:38:06] I was trying to get the wifi because. I, it was like a monsoon here, but you know, for all your listeners, I apologize.

[00:38:14] Carl Lanore: [00:38:14] No, it's, it's all good. And you know, I know a lot of people tuned in and thought to themselves, Oh man, they're talking about posing. Like I thought they were going to be talking about drugs or something like that.

[00:38:23] It's like, people don't understand the value of posing and one of the components of creating a beautiful muscular physique and it's, it's lost because nobody cares about it anymore. All they care about is. Deadlifts and squats and all that sort of stuff.

[00:38:39] Rich Gaspari: [00:38:39] And, you know, I hate to say it, you know, like, you know, bodybuilding has regressed not progressed.

[00:38:47] I mean, the guys they're very big. I'm not going to tell you that, you know, there are huge guys, but what I see is like, I feel the height of bodybuilding was like, right. When, you know, Phil Heath [00:39:00] was just winning, you know, his first Olympia's, um, Then it kinda, it kinda got lost. Uh, you know, when you compare someone like a Ronnie Coleman, you know, and that's what the show is

[00:39:12] Carl Lanore: [00:39:12] about it.

[00:39:13] Yeah. I have, I have a way to fix it. I'm not kidding you and you and I need to talk all fear.

[00:39:20] Rich Gaspari: [00:39:20] Yeah.

[00:39:20] Carl Lanore: [00:39:20] And the timing is perfect. The timing is perfect. So we need to talk, I want to share an idea with you that I've had in my head for 12 years now. Yeah. And it all started when I read muscle smoking mirrors by, uh, by Randy wrote about the, the origins of, of bodybuilding, the fathers of physical culture, what they will all about.

[00:39:42] They wanted to. Uh, they wanted it. Wasn't just about muscle muscle muscle. It was about functionality. It was about health. It was about looking good feeling, good living life and being muscular. That's where this all started. And then it became like an aberration, you know, it's like, [00:40:00] We used to have regular corn.

[00:40:02] It was all good. Now we got scat porn. We've got, we've got, well, what do you mean we got, I don't want to see that stuff. It's like everything we as humans, we push everything too far. If it doesn't kill us, we'll keep on pushing. So I want, I have, I have something I want to share with you, but anyway, someone posted and we can't really see their, um, Screen name because Facebook is blocking.

[00:40:23] Unfortunately today's posing is neglected parameter of bodybuilding, uh, because bodybuilders pose without grace, as you pointed out a minute ago, talk about, uh, John Romano and you, you guys have a podcast now, huh?

[00:40:37] Rich Gaspari: [00:40:37] Yeah. Um, it's funny, you know, during the whole, uh, pandemic, you know, a lot of people were, you know, You know, isolated and stuck in their homes and depressed, you know, I, I basically said, you know, I'm bored.

[00:40:53] I want to do a lot more while I'm sitting at my house. Right. You know, I work remotely. Um, I [00:41:00] changed a lot, like my tire, you know, uh, sports, nutrition, business, disparity, nutrition, I run it remotely and it's, and it's running more successful than ever, you know, during that time, I also told John, you know, My success.

[00:41:16] I brought it to talk to other people that were successful in the fitness industry, um, that were able to go from being an athlete or go from like, you know, being part of the fitness industry and being able to monetize that and becoming, you know, making money, uh, becoming famous. So, you know, we started this show, fitness, fame, and fortune.

[00:41:41] And we've had great guests. We've had you on the show,

[00:41:44] Carl Lanore: [00:41:44] a lot of fun,

[00:41:45] Rich Gaspari: [00:41:45] a lot of fun. Yeah. And, and it's, it's really progressing and growing and people love the show. You know, the concept. I mean, you know, we'll talk about, you know, bodybuilding and, you know, in training, but Mark [00:42:00] show is based off of, you know, a lot of us guys that have been able to become successful.

[00:42:05] We've, you know, we've had many great guests, you know, Jay Cutler. Um, CT Fletcher, um, Miko, Hern, you know, we have, we've had a lot of great guests on the show that are all, you know, they all show success yourself. You know, Carl they've been able to, you know, you know, the question we always asked is like, you know, what's your secret to success?

[00:42:30] It's it's work at all. You guys say the same thing. It's just be consistent. And just keep going. Like, you've been doing this, how many years? You said

[00:42:39] Carl Lanore: [00:42:39] 15 that the 19th of November, 15 years,

[00:42:43] Rich Gaspari: [00:42:43] 15 years. A long time. And I know when we talked that you were the first, you were the, you were before they even knew the word podcast, right?

[00:42:52] You started it. But, uh, you know, I really enjoy the show, you know, jotted, I have great guests, uh, [00:43:00] you know, we get to talk about. You know, the stuff that we enjoy talking about and, and, and have these guests with all this shame, you know, they're all, they're all, basically the, you know, they're all different, but they're all the same and you know, how they became successful.

[00:43:15] And, you know, it gives other people opportunities, you know what to do. You know, the big thing today is I think everybody wants like this, just get quick, rich scheme. There is no get rich, you know, there's no get quick rich.

[00:43:30] Carl Lanore: [00:43:30] There is none of that.

[00:43:32] Rich Gaspari: [00:43:32] It takes time and efforts and learning and you know, and obstacles that you have to overcome.

[00:43:40] And, you know, I believe an entrepreneur is, is a very difficult, you know, job because you could go from being. Ultra wealthy to ultra poor, you know, so I, you know, I love doing it and, you know, it's, it's my way of giving back to the sport. You know, we haven't [00:44:00] monetized our show yet, but it continues to grow and you know, maybe we will, but right now it's all about just getting the word out,

[00:44:08] Carl Lanore: [00:44:08] sharing the information, which is wonderful.

[00:44:10] It really is. Um, so what, well, who's your next guest and when and where can people find your show?

[00:44:17] Rich Gaspari: [00:44:17] That's a good question. Uh, fitness, fame, and fortune could be seen on all, you know, uh, Apple podcast, um, YouTube, uh, all the different,

[00:44:30] Carl Lanore: [00:44:30] uh, social media, I mean, streaming streaming platforms of podcasts and streaming platforms, right?

[00:44:35] Rich Gaspari: [00:44:35] Yeah. So all the streaming platforms we're on all of them. Um, you know, you can find the on Instagram, uh, rich gooseberry. Uh, you know, come, come to Richard gets probably Facebook or Richard because Barry, you know, Instagram, uh, we do have, um, dragon Slayer media, which is our other Instagram. That's part of the, you know, our podcasts, you know, our media channel.

[00:44:59] So we're growing [00:45:00] that. So, you know, if you guys want to come on board to listen to the show, by all means, come on

[00:45:05] Carl Lanore: [00:45:05] board, uh, rich, the holidays are upon us. You and I are Italian. We, we, we love to eat good food. We like to drink good alcohol. Do you, do you drink

[00:45:17] Rich Gaspari: [00:45:17] day? You know, during the holidays I let myself, you know, eat and drink and enjoy, you know, I, I, what you just said, I, you know, it's funny.

[00:45:28] I was talking to John and like, No. We're like two old Italians. Like he loves to cook and I love, you know, I love to cook and I used to be always like the guy who used to have, you know, my mom or my grandpa or my sister. Yeah. But

[00:45:42] Carl Lanore: [00:45:42] a lot of them have gone to, a lot of them are gone, unfortunately, you know,

[00:45:45] Rich Gaspari: [00:45:45] and I've learned all the secrets to their recipes and cooking.

[00:45:50] And like I did the entire Thanksgiving dinner with the sides and the Turkey and. You know, and I did it all by

[00:45:57] Carl Lanore: [00:45:57] nice, very nice. Well, [00:46:00] the reason, the reason I'm asking you this, because my next guest, after we take our last break here, you and I, my next guest has a secret, a trick. And I've been using it. I drank five days in a row every morning.

[00:46:13] I woke up without a hangover. Every morning I woke up feeling fresh and I drink, I don't know about you, but I drink Negroni. And you know, Negroni is a powerful and I'll drink four or five of them. And th the idea that I can wake up the next morning and not feel like crap. Isn't a ma I mean, this stuff.

[00:46:31] When I lived in Vegas in my twenties, I don't know what would have happened to me. I'll tell you right now. Yeah, this stuff is amazing. We were going to talk about it after the break, but it's a, it's a supplement called D H M. And if anybody drinks alcohol, even occasionally, this is the magic bullet. Rich.

[00:46:49] I want to thank you so much for being on the show today, brother.

[00:46:52] Rich Gaspari: [00:46:52] Thank you so much, Carl. I apologize for the,

[00:46:55] Carl Lanore: [00:46:55] don't worry about it. Don't even, don't even don't don't say a word

[00:46:58] Rich Gaspari: [00:46:58] and I love to be on the show [00:47:00] again.

[00:47:00] Carl Lanore: [00:47:00] Well, you will. Absolutely. I'm kind of come up with other ideas to tap into your brain. So I am, we are, I look, I'll talk to you later.

[00:47:07] Take care of yourself. Okay. I ha happy, Merry Christmas to you. Merry Christmas

[00:47:11] Rich Gaspari: [00:47:11] to you too.

[00:47:13] Carl Lanore: [00:47:13] We're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I already gave the secret away. But I gotta tell you, man, this, there are a lot of supplements out there that you buy and you go, Oh, I think it's working.

[00:47:23] I don't know if it's working, man. Maybe it's working. Maybe I'll buy it again. This stuff, you know, it's working. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:47:32] Rich Gaspari: [00:47:32] Is the

[00:47:32] Carl Lanore: [00:47:32] superhuman channel

[00:47:33] Rich Gaspari: [00:47:33] doing reps with the weight of the

[00:47:35] Carl Lanore: [00:47:35] world.

[00:47:42] welcome back. Oh, knock, knock, knock. We're here with we're here with Chris Zack. He's our favorite nootropic wonder, man. How you doing Chris?

[00:47:55] Chris Dziak: [00:47:55] I'm good.

[00:47:55] Carl Lanore: [00:47:55] How are you? Carl? Good. Good, good. Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

[00:47:58] Chris Dziak: [00:47:58] Yeah, I did it, [00:48:00] uh, you know, small butter filled with lots of good treats.

[00:48:04] Carl Lanore: [00:48:04] Are you in California?

[00:48:06] Chris Dziak: [00:48:06] I'm in New Mexico.

[00:48:07] Carl Lanore: [00:48:07] Oh, I liked New Mexico. Very, very nice. Okay. Okay.

[00:48:10] Chris Dziak: [00:48:10] Yeah, but we're well, shut down. So there wasn't really anything to do, but hanging out with the family,

[00:48:16] Carl Lanore: [00:48:16] which yeah. Yeah, no, it's perfect. That's exactly what you want to do. Small crowds, more intimate, lots more fun. And you don't have to share as much food.

[00:48:22] You could keep it all

[00:48:23] Chris Dziak: [00:48:23] by yourself. Lots of leftovers.

[00:48:25] Carl Lanore: [00:48:25] So I have to be honest. Um, I could not ever live without DHM ever again. I have. So I, I w Elisa and I just moved, moved, um, Friday, and then we had Thanksgiving and moved into this new house and the holidays always make me feel rightfully so festive.

[00:48:49] Right. And festivities to me is, you know, a good buzz, you know, a good, good bottle of champagne, a couple glasses of wine, maybe a couple, uh, mixed [00:49:00] drinks. And. But the problem with me is, and I've complained about this on the show for years. If I go out and have a few drinks on a Friday night, it takes me till Monday to feel normal again.

[00:49:12] It does. And you know, I'm 62 years old and I just thought, well, it's it's age and you just gotta get used to it. And you just drink less. I drank alcohol the past five days last night, Elisa and I split a bottle of good champagne to celebrate the new house I drank. I drank a bottle of wine, new year's Eve night by myself.

[00:49:38] I go home. And before I get in bed, I take two DHM I, two things happen. The obvious is I wake up in the morning. I don't feel like I drank. I feel fine. I feel great. I feel maybe even better than just a normal wake up. Right. But more importantly, whatever I drink alcohol, [00:50:00] I can guarantee you. Then I'm going to sleep like crap, like crap.

[00:50:06] I'll wake up a couple of times in the middle of the night, not get back to sleep. Uh, finally I'll get up out of bed and go downstairs, which means the whole next day is wrecked. I feel horrible. I didn't get sleep. Plus I'm hung over folks. I'm going to tell you something. You buy supplements that you don't even know work and you love them.

[00:50:26] You know, DHM works. You just take one or two. If you, if you had one, if you had one drink, you take one, two drinks. Or if you had a few drinks, if you drank more than you'd think you should have you take two before bed, you will wake up in the morning, feeling ready to go. You won't believe it. You won't believe that you drank the night before.

[00:50:44] It's, it's the most amazing stuff in the world. It really is. So for those who don't know what DHM is, tell, tell them what it is, Chris.

[00:50:54] Chris Dziak: [00:50:54] So it's a, it's a natural product comes from the Japanese raisin tree. [00:51:00] It's called dihydro, my rice. And basically it's a natural substance. It's found in a lot of things, but we're, you know, get it extracted from this plant.

[00:51:10] And it's been shown in studies to have a lot of liver protection. And so what. They've done is look at how it works in the liver. And really what it does is increases the enzymes that your body means to break down methadone, which is the by-product of alcohol. And the ethanol is like really what destroys your cell tissues and stuff.

[00:51:33] So in theory, if you're able to metabolize it faster, it's, it's gonna. Make it so that there's less buildup, which is causing a lot of the damage. When, when you're drinking. Basically. Now I will say that DHM is pretty effective, but it, it doesn't always work. For example, I had a, a good cousin of mine got married and I'm like, here's a bottle of DHM man for the night before.

[00:51:59] He [00:52:00] drank a whole bottle of bourbon.

[00:52:02] Carl Lanore: [00:52:02] Forget about it. That may come

[00:52:03] Chris Dziak: [00:52:03] up to say it didn't work, but if you're imbibing on like, you know, a normal basis, it it's quite effective. You know,

[00:52:12] Carl Lanore: [00:52:12] I've drank, I've drank five Negroni's one night, though, for people who know what Negroni's are, they're like martinis, Italian martinis.

[00:52:21] It's a shot of gin, a shot of compari, a half a shot of sweet vermouth on the rocks at a little garnish of, of an orange rind. I drank five of those one night and I took three DHM before bed. And I woke up in the morning and I did not feel like I went out drinking at all. So you're right. I mean, if you're going to do something stupid, like literally risk alcohol poisoning then, and you don't, you don't care about waking up tomorrow feeling good.

[00:52:46] So stop kidding yourself. You know, don't even take the DHM don't even waste it

[00:52:52] Chris Dziak: [00:52:52] basically, basically. And the other caveat too, is

[00:52:56] Carl Lanore: [00:52:56] it.

[00:52:57] Chris Dziak: [00:52:57] You know, I have a lot of friends that [00:53:00] you, you have a good methodology, my opinion of how to use this effectively. If you're in my way. Now, some people, they, they are very anti issues the next day.

[00:53:14] And so they'll take a couple of drinks and take a DHM every few drinks. Now, what that does is again, your body is in theory processing. Metabolizing faster. And so it makes you feel like you can

[00:53:30] Carl Lanore: [00:53:30] consume more and you can, because you're processing it faster. Right. But that's like, I would call that person an alcohol bulemia.

[00:53:42] Right, right. Like, like, okay, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna eat all this food and I'm going to go vomit so I can start eating more food again. Like, why would you do that? Why like, get your buzz on, feel good, drink like a normal person, but just don't feel like crap the next day.

[00:53:57] Chris Dziak: [00:53:57] Right? Yeah. And that's [00:54:00] exactly. So I, I liked the way you do it in terms of starting to take the DHM more towards the end of your.

[00:54:07] Nice, I guess it'll be your experience. And so that seems to be the most effective because they have had people tell me, they're like, yeah, like when I'm taking that, I feel like I can't get drunk. And I'm like, well, you know, it's all about timing. And, and it's like you said, I like your analogy. It's really good in

[00:54:26] Carl Lanore: [00:54:26] terms of the whole bulemia.

[00:54:28] You like, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta take it while you're drinking. So you don't feel the drink why'd you drink? Why, why even drink then just get your buzz on and take it on the way home. That's it? That's it.

[00:54:39] Chris Dziak: [00:54:39] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I, it is a very effective supplement. And as I've said in the past, as well as it's, you know, more useful than just.

[00:54:51] You know, alcohol prevent, you know, stuff like that,

[00:54:54] Carl Lanore: [00:54:54] preventing hangover we did. So we did a show that shows that people who have type two diabetes benefit from [00:55:00] taking DHM, but actually reduces the damage to their body. And it seems to have a beneficial effect on metabolizing sugar and it kind of kind of normalizes them and make them like less diabetic.

[00:55:13] Let's say. So think about that for a second. We know. Cancer is related to diabetes or Alzheimer's disease is related to diabetes. Why? Because blood sugar levels get crazy and inflammation turns on, well, this, this is a great prophylaxis as well. If you're somebody who's worried about, uh, metabolic disorders, take one a day.

[00:55:36] I could vitamin it's it's it's just gonna, it's gonna keep your body from getting damaged while you're trying to get your act together, eat differently, move more, sleep better. And so on. So

[00:55:48] Chris Dziak: [00:55:48] absolutely. It's, it's very good for metabolic function. And so you hit the nail on the head there and, and, you know, so it is something that is, could be considered more yeah.

[00:55:58] Ubiquitous in [00:56:00] terms of being able to use almost as like a daily. So

[00:56:04] Carl Lanore: [00:56:04] yeah, because

[00:56:05] Chris Dziak: [00:56:05] the other benefits that it has in addition to helping your. Your body metabolize ethanol.

[00:56:11] Carl Lanore: [00:56:11] So while DHM in and of itself is, is every, the strongest reason. If you drink alcohol, even occasionally to get a bottle, Chris has over 70 different nootropics at ridiculously low prices because he's kind of like, um, the generic.

[00:56:34] Right. So you go to these companies, they mix six or seven nootropics together. They give it a great name. They put it in a bottle and they want to charge you $86 a month. Well, you can find all those same ingredients at Chris's website, but it's kind of like the generic, it's not a fancy bottle. It's not a fancy label.

[00:56:52] It's the pure compound. He goes to great, uh, testing. Okay. Standardization extends to make sure that you are [00:57:00] getting. What you think you were buying in the first place and you don't have to pay the stupid prices because it's got a fancy name on the bottle. So any nootropic that you're using now that you're paying some $120 a month for look at the label, look at the first three or four ingredients, because those are the prime movers all the time and go to Chris's website and just order those, save yourself a bundle of money and get better results.

[00:57:27] If you do want to learn more. And you do about the 70 different things that you can buy at Puna Tropic, go to SHR network.biz/pure that's P U R E S H R network.biz/pure. This audience gets ridiculous discounts above and beyond the already low, low prices because Chris wants to. Be part of this family here.

[00:57:54] So he's really gone bent over backwards to make sure that you guys are getting the best deals on the internet. [00:58:00] And while you're there pick up a bottle of DHM, I promise you, you will thank me the day after you go out drinking. You know, maybe you don't drink a lot, but then there's those times where you go out with your friends and your drink, and then you feel like crap the next day.

[00:58:12] Why feel like crap, if you don't have to. Just keep the bottle around. What are some of the big, big movers in the nootropic category that you seem to move a lot of?

[00:58:23] Chris Dziak: [00:58:23] Yeah. So there's a couple items. Um, nootropics, there's a couple really well-known synthetic nootropics that are kind of in a weird classification.

[00:58:35] And so the most popular ones, it. That you're not a fine on a place like Amazon or things like new pet is popular. A lot of the race Tams are very popular. And then the more ubiquitous ones that you would find on an Amazon or similar type retailer, even at whole foods is, is a lot of like the different culinary magic products.

[00:58:57] You know, your different forms of [00:59:00] Coleen, whether it's, you know, C to Coleen alpha GPC calling Batar tray. You know, so

[00:59:06] Carl Lanore: [00:59:06] we, we try and give

[00:59:08] Chris Dziak: [00:59:08] a lot of different options in those areas. But what we do is we do look at a lot of the flagship products, um, see what they have in for most of them, we carry a large amount of ingredients.

[00:59:22] It might be inside of those. And. We basically do a lot of research search when it comes to selecting ingredients. Kind of like you said, we, we put a lot of effort into getting the right quality and testing, but it's also sourcing the right format. We've seen a lot of players in this industry that, you know, they go and find a plant like a Rhodiola plant.

[00:59:48] And, and basically they just grind that crap up and put it in a, in a capsule. And so you're not getting. A standardized format with the same dose every time. And what we do is [01:00:00] when we set dosing on our products, even though it's a singular item, we're setting the dosing to match the clinical trials. So the same dose as what was used in the clinical trial, which we're basing our, our claims on, you know?

[01:00:17] And so like things like Bacopa

[01:00:18] Carl Lanore: [01:00:18] monnieri

[01:00:19] Chris Dziak: [01:00:19] has been studied extensively for memory. And we use this same one, the same actual, you know, manufactured ingredient that is used in the clinical studies. And so often we try and go with those exact versions that were used in the studies. Whereas all the other vendors don't necessarily do that.

[01:00:42] And you know, it's funny cause like you go and you look at Amazon and Amazon, like a, like a real popular product is black seed oil. Nigella sativa extract. And it has a, uh, flavonoid in it called  quinoa. And so like a lot of people like black [01:01:00] seed oil for just a whole host of benefits, but realistically, the active ingredient is time of acquainted.

[01:01:07] Well, if you go and you look for a black seed oil on Amazon, there's some products that are standardized. To have like a certain amount of time of quinoa, but then there's ones that are just like black seed oil. And you

[01:01:19] Carl Lanore: [01:01:19] have no idea

[01:01:21] Chris Dziak: [01:01:21] how much of the active ingredient is in there. You know? And so it's funny too, because like we go and we have a black seed it's like standardized to 5%.

[01:01:32] Well, even though our capsules or whatever, 200 mgs.

[01:01:37] Carl Lanore: [01:01:37] Our product is

[01:01:38] Chris Dziak: [01:01:38] still more potent than not than the other guys that are double the mgs or the,

[01:01:46] Carl Lanore: [01:01:46] but bastardization or whatever. Right. So it's,

[01:01:50] Chris Dziak: [01:01:50] it's unfortunate. We feel like there's a lot of deception, especially in outlets like Amazon. With how the vendors list the product [01:02:00] out.

[01:02:00] And, you know, they go in they're like, this is a 10 X when it's really like a 10 X extract. And so they're saying this is a 10 X equivalent. And so we try to, you know, we value our integrity and our reputation, and that's why we try not to, to play those games.

[01:02:15] Carl Lanore: [01:02:15] Right. Well, and what happens is then people don't feel anything that they go, Oh, I guess black seed oil doesn't work.

[01:02:24] No, it's the one you bought, excuse me.

[01:02:27] Chris Dziak: [01:02:27] Get her. Right. Cause like guys like that, are there doing a disservice to us?

[01:02:32] Carl Lanore: [01:02:32] Ooh.

[01:02:33] Chris Dziak: [01:02:33] You know? And um, because people are getting products that don't, that are not effective. And so then it, it basically taints the whole industry because they're like, yeah, supplements don't work.

[01:02:44] I've tried it. And it's like, well, have you tried like the good. Quality Virgin that, you know, because you look at consumer reports and loud door and places like that that are doing extensive testing and they're, they're testing. [01:03:00] They, they get these products off the shelves, they buy retail, testing them to find that they have nothing, you know?

[01:03:07] Carl Lanore: [01:03:07] Yeah. It's, it's staggering that that's the supplement industry. And I don't think that any regulations are going to ever change people who like to get over. There's always going to be crooked people out there. What do you think about the race Tams? I took  pure racism. I don't know. Uh, I took, uh, fenal pair of CEDAM.

[01:03:25] I mean, 20 years ago, maybe 15 years ago. I didn't notice much of anything from it other than it's foul taste. Cause I bought raw powder. Um, what do you think of them?

[01:03:36] Chris Dziak: [01:03:36] So, so like, to me, you know, it's really like hit or miss. So people either tend to love them because they they're

[01:03:44] Carl Lanore: [01:03:44] responder

[01:03:45] Chris Dziak: [01:03:45] or they, or there's like basically ineffective

[01:03:49] Carl Lanore: [01:03:49] who responds to the race.

[01:03:50] Tams. You think? Who, what, what, what is it about them that makes them responsive?

[01:03:55] Chris Dziak: [01:03:55] You know, who knows? I mean, we can get into a whole brain [01:04:00] neuro chemistry and stuff like that. It's, it's just like, you know, biodiversity. And, and I feel that way with literally every supplement in existence personally, you know, so there's stuff that I can take that will work fantastic for me.

[01:04:15] And I recommend it to you and you're like, it doesn't do crap, but, you know, and it's just, everybody has, you know, different genetics is really what it comes down to. Um, I'm a big believer in looking at like, you know, genetic polymorphisms, single. You know, nucleotide polymorphisms, and like what, what those may suggest, like, you know, we were in the biohacking community, right?

[01:04:42] And so like what some people are starting to do is take tests like 23 of me go and get the raw genetic data and send it through a couple of third-party services for like basically looking at these genetic differences. And so there are people that. For example, like are [01:05:00] under, over methylators in, and that has ramifications for what type of folic acid, whether you should be taking folic acid or fully

[01:05:08] Carl Lanore: [01:05:08] right.

[01:05:09] Chris Dziak: [01:05:09] And things like that. And so I just. You know, we, we sell plenty of this product to where we, we genuinely get people where it's like, this is the best thing ever since sliced bread. And then people on the other hand that are like, this doesn't work whatsoever. And it's literally that from the same batch, you know, all that stuff.

[01:05:28] And so that's why we tend to have a generous return policies. Cause like we know these products. You know, all of our products, we have belief in, otherwise we wouldn't do them. Right.

[01:05:40] Carl Lanore: [01:05:40] But you know, whether it's gonna work for

[01:05:42] Chris Dziak: [01:05:42] you is hit or miss. And that's, that's why we want you to find what works for you, because we know once you do,

[01:05:47] Carl Lanore: [01:05:47] you're going to keep

[01:05:48] Chris Dziak: [01:05:48] ordering that stuff

[01:05:50] Carl Lanore: [01:05:50] because, but I think it's pretty, it's pretty safe.

[01:05:52] If somebody is buying a name brand, a nootropic blend, there's a lot of them out there. And if they look at the first three or [01:06:00] four ingredients, And they liked that blend. They're like, Oh, this blend works. And I feel it it's pretty safe to say that those first three or four ingredients, probably the reason that they liked that blend is that, is that true?

[01:06:11] No tricky. It's

[01:06:12] Chris Dziak: [01:06:12] tricky because like, if you go and you look at a lot of blends, it isn't, um, because the labels will list in order of quantity, like, right. So like there's a lot of,

[01:06:24] Carl Lanore: [01:06:24] um,

[01:06:26] Chris Dziak: [01:06:26] Basically nootropics, it have hoppers. And so helpers is, is kind of a, it's a Coleen stir Rossi inhibitor. So it has kind of the same effect as it call it energy.

[01:06:40] But, and that's why it's putting a lot of the new Tropic stacks. Right. But it's a micro dose thing

[01:06:47] Carl Lanore: [01:06:47] where it has to be. So do you know what is another Coleen Estrace inhibitor? W w yeah. Tell

[01:06:55] Chris Dziak: [01:06:55] me

[01:06:55] Carl Lanore: [01:06:55] siren gas. You've heard it. [01:07:00] Sarah and gas, right? You've heard of Seren, right? They like, it's a, there was a train in China that they released it.

[01:07:06] They killed like hundreds of people. So sarin gas works because it's a very powerful and permanent colon esterase inhibitor. So what happened, what happens is. Sure. So colon esterase diminishes the effects of Coleen. Coleen is a neuro-transmitter. It goes across the synopsis. It tells the brain to do something.

[01:07:27] But it Colin, Esther rates make sure that only that one impulse it gets across. Otherwise you have deja VU. Uh, and so sarin gas is a suicide Coleen Estrace inhibitor. So when you breathe it in your body and he goes berserk because all of your nerves keep firing the same things. Your heart stops beating because it's not getting the signal to beat properly.

[01:07:52] You stop breathing and you die. So co co co colon Estrace inhibitors have to be used in very, very, very small [01:08:00] amounts.

[01:08:00] Chris Dziak: [01:08:00] Right. And, and so that like  is one of those micro dose things where if you see it, it's, it's never more than 20 M are actually. Okay. So like it's micro grounds,

[01:08:13] Carl Lanore: [01:08:13] right? So like Margaret .

[01:08:16] Chris Dziak: [01:08:16] We buy it in a powder that's diluted to like crazy amount already, you know?

[01:08:22] And so you're putting in very, very, very little amount of . But the nice thing about that is it lets them put in some effective ingredients. And one of the ones, it was a real popular up until like 10 of the FDA, you know, targeted it. We 

[01:08:40] Carl Lanore: [01:08:40] Oh yeah. 

[01:08:43] Chris Dziak: [01:08:43] you know, and so it's like, you're trying to kind of create a synergy with several of these different ingredients.

[01:08:49] And

[01:08:50] Carl Lanore: [01:08:50] honestly, these guys

[01:08:51] Chris Dziak: [01:08:51] do a good job of making a blend that's effective for 70% of

[01:08:56] Carl Lanore: [01:08:56] people.

[01:08:57] Chris Dziak: [01:08:57] The problem is, is it's never going to be effective for a hundred [01:09:00] percent of people because, you

[01:09:01] Carl Lanore: [01:09:01] know, you might be one

[01:09:02] Chris Dziak: [01:09:02] of those few people that hopper Xenia, Hey, just has a completely. Bad effect on, you know, and, and so you don't want to be having, you know, one, one step forward, two steps back, or it could be that you're just not getting.

[01:09:17] The best effect out of this

[01:09:19] Carl Lanore: [01:09:19] product. If you were

[01:09:20] Chris Dziak: [01:09:20] to remove one of those items, it's being stacked in there, it might be far more effective than it is with that particular one.

[01:09:27] Carl Lanore: [01:09:27] Right? So there's 70 different products at the website. So you should go there and try some things and see what works for you. You can save some money.

[01:09:36] So here's the deal. If you go to SHR network.biz/pure, you'll be transported to a page where a number one. Everybody should get a bottle of DHM for the holidays. You'll save 30% off. It's already. It's so inexpensive. The idea of giving people a 30% off, even more is just as astonishing to me. Or [01:10:00] you can get 25% off of the superhuman stack, which was something that Chris and I and Dan, uh, came up with.

[01:10:07] We experimented with four different things and we all felt. Something positive, uh, in the way of both mood and cognition, uh, or you can get 10% off anything at the website that you find, uh, SHR 30 is the code for DHM 30% off SHR, uh, is the code for the superhuman stack by itself for 25% off and SHR 10.

[01:10:33] For anything else that you find that the website, you know, it's Christmas, take yourself shopping. For something that will actually make you feel good and help you help your brain. Let's see something here. Oh, and we, we, I just got news that we are going to have an AR Allah pretty soon. And that's amazing because we just did an amazing show about our ally.

[01:10:56] So that'll be up there too. Cool. Yeah.

[01:11:00] [01:11:00] Chris Dziak: [01:11:00] Yeah. I mean like it's. You know, you guys had mentioned it. And so we, we sold the nail, but it was, it was a risky mic mix. And after talking to you guys and researching it a lot further, I mean, it's like, it, it's one of those products where definitely the RLA looks

[01:11:22] Carl Lanore: [01:11:22] more, much better.

[01:11:23] Yeah.

[01:11:24] Chris Dziak: [01:11:24] It's because of the other isomer competes, um, with, with that device. And so that's why it's kind of nice. So we're getting, uh, uh, we, we have a shelf life stable version. It's actually sodium our ALA and we're going to have a very competitive price and everything on it. So keep an eye out for that.

[01:11:45] We're hoping it should be, uh, ready to go in the next two weeks and I'll be sure to send you,

[01:11:50] Carl Lanore: [01:11:50] in fact, in fact, taking four to 600 milligrams of our Allah first thing in the morning without changing anything else. Test subjects loss [01:12:00] up to six kilos of body fat exclusively. No, no, no muscle.

[01:12:05] Chris Dziak: [01:12:05] I'm going to have to tell my wife that just kidding.

[01:12:09] Carl Lanore: [01:12:09] Now, if you already have very low blood sugar, you may see not as wonderful as an effect. Uh, but this is especially important for people who tend to have higher blood sugar as well. Cause it's, it's an amazing, it's amazing, uh, glucose disposal agent as well. That was great stuff. Uh, are you excited for the holidays?

[01:12:32] Chris Dziak: [01:12:32] Yeah. You know, honestly, I like what I'm really excited about is, um, the family and I, there, I have little kids, you know,

[01:12:41] Carl Lanore: [01:12:41] I, I heard them a second ago

[01:12:43] Chris Dziak: [01:12:43] to go skiing earlier, even a couple of weeks ago. And it was my

[01:12:49] Carl Lanore: [01:12:49] kid's first

[01:12:50] Chris Dziak: [01:12:50] time on the bunny Hill. And it was, it was magic just seeing them come down in some

[01:12:56] Carl Lanore: [01:12:56] I'm going to keep,

[01:12:57] Chris Dziak: [01:12:57] keep working on them and get them up there so that I can [01:13:00] not.

[01:13:00] You know, when I was young, my dad would, he'd be like, son, we're playing hooky today. We're going to go skiing. And if we do that and I'm like, I want to

[01:13:07] Carl Lanore: [01:13:07] do that with Mike. That's one of the few

[01:13:10] Chris Dziak: [01:13:10] activities that I still really active in and enjoy doing.

[01:13:16] Carl Lanore: [01:13:16] Wonderful. Let's give the website out one more time. As SHR network.biz/pure go.

[01:13:21] There. Absolutely go there and get DHM. You will thank me. You will say Carl. We had a great time for the holidays I drank and I feel great. Thank you for telling me about DHM. I swear by it. I will never ever be without DHM. I'm not kidding about that. That stuff is magic. And then of course, pick up the nootropics, come up with your own blends and show pure nootropics, some love.

[01:13:46] They are a sponsor here at super Yuma radio. And remember this show doesn't happen without sponsors. So if you gain, I I've w we have some amazing emails. We've been receiving people telling me [01:14:00] that they made life decisions based on information. They learned that the, on this show, um, we have some videos we're going to be releasing soon.

[01:14:08] There's a lot of podcasts out there. And a lot of them are sexy and edgy and fun to listen to. But this podcast delivers information that people use to make life-saving choices in their lives and their family's lives. And I get emails from them all the time saying. You know, I listened to a show about seven months ago and I did what they did the guy said, and here's, what's happening to me now.

[01:14:37] Thank you so much. People make life choices based on this podcast. And this podcast exists because of people like Chris Zack. So show him some love.

[01:14:49] Chris Dziak: [01:14:49] Thank you Carlin, and don't sell yourself short. You're just as

[01:14:53] Carl Lanore: [01:14:53] sexy as all the edgy and my sexy and edgy. You think, am I sure of course. [01:15:00] I appreciate that.

[01:15:01] And that's it. That's the end of today's show also, thanks to rich Gaspari, even with all the technical difficulties. I think people should start considering dynamic tension work, uh, in the form of posing double biceps, go to YouTube. Look at the compulsory poses that bodybuilders have to learn how to use, uh, and teach them to yourself, the quality of muscle and strength.

[01:15:25] You'll see changes. And I'll get an email from somebody in six months saying, wow, I thought you were stupid. I thought you were crazy. I tried it and it works. And we will see everybody tomorrow. Tomorrow is Tuesday. We have coach Rob ruggish coming on for the blueprint power hour. So tune in then Chris.

[01:15:40] Thanks for being here. And pleasure, and we will see everybody tomorrow with more superhuman radio, take care. [01:16:00]