[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is December 3rd, 2020. As we slide into home plate for this year. Uh, we have the solemn duty of a remembering a legend of bodybuilding, uh, during the first interview today, uh, then later in the show, we're going to be talking about, uh, sports specific training as it relates to, um, baseball listener.

[00:00:24] Adam group asked me to do the show. His daughter plays baseball, and we have an expert at that to talk to today. Uh, and then later, even later in the show, we have a third interview. I'm going to show you how to take ground beef and make it gourmet. Uh, before we do any of that, of course, we always have to thank our title sponsor sponsor that really makes this show possible.

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[00:01:50] Uh, so check them all out, uh, and show them some love and let them know that I sent you. And now without further delay, my guest today is Ron Penna. [00:02:00] Many of you know him. Uh, actually as one of the founders, he and his wife, Shannon founded legendary foods, but more importantly, he is the son-in-law of Chet yacht.

[00:02:10] And Chet Yorkton is a legend in bodybuilding. He's been known as the father of natural body building because not only because of his, uh, lack of use of anabolic steroids when they were becoming popular, but his vocal, uh, descent on those who were using, how are you doing Ron? Doing very well. So, um, Your father-in-law, uh, Chet Yarden, uh, Shannon dad recently passed away.

[00:02:37] Talk about, uh, uh, what happened and, and, uh, when it happened, please.

[00:02:43] Ron Penna: [00:02:43] Sure. Uh, well, last Saturday, um, we found out that we got an email from their neighbor and said, you know, I'm a little concerned. I haven't seen there. Trash cans go out in a little bit and, uh, their males backing up and, uh, make a long story.

[00:02:57] Very short. We went over and did a welfare check and [00:03:00] both of her parents were actually deceased. So that was about two weeks ago.

[00:03:05] Carl Lanore: [00:03:05] Okay. And, um, we don't know all the particulars yet, but it doesn't look like there was any foul play and you have kind of a couple of theories about what may have happened. Do you want to share those right now?

[00:03:16] You want to just stay, stay away from that right now? Sure. No.

[00:03:19] Ron Penna: [00:03:19] Um, yeah, obviously there was an investigation. The police came over. They obviously look for anything out of ordinary weapons, drugs, anything. Seemed to be natural causes. Um, and, uh, the mortuary came pick the remains off, et cetera. Uh, and then later the coroner decided to do an investigation because anytime people die within very close proximity, like 15 feet, they, they always do an investigation there.

[00:03:44] It seems to be natural causes. The timing's a little unusual because you know, both passed away was in a relatively short period of time. We don't know exactly because we don't have the, uh, the autopsy reports. That's still a couple of weeks away. Um, but. Uh, you know, just based on positioning and things, uh, it [00:04:00] looks like the mother passed away first and then the father passed away shortly thereafter.

[00:04:05] Um, and maybe because of the proximity, maybe he came upon her and, you know, was so shocked that maybe he had a heart attack. He had had some health challenges, mostly orthopedic in nature, but also some heart issues as well. Uh, so, you know, Shannon's mom dying. Wasn't

[00:04:19] Carl Lanore: [00:04:19] a

[00:04:19] Ron Penna: [00:04:19] complete surprise and, you know, Chet was.

[00:04:22] Last time I saw him, you know, while he had plenty of pain from some back surgeries, he was recovering from, uh, you know, they seem to be in great health. Otherwise,

[00:04:31] Carl Lanore: [00:04:31] I, I tend to want to believe like Romeo and Juliet, you know, he found her and, uh, and, uh, and from a broken heart, he, he, you know, he passed and that's just me.

[00:04:40] I like to put that kind of spin on things, you know?

[00:04:44] Ron Penna: [00:04:44] Yeah. You know, in this case that you might not be putting a spin. I mean, just based on how the situation was when, when the paramedics arrived and everything. That that's quite possible. Um, because while we won't really know maybe the, the, uh, reports, the autopsy report will shed some more [00:05:00] light.

[00:05:00] That is kind of what it looks like.

[00:05:02] Carl Lanore: [00:05:02] Let's talk about his career. Um, he started bodybuilding because of an accident, right?

[00:05:09] Ron Penna: [00:05:09] Yeah. He was 17 years old. I'm in Wisconsin, living in Wisconsin, driving with a friend of his, this is pre seatbelts. Nobody wore seatbelts. Yeah. They hit a slick patch. The car, uh, you know, skipped over the curb.

[00:05:20] They crashed into a big Oak tree and essentially he shattered both of his quadrant while his, um, Famers, uh, you know, against the dash. He was kind of hanging out partway through the windshield and it was just, you know, this was probably 19 early fifties. So. Pretty horrific injury.

[00:05:37] Carl Lanore: [00:05:37] And so, um, resistant training became a way at first for him to rehab, rehabilitate his legs.

[00:05:43] But then what happened? What did he fall in love with the way it felt? The way it looked? Did he ever tell you that story?

[00:05:49] Ron Penna: [00:05:49] He did. It was unusual to me. Um, as a guy who, you know, I've always trained to kind of fighting through the inertia, whereas he was in a wheelchair and his doctor. I was [00:06:00] checking them out and he checked, noticing in the corner, some dumbbells, rusty dumbbells.

[00:06:04] And he said, would it help if I use those? And the doctor said, yeah, actually it would. So he started doing shoulder presses in his wheelchair and curls and said, Oh, it felt so good. And I remember thinking,

[00:06:12] Carl Lanore: [00:06:12] wow,

[00:06:14] Ron Penna: [00:06:14] it felt terrible. The first time I lifted weights, it still feels terrible, but he just took to it.

[00:06:19] And once he rehabbed himself, I mean the, the surgery, they did the surgeon at the time. Putting a pin in someone's leg. They, Oh, they were going to amputate it and shuts it. Absolutely. No way. He was 17 years old. He said no way, no way, no way. And his resistance, uh, got them to fly somebody in, which is kind of an interesting lesson in and of itself.

[00:06:36] You know, he didn't allow them to do that. And they, they did this experimental

[00:06:40] Cory Conklin: [00:06:40] procedure, put a

[00:06:41] Ron Penna: [00:06:41] rod in his leg and, you know, he was squatting 600 pounds, um, eight years later, something like that.

[00:06:47] Carl Lanore: [00:06:47] So, um, when did he decide to become a professional bodybuilder and start competing?

[00:06:54] Ron Penna: [00:06:54] Well, he started lifting weights in Wisconsin.

[00:06:57] His dad worked at a place called [00:07:00] desirous earring, which is this big manufacturing company. They make like. Not caterpillars obviously,

[00:07:04] Carl Lanore: [00:07:04] but you know, big

[00:07:05] Ron Penna: [00:07:05] trucks equipped things on treads and stuff. Uh, and they had a gym. And he asked us that, can I look at it? And he went and it was, it hadn't been open in 10 or 15 years.

[00:07:14] So it was cobwebs everywhere. He spent a couple of weeks cleaning it all up and then just started training there. Um, and he, I think he added, let me guess he said, uh, he added, uh, 50 pounds. In nine months. I think it was, it was incredible. I remember he told me to start. You went to the beach, like about a year later, I ran into a girl.

[00:07:36] He had dated and he started talking to her and she didn't seem to recognize them. And she said, who are you? So don't shut you off. And he said, no, you're not. And she didn't believe that because he looked so such a transformation. And then some of the guys in the gym said, you know, you should consider competing.

[00:07:49] Um, and that's when he did a couple of local, uh, Wisconsin shows did well and said, Oh, wow, man, maybe I can actually do something.

[00:07:57] Carl Lanore: [00:07:57] Do you think there was any chance he had some, uh, Mo [00:08:00] uh, Monistat, no thing going on

[00:08:05] Ron Penna: [00:08:05] possibly. I mean, he has the ability he has, um, He, he puts on muscle, obviously very well. I mean, nothing crazy.

[00:08:13] Like when you see him, you're like, Oh my gosh, this isn't a human,

[00:08:16] Carl Lanore: [00:08:16] nothing like that. But

[00:08:17] Ron Penna: [00:08:17] he probably had a propensity for it. Um, you know, my wife has some of that's genetics too. She could, if she wanted them. And she actually has always been very careful with weights, not to lift too much of the whole adage.

[00:08:27] Oh, women don't need to worry about, you know, putting on too much muscle. She actually did. She she's very careful with that. So there's probably something there. Is it myostatin hard to say, but. That it certainly is some sort of component there.

[00:08:38] Carl Lanore: [00:08:38] Well, I mean, so he, he was. He was a vocal, uh, dissident, uh, about using anabolic steroids and, and kind of segue kind of into this part of the story as well.

[00:08:51] Um, he is one of the few people that actually beat Arnold Schwartzenegger and the 1966 NAB, uh, Mr. Universe, which Arnold, [00:09:00] um, Says, even as you point out and you can tell the story to this day that it changed his opinion of what he had to do to be a bodybuilder. And I'm going to put this picture up for a second.

[00:09:12] So if you can, so the picture on the far left, uh, is him in his prime when he was competing, where is he in the middle? There is that like in his fifties, you think?

[00:09:25] Ron Penna: [00:09:25] I think that

[00:09:25] Carl Lanore: [00:09:25] he is

[00:09:27] Ron Penna: [00:09:27] 40. Two or 48? Um, I think that's like 1976 and he was born in 39. So you can do the math. Um, at the, I can't, I can't remember the content.

[00:09:41] Carl Lanore: [00:09:41] Oh, that's okay. The, the, the age, the forties, but then the most extinguishing part is his, his physique is, is almost wholly intact. Uh, the roundness of the shoulders go as we age, but it's so, so much more strided his arms look pretty much [00:10:00] the same. How old is he in the, in the picture with the gray hair?

[00:10:04] Ron Penna: [00:10:04] Uh, he's either 74 to 76 in that picture.

[00:10:07] That was his final real guests posing that he ever did.

[00:10:10] Carl Lanore: [00:10:10] It was astonishing. I mean, you know, obviously one great thing about, uh, Not using drugs is that it's probably a lot easier to maintain muscle as you age because you don't have to use drugs, but they had it. He looked to me to have it real genetic gifts.

[00:10:29] That's all I could say. Real genetics.

[00:10:32] Ron Penna: [00:10:32] Yeah, he did. And you know, the anabolic steroid, uh, situation really kind of in, at least here in California, kind of began in the early sixties. And she wasn't like a anti steroid guy by any Nazy. He considered it, it was 1965. I remember the Dean of a chiropractic college, um, came over to his house one day and they started talking and he said, Chet, you don't want to touch this stuff, which I was like, why not?

[00:10:55] And he given us real lecture. And that was, that was transformative because that's where he realized, wow, you know, [00:11:00] I've come this far without it. And maybe I shouldn't go down that path. And he ended up, um, flushing them down the toilet and you know, my grandma, my, uh, father-in-law is not an exaggerator. He doesn't paint himself in some amazing light.

[00:11:11] That was just a turning point for him. And that's how he ultimately became the father of natural bodybuilding because he really thought, Hey guys,

[00:11:18] Carl Lanore: [00:11:18] And

[00:11:18] Ron Penna: [00:11:18] as soon as we start using steroids, it blurs the lines and it was something that he really, really bothered him for the rest of his life at that point.

[00:11:26] Carl Lanore: [00:11:26] So, uh, Arnold came to the United States and lived with Chet.

[00:11:30] Right.

[00:11:32] Ron Penna: [00:11:32] Um, I know that they picked him up at the airport. Um, and you know, they, they spent time with him early. I don't know that that, uh, ever lived with him. Did, did they maybe shelter him for some days? Sure. And they hung out and. Um, you know, I've talked to Arnold several times at the Arnold classic and he always comes over to our booth and, um, you know, talks to Shannon.

[00:11:50] He remembers when Shannon was in diapers. So, um, he was a figure around all the time, knew Shannon's mom very well. And yeah,

[00:11:58] Carl Lanore: [00:11:58] but that, that loss that [00:12:00] Arnold, uh, uh, endured against Chet in 1966, left an indelible memory, uh, and affected his career, moving forward. He's even told you that story. He said that, right.

[00:12:11] Or did he tell you, he said it at one of the shows one day, right?

[00:12:14] Ron Penna: [00:12:14] Yeah, we were actually at the Arnold classic or the Arnold sports festival about maybe 10 years ago, or maybe a little over and every Sunday morning, you know, Arnold does that kind of training seminar. Then one of the things he talked about is I need to use people in your lives, whether it's, uh, uh, Franco Colombo, that's pushing her in the gym or the image of a check yours, and it's pushing you to, you know, become better.

[00:12:34] And, you know, shampoo looked at each other like, wow, here we are. What 40 plus years later after this competition, And he's still thinking about that. Obviously he was one of Scott was one of three guys that beat Arnold Schwarzenegger in bodybuilding and those memories, I think, um, Arnold did a really good job of using those and, and driving himself forward in that.

[00:12:53] You, it certainly didn't feed him. It just, it just made him stronger.

[00:12:56] Carl Lanore: [00:12:56] So, um, Chad suffered from chronic pain, [00:13:00] uh, later in life because of back surgeries. Tell us a little bit about what happened.

[00:13:04] Ron Penna: [00:13:04] Yeah, so he, you know, when I first met him, um, if you were to S he was probably in his early

[00:13:09] Carl Lanore: [00:13:09] seventies, if you, if you were

[00:13:10] Ron Penna: [00:13:10] walking away from you, when you saw him from the back, you'd think he was a 30 or 40 year old guy, a lot of muscle, very, you know, built guy.

[00:13:16] Um, and then later he started having some back issues. And, um, he got a couple of back surgeries and I think if I can speak, frankly, that was probably because Chad was really good at training. He knew how to put on size and strength, but he probably wasn't as, um, educated in, you know, rehab. And prehab and that kind of thing.

[00:13:35] Um, but until he was about 74, he was, you know, able to train just fine. And, uh, my wife thinks that it had to do with, he had one leg that was about an intervention to have shorter than the other. He never wore lifts or anything like that today, they would have, you know, uh, completely dumb that was maybe a shoe lift or something.

[00:13:52] So he always had one foot that was a little short. He couldn't really notice. I mean, he, his body definitely, um, compensated, but if you look at x-rays. His spine [00:14:00] kind of deviated a little bit at the lower back in order to compensate for that. So the pelvis, so that was very likely just, you know, too many decades of, of, of not addressing it.

[00:14:09] But, um, up until then he was swinging perfectly well.

[00:14:13] Carl Lanore: [00:14:13] Yeah. And th that's, uh, there's a lot of people out there that have small deviations in leg length. That do creep up on them as life goes on and causes cha you know, because your body is always trying to compensate for that. And so discs wear unevenly, uh, cartilage and joints, uh, were unevenly and, and even the knee and the ankle suffer.

[00:14:37] And so it makes a lot of sense. How many surgeries did he actually endure?

[00:14:42] Ron Penna: [00:14:42] I think ultimately five. Um, and you know, that, that was one thing. We try to talk to them a lot about getting soft tissue work, deep tissue work, which I think would have helped. And he did do some sessions in the interesting thing was he said, Oh my gosh, they actually helped.

[00:14:53] But I just think a little too old school in that regard. Um, so he never, uh, you know, pursued that as [00:15:00] deeply as he should have probably.

[00:15:02] Carl Lanore: [00:15:02] Yeah, I think there are lots of alternatives out there. If you can find the right doctors to work with and push them a little bit. Like, I would love to see if the lumbar discs that have compressed in my back could be reinflated.

[00:15:15] If I was in an inversion table and someone used it. Used ultrasound guidance to go into the disc with a, with a syringe and put something in it like a glycan or something like that, that would kind of reinflate it since I'm hanging. There would be gravity would be pulling them apart, but trying to find the physician to do that, you know, even if you're willing to sign a, you know, a release.

[00:15:41] It is hard. And so I think there's a lot of things we could be doing. Um, but medicine hasn't caught up with the need of the patient yet. And especially when it comes to orthopedics, in my opinion, they're really good at taking joints out and stuff like that. They're not good at fixing these problems.

[00:16:00] [00:16:00] Ron Penna: [00:16:00] Yeah, I'll go one step further there.

[00:16:01] I think a lot of it's because it's soft tissue, you know, we, we do imaging, so we tend to focus on bones and things that we can see. And soft tissue is so slippery and there's so much subjectivity that it's really hard to quantify these things, but, uh, a really good body worker that knows soft tissue can make people feel like, you know, in your case, when you come to California, I know a guy that we're going to have work on you because a lot of times you'd be like, I was certain, it was my disc because the imaging shows that.

[00:16:30] But a lot of times you can take imaging with people that are completely asymptomatic and their discs are walking as well. Additionally, they change over time. So there's, you know, what might look like? Oh, there's the X that marks the spot. There's the problem often. Isn't so, you know, I've seen soft tissue accounts for so much of that.

[00:16:45] That that's really, I think, why

[00:16:47] Carl Lanore: [00:16:47] did you God continue to check, continue to train, even though he had these surgeries in the back problems, did he train around them or did he keep training? Whatever he could.

[00:16:56] Ron Penna: [00:16:56] He did. He trained, um, until probably the last. So he [00:17:00] was 81 when he died. He probably trained until.

[00:17:03] 70. Seven, something like that. Um, and then, then it just really became unbearable for him.

[00:17:11] Carl Lanore: [00:17:11] But

[00:17:11] Ron Penna: [00:17:11] prior to that, yeah, he obviously in that picture that you showed there, you trained everything, you know, um, did the biggest, hardest thing for him to train was legs because of the fact that you'd had the back surgery, but he, he trained all the way through to at least at least 76.

[00:17:26] Carl Lanore: [00:17:26] I don't, I don't want to, uh, ignore, um, Shannon's mom, what was her first name? Vicky. She was very beautiful. I've seen pictures of them when they were living in Las Vegas and she was very, very beautiful. Was she a fan of physical culture as well?

[00:17:44] Ron Penna: [00:17:44] She surprisingly was, yeah.

[00:17:46] Carl Lanore: [00:17:46] From a

[00:17:46] Ron Penna: [00:17:46] very different, uh, perspective.

[00:17:49] I mean, you know, she lifted the, the aerobics movements in the eighties and everything. Um, and she always, she was really interested in nutrition now. Mostly micro nutrition and supplementation. She read a lot [00:18:00] about it. I mean, She would tell me how in the seventies she would be on the floor splayed out in the health food store, reading these really esoteric books at the time that, you know, a lot of people weren't interested in.

[00:18:08] So that, that was always her. Uh, her interest was definitely nutrition.

[00:18:15] Carl Lanore: [00:18:15] What can people do to, uh, to help pay homage to the passing of Chet Jordan? His, his contribution to bodybuilding? Uh, probably much more than he boasted. He was, he was, he was a modest guy, right? He didn't toot his own horn very much.

[00:18:28] Ron Penna: [00:18:28] He really did not.

[00:18:29] I mean, he, he, you know, he, he lived his life and he had certain principles that he abided by. Uh, I think he always tried to promote natural bodybuilding and I think he had always felt a little bad that, you know, a lot of people question like, Hey, how far can you go? Um, he obviously went very far with it.

[00:18:44] He certainly had, you know, certain genetic gifts. Um, but yeah, he, you know, in terms of paying homage, I mean, I think that people just remembering him and using it to inspire his own training. I think that that would be the, what he would want him to say. Sure. If I can inspire someone just as he would look at the muscle magazines of the, of [00:19:00] the fifties and was inspired by them.

[00:19:02] So that would really be it.

[00:19:04] Carl Lanore: [00:19:04] Any funny stories when you met him, when you were courting his daughter and w what kind of guy was he as a dad and as a father-in-law.

[00:19:11] Ron Penna: [00:19:11] Um, he was, uh, he was a very straightforward guy in the sense that he didn't exaggerate anything. So when he would tell you a story, he told me some stories that I was, you know, found hard to believe sometimes.

[00:19:22] Um, you know, one time when he was coming to LA, he was, uh, he brought a lot of gym equipment because he had a small gym there and he was moving to LA here in 1963, a friend of his said, yeah, I'll take you over. And they had a trailer full of stuff and they were going down a mountain and they could feel the trailer start to pick up momentum and go from side to side.

[00:19:37] And they knew we were trapped and ultimately the, the, uh, the, the weights got so heavy that it made the car completely flipped and destroyed the guy's car totaled. Um, they walked away unscathed, which he wasn't sure how, um, but the, the car was totaled, but, you know, they had to then figure out a way to get the weights from wherever they were in the Rocky.

[00:19:55] So, you know, back to LA, so anything he told you you knew was, was. Sometimes [00:20:00] downplay I'd hear the story later from someone else. And it was actually a little bit more incredible. He was that he was just a person was very straightforward.

[00:20:06] Carl Lanore: [00:20:06] Uh, and that happened again. You shared a story with me the other day, where he actually saved somebody's life.

[00:20:10] Somebody famous, the guy who wrote the man who mistook his wife for a hat, um, kind of a philosophic. What was the, the author's name again?

[00:20:19] Ron Penna: [00:20:19] Oliver sacks. So he's a neurologist well-known. If anyone who saw the movie awakenings, Robin Williams played his character.

[00:20:27] Carl Lanore: [00:20:27] He's written

[00:20:27] Ron Penna: [00:20:27] probably over a dozen books as fascinating books.

[00:20:30] He's the type of guy that can write about, you know, paint, drawing, and they can make it fascinating. And what a strange relationships. And this was in 1965, I think Chet, um, was at the, his train of what he called the pit, which was the old Dennis Beach gym. And somebody said to him, Hey, you know what? You should train with this one guy.

[00:20:47] He's a brain surgeon. It's just like, how would a brain surgeon trained with me? Chet was always known as being very strong when I talked to Franco a couple of years ago and he found out that I was a Chet son-in-law. He said, Oh my gosh, Chad, [00:21:00] that guy was strong. Now when Franco calls you strong, you're strong.

[00:21:04] Um, and uh, the first time he dead lifted, for example, he did 600 pounds now. Yeah, that's just incredible.

[00:21:09] Carl Lanore: [00:21:09] Wow. Um,

[00:21:10] Ron Penna: [00:21:10] so this guy, they introduced him and of course this brain surgeon, which he wasn't a brain surgeon, he was that he was studying neurology at UCLA at the time he's six, five, and he happy, ultimately went on to hold the California at squat record.

[00:21:22] So in his day, all of her socks was a huge weightlifter, really enjoyed it. So they became training partners for almost a year. I think. And one day they decided to go body surfing was a really hot day because they were out on the beach and the waves are really big. And a wave took them all the way to the beach.

[00:21:40] And Oliver sacks actually was thrown on the sand and dislocated his shoulder. And he was then carried back out and Chet got out and was looking around and said, well, where's Oliver. And he saw I'm way out there because he couldn't swim because the shoulders was out of place. So Chuck went out, grabbed him and, you know, they, they struggled back and they were able to get, and he said, yeah, that was one of the scariest days because of how [00:22:00] close they worked, just being pulled under both of them.

[00:22:03] Now he told me this story, and as I said, he's not an exaggerator, but

[00:22:06] Carl Lanore: [00:22:06] I had a

[00:22:07] Ron Penna: [00:22:07] pretty good degree of skepticism. And then one day Chad had daddy, I'm going to write Dolliver sacks. So he wrote a letter to him. And, you know, we sent it off to the publisher and a couple of weeks later, a letter came back. I had a copy of it and it said, Hey, lifesaver.

[00:22:20] And went into the whole story. I was like, Oh my gosh, this story really was true. And for the last, um, five or six years of their lives, they traded letters back and forth. I mean, you know, and, uh, it's kind of an unusual friendship. One guy is a really brilliant, uh, neurologist, his, you know, studies of the brain and, and a bodybuilder from California.

[00:22:38] Uh, but they definitely had a deep, um, uh, friendship and, you know, I think it was a lifelong Oliver sacks probably died. I'm going to say two or three years ago. And up until his death with Chet would still get letters from him. So it was very old school.

[00:22:52] Carl Lanore: [00:22:52] Very fascinating. So, uh, I know that you, you love to paint yourself as a reluctant fan of physical culture, but you're very [00:23:00] strong and you have an amazing physique.

[00:23:01] Did you learn anything from your father-in-law? Did he, did he teach you anything?

[00:23:05] Ron Penna: [00:23:05] Oh, yeah. I mean, we, we talked training a lot and definitely connected on that and, you know, I'll, I'll give you a very specific thing. And one of the things that was taught to him was he was a huge believer in 40 reps for calves.

[00:23:16] Um, and you know, to go back to

[00:23:18] Carl Lanore: [00:23:18] the story you brought up, I I've read, uh,

[00:23:20] Ron Penna: [00:23:20] that one time, you know, short snugger came over from Australia. He was sure he was gonna win. The 1960, 60 universe came over to, uh, London, which is where the contest was held. And he was waiting for the elevator and the elevator doors opened and Chet was inside.

[00:23:33] And according to what I've read, I've never spoken to her at all about this. He said, I knew in that moment that I was going to lose the competition and mostly he knew it because of Chet's calves. And Chad really was known for his calves and his secret was 40 reps. He was a big believer in both seated and standing and he trained quite a bit, but he said that's for him, what it was.

[00:23:54] He used to train them higher or lower wrap, et cetera. Uh, once he started taking them up to 40 is when his calf [00:24:00] growth really, really happens. So that's kind of one tidbit that I definitely have incorporated.

[00:24:03] Carl Lanore: [00:24:03] Well, and, and, and in fact you have fantastic calves, but you didn't always have fantastic cab. So you adopted what he said, I would imagine.

[00:24:10] And built yourself a great city.

[00:24:12] Ron Penna: [00:24:12] Yeah. That's probably one of my most changed body parts. You know, I think calves have this stigma that now you can't really do much about it. It's really not true that they do respond, but it does take. Um, a little bit of effort to make it, uh,

[00:24:27] Carl Lanore: [00:24:27] you see the comment from Josh field did shuts calves inspire Ron's cab training regimen.

[00:24:34] Ron Penna: [00:24:34] As a matter of fact, it did. It's great to hear from some Josh.

[00:24:38] Carl Lanore: [00:24:38] Um,

[00:24:38] Ron Penna: [00:24:38] it definitely inspired, uh, my calf regimen for sure.

[00:24:42] Carl Lanore: [00:24:42] He's in Arizona. I saw a picture of him recently. He's got like a beard. He just needs, he just needs a pan and a pickax and a donkey. And he looked like a, he looked like he should be a panning for gold there.

[00:24:53] Ron Penna: [00:24:53] Some guys can really pull it off. He, he got, he, he's got a really great beard. Um, and he is in Tucson now. [00:25:00] So yeah, they're having a great time there.

[00:25:02] Carl Lanore: [00:25:02] So, um, what can we do? Like, I hate the idea of somebody, of, of checks. Status and contributions to bodybuilding and bodybuilding is morphed into something completely different.

[00:25:16] Um, which is a question I'm gonna ask you in a second. What can we do to help, uh, keep him in the forefront and maybe pay the Ommaya there. Do you think that we, we, we could ever start like a foundation for him or bodybuilding something or other? Yeah,

[00:25:32] Ron Penna: [00:25:32] I mean, I think, you know, you've already taken the first step.

[00:25:35] I think a lot of people are going to be shocked to hear it. And it's interesting how many people had pictures of him on their refrigerator, you know, uh, that he, he met something for two reasons. Some people were just. The golden age of bodybuilding obviously is a big draw for a lot of people. And then you have the people that, uh, that are natural trainers and he has a big place there.

[00:25:54] Um, there's actually a competition that the Oregon cup, which is named after him. So a lot of people there. So I think [00:26:00] this is really the first step Carl and, and making people aware of that. I'm sure there's going to be message boards. Uh, the people are going to reach out to us and, um, you know, who knows where it'll go?

[00:26:08] I know there's. Talk about doing that, like a bodybuilding museum for the golden age. And, you know, um, we have trophies of his and, you know, photos and, uh, you know, I think it will be a groundswell

[00:26:19] Carl Lanore: [00:26:19] from there. Um, did he ever comment to you about the state of bodybuilding? Uh, the current state of bodybuilding, the sizes of these guys and everything else?

[00:26:30] Ron Penna: [00:26:30] Yeah. He really thought it had become grotesque and you know, he really enjoyed that phase where. A person was judged by health. I mean, you really wanted to be able to perform. You wanted to be able to be healthy. And I think that's the part of physical culture that everyone can agree on. It's really clean.

[00:26:45] Later, um, you know, drugs really do blur as a line, uh, because do you see people get back and look fantastic, but you know, before they get too crazy, um, and it's really, you're just taking an exotic, this input of the hormone directly. Um, and it blurs things. So [00:27:00] he really bemoaned the state of the sport towards the end.

[00:27:03] Um, but uh, always loved the fiscal culture piece of it. And you know, to him, there was no distinction between health and performance. He didn't, he never had his diet. If you left in year, uh, lifelong. He was a low Carver. And I saw him prepare for that one that you showed the picture of where he was 74 to 76 for his last, uh, posing.

[00:27:21] And he basically instinctively, and then he took his protein up and he took his fat down a little bit, but he was always just a big animal protein guy. Um, never was big on carbs because, you know, in the sixties that wasn't a big thing and he just never really left that. So it always really worked for him.

[00:27:35] And he just had this amazing ability to just sort of cut down and he would, he would lean up, but he definitely was disciplined.

[00:27:42] Carl Lanore: [00:27:42] The, uh, the heart issue was there, was there any, uh, throw score of sclerosis in the picture? Cause you said he's a big animal protein guy. First thing people are gonna say, well, yeah, he had a heart problem because of that.

[00:27:53] Ron Penna: [00:27:53] Well, I mean, obviously it's hard to tell without really digging in and things, but know that that was, he had, he had a really bad [00:28:00] pneumonia, which is what they said created. This was when he was 77. I think. Um, and, and that also could have been brought about the fact that the back surgeries made him go from very active to sedentary.

[00:28:11] Yes. Um, but he was in the hospital for pneumonia and that's, that's the heart

[00:28:16] Carl Lanore: [00:28:16] issue. You know, most of these bodies, I just had Richard Caspari on the show for the first time in 15 years of the show. And he's a great guy, really like rich. Um, and we talked about the vacuum pose and the fact that these guys can't do vacuum poses today because the sheer amount of food that they eat, you know, everybody wants to blame it on growth hormone.

[00:28:33] It's not growth hormone. Everybody wants to blame it on insulin. It's not insulin. It's the sheer processing of food. Um, because we see it in the general population. We see distended, stomach and Pete and people who aren't physical cultures who eating tons and tons of food. And these guys can't do a vacuum pose anymore just because they're.

[00:28:56] Th they're they're, they're awful. They're their [00:29:00] intestines and everything are just like, so overworked and jammed up with food and everything like that. I got to believe that he cause he had several pictures with amazing vacuum poses. I got to believe that that was one of the things that he thought was just absurd that these guys can't do vacuum poses.

[00:29:17] Ron Penna: [00:29:17] That's probably the number one thing he talked about was the guts and you're right. It is weird how one pose like that. It's kind of a. Not the doorway, but the expression of. You know, health because you're right. If you look in the, in the late sixties a lot, all those guys could do vacuum poses, even the guys that were, you know, the larger ones.

[00:29:33] So, you know, being able to pull that transverse of dominance in and have everything tuck up you're right. It is, uh, telling, um, the example of what's going on.

[00:29:42] Carl Lanore: [00:29:42] Did he ever talk about Vince Geronda? Was he friends with Vince? Geronda

[00:29:45] Ron Penna: [00:29:45] you know? Yeah. We talked about Vance. He met Vince a couple of times. He was so disappointed when he walked into Vincent's gyms.

[00:29:52] Oh my God, this is just a hell hole. The equipment's terrible. Um, so he was never a fan, which is interesting because he ate [00:30:00] very close to the events, derive the maximum definition diet. So, um, you would've thought they would've shared that. And Vince also was. Yeah, kind of a cantankerous guy, but that, that was one personality.

[00:30:10] He didn't have a lot of interactions with him. He was up in the Valley and, you know, Chet went there and I think once he realized that the gym wasn't, um, uh, up

[00:30:17] Carl Lanore: [00:30:17] to

[00:30:18] Ron Penna: [00:30:18] his standards, you know, you know, Chuck errands and a lot of those guys, uh, from that day. Yeah. Chet trained with him. Chuck Sykes. I mean, these guys were brutally strong.

[00:30:27] The fact that Chuck could even train with them is incredible because. Um, I mean, these are some of the strongest guys in the sport and, uh, he was right there, spotting them and doing things. So, uh, he, he, he pretty much knew everyone in that

[00:30:41] Carl Lanore: [00:30:41] and see when they, when they took away. Uh, the compulsory lifts, bodybuilding became a pageant, uh, you know, which, which it's kinda like, you know, it wasn't, it was about health.

[00:30:54] It was about functionality and strength and it was about a well [00:31:00] balanced physique, not too big, not too small in proportion. And the reality is. That when they started to like, go, well, you know, no more, no more of the lifts. Right. Then it didn't matter how strong you were or whether your muscles could even do the work that they look like they could do.

[00:31:17] And then when it was like, yeah, help, that's not important. We just want to look a certain way. It changed completely. And when I look at those physiques of yesteryear, the reason that Chet was able to do what he did in his seventies is because. It was achievable with discipline and diet and you didn't need anything else.

[00:31:41] You didn't need drugs, you didn't need insulin. You didn't need to, you know, glucose, disposal, agents, you needed any of that sort of stuff. And it, it, it's, it's sad that the aberration of bodybuilding has become the centerpiece and all that other good stuff has just kind of fallen away.

[00:32:00] [00:31:59] Ron Penna: [00:31:59] Yeah. And you, you are not the only one who kind of misses that fact.

[00:32:04] I think that's really it. If you think about how most people train, uh, it's there, I mean, the people think about health. I mean, that's a big component as to why people train. It's only at the upper echelons of the sport where it's, it's completely just about, you know, looks at that point and it has become a pageant.

[00:32:19] Carl Lanore: [00:32:19] Well, uh, you know, I want to extend my deepest condolences to you and Shannon losing two parents at one time, this is tragic. It's horrible. Um, and I have a strong belief that we die twice. We die once when our heart stops and we die again. When the last person who remembers us carries our memory of us dies so we can help keep them alive.

[00:32:44] Uh, uh, at, by talking about them, by remembering them, uh, in shows like this and so on. And I would like to do something more to keep Chet, uh, in the forefront. Somehow. Appreciate that.

[00:32:58] Ron Penna: [00:32:58] We'll talk for sure.

[00:33:00] [00:33:00] Carl Lanore: [00:33:00] Anything more, but anyway, I have some ideas actually. I'll share with you later. I want to thank you for coming on, on the air and talking about this today.

[00:33:09] Yeah, no. It's always great to hang out with you. I look, I'm going to let you go now and we're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back on to talk about sports specific training for baseball players, stay tuned. You are listening to and watching superhuman radio. We will be right back. We use oxygen for the power of good

[00:33:34] back to superhuman radio. That handsome guy is Dan capacity. Let me turn your volume down a little bit. I have to adjust your, your audio on the fly here. Uh, before we, before we start this interview, I got to mention something. So December 19th is the, uh, official 15 year anniversary show, uh, superhuman radio, and all I need from those of you listening to the show and watching right [00:34:00] now is for you to send an email to on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. with your full name and just the year.

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[00:34:38] On YouTube all the time is looking forward to the, uh, show that we're going to do later about taking chop meat and making it gourmet. He is in fact, they chef and he is so, uh, mostly, uh, carnivores and he's looking forward to that. So that's a little bit later and in the show. So I got a, an [00:35:00] email from Adam Stroop.

[00:35:02] And he said, can you do a show about baseball? My daughter plays baseball. I want her to be better at it. And, uh, and of course, Dan Kapinsky is the director of marketing for super human radio and director of sales. But he's also a phenom. Dan, how long have you been playing baseball now? No, no, this is true.

[00:35:22] I mean, how long have you been playing baseball? Uh, I've been playing

[00:35:25] Dan Kopitzke: [00:35:25] since I was eight years old.

[00:35:27] Carl Lanore: [00:35:27] Okay. And, and, and you just recently, so every year you go to Arizona for some sort of, uh, invitational, uh, a baseball tournament, right?

[00:35:37] Dan Kopitzke: [00:35:37] Yeah. Men's national tournament every year held out it's the MSPL tournament held out in Arizona every year in October.

[00:35:44] And we've been going out there since 2013

[00:35:47] Carl Lanore: [00:35:47] and you are a pitcher. Yep. And you just came back from that a couple of few months ago. You and your lovely wife, Natalie, and your team won again, right?

[00:35:57] Dan Kopitzke: [00:35:57] Yes we did. Yeah. That's our [00:36:00] a, I think it's our fifth

[00:36:01] Carl Lanore: [00:36:01] championship. So it's fair to say that, you know, a little something about training people for baseball also because you run a facility in North Carolina called the K zone.

[00:36:12] Uh, baseball, uh, facility where you people bring you their children and say, I want my kids to be able to play baseball, maybe get a scholarship, teach them how to play baseball. Right.

[00:36:23] Dan Kopitzke: [00:36:23] That's correct. We work with players from middle school all the way through professional. We've got worked with some major league players as

[00:36:30] Carl Lanore: [00:36:30] well, so, okay.

[00:36:31] Okay. So aside from putting the glove on and throwing the ball or pitching or swinging at the ball, which people, their coaches and facilities probably have them doing, uh, quite a bit. What w w what about in the gym? You're a huge physical called culturist. You have some amazing training, uh, templates that you use that develop better baseball skills, even though it's not on the diamond.

[00:36:59] Talk about that.

[00:37:00] [00:37:00] Dan Kopitzke: [00:37:00] Yeah. So, uh, I've been doing this since 2008, so we've done a bunch of different methods for training. We've tried a whole spectrum of things out with our athletes. Um, and we continue to refine it a year over year. Um, but what we found is that most of our athletes that come in the door

[00:37:24] Ron Penna: [00:37:24] lack,

[00:37:25] Carl Lanore: [00:37:25] um,

[00:37:26] Dan Kopitzke: [00:37:26] the ability to move like a human being was designed to move.

[00:37:30] So we start at the foundation and, um, and this'll be no, um, new news to you, Carl, we, we look at the ancestral. Beginnings of human beings. And if you were to compare the athletes today with our ancestors of a hundred thousand or a million years ago, they probably wouldn't even be able to compete with humans back then because of the way that they can move the strength that they had, just the capability they had to be in to move.

[00:37:57] We would call them probably super [00:38:00] athletes, right. So, what we start with with all of our athletes,

[00:38:04] Ron Penna: [00:38:04] regardless

[00:38:04] Dan Kopitzke: [00:38:04] of their age, is to try to get them to move more like human beings we're designed to move. So we'll assess them, we'll evaluate them and see where their deficiencies are as a human being. I mean, can they, can they squat?

[00:38:15] Like they're supposed to, can they, can they hang, can they swing? Can they crawl? You know, can they lift. You know, where are their weaknesses as a human before we even get into any of the sports specific.

[00:38:28] Carl Lanore: [00:38:28] Fascinating, fascinating. Um, and you know, I never thought about it, but it's almost like, uh, it's almost like you say, I want to build a race car and, and, and you don't even look at the strength of the chassis or any of the other.

[00:38:44] Dynamics of a non race car before you try to start putting high powered. That's fascinating. So I would imagine without assessing that skill level, and it shouldn't even be a skill, right. It should be what we do naturally. Right. But we're so yeah, it was so [00:39:00] far away from that now. But when you start to assess that skill level, you probably can tell right away, this person is not going to have a good swing.

[00:39:09] Uh, did it have to have hard time rotating at the hips for instance, or something? And I don't know anything about baseball. I do know what Levi Garrett is. I chewed a lot of that when my uncle played for the Mets, but that was about it. Um, but you know, so, so there, it starts down there. The basics.

[00:39:26] Dan Kopitzke: [00:39:26] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:39:27] And, and many times it's not that they can't swing well or throw well, it's just, they're on a path that they're going to break down at some point. Um, especially as they get older, we see a lot of them as they move into college and they start to mature physically and they've got poor movement patterns.

[00:39:45] They start getting hurt, um, and careers end in college, or they get into the professional ranks and that's when they. Start to have their injuries, which lead to surgeries, which lead to them being out of the gate. So, you know, for us, number [00:40:00] one is if you're not healthy, you can't train, you can't play, you can't do anything that you really want to do.

[00:40:05] Carl Lanore: [00:40:05] You know, th th th th th I was just thinking, so Adam's Stroop is listening to this and other parents who have children who play sports. Can you do distance training? Can you work with parents whose children live in other States? I just, you know, just,

[00:40:20] Dan Kopitzke: [00:40:20] Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, we have a great online software program, uh, that we use.

[00:40:25] Uh, we've got videos, we've got instructionals, all that stuff. So we've worked with several athletes from all over the world. I just worked with the professional athlete this off season.

[00:40:36] Carl Lanore: [00:40:36] So what's your, what's your website? I didn't even think to ask this earlier.

[00:40:39] Dan Kopitzke: [00:40:39] Uh, it's says K zone academy.com. No hyphen just straight KZ

[00:40:46] Carl Lanore: [00:40:46] Lenny Academy, put it up as a banner real quick.

[00:40:50] Um, because I, I should have had this already, but I didn't even think about it because a lot of parents are going to go, okay. Where do I find somebody in my town that can, and the beauty of [00:41:00] zoom and Skype and taking videos of your child? I would imagine if you're working with somebody from far away, You would say to them, okay, I want you to start taking videos with your iPhone every time they train you.

[00:41:13] And every time they play and start sending them to me.

[00:41:16] Dan Kopitzke: [00:41:16] Exactly. Yeah. There's the software that we use allows them to upload it right there so I can take it, download it, analyze it, upload the, you know, the analyze video and you know, it works really

[00:41:27] Carl Lanore: [00:41:27] well. Excellent. Okay. So once you see the movement pattern, how long so and worst case scenarios.

[00:41:33] You got a kid who's got horrible movement patterns. How long has it taken you to break them down and put them back together?

[00:41:40] Dan Kopitzke: [00:41:40] Uh, it can take years literally.

[00:41:42] Carl Lanore: [00:41:42] Really?

[00:41:43] Dan Kopitzke: [00:41:43] Yeah. So, uh, I'll just give you an example. We have, uh, one of our professional pitchers he's been with us for just over two years now. Um, he came to us after college when he did not get drafted as he was expected to, um, big guy, six [00:42:00] foot six, 245 pounds.

[00:42:03] No big dude, but moves really poorly. And he was throwing upper eighties to low nineties and, and, uh, he just finished basically, actually just did his first bullpen session

[00:42:16] Ron Penna: [00:42:16] of the

[00:42:16] Dan Kopitzke: [00:42:16] off season today. And first pitch he threw was 99 miles an hour. Wow. And, uh, we really felt focused hard on getting him to move better and he continues to work on his movement.

[00:42:28] Quality. He moves far better now than it used to. And. It's not the only thing that's contributed to him throwing 10 miles an hour harder, but it's a big factor. And it's the fact that, you know, he can do it with far less stress on his body. He recovers much better. I mean, the ability to move, like you're supposed to move, you just move much more efficiently.

[00:42:47] It takes far less effort to throw the same speed or lift the same weight, or do any of the amount of work that you would typically do. And if you're putting less effort in. That's less stress on the body, easier [00:43:00] for you to recover and come back the next day and perform whether that'd be training or in a game.

[00:43:05] So there really, there really is no timeframe. Everybody's doing

[00:43:08] Carl Lanore: [00:43:08] two, two things that I think of when you talk like about this. So the first thing I think of is that if you're serious about. Your child playing baseball, not even becoming a pro because they could actually stop to develop those bad habits.

[00:43:21] Let's call them for lack of better terms. Very early on that there's probably things that you could do for that parent, even if they it's, uh, a couple, Hey look, your kid's doing this. Don't let them do that anymore. And he'll be fine. So parents really should reach out to you when their children are very young.

[00:43:39] I mean, you know, they're playing baseball in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. That's when they need to get in touch with you, because then you don't have to break them down and put them back together again, you just teach them what to do from the get-go.

[00:43:51] Dan Kopitzke: [00:43:51] Yeah. It's kind of a double-edged sword. I, you know, I, I, that is a good age to start.

[00:43:56] I mean, that's where we start the, you know, the kids training here. [00:44:00] Yeah. I mean, arguably you could start sooner. Ideally they would be moving, um, much sooner, but, um, I just, you know, it's just, cause the kids just aren't as active as they need to be at the young age. I mean, when they're six, seven, eight years old, they should be out playing all the time.

[00:44:14] They shouldn't, I mean, they shouldn't be paying or going to someone to get lessons or instruction when they're six, seven, eight years old, they should just be out playing whatever sport they want to do. They should just be moving. And learning how to move and learning how to enjoy it and not wasting money on bad instruction.

[00:44:34] Um, I've more and more. I just work with kids that it's better off if they haven't had, like, if they come to me for pitching, it's much better off if they haven't had any pitching instruction. If I see a 13 or 14 year old and they tell me, yeah, but I haven't had any pitching lessons or anything. I said, that's, that's great because now I don't have to fix anything.

[00:44:54] I don't have to break you down. You know, unteach, all the things that you've learned, that it put you in the [00:45:00] position you're in now,

[00:45:01] Carl Lanore: [00:45:01] what do you, what do you, what do you attribute some of the, uh, most common defective movement patterns that you see in young people today to what activities are inactive? Is it, is it sitting at a desk?

[00:45:16] Is it, what, what are these kids doing today? That is that that is actually creating the impediments to movement that they will carry through.

[00:45:25] Dan Kopitzke: [00:45:25] I think that the short answer is they're just not moving. Yeah. You know, it's just too much inactivity. They're not moving enough. They're sitting in front of screens all the time.

[00:45:33] They're sitting at a desk in school for seven, eight hours a day. They're sitting in a car or a bus on the way there. And on the way back they get home, they sit down, they're just not active enough. Um, they should be, you know, far more active and if they are then, um, you know, a lot of these problems would go away.

[00:45:51] I mean, I've worked with. Uh, a number of athletes that have come from, you know, other parts of the world, um, you know, the [00:46:00] Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and, you know, places like that, where they don't have all of the luxuries that we have here and the athletes assess way higher than the typical American athlete that, you know, I ask them to do stuff that, you know, many of the athletes here find challenging and they just do it easily.

[00:46:21] Cause, you know, they're used to moving far, far more,

[00:46:24] Carl Lanore: [00:46:24] someone messing up Jimmy the other day and, and said that, uh, so I made a prediction years ago that some, and I've said it a few times on the show over the years that I predict that the jobs that everybody will want in the future are, you know, brick, Mason and landscaper and the jobs that no one will want that these sitting in behind a desk, because these are going to cause early mortality.

[00:46:49] And disease and being out there and moving and working, and we're going to have this flip where all the creature comforts are actually not a good thing. [00:47:00] And that all the cush jobs we think, Oh yeah, he makes $250,000 a day and, uh, a year. And he sits behind a desk five hours, and then he doesn't do anything for the rest of the day that those people go to die of diseases.

[00:47:13] And the guy who's mowing your lawn is going to be robust. And strong and people will start to shift their mentality about the jobs. And what you're saying feeds into that, you know, in the more advanced nations, you know, the kids are sitting and sitting and sitting and sit in some war and then sit in a little bit and then you take them to.

[00:47:32] Play hockey or soccer, and they do that for an hour and a half, two hours and they go back and they sit at their table and the kid in the Dominican Republic, he's running to school and running home and we're going all that poor kid. He has to run to school. No, he's going to be better than you. He's going to, he's going to eat your lunch someday,

[00:47:51] Dan Kopitzke: [00:47:51] right?

[00:47:52] Yeah. And then they're outside playing all day, either before school or after school. I mean, they're not sitting in front of the TV, they don't have screens. I mean, they don't, they don't have a [00:48:00] lot of the lectures we have in some of them, you know, their school is, they don't have a school. So, I mean, they've taken recess out of schools here.

[00:48:07] It's

[00:48:07] Ron Penna: [00:48:07] just,

[00:48:08] Dan Kopitzke: [00:48:08] the physical culture has been really removed from our society from a very young age. We were all born with the ability to, to move with great capability and very slowly but surely that. It's taken away from us when we stopped using it.

[00:48:25] Carl Lanore: [00:48:25] You are a big fan of the deadlift. I know that you have an amazing deadlift template.

[00:48:30] What does the deadlift contribute to what you do now? You're an amazing picture. Real quick. How old are you now? Dan? 53. Okay. 53. You're still pitching. What's your best fastball. I

[00:48:44] Dan Kopitzke: [00:48:44] can still hit 80 miles an hour.

[00:48:45] Carl Lanore: [00:48:45] Okay. So, so, so. Why do you like the deadlift? How does that translate into anything on the diamond?

[00:48:53] Uh,

[00:48:53] Dan Kopitzke: [00:48:53] well, in order to really be successful, you want to be strong in the deadlift is the King of all strength [00:49:00] exercises. So when it comes to training, another approach that we take is we want to spend as little time in the training room, in the weight room as we can to get the maximum benefit.

[00:49:14] Carl Lanore: [00:49:14] Right.

[00:49:15] Dan Kopitzke: [00:49:15] Especially for the professional athletes. I mean, they need to spend as much time as they can developing their skill, whether that be hitting or pitching or fielding, but the actual sports specific stuff. Um, and the weight room is just something to help support them perform better on the field, perform those skills better.

[00:49:34] And being stronger is, is one of the big factors. And the deadlift we found is the most efficient way. To build strength in baseball athletes. I mean, uh, it really focuses a lot on the posterior chain, the hip hinge, those are movements that are in areas of the body and very important for performance and health on a baseball player.

[00:49:57] So, uh, that's why we use it. We've got [00:50:00] several different variations. We deadlifts very differently and probably most other places. So we get a lot of other benefits out of the deadlift that, you know, maybe other people don't, uh, cardiovascular. Um, benefits that, you know, we get that, you know, kind of simulate sprinting as opposed to, you know, having to go outside and sprint without any of the pounding, um, or, you know, any long distance running.

[00:50:23] We build up that aerobic base. Um, you know, as you're aware, I mean, baseball players need to be very explosive, right. And so they use the ATP energy system. But, you know, that gets used up very quickly and that gets replenished most efficiently from the aerobic system. So if you don't have a strong aerobic base, you know, you might be able to throw, you know, five or six pitches and then you're really gonna start to see a decline.

[00:50:46] So, um, if you want to be able to last through the inning or last deep into a game, or, you know, have stamina throughout the season, you need to have that strong aerobic base, you know, to draw from, to keep [00:51:00] generating that high output.

[00:51:02] Carl Lanore: [00:51:02] Okay. So the shoulder is a very, very complex and easy to injure joint. Um, where do you stand on, regardless of whether you want a pitch or field throwing a ball is critical.

[00:51:17] Uh, swinging a bat is critical. The shoulder plays a big role in both of these. Where do you, you stand on things like overhead presses and bench presses and that sort of thing.

[00:51:28] Dan Kopitzke: [00:51:28] Uh, my position is as long as it's a natural human right movement, then there, you know, we shouldn't be doing it. So, you know, we'll do stuff overhead all the time.

[00:51:40] Um, I prefer to do more hanging and climbing activities, but we spend a lot of emphasis on, uh, the two main joints that we really hammer the hips and the shoulders, because they're so important there. Really complex joints and that's where all of our power is going to be generated whether in swinging [00:52:00] or throwing.

[00:52:01] Um, so we spent a lot of the time really strengthening the shoulder in all kinds of different directions, pushing polling. I mean, you name it isometric eccentric, concentric. I mean, all of the different variations where we're mixing in, you know, and, and as much as possible in practical movement patterns.

[00:52:19] So hanging and swinging. You know, like, you know, kids on a, on a playground on the monkey bars, we spend a lot of time there

[00:52:26] Carl Lanore: [00:52:26] took the monkey bars away from kids. I mean, every, I don't know about you, but I have a scar right here that I know about 10 other people have. And I say, how'd you get that? Oh, I fell off the monkey bars.

[00:52:40] We all fell off the monkey bars and hit one of the bars on the way down right here, but big deal. So now they go on their own, no more monkey bars, cause kids will get hurt.

[00:52:50] Dan Kopitzke: [00:52:50] Yeah, we got to protect him. There's all the liability issues. And everybody just wants to Rudy be safe. I mean, especially, I mean,

[00:52:57] Carl Lanore: [00:52:57] couldn't be more

[00:52:58] Dan Kopitzke: [00:52:58] obvious in today's world that it's [00:53:00] all about being safe, right?

[00:53:01] So, um, in our perspective, the best way to be safe as an athlete is to know how to move and use your body, you know, not to avoid movement, but to embrace it, become. Is efficient and powerful and a movement as you can.

[00:53:18] Carl Lanore: [00:53:18] We, we could not do a show to illustrate what your child should be doing. But we can do a show that will put you at ease to understand that this man knows what he's talking about.

[00:53:31] When it comes to training baseball athletes, the website, the website is KZ O N E Academy, a C a D E M Y. Is that, did I spell that right Academy? Yeah, you did. I'm getting good once in a while. I get it right. K zone academy.com. You can reach out to him. And talk to him about distance training for your child.

[00:53:54] You know, always when we were talking about natural fluidity, you know, earlier in the show, we were talking about Chet [00:54:00] yarning in his seventies and even eighties. Uh, when you saw him from the back, you thought he was a much younger man, because he had not only the musculature, but a fluidity to his stride.

[00:54:11] That's indicative of someone who's not old. I remember doing a show with Kelly Badgett I think his name was maybe it wasn't Kelly by, uh, uh, moving like a supple leopard. I think it was

[00:54:23] Dan Kopitzke: [00:54:23] Kelly.

[00:54:24] Carl Lanore: [00:54:24] And, uh,

[00:54:24] Dan Kopitzke: [00:54:24] Kelly .

[00:54:25] Carl Lanore: [00:54:25] So, yeah, that's it. Cause Kelly Badgett was the guy who did my show in 2006 about jumping for BA BA basketball players.

[00:54:32] Um, and you know, when we look at leopards, we look at animals in the wild. If they were subjected to the things we subject to our children too. And in the lack of. Uh, movement the high restrictions of doing anything that leopards would die because they'd never be able to catch a gazelle. They wouldn't be able to run fast enough.

[00:54:52] They'd be running like this, you know, all locked up and it's, it's amazing that the answer to your child's [00:55:00] skill level may be let them go out and be children. Let them hurt themselves. Let them fall down. Yeah, it's

[00:55:06] Dan Kopitzke: [00:55:06] okay. Exactly. I mean, we do a lot of the, what someone would consider sports specific

[00:55:12] Ron Penna: [00:55:12] stuff.

[00:55:12] Dan Kopitzke: [00:55:12] A lot of rotational training, you know, med balls, a lot of ex you know, explosive rotational, uh, movement patterns, but you have to be really careful, careful with that. If you're stacking that on top of, you know, a poor movement, the athlete's just going to end up hurt. And one of the biggest issues with baseball, you'll see it in golf and hockey and, uh, you know, other sports that are.

[00:55:35] Unilateral or asymmetric. I mean, you always throw with the same way, your

[00:55:40] Carl Lanore: [00:55:40] switch.

[00:55:42] Dan Kopitzke: [00:55:42] Yeah. Unless you're a switch hitter, you're always hitting from the same way. So, uh, the big thing that, you know, you have to be aware of is trying to find some balance. If you're going to do rotational activities, you have to try to balance it with doing it in the other direction too, and build a solid base through other, other strength training and other movement training.

[00:55:59] So [00:56:00] you're not. So out of whack with one side of your body versus the other. And that's, you know, part of that, you know, I think a lot of people miss when they, you know, they start signing their kids up for lessons and for training, they want that sports specific stuff. They want them doing all the rotational stuff.

[00:56:15] They're doing it all season long and then they do it all off season. And then, you know, before you know it, you know, they're totally, you know, unbalanced and starting to complain about this, this hurting, that hurt, and they're getting this injury. Or that injury. So,

[00:56:28] Carl Lanore: [00:56:28] so it's funny that

[00:56:28] Dan Kopitzke: [00:56:28] we still, and we still do all of those activities,

[00:56:31] Carl Lanore: [00:56:31] right?

[00:56:31] It's I didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's funny. Well, I have the thought in my head before it jumps out, you know, people used to break tiger woods chops because he lifted weights and they said, Oh, your career's going to end early if you do that. And then, and he's one of the few golfers that doesn't have side to side, um, scoliosis and, you know, people, people, yeah.

[00:56:54] People, people will go to, um, A doctor and the doctor say, Oh, you've got side to side [00:57:00] or front to back scoliosis. Like, like the spine is the problem. Oh, your spine is messed up. If you took that spine out of that person's body and held it, it would hang straight. The reason it's not hanging straight in your body is because it's got muscles that imbalanced pulling it this way and that way.

[00:57:20] And it's, it's staggering to me when doctors go to people with scoliosis, It's just going to get worse. We could do surgery. It's like, wait a minute. How about looking at it? Like a bridge, right? You got Guidewire's on a bridge. Right. And if you're looking at the roadway of the bridge and you notice that it's from left to right, it's got a little bit of a slant.

[00:57:41] Would you, would you break the bridge up and rebuild it or would you go loosen those wires? Tighten those wires. Oh, look it straightened out. That's the spine. The spine is a result of the motor fossils, that incident upon it. And you're exactly right. These kids who golf. 1520 years. [00:58:00] All they're doing is this, this right to left rotation thousand times a week.

[00:58:04] Yeah. Their backs are going to bother them at some point in time because they have muscles that are just giving up though. Like, Hey, you know what, when he never asks us to do anything. So let the other muscles do. And you, you end up with whacked out spines.

[00:58:17] Dan Kopitzke: [00:58:17] Yeah. Yeah. We see, we see a lot of back injuries, lower back injuries, spinal type related.

[00:58:23] It might show up in the hip. It might, it might show up any the elbow. Um, you never know where along the chain, the injury is going to happen, but you know, many times it originates from a point that if you're not, you know, that's different than where you're feeling the injury or feeling the bank.

[00:58:38] Carl Lanore: [00:58:38] Yeah.

[00:58:39] Yeah, the website is K zone academy.com. If you have a child that plays baseball, get in touch with Dan, allow him to, uh, evaluate your child and sign up for, uh, one of their programs. So how did the programs work? If I, if I reached out to you and says, Hey, I want you to work with my child. They're in high school or they're in college or whatever, most likely high school.

[00:59:00] [00:59:00] Um, what is the indoctrination process? W what's what's the process?

[00:59:05] Dan Kopitzke: [00:59:05] Uh, well, we would do an assessment. We I'd give them an assessment do in video, you know, where they are upload the videos, I would review it. And then I'd be able to put together a training plan for them to do, um, identify what equipment they need to execute the plan.

[00:59:20] And, you know, we'd go from there and I'll be executed through the, through the software we put together basically a week by week plan for the athlete to follow. No, that'll be based on what their goals are, where they are, when their season's going to begin. You know, all those factors are factored in.

[00:59:37] Carl Lanore: [00:59:37] There you go. And,

[00:59:39] Dan Kopitzke: [00:59:39] and, you know, we work, like I said, with professional players, college players,

[00:59:43] Carl Lanore: [00:59:43] is there, is there a seat? Is there someone sign up any time or is there a seasonal, like you have to get in at, these are the three times we're rolling. New snotty around.

[00:59:53] Dan Kopitzke: [00:59:53] I mean, th the training will change based on where in the season they are, you know, we'll do different things if they're in [01:00:00] season, uh, versus, you know, when they're in their off season, you know, what many of these younger kids are playing other sports?

[01:00:06] You know, we can factor that in, you know, if they're doing a sport, you know, the training for baseball will be something less intensive than if they're not playing another sport where, you know, they've got more time available to do more training. But, you know, with the younger kids, uh, you know, as I've said before, they just need to get out and do more.

[01:00:24] You know, a lot of these kids just don't move enough, don't train enough. Don't, you know, don't do anything. And one of the things that we do different than a lot of other places is we don't do lessons, you know, and that's what a lot of people are looking for. They want to sign their kid up and bring them in for a 30 minute

[01:00:37] Carl Lanore: [01:00:37] or

[01:00:38] Dan Kopitzke: [01:00:38] 60 minute lesson.

[01:00:39] You know, once a week and then the kid doesn't do anything in between lessons. You end up doing the same thing week after week, he wasn't making any progress. So we focus more on training, teaching them how to train, to get better so that they can develop. And it doesn't matter where they take it. Even if they end up at playing a sport, they've learned how to train.

[01:00:57] And we also want them to [01:01:00] take ownership of their training and become their own best coach. You know, understand why they're doing what they're doing and what it takes to get them out of a funk. Or if they're having an issue, teach him how to, how to resolve that issue. Because the only person that is on the pitcher's mound with them every time is them.

[01:01:20] I'm not going to be at every one of their games. Their parents likely won't be at every single one of their games. Their coaches are going to change. Their teammates are going to change. So the only person they can truly rely on to save them. When they need to be saved is them. So the sooner they can understand that and learn how to, you know, fix their own issues, make the adjustment they need to make in the game.

[01:01:42] The better off they're going to be.

[01:01:43] Carl Lanore: [01:01:43] You ever have this conversation with a parent, your kid has no interest. Don't even waste your time anymore.

[01:01:51] Dan Kopitzke: [01:01:51] Um, in, in,

[01:01:52] Carl Lanore: [01:01:52] in some sort of way, we have a very,

[01:01:54] Dan Kopitzke: [01:01:54] uh, do a very good job of weeding those, uh, those people out. It was grayed out right up front.

[01:01:58] Carl Lanore: [01:01:58] Good. Yeah. [01:02:00] Yeah, because there's nothing worse than having a kid who has no interest as father or mother wants him to play baseball.

[01:02:05] His heart is not in it. He's your parents signed. You signed them up for a course, whatever, you know, the length of program that is required. You, him, the kid exercise to do every time. The kid. No, I didn't do anything this week. And it's like, well, wait a minute. Let's stop wasting your mom and dad's money.

[01:02:21] You don't want to play baseball? No, I told them I don't want to play baseball. Okay. I'll tell them for you now. You know, it's like, I'll have, I'll have a talk with your mom and dad to explained that you have no interest in this and they're wasting their time.

[01:02:32] Dan Kopitzke: [01:02:32] Yeah. Like I said, we do a good job. We'd net up front.

[01:02:35] Most of the parents that bring their kids in here, they, you know, they're on the same page, you know, they understand it's the kids, that's making the choice. It's not them.

[01:02:44] Carl Lanore: [01:02:44] The website is K's own academy.com. Dan Kopecki is also on the team of superhuman radio. If you ever want to advertise on superhero, or you can reach out to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

[01:02:59] And hell, you [01:03:00] could reach out to them that way too, if you want to sign your kids up for it for baseball training. So there you go, Dan. Thanks for coming in and talking about this today, man.

[01:03:07] Dan Kopitzke: [01:03:07] Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for having me on Carl.

[01:03:09] Carl Lanore: [01:03:09] Yeah. I'm Hey, you know what? I don't want to play baseball, so don't worry about hearing from me.

[01:03:14] I don't even want to do your deadlift routine right now between you and me. I am so out of shape right now. I have, I have so much going on and I can't even motivate myself to go to the gym. Now that I have to wear a mask.

[01:03:28] Dan Kopitzke: [01:03:28] Yeah, my son's going to try, uh, one of our methods for the first time today. So I'm kind of excited to hear how that went for him.

[01:03:34] Carl Lanore: [01:03:34] Yeah. Very good. Excellent. Excellent.

[01:03:36] Dan Kopitzke: [01:03:36] Yeah, it's good. It's good for anybody? Not just for baseball player.

[01:03:38] Carl Lanore: [01:03:38] Yeah. Yeah, no, I know that. Hi Dan. Thanks for doing this today. And, uh, we will talk to you later. Okay.

[01:03:44] Dan Kopitzke: [01:03:44] Thanks Carl.

[01:03:45] Carl Lanore: [01:03:45] All right, we're going to take one quick commercial break. And when we come back, we are going to be joined by Kelly, uh, Corey Corey Conklin.

[01:03:52] I had a kid that I grew up with named Kelly Kelly Conklin, and I always try to call care. Uh, Corey Kelly. No, that's my bad. And [01:04:00] he's going to teach us how we can actually turn ground beef into something gourmet, stay tuned. We'll be right back with more. Hold on a second. I got to do something real quick. I knew it.

[01:04:14] It was too good to be true, but. Come on. Come on. Here we go. I stay tuned. We'll be right back. You are listening to the superhuman channel. We're ripped and we're ready.

[01:04:32] Hey. Hey, welcome back to another episode. I've got misdemeanor. This is the third interview in the same. Um, I'm having some technical difficulty today. Corey, hold on a second. My green, when it works. Yeah. My green screen is disappearing on me. My soundboard just died, but the show must go on, especially this show and that's because no one loves chop meat more than me.

[01:04:53] In fact, it's my preferred beef, uh, because of a couple of reasons. Number one, [01:05:00] it's a generally. Um, a tougher cut of meat that ends up becoming chopped meat, which means it has more college in it. And college is good college. It has glycine and college and balances. The effects of Mathias  from high protein diets.

[01:05:15] Number one, number two, it's already been chewed, so you can digest it a lot easier. And you're going to get a lot more nutrition from. From ground beef and number three, it's the least expensive. So when you add that to the two benefits, I just said, it's like, why? I mean, I have Tomahawk steaks. I have great steaks.

[01:05:37] I always go for the ground beef, but the problem is ground beef gets old after awhile. The flavor just gets old.

[01:05:46] Cory Conklin: [01:05:46] If, if you don't know what you're doing it, it can, yeah, it becomes stale. It's like I've had this already and yet, uh, With the right seasonings has we'll discuss. And also with the variety of recipes, you can make minor [01:06:00] adjustments sometimes and have something completely different.

[01:06:03] And like I mentioned before, there was one day I had hamburgers. I put our a habanero, garlic pepper on one. I put probably our Memphis style, barbecue rub on the other. It was like Keating two completely different meals. I went from one to the other thinking. I'm eating the exact same thing, but it was a different experience between the two.

[01:06:22] So something as simple as just changing ups, seasonings, and spices, it can make a big difference.

[01:06:28] Carl Lanore: [01:06:28] So let's talk about that. Tell, tell that. So what do you do first of all, when you make ground beef and you want it to just be so delicious that you just want to eat it over and over again.

[01:06:40] Cory Conklin: [01:06:40] I like to, well, I, yesterday I went and bought 40 pounds of ground beef.

[01:06:44] It was on sale and I'll break those down into roughly two and a half pound packages and several of them, I will preseason. So I'll put, for example, our savory taco seasoning on there. Vacuum seal it, throw it in the freezer and I'll label it taco, [01:07:00] uh, but our range tasks that can one label it that way.

[01:07:02] When time comes for dinner, I can see what flavors are ready to go. I don't have to worry about mixing anything in and going, well, I don't write, there it is. I'm done. And, uh, you're all set then it's a case of, well, which recipe I'm going to mix it in or am I going to be simple today and just stick with hamburgers?

[01:07:20] You know, in that case, you just. Pull it out and make it, you know, let it thought, make your patties and throw on the grill or in the pan or not. If you go

[01:07:27] Carl Lanore: [01:07:27] now, w we have a special deal right now to everyone listening and watching the show. If you go to SHR network.biz/s S S for select savory snacks and seasonings, everything's got an S in it.

[01:07:42] So it's easy to remember. Um, my audience will actually say something ridiculous, like 25% off, right.

[01:07:48] Cory Conklin: [01:07:48] I think it's 15%.

[01:07:49] Carl Lanore: [01:07:49] Okay. There you go. 15% off of, and how many different seasonings do you offer?

[01:07:55] Cory Conklin: [01:07:55] I have at least 60 different seasonings and spices. So that'll be individuals, uh, [01:08:00] with the holidays are brought in, you know, like your nutmeg and so forth like that.

[01:08:03] And then a lot of your barbecue individuals, people like to just have their smoked sweet paprika or the cayenne and the like some heat and then have actual blends. I believe I've got. 45 to 50 and blends. They're all fresh gourmet. Sugar-free additive free. There's nothing in there with seasonings and spices.

[01:08:23] Whereas if you go to the store, one taco brand off the top of my head, it's taco seasoning. The first ingredient is corn meal, not even a spice,

[01:08:32] Carl Lanore: [01:08:32] right?

[01:08:33] Cory Conklin: [01:08:33] Most of them throw sugar in is the first ingredient. Uh, we. You know, three years ago said, there's no way, uh, this, the sugar is killing us. It's killing me.

[01:08:42] And I need to offer products that are going to be clean, healthy, and insanely flavorful because they're small batch. I tell people start with half of what a recipe calls for, unless it's the recipe off of my website, because that's based upon my seasonings and go from there. That's how much. More fresh.

[01:09:00] [01:08:59] They aren't compared to what you buy in the stores.

[01:09:01] Carl Lanore: [01:09:01] So, uh, we have, uh, uh, a viewer, uh, who lives in Las Vegas, uh, brave new order films. And he said he saw the beef tar tar because there is an image of raw meat in the, uh, on the screen here, as you could see right there. And, uh, so, you know, I, I caution to tell people to eat.

[01:09:25] Uh, raw beef. I eat raw beef. I don't think there's anything, but I know where my beef is coming from. So it doesn't, it doesn't scare me. Could you use spices to somehow cure

[01:09:37] Cory Conklin: [01:09:37] beef with the right spices? You could, you could do it, but the Keurig process is more, uh, with, uh, temperature and humidity control. Uh, so for example, with our biltong and our drove Wars,

[01:09:51] Ron Penna: [01:09:51] that's

[01:09:52] Cory Conklin: [01:09:52] the seasonings aren't necessarily.

[01:09:55] What's causing a lot of that curing it's part of it, but the temperature and humidity control have a [01:10:00] lot to do with that.

[01:10:01] Ron Penna: [01:10:01] So you can do

[01:10:02] Cory Conklin: [01:10:02] it, but you gotta have to have the right little setup at the house to,

[01:10:04] Carl Lanore: [01:10:04] so if I wanted it, if I had some great ground beef that I got from my farmer or from the folks at Piedmontese, I loved their ground beef, by the way.

[01:10:13] Uh, and it's, and it's been in the freezer and I eat it raw all the time and I'm not afraid to. What spices that you carry, would you add to my raw beef to make it, uh, more flavorable and enjoy it as a, as a beef tar

[01:10:30] Cory Conklin: [01:10:30] that would just come down to what, what, what is your, um, What's your mom telling you want to eat that day?

[01:10:37] Are you looking for more of a sweet flavor? Our select chop house seasoning as a sweet salty flavor. I liken it to a seasoning salt. A lot of people ask if I have a seasoning salt, and that's what I direct them to. Cause that's what it's, uh, the flavor profile it has. Of course, if you like tacos, taco seasoning works well.

[01:10:56] Um, Memphis style, um, yeah, the Memphis style, barbecue rub and feel [01:11:00] like a barbecue flavor of what I was thinking of was a Montreal seasoning. Uh, very well known flavor. Uh, it has again, a sweet flavor to it. It's salty and savory along with that, but it really comes down to what do you want to have that day?

[01:11:16] Because they're all going to work. That's the beauty of it. And what's such a variety. I mean, at my house, it's like, I stand up the cupboard going, uh, I'll have this today because. It just really comes down to what, what is it you feel like eaten that day?

[01:11:31] Carl Lanore: [01:11:31] You mix your, how do you make your seasoning into the pre made beef that you're going to prepare and then put it away until you're ready?

[01:11:39] Do you use like a food processor or do you hand the,

[01:11:42] Cory Conklin: [01:11:42] I just can't I hand needed I'll I'll throw it in a bowl and then tables, uh, usually about a tablespoon per pound. And I just mix it in. So it's nice blended well, and then since I use a vacuum sealer, I'll try to flatten it out pretty well in that bag vacuum, seal it shut.

[01:11:58] So it's a nice flat, [01:12:00] takes up less space in the freezer then compared to trying to put around Chubb in there, for example, and then again, label it, date it. So you know how old it is and. AKI go.

[01:12:11] Carl Lanore: [01:12:11] So brave new order film says I'm a chef with fine dining experience, but I do not eat most of what I cook, especially plant oils.

[01:12:20] I cook my proteins and beef tallow and duck fat. Lastly, I'm currently cooking in Lake Tahoe. Uh, the Wim Hof method and cold showers have helped me with my cold tolerance immensely. So do you have, um, Professional chefs who use your seasonings. And if so, do you have any kind of professional, uh, you know, special approach to working with chefs?

[01:12:45] I

[01:12:45] Cory Conklin: [01:12:45] haven't yet. I haven't had the opportunity to talk to anybody or that has, is a professional chef. I'm confident if they did use our products, they would be very pleased with them because again, small batch, fresh products, much better than what they're going to [01:13:00] find in most stores. Um, That's just not an opportunity that I've had yet, but, uh, if your, your friend from Vegas would love to give them a try, I, you can give them my email and go from there.

[01:13:11] I actually lived in Vegas for a couple of years. So it'd be interesting to know where they're at out there.

[01:13:15] Carl Lanore: [01:13:15] Yeah. So I'll, I'll get him, uh I'll uh, PM him your email address so he can reach out to you, uh, and, and talk to you more about that. Uh, what's new and exciting over at the select savory. Uh, for the upcoming year, what's exciting next year.

[01:13:30] Any, any new spices you're introducing new spices? Um,

[01:13:36] Cory Conklin: [01:13:36] got a couple of them. I've been looking at, uh, one of my suppliers has got a bourbon barrel, smoked black pepper that, um, right now they're out of. So I I'm trying to get my hands on a sample to give that a try, um, to add to my pepper collection, uh, would like to also start adding some more different, uh, flavored salts.

[01:13:56] Uh, we have our Chipotle and jalapeno, but we'd like to have a little [01:14:00] more of a seasoning salt without the sugar, uh, next year, my two big ones that I want to work on next year. Uh, more flavors for the meat sticks. So instead of just drove ours, uh, my supplier gave me some samples of, uh, garlic, herb, uh, Southwest Bereday flavor, and I was blown away.

[01:14:19] They were amazing. So we're hoping to work on that next year. And the big project that I really want to get into is a sugar-free sauces. That's did my meat snacks this year and then select savory sauces. There, it goes more as this barbecue sauce, uh, in particular catch-ups, uh, hot sauces, uh, again, back to, um, uh, your friend there that, you know, seed oils though.

[01:14:44] They're used a lot and sauces along with sugar, even hot sauces, they use seed oils a lot in sugar. Uh, Mayonnaise, what I'd like to be able to work on it

[01:14:54] Carl Lanore: [01:14:54] or not really. I it's so hard to find, like I won't buy [01:15:00] any food out that is pre-made like chicken salad or because I'm not going to eat soy bean oil or, um, uh, what's the other, uh, canola oil.

[01:15:12] There's no such thing as a canola. It's rapeseed. Yup. And canola stands for the Canadian oil association. And so, and it's all, it's all sprayed. It's all genetically modified. It's all crap. And they won't eat any, I, in fact, I don't even eat any salad dressings and I'll ask sometimes I'll say, is this, um, 100% olive oil?

[01:15:37] And sometimes they'll say, yeah, And I'm still thinking, is it really? And sometimes they'll say no, it's 50, 50 canola. And olive oil is like, nah, I'll just, just bring me a lemon. I'll squeeze that on the salad. So you're right. That's

[01:15:50] Cory Conklin: [01:15:50] the bad thing with it. They cut so much stuff with seed oils today. Even when my wife had some stuff, I was up Buffalo wing sauce [01:16:00] and she's like, there's seed oils in this.

[01:16:01] I can feel it. You know, the next day she's like, my body is telling me and sure enough, there was, so we throw it away. And what. Found something else that didn't have seed oils. It was a cleaner ingredient base, but that's one of the things we really want to help people with because I run into people all the time going, I don't know where to get sugar-free barbecue sauce.

[01:16:19] That tastes good. And that's, that's the big project I want to get into next year.

[01:16:23] Carl Lanore: [01:16:23] So, um, I buy this, uh, Mediterranean chicken kebab from a local restaurant. And the reason I love it is not because their chicken is any different than anybody else's, but because of the seasoning they use on it, they use, um, It looks like paprika to me, the color of paprika, you know, it's got that orange color, but it's got a really interesting flavor.

[01:16:48] Do you have Mediterranean blends that are specifically like Mediterranean similar to

[01:16:53] Cory Conklin: [01:16:53] actually I have a Mediterranean, dry rub. Um, the best way to explain it, it it's an, it tastes like an [01:17:00] Italian seasoning with a lemon mixed in with it. It's it's really good. That's. As of late been one of the ones I've been using a lot and, uh, for our, our ground beef and so forth.

[01:17:11] Cause it's, it's just a really good, I got a bad habit of cycling through things. It's like, I'll go, I'll go with that for awhile. Then the knowing me, it's like, you know, I haven't had Euro in a long time, so I'm going to have, he wrote a couple of times. And, uh, but yeah, that Mediterranean drive, Rob has been a really favorite for in our household was of like,

[01:17:29] Carl Lanore: [01:17:29] I'm going to, I'm going to have to try that one.

[01:17:31] So, uh, talk to me, you said how many different types of peppers do you have. Uh, I pepper, I mean,

[01:17:38] Cory Conklin: [01:17:38] yeah, a plain black pepper, which it tastes like fresh crushed pepper because of how fresh it is. We have our select savory pepper, which is a blend, which also includes some white onion, garlic and other flavors are a habanero, garlic pepper.

[01:17:52] So it's got a little bite to it, but it's not so hot that my family won't use it. Now. Our Carolina Reaper pepper. [01:18:00] That'll wake you up in the morning, right? Um, it is strong. That's all, it's our most expensive because of the Reaper peppers. But if you like heat, it is really good. Just don't do it. A friend of mine did and take a tablespoon of it.

[01:18:14] Carl Lanore: [01:18:14] Nah, I don't, I don't, I don't use a hot sauce nut

[01:18:17] Cory Conklin: [01:18:17] I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:18:18] Carl Lanore: [01:18:18] I don't do well with hot sauce anymore. I used to, when I was young, I, you know, my mother used to make, uh, something called . It's an Italian dish made with, with a very large snail called a conch. And it's just basically a big snail shell.

[01:18:35] And you, you slice it. It's thick. It's kind of a gray, um, Uh, it almost looks like beef when it's cut and scungilli sauce is always hot. The sauce, the tomato sauce that they make for scungilli is almost purple. It's so red and you can only eat small amounts of it because it's so hot. And I'm like, why am I torturing myself to eat something?

[01:18:59] Why are they [01:19:00] doing well? That's the way they've always done it. And it's like, so I, I don't, I don't go for real hot stuff anymore. I'm not trying to, um, Prove that I can eat something. I want to taste it. I want to enjoy it. I want to walk from the table going. That was delicious. That like, I need more tissues to blow my nose because my eyes are tearing and everything else.

[01:19:17] So yeah, I'm not, I'm not a hot sauce guy at all.

[01:19:20] Cory Conklin: [01:19:20] Yeah. I mix a little bit of it in, especially if I'm making breakfast sausage, I'll use our breakfast sausage seasoning, and I'll add a little bit of Reaper pepper to give it that spice. Instead of buying premixed sausage at the store, that's still full of stuff.

[01:19:34] Uh, that that's not good for you.

[01:19:35] Carl Lanore: [01:19:35] Okay. So you have a bread specifically breakfast, sausage seasoning. Yep. So I'm going to tell you something that very few people know, and I can't prove this, but I'm sure what I'm about to say is correct. You know, those secret seasonings and Kentucky fried chicken, it's just breakfast, sausage seasoning.

[01:19:56] Because if you taste Kentucky fried chicken and think about a [01:20:00] good breakfast sausage they're breading tastes like that. It tastes like breakfast sausage. So you have breakfast, sausage seasoning. If that's, if I'm right. I can use that and put it on chicken. It'll have the same flavor as K.

[01:20:14] Cory Conklin: [01:20:14] It would be really similar.

[01:20:15] Yeah. And you'd probably also like a crazy chicken seasoning.

[01:20:20] Carl Lanore: [01:20:20] Oh, like polo Loco type stuff, the Mexican stuff. You mean. If

[01:20:23] Cory Conklin: [01:20:23] it's just, I call it the crazy chicken. Um, let me see. What's in it real quick. Uh, now I want to tell everybody just because it says chicken on it or

[01:20:33] Carl Lanore: [01:20:33] pork or

[01:20:35] Cory Conklin: [01:20:35] put it on anything. Yeah, if it's good on one.

[01:20:38] It's good on another. Uh, let's see here. Yeah. The it's black pepper, garlic onion, uh, hatch pig, Jim chilies, chili flakes, shallots, oregano, and Sage. It's got a little bite to it. Uh, I thoroughly enjoyed. It's a great Mexican TexMex flavor.

[01:20:54] Carl Lanore: [01:20:54] Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. See, and here's the beauty of all this that we're talking about.

[01:21:00] [01:21:00] You can take everything in anything and just make it taste so much better by having some good spices in your cupboard. Yeah. Yup. There's no magic to it. That's it? I mean, that's why the earliest business endeavor was spice trade. Think about that then followed by silk trade. So when you look at, when you look at, uh, the East India company and these companies that were, you know, around literally a thousand years ago or more, they were trading in spices.

[01:21:32] Why? Because spices were treated as medicinals, but you were getting your medicine by using them in your food and things like, for instance, tumeric, we know now that Rick is more, better, more well absorbed. When it's cooked with fat, then just taking, you know, uh, uh, tumor tablets and capsules and all that sort of

[01:21:58] Cory Conklin: [01:21:58] yep.

[01:21:58] And other seasonings, I think black [01:22:00] pepper helps you absorb nutrients better.

[01:22:03] Carl Lanore: [01:22:03] Yeah. Think about that. Think about that. I mean that they, they isolated by purine from black pepper to put in supplements so that you'd absorb the supplement better. Well, hell just put the, put this stuff on your food and add black pepper to it and eat it.

[01:22:16] Yep.

[01:22:16] Cory Conklin: [01:22:16] Exactly. And I found like with our family, if we're getting tired of just ground beef as a general rule, mix it up with other stuff. Eggs are great. Um, I've got several recipes on the websites. Let's use, uh, egg, uh,  um, scotch eggs. They take a little bit of work, but hard-boiled egg wrap it and ground beef.

[01:22:38] Sometimes I'll make some, some sausage with it and bake it. And it's amazing. Take you, pick your flavor.

[01:22:46] Carl Lanore: [01:22:46] So you could take, you could take a hard-boiled egg, then wrap, then, then, then put ground beef on the outside of it and even wrap it in bacon and then put it in the oven. That's brilliant.

[01:22:57] Cory Conklin: [01:22:57] If he got a smoker, uh, throw it in the smoker.

[01:23:00] [01:22:59] Uh, Jill, you'll not know what hit your mouth.

[01:23:02] Carl Lanore: [01:23:02] My friend Brian keeps telling me that I need to buy a green egg. Have you had any experience with the green egg smokers?

[01:23:08] Cory Conklin: [01:23:08] Not, not by brand. Uh, but I have a charcoal smoker. That's. Less expensive, but the same concept. Right. And I got a pellet smoker too, but the charcoal gives you much better flavor.

[01:23:19] The pellet smokers are just, you know, it's convenience. Um, but yeah, I've used them. It's they're worth every penny,

[01:23:27] Carl Lanore: [01:23:27] you know, what's really funny. Um, you know, everybody's got their gas grill at home, whether it's propane or it's tapped into natural gas on your deck. But the best tasting barbecue comes from barbecue that you make with briquettes, with the, with the charcoal, it tastes, it has such a fantastic flavor.

[01:23:44] Cory Conklin: [01:23:44] Yeah. I mean, I have a gas grill and it's not been touched in at least a year, if not a year and a half, uh, villain time. I'll use it as if I'm having a, if I have a bunch of people over which at the rate we're going, that'll be never again. Um,

[01:23:58] Carl Lanore: [01:23:58] it's, it's big enough that I

[01:24:00] [01:23:59] Cory Conklin: [01:23:59] can throw burgers and dogs on and just go.

[01:24:02] Uh, but yeah, for, for family it's the pellet smoker or the charcoal grill, because the flavor is just that

[01:24:07] Carl Lanore: [01:24:07] much better. Go to SHR network.biz/s S S there's recipes. There, there are spices there there's meat snacks there there's everything you could imagine right there. Pick a spice and give it a try, pick a few of them and give it a try.

[01:24:25] We've given you lots of different examples on today's show. Uh, but now it's up to you to spice up your life. You can take ground beef and make it taste gourmet. You can take the cheapest cuts of meat or chicken or fish or pork and make it taste delicious. It's all about the spices. It's not about how much you spend on the animal protein.

[01:24:46] It's about the spices. It really is at the end of the day. Yup.

[01:24:49] Cory Conklin: [01:24:49] It is. And if you're in a rut, I've got, uh, I think I wrote down almost 20 different ground beef recipes on the website, uh, from simple as making pizza out of, out of ground [01:25:00] beef. Two variations of meatloaf, uh, for looking for a quick and easy crockpots grape to make meatloaf, um, like, uh, there's a Curry recipe.

[01:25:10] You can make a pizza, the casserole, a barbecue bacon cheeseburger casserole, and all you gotta do is switch up the spices and a lot of these, and it's a completely different meal.

[01:25:19] Amazing spice up your life for 2021. Go to se con network.biz/sss, and give them a try. Corey. Thanks for being here today, brother.

[01:25:28] Thanks, Carol. Good talk to you. Well, and thank you for being a sponsor. Yes, because I know it's a big deal and I want the audience to know that without our sponsors, the show doesn't exist. So if you've learned anything from the show, patronize the sponsors whenever possible. I Corey, we'll talk to you soon.

[01:25:47] Okay. Thanks, Carol. Okay, take care. We're going to take one last commercial break. We'll be right back with more super Yuma radio. Stay with me. This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the word.

[01:26:05] [01:26:00] Can't wait for the new studio to be built. Finished the guy who's working on it. Is this a slacker? Oh, wait. It's me. A couple of things. I want to say, uh, number one, the official anniversary show, my 15 year anniversary. So the show turned 15, November 19th, but we already had shows booked and there was really no chance to, I didn't, I didn't prepare.

[01:26:38] Uh, in advance, like I was supposed to. And so it passed by. So December 18th, we're having the official anniversary show. The show is 15th year and continuous production, big deal. It is a big deal and we're having a very good show, trying to get some special guests on, but more importantly, I want the anniversary show to be [01:27:00] about the listeners.

[01:27:02] Because let's face it. I have great guests. Yeah. But I have the best audience in the world. Uh I've I've put on Facebook asking people to post when they first listened to the show. It's remarkable. I mean, I got people that started listening in 2005 and 2006. That's a long, long time to be listening to a podcast.

[01:27:28] And especially given the content I put out, I mean, I put out on average four to five shows a week. It's a big commitment for people. Everybody's been so generous with compliments about how the show has changed their lives. And they can actually see. Their life's changing as the content changed and the subjects changed and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's really a blessing to me to hear these stories because I'm here in this room by myself and I'm talking to you.

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