[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is December 4th, 2020. We're getting very close to the end of the year until the holidays. We have a really important topic today. Uh, during the first hour, we're going to be talking about protein digestion and assimilation. You eat a lot of protein.

[00:00:17] It's important to you, uh, but are you really getting the value of all the money that you're spending on protein? Uh, later in the show, we have a question and answer. We've got lots of questions about. Infrared saunas some interesting ones. We're going to be talking to some experts later in the show about that.

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[00:01:24] I want to bring my guests on a guy. I love spending time with, in fact, I said to Alyssa, Uh, you're going to be getting an email about the 15th anniversary. Wade Lightheart is someone that I have come to admire, but also, um, yeah, there's every now and then there's people you meet and you think, man, I'd really like to hang out with him.

[00:01:44] You know, it'd be really, really fun to hang out. I just said to Alyssa, I said, I'd really like to go hang out with Wade sometime it would be a lot of fun. So here he is Wade. Lightheart himself. How are you doing Wade?

[00:01:54] Wade Lightheart: [00:01:54] Thanks Carl. And, uh, as you know, it's an, it's an open, it's an open invitation to come out here to California, to the [00:02:00] vial home.

[00:02:00] So a while you just roofed, I know you just moved. So you're all settled now. Seems like you're all relaxed

[00:02:06] Carl Lanore: [00:02:06] and you, Oh, and that's the house. Everything is everywhere I can. I'm the reason I'm wearing a hat is because my hair is so long and I can't find my damn razor. Uh, everything is everywhere. Alyssa Alyssa couldn't find the box of our most expensive China.

[00:02:21] She just found it yesterday and we've been there two weeks. So everything is, but we're getting there. It's a process. Yeah.

[00:02:28] Wade Lightheart: [00:02:28] Great,

[00:02:29] Carl Lanore: [00:02:29] great. So, um, this is, it's an important discussion and I want to, I want to kind of set the set the table first. People all agree that you could eat whole foods all day long and develop nutrient deficiencies.

[00:02:42] We know that depending on the diversity of your gut, depending on, uh, the characteristic of your pancreas, depending on the acidity of your stomach. Many people eat whole food diets and end up with B12, [00:03:00] deficiencies, magnesium, deficiencies, and all these other deficiencies. But for some reason, people don't transcribe that phenomenon to macro nutrients.

[00:03:12] Right. So very few people think that, Oh, I'm eating 200 grams of protein a day. They just assume that they're getting the full biological effect of 200 grams of protein a day, just because they're not passing whole on digested beef and chicken and fish in their, in their bowel, but they just figure Oh, but, but protein is probably the most important of all the macronutrients to, uh, to digest fully because we need all of those.

[00:03:48] Amino acids to be released individualized so they can be reassembled by the body for the reasons it needs. So people aren't, I could be eating 250 grams of protein a day [00:04:00] and only seeing the effect of a hundred look at the money I'm wasting. And more importantly, look at the goals. I'm not able to achieve.

[00:04:08] Speak about it, please.

[00:04:11] Wade Lightheart: [00:04:11] It's a huge topic. And of course, this is what really started us down the road. And BiOptimizers literally. Almost 17 years ago, when this came to my attention, I was a bodybuilder or, you know, I had a background in competitions and stuff, and I ran into my digestive health disaster after the Mr.

[00:04:30] Universe contest. And I met a doctor and I, um, I did attend it. Here's what happened. I did attend Hey, fast and on water. And on day 10, I'm still crapping out stuff.

[00:04:46] Carl Lanore: [00:04:46] Right?

[00:04:47] Wade Lightheart: [00:04:47] And I'm going wait a

[00:04:48] Carl Lanore: [00:04:48] sec.

[00:04:50] Wade Lightheart: [00:04:50] I mean, I haven't eaten in 10 days and I'm still dumping out stuff. My body what's this possible. And the doctor that I had met was a guy that had, he had [00:05:00] recovered.

[00:05:00] He had helped Bernard Jensen recover from cancer, who wrote the book on the colon and all the iridology. He had recovered from cancer himself and cirrhosis of the liver. And he said, what Hippocrates said that all disease. Starts in the gut. And until that point, and I keep in mind, I trained exercise physiology.

[00:05:22] I was a bodybuilding champion. I was a nutritionist. I worked, my macros were as tight as a fiddle string to go to the Mr. Universe contest. There was no deviation for decades. Okay. And I didn't have the genetics to be, I had no business going to the Mr. Union, but I managed to get there out of just discipline.

[00:05:39] Sheer will. When I had this thing, the doctor said to me, he says, wait, you actually think that you've assumed all your food. And I went, uh, what do you mean? He says, well, there's a specific process where you go through all these stages [00:06:00] of digestion. And if any of those are interrupted, you are not going to get.

[00:06:07] The amino acids, we're going to focus on protein today. You're not going to take that, all that protein that you're consuming as a bodybuilder and get into your system. And why had evidence? I just not eating for 10 days trying to fix myself. And I was still crapping out stuff. Okay. Well, something's coming from somewhere, right.

[00:06:24] And he started to explain this process to me. And the thing is, is every species on the planet eats its food in a raw live state. You know, whales, eat seals, tigers, eat zebras bears, eat blueberries and salmon horses eats grass, but guess what? Humans cook their food. And it's an interesting thing. The thing called enzymes, which do all the chemical work in the body, there's over 25,000 that they know of in the human body.

[00:06:57] And there's probably a lot more than they haven't [00:07:00] discovered. There's always, and these are the. If you call it the metabolic workers of the body, they convert things from one thing to the other. And I'm going to tie this all together. If you're following your listeners are following me. Every species grabs the enzymes that break down that food, that they are eating that's relative to their dietary choices, because it not only gets the protein carbs and fats.

[00:07:24] It gets the enzymes. It's get the bacteria, gets all of it,

[00:07:27] Carl Lanore: [00:07:27] right.

[00:07:28] Wade Lightheart: [00:07:28] Well, in the last 80 years, humans have radically altered their way that they get food from food production and distribution. In fact, we've loaded up all these chemicals on our foods, herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides, which disrupt enzymatic activity.

[00:07:45] And most of our food is either cooked, preserved all our protein powder. Most of very few people actually live protein powder, very few have enzymes. And so we started this trend. We started looking at it about,

[00:07:55] Carl Lanore: [00:07:55] well,

[00:07:56] Wade Lightheart: [00:07:56] What happens if we start looking at proteolytic enzymes, the enzymes that break down [00:08:00] protein in regards to taking that with the protein that we're eating, whether you're eating meat or plants or protein better and see what the results were.

[00:08:09] Well, when we started doing that, we got stronger. We recovered faster. Uh, we didn't have any weird feelings in our gut. And when I went on my next 10 day fast, I wasn't crapping out stuff 10 days later.

[00:08:22] Carl Lanore: [00:08:22] So I was

[00:08:22] Wade Lightheart: [00:08:22] like, we're onto something here. We're really onto something over here. And I believe that company at that time before by all terms was called freaky big naturally.

[00:08:33] And we were training bodybuilders all around the world too. And I really, my motivation was I wanted them to avoid the mistakes that I had made. I was like, how did I get to the Mr. Union reverse contest gained 42 pounds of fat and water and 11 weeks after I'm supposed to be at the pinnacle of aesthetic ideas.

[00:08:48] And I'm now I'm a disaster. We figured that out over four years, And we started testing different enzymes and different types of proteases and then stuff to improve the assumption of assumption of amino acids. [00:09:00] We got so good at it when I was, Oh, when I went back to the world championships three and a half years later, as we coached over 15,000 people, I was able to compete at a world championship level,

[00:09:13] Erik Kralovetz: [00:09:13] uh,

[00:09:14] Wade Lightheart: [00:09:14] seven pounds heavier.

[00:09:16] Then my weight before, so it had seven pounds, more of muscle than I had three and a half years of four, but I was only eating 85 grams of protein instead of the two 50 that I was eating before. That's shocking. And everybody says, well, that's not possible. No, I needed to prove that it wasn't the total amount of protein that you w you were eating.

[00:09:36] It was how much of that protein you were converting into the amino acids that allowed my body to recover. That allowed my brain to work all that stuff. And it took me three and a half years to figure that out, Matt and I, and that was the beginning of our journey in understanding. How the body breaks down all of its food, but in today's thing, we'll talk particularly about protein [00:10:00] and converts it into the amino acids to run your neurochemicals in your brain, to help your amino acids, to build your muscle tissue back.

[00:10:06] I mean, it's very, very important not to mention this is another key aspect. Enzymes are also a big factor in regulating everything in your body, right? So when you are, when you're eating a lot of protein, You're draining your natural enzymatic production, which causes the drain. And I call that we just had Thanksgiving.

[00:10:27] I call it the Turkey dinner syndrome. You go to Thanksgiving dinner, right? The big Turkey, the potatoes you've got the

[00:10:33] Carl Lanore: [00:10:33] stuffing, you got an Apple

[00:10:34] Wade Lightheart: [00:10:34] pie.

[00:10:35] Carl Lanore: [00:10:35] You'll load up. It's awesome.

[00:10:37] Wade Lightheart: [00:10:37] You know, someone breaks out the break, the sweet potato bread. You're like, this is great. It's so good. You have another helping.

[00:10:43] And then by the, you know, shortly afterwards, There's a thing that happens in almost every family. And that is whose going to get the couch. Who's going to get the rock and Sharon who's laying on the floor. Right. And everybody's passed out 45 minutes an hour after the meeting drooling down their face [00:11:00] after they just consumed enough energy to run a marathon, but nobody's running a marathon, right?

[00:11:07] The farthest you run is to get to the couch, right. Who gets the couch first? Cause that's the, that's the sweet spot. Why is that? Because the body's enzymatic reserves its ability. It says I can't run my brain right now. I can't run these other things. I need to send all the blood and all the enzymes to try and break down this ginormous tasty meal that I just had.

[00:11:31] Right. And when you get that somewhat regulated, you wake back up. Okay. I snapped out of that again. Right. What do I need on the, can I get another piece of that pie?

[00:11:40] Carl Lanore: [00:11:40] Right. Right. So,

[00:11:43] Wade Lightheart: [00:11:43] so, so that's an illustration that it's not about the food that you're eating. It's how well you're able to digest and assimilate that food.

[00:11:50] And so we live in a world now where the entire population has disrupted enzymatic function because of all the [00:12:00] herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides. In other words, that's how they kill the bugs. They disrupt the end, sematic functioning of those bugs and that's, and that's how they kill us

[00:12:10] Carl Lanore: [00:12:10] too. So it's really interesting.

[00:12:12] And I think everybody will agree that you can end up with nutrient deficiencies, um, that even if you're eating whole food, but people seem to have a hard time understanding that you're definitely ending up with a protein deficiency of sorts, but the problem is it doesn't show up the way. A nutrient deficiency would, if you become deficient in B12 long enough, you're going to develop some horrible, horrible neurological conditions.

[00:12:40] But what people fail to realize about protein is those of us in physical well, cultural, all we care about is building muscle, staying, lean, being strong, but the reality is, is that amino acids. So we w everybody loves peptides today. peptides are [00:13:00] everything right? I do. I do a special episode at least once or twice a month called the pep talk where we investigate this magic peptide that has this profound effect on a disease state.

[00:13:12] But what are peptides? peptides are amino acids strung together by varying degrees of weekend strong bonds. The bonds are commas. Semi-colons question marks. The amino acids are words, if you will. And they are literally protein messages that go from cell to cell to tell cells to do things. So imagine what happens if you're writing a book and you're an old fashioned type setter back in the old days, you're looking for the word you're putting the letters in.

[00:13:52] And all of a sudden you realize you run out of the ability. To write the word. And [00:14:00] so now you're going to write this book without the word end and people gonna read it and they're gonna go. This doesn't make sense. Well, the difference between that and what happens on a cellular level is when you don't have all of the available words needed.

[00:14:18] You lose syntax, you lose the message, the message becomes garbage. We called that, that fouled up message plaque. These, um, these peptides that are disrupted that are corrupted. They have no message. They have no place and they end up building up. That's the towel, uh, uh, uh, plaque. That's the amyloid plaque.

[00:14:41] These are all bad. Uh, messages. That's what they are and they get gummy and they get sticky and they stick to things and they cause problems. They happen a lot of times because the body can't form the message that it wants. So it just leaves that word out and sends it on [00:15:00] its way. And so it's more it while we are also fixated on building muscle.

[00:15:06] And we're very selfish about our, our very narrow views of why proteins are important. Those broken down proteins into their subsequent amino acids, actually sustain life. They are the messages that one cell communicates with another. And if you can't communicate, then cells go awry. So when we talk about digesting protein, it's not just about losing well, as long as I get my three grams of leucine per meal, I'm turning on protein synthesis.

[00:15:37] It's about. Disease States. And we know this is true because by taking an exogenous peptide, that's properly syntax. All the words are intact. All of the commas and dashes and everything are where they belong can actually reverse disease States. Your body wants to do that on its own, but it can't, if it doesn't have the [00:16:00] vast, a number of words that it needs to send that message.

[00:16:05] Wade Lightheart: [00:16:05] What you've essentially described is the aging in degeneration process. And people look at it holistically. They look at all, I'm getting older or I'm, you know, whatever, but you have to realize, depending on where the damage is expressed in the body is going to determine where the potential disease occurs.

[00:16:27] And that could be based on a genetic weakness. It could be, uh, deficiencies within the diet. It could be exposures to toxicities, which disrupt an almost endless array of these transcription processes. Cause you need enzymes to get your protein, protein, to get your minerals and metals, to get your vitamins in the body.

[00:16:47] These are all, um, catalysts for every reaction that goes on inside your body, every single one, the entire array of everything. And so what [00:17:00] happens, and I think  how he knew this. I don't know. He said that all disease begins in the gut. True. And. What people don't recognize. And this is what my mentor told me, the doctor, he said, look, you just didn't get cancer one day.

[00:17:17] You just didn't get heart disease. One day. You just didn't get diabetes one day. It was, uh, uh, it was a combination of your diet. A deficiency within enzymatic is your ability to take and convert those things and transcribe them a disbalance in your, in your micro biome, and then whatever genetic or epigenetic weaknesses that you may have within your body and these people, you know how it always says, well, this runs in my family, right?

[00:17:45] Carl Lanore: [00:17:45] So does he, so does eating that food by the way?

[00:17:48] Wade Lightheart: [00:17:48] Exactly. You can see trends. And one of the things that was really striking because it was during the same time I was running a holistic health clinic and I started giving [00:18:00] people, proteolytic, enzymes for a variety of different things. Cause I would see all these people with digestive problems

[00:18:06] Carl Lanore: [00:18:06] and

[00:18:07] Wade Lightheart: [00:18:07] all of a sudden, some of their other symptoms started to go away because once they had the enzymes, they could actually extract.

[00:18:14] What they were the value, if you will, out of the food that they were consuming. So it was it's, it's, it's been a great journey and I'm, I keep discovering new things all the time. It's it's amazing.

[00:18:26] Carl Lanore: [00:18:26] Mark. The Corso says one interesting thing recently, he found. Is when you fast, your gut biome and the good bacteria actually increase during fasting as opposed to decreasing, which is what you would think happens.

[00:18:41] Talk about the role of enzymes and their interplay with the microbiome.

[00:18:46] Wade Lightheart: [00:18:46] Yeah. So. As we talked about it on this show, there's five stages. I digest digestion taste touched, you chew your food. Food goes in the upper cardiac portion. This is where the enzymes are supposed to break it down as the hydrochloric acid.

[00:19:00] [00:18:59] And it converts, it changes the pH of that entire mixture. When it does that, some act enzymes become activated. Some become deactivated. These proteins are cleaved into essential amino acids. Then all the food goes into the microbiome and the microbiome will work on those particular amino acids or pieces approaching and convert them there.

[00:19:20] They live in this little thing called the biofilm, and then they transport that across the intestinal wall. Now, when it related to. First off. If you do not have pre-digestion properly, then your body is going to try and release these enzymes out of the body. And that's why a lot of people get tired from their food because they're actually draining their energy reserves to digest their food.

[00:19:46] But more importantly, if this protein isn't broken down sufficiently enough, the bacteria can't work on it. They can't eat the food. So they starve to death. Right. [00:20:00] Also what happens is other bacteria cultures will start to chip away at that and create all these endotoxins inside the body, you know, skate hall and end-all and all these sorts of things.

[00:20:10] And then another concordance thing starts to happen as you start to get breaks in this microfilm, which is where you end up with leaky gut. So what happens to answer your ER. Friend's question is there's a, there's a confluence of potential factors that could be happening there. And I think we always think in kind of a one, one thing only mentality in our world.

[00:20:34] And we can't look at that.

[00:20:35] Carl Lanore: [00:20:35] And that's insulting when you think about the complexity of the human body, by the way.

[00:20:39] Wade Lightheart: [00:20:39] Yeah. So happens. Oftentimes when someone's fasting is simply that the bad guys who are dependent on say sugars, Will start to diminish because they're starving to death. That's really the easiest explanation.

[00:20:55] The microbiome is always changing. Relative to your [00:21:00] environment externally and internally, your diet stress levels, whether you're drinking coffee, whether you're having booze, whether you're eating sugar, whether you're eating wheat, then you get some of these inflammatory proteins or you get chemical agents that can really throw things off.

[00:21:16] Like people who struggle with gluten for example, is a big one. Now some people think that it's only gluten is the issue. Okay. Some people think it's the Roundup that may be on North American gluten. Right. Cause, cause there's so many people who have gluten intolerance will go to a place like Italy where they don't.

[00:21:36] Carl Lanore: [00:21:36] Yeah. They'll say pasta every day in it. It didn't even affect me. Yeah.

[00:21:39] Wade Lightheart: [00:21:39] Right. They come back here. They have one bowl of spaghetti in there. Ah, you know what I mean? They're in pain. Well, why is that? So I think. I think, uh, well there is gluten is a well known inflammatory protein. I do believe there are the chemical agents that we are consuming may be more disruptive than, than even the, uh, the gluten [00:22:00] itself.

[00:22:01] Carl Lanore: [00:22:01] Yeah. So I want to take a break, but before we do that, I want to give people some information about. This is something I use multiple times a day and it is called mass Simons. We did a show about it last well, beginning of the year, last year, maybe it was, and I use it religiously. I actually stack it with P three O M and I have to tell you, and I also use the gluten guardian.

[00:22:28] Uh, I have been eating more bread and gluten guardian allows me to eat bread without getting feeling bloated. And I don't feel crappy the next day. I haven't eaten a whole pizza yet. That remains to be seen. However, when it comes to releasing those amino acids, uh, from your proteins, That you're consuming that you're spending a lot of money because let's face it.

[00:22:49] The protein portion of your diet is the most expensive. This is the way to go. Mass times. If you go to SHR network.biz/masszymes M a [00:23:00] S S Z Y M E S. You'll get the strongest protease enzyme formula. You can find anywhere on the planet, you'll save 10% off and free shipping. And if you buy multiple bottles, they can get it down so cheap that you don't have to even think about throwing a handful in your mouth anymore, which is what I do.

[00:23:18] This is a really important discussion. I don't care. If you think that protein gene deficiency could possibly be a thing because you're eating much of it. You don't have to eat as much. You don't have to put the labor and your digestive system to get the same results from less protein when you use something like mass Symes.

[00:23:42] So check it out, go to SHR network.biz/masszymes. Use the code. SHR 10, save 10% off and get free shipping. We're going to take one quick commercial break. And when we come back, we have more questions from viewers. Stay tuned. You are watching and listening to super human [00:24:00] radio. We're ready.

[00:24:08] Welcome back to superhuman radio. We're talking with Wade. Lightheart from BiOptimizers and we're talking about a product called mass Sime. That is a must for anybody who's eating high protein. Really when you think about it, uh, because you will get more value for the protein you're eating and who knows you may bill even save some money and spend less on your protein.

[00:24:27] So we have some comments here let's get up to this year, uh, have to call. So I put this up before he said food is generational. It's tough to decipher food from actual heredity heredity. It's a very good point. Um, Danny Geraldo Oquendo, who listens to me watches the show, uh, from Columbia says what type of protein, digestion, supplements, and type and protocol with peptides, uh, when you have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, uh, thank you both for sharing such great knowledge.

[00:24:57] Well, the first thing I would say. [00:25:00] Is another supplement that you heard a spot for a couple of moments ago, uh, which is the, um, ultimate immunity stack also from BiOptimizers because you want to re-establish that mucosal barrier. So that also rate of colitis occurs because the protective mucosa has been worn away.

[00:25:23] And now the actual lining the skin of the intestines. Are actually being exposed to gastric juices, uh, and, and, and foods and stuff is getting into your bloodstream, but also burning, um, uh, the colon and, and actually other areas of, of the intestines as well. So that, that's the first thing as far as peptides.

[00:25:45] I don't think you need any fancy peptides, but I do think you need to eliminate certain foods that seem to have been identified, uh, as, as irritants. What do you think about that? Wait.

[00:25:57] Wade Lightheart: [00:25:57] A hundred percent, you have to go on [00:26:00] a significant, uh, elimination diet. You need to rebuild your intestinal lining. Um, you may have to do even some hypnotherapy or psychological aspects of in order that you can maintain that because there's both a psychological and emotional response mechanism inside the body.

[00:26:17] We have these little sentinels that sit just inside. Um, the intestinal track when. Coming out of the coming out of the stomach. And when you have ulcerative colitis, usually these things get activated where they're there. They check to see if food is okay or whatever. And there's a disruption within that.

[00:26:35] So sometimes that can come through the nervous system. It can come from a dysbiosis of bacteria. So what I find is that most people need to have to recognize look, your digestive system is. Shot and without going on an extremely aggressive and I'm, I'm not, [00:27:00] you know, candy coating anything here. You need to go on an extremely aggressive elimination diet in conjunction with a naturopathic doctor.

[00:27:09] What I will say right off the bat do not take proteolytic enzymes, like mass signs. If you have ulcerative colitis. That is a bad idea. You'll feel like you had razorblades because these enzymes will start aggravating that because you have little holes and you'll just start digesting your little, literally your, your body.

[00:27:29] So I'm not saying that to be negative. Um, I'm just saying what the results are. Elimination, diet rebuild, the mucosa, as you suggested. Um, and, um, You're going to have to be disciplined and you need the guidance of a medical practitioner. This is a serious condition that left unchecked can, uh, well, number one can kill you, but it compromises every aspect of your life.

[00:27:54] So, uh, don't mess around with it. The other thing is, is a lot of, uh, supplemental [00:28:00] proteins. Are going to be quite inflammatory for that condition as well. So you're going to have to eat really, really clean and you need to take away all the chemicals, uh, out of your diet. Cause oftentimes chemicals will also exaggerate

[00:28:13] Carl Lanore: [00:28:13] it.

[00:28:14] Um, hold on. I have an electrician here. That's working on the other studio. Do you, do you need me to write you a check now?

[00:28:23] Uh, yeah. Cause I'm in the middle of a show. If it wouldn't be a problem, I can, you know, um, Easier to just go over the house at a different time. Yes, yes. Yeah. I'll call Billy next week should be pretty. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Sorry about that. I'm conducting business in a show at the same time.

[00:28:40] So the, uh, the, the other thing I wanted to mention about this is, is ulcerative colitis exclusively diagnosed by symptoms? Or can they do like an ultrasound and actually see the ulcer.

[00:28:54] Wade Lightheart: [00:28:54] They can actually, they can actually see that a lot of times they'll do colonoscopies and things like that. [00:29:00] There's a great book by Dr.

[00:29:03] Hiromi Shinya. Um, he's probably the world's, uh, best he's the guy that actually invented the, uh, the hook technique for moving poly polyps from the colon. Uh, he's got, uh, a book called the enzyme factor and another one called the microbe factor. He was at the Beth Israel center. He split his time between Japan and the United States.

[00:29:28] He's an ambidextrous Kung Fu guy and his recommendations, I think in that book would where I would start. There's probably nobody that was, uh, A better expert on that particular condition and go down that route. And I think you'll do very, very well. Uh, if you want to put in the work and it sounds like they're motivated if they're listening to your show, they're obviously seeking that out.

[00:29:48] So,

[00:29:48] Carl Lanore: [00:29:48] right, right. So the next question comes from Mark. The Corso. He says, how detrimental are antibiotics? I've been on antibiotics for over six months now due to Lyme disease. [00:30:00] My newborn son was put on antibiotics for an infection. I've seen studies that show one course can affect your life. Then some say it's no big deal.

[00:30:10] What's your opinion, weight.

[00:30:13] Wade Lightheart: [00:30:13] And the, the original developers of antibiotics had one deep concern and that would, that there would be an overprescription of them over time that would lead to a variety of complications and were well past that opponent. Right now, first and foremost, I want to be clear.

[00:30:33] Without a doubt, antibiotics have saved millions and you know, people I'm not here to throw antibiotics under the bus. What I'm here to share is if you are under a course of antibiotics and now with Lyme's disease, it's very disruptive because. Uh, oftentimes the antibiotics can disrupt the mitochondrial function because the mitochondrial is a bacteria that actually just became integrated in part of the cell.

[00:30:59] And it [00:31:00] becomes very disruptive in that particular condition. So, um, What I suggest for people to do is once you're done the course of auntie Biotics immediately spend the next three months working on repairing the damage from them because they're like just dropping a bomb. They take the bad guys, the good guys, the all way they take everybody out.

[00:31:26] Uh, and, and so, and then you can be, okay, so same thing with your son, but recognize a lot of times we need antibiotics because we already have a compromised microbiome, a compromised immune system. And so we, in the modern world, we have to take time, effort, energy, and resources to cultivate a healthy defense system.

[00:31:50] So I'm not against antibiotics. What I'm against is just taking antibiotics and going and. Yeah, calling it a day. That's not the way to go. And I [00:32:00] think responsible people will do that with lines. I would suggest for this individual get involved with a Lyme's disease expert. That's a serious condition that can come back on you, uh, multiple times.

[00:32:12] And, uh, you really need to sort out your digestive system on that one.

[00:32:16] Carl Lanore: [00:32:16] So, uh, in July of this year, I did a show with Dr. Richard Horowitz, who is a leader. Uh, in the Lyme disease arena, uh, he has done more to progress new treatments for Lyme disease than any of the 10 doctors in the category. And he talked about, uh, a new way to treat Lyme disease without antibiotics.

[00:32:36] That actually is curing people. Now he can't say cure because, um, It's very hard to show that that Lyme disease is cured, but you can show this a bacillus bacteria that's present in it is gone. The symptoms have gone. So for all intents and purposes people's lives, go back to normal. Let's just say that [00:33:00] you should go to my website.

[00:33:02] Look for show two, five, five, eight. My cousin is going to him and seeing remarkable results already. Uh, the guy is the real deal. There's a lot of Lyme disease doctors out there who know you're not going to get better, but they run you through a bunch of stuff anyway, until you give up. And then you go to the next Lyme disease doctor.

[00:33:20] Uh, Dr. Horowitz is not one of those guys. He's, he's published some profound papers. I found one of his papers. I know my cousin had Lyme disease. I was very selfish. I had him on the show and what he had to say was remarkable and his own wife had Lyme disease. That's how he, how he shifted the focus of his practice.

[00:33:41] And now his wife is Lyme disease symptom free completely because of this protocol, he's come up with it and it's a drug. It's a specific drug that they're using off label. Uh, it's a drug that's been around for about 50 years and they are seeing amazing results. So it's show two, five, five, eight [00:34:00] new emerging treatment for Lyme disease.

[00:34:01] Listened to the show, reach out to him. He no longer sees patients, but he's, his practice has several doctors who all treat patients the same way. Um, the other thing that's interesting that you said that's very accurate people who have autoimmune disorders. Whether it be rheumatoid arthritis, uh, whether it be skin, rosacea and anything like that, they'll get sick.

[00:34:26] They'll be put on a, a round of a very strong antibiotic while they're on that any bottle. And for weeks after their auto-immunity just subsides, it's like they don't have, Oh my God, I feel better. But then. After a little while it comes back. And I believe that's because if you, if you go in and kill your lawn and you don't grow down seed right away so that when the lawn dies, the new seed takes root, then weeds are going to come in.

[00:34:55] And so when they get put on these antibiotics, it kills everything, the good and the bad, the [00:35:00] symptoms of their auto-immunity stopped. But now they don't do what you just said. They don't go, okay. Now what do I do with this beautiful terrain I have? How do I plant the right stuff in it? I believe that people with auto-immunity who see a, uh, a subsiding of their symptoms, when they're put on antibiotics, have a window of opportunity immediately after the antibiotics to start hammering with the bifido bacteria, start hammering with some of these, um, uh, probiotics and some of these, uh, um, Uh, prebiotics to help keep those bad guys from taking up route again.

[00:35:36] What do you think of that?

[00:35:38] Wade Lightheart: [00:35:38] Well, we've actually done some research specifically. We have, um, some PhDs working for us in Syria, but when we come up with these concepts, not nice. Are there, well, what happens if we do this? And it turns out, uh, we actually tested it with a variety of common. Antibiotics to see what would happen if we were taking antibiotics, concordance, and the two things that [00:36:00] worked really well for us was the leaky gut garden.

[00:36:03] And the  the . Actually resisted Rebiotix better than any probiotic that we have ever been able to test it. They, so one of the suggestions that we do with a lot of our clients that we have them continue on with  during the antibiotic finished the antibiotic phase off, that's very, very important because antibiotics can create mutations

[00:36:30] Carl Lanore: [00:36:30] stronger.

[00:36:31] Wade Lightheart: [00:36:31] So that's why they say the doctor says, take the whole course, take the whole course, make sure you wipe everything out. And then you start introducing the repopulation of the probiotics, making sure that you have, uh, the right type of fiber inside of your diet and be very, very careful when you're reintroducing food.

[00:36:50] The tendency, a lot of people do is they go yeah. Back and they start eating sugary foods and things like that because. A lot of things will make their guts feel kind of queasy when you're [00:37:00] feeling that queasiness that comes with antibiotics. It's because you're not digesting your food because the bacteria have been damaged.

[00:37:08] And so you need to, you need to be very, very clear. It's kind of like bodybuilders would have the most successful ones would reverse diet. They would be very careful about how they added calories to the diet. What I would suggest is you want to make sure that you have. The fibrous foods, along with the bacteria that are, that work for yours, genetics and epigenetics.

[00:37:31] Because for example, some people can have leaks. Some people can't, some people do well on artichokes. Some people can, and these are well known fibrous foods. So knowing that information as someone who wants to be superhuman, I think is really, really cure. I always say you can't supplement your way out of a bad diet, but the right supplements with the right diet.

[00:37:51] Is it can prove, uh, provide miracles.

[00:37:55] Carl Lanore: [00:37:55] Yeah. It's, uh, it's fascinating. You know, and the other thing is that the stomach takes [00:38:00] a long time to, to come back when you've spent a lot of time going in the wrong direction and sugar is the big problem in the gut. In my opinion, all of the harmful pathogens in your stomach love sugar.

[00:38:14] It's why we crave sugar. There is research out there that shows. That the craving of sugar is a result of chemicals produced by the bugs in our gut, telling our brain we're hungry. We want sugar and Ron Penna. Who's brilliant. Um, used to say to me all the time, if you crave something, you have to ask yourself why.

[00:38:38] And though, and the hardest thing about diet is not what you start eating. But what you stop eating and sugar is one of those things that people need to be more cognizant. You know, people cause it all, you can eat a little sugar. It won't. Yeah. It may not make you fat. I'm not saying that. And you can eat a little sugar here and there, but if you're eating sugar regularly, Even fruit, sugar, [00:39:00] this pisses people off well, fruit is good for you.

[00:39:01] Who said we only had it seasonally at best, our ancestors, but sugar feeds bad bacteria. And if you have gut issues, the first thing you should become is militant about getting sugar out of your diet, that alone you will see dramatic changes. What do you think about that?

[00:39:20] Wade Lightheart: [00:39:20] A hundred percent. Um, you know, I was actually, I'm going to visit my folks for the holidays.

[00:39:26] I'm going to go across the Canadian border and go through all this subject to all of what I've got to go through to get there. It's a quarantine. Yeah. Everything my mom says to me, wait, what do you want? Now? My mom is ready for baking and cooking and she's got like, it's a sugar factory. It's a gluten factory.

[00:39:42] It's all these things. I said, mom, here's what I want. I want. Potatoes. I want beans. I want peas. I want, I want all the vegetables out of your beautiful garden that you cook. I want that every meal. That's all I want to do because there's [00:40:00] no place that I can get such great vegetables. And why, why do I do that?

[00:40:04] Because I do know that I am going to go off a little bit on, on a few of those occasions and I've got to make sure that I've got enough. Good guys to beat down the bad guys. So you have to realize. It's a balance and whatever you feed grows, sugar will cause the proliferation of the bad bacteria, healthy vegetables.

[00:40:25] That are the type that support the growth of good bacteria. If you feed those. So for me, it's like,

[00:40:32] Carl Lanore: [00:40:32] I got to

[00:40:32] Wade Lightheart: [00:40:32] feed my good guys, cause I know I'm probably going to have a piece of pie or some cookies that my mom, like I know. Right. So what the thing is, is I don't want people to stay,

[00:40:43] Carl Lanore: [00:40:43] sorry about that ghost in the system.

[00:40:46] Wade Lightheart: [00:40:46] Here's the thing that a lot of people think they think because I'm a health guy or you're a health guy that we live some pristine life that whatever, no. It's we've got the strategies to mitigate the regular social occasions in [00:41:00] life. And yes, there are periods of militant, militant ness that are required if you're diseased or you're trying to achieve a next level.

[00:41:06] Or of performance or health or whatever. Yes. You do need to go through these ultra restrictive periods and you'll do well from it. But how do you manage life? And I do believe that that's a lot of what the show is here to include and, and things like enzymes and things like probiotics and eating the right foods.

[00:41:23] And, and like you said, asking why, why do I crave that?

[00:41:26] Carl Lanore: [00:41:26] Yeah, because there's a reason there's things in your stomach, creating chemicals to tell your brain, to feed them and if, and bad and good all get the brain's attention. So it's for you to decipher who you want to feed and who you don't. Don't be a slave to your urges, SHR network.biz/masszymes M a S S Z Y M E S.

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[00:43:00] Let's take a quick commercial break when we come back. I want to talk about fiber. I'm starting to get some theories on fiber and I want to run them by you stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhero radio later in the show, we're going to have some experts talking to us about what sauna does, what sauna doesn't do.

[00:43:18] This is the superhuman channel, doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:43:27] Welcome back. We have two more questions we want to get to real quick. And then I want to talk about. Fiber. The first one comes from, uh, Danny. Uh, and he says, do I think certain anabolic steroid injectables could affect ulcerative colitis? I'll tell you what it does affect estrogen changes the landscape of the gut microbiome.

[00:43:48] Testosterone changes the landscape. So if you have a super physiological levels of hormones, They all going to change the gut microbiome. Do they have a direct effect on ulcerative colitis? [00:44:00] I have no idea. I would venture to say no, but I could be wrong, but they definitely affect the microbes in your gut.

[00:44:07] What do you think

[00:44:07] Wade Lightheart: [00:44:07] Wade? You know, it's interesting. There's a lot of athletes in the bodybuilding world who ended up suffering from all sort of colitis concordance. I do believe with high protein diets and the use of anabolic agents, such as steroids. And I have a theory that it can be very disruptive for the digestive stuff.

[00:44:30] And one of the reasons why we have, I think so many professional. Bodybuilders and strength athletes who use our products is because they, they do eat a lot of protein and many of them do use anabolic agents. And the thing is, is they found that they feel better. They, their digestion works better and they don't have the, you know, when you, we have gas and bloating to start with, or you start having pain or discomfort, but what that is a message is your body.

[00:44:57] Saying stop what you're doing. Right,

[00:45:01] [00:45:00] Carl Lanore: [00:45:01] right.

[00:45:02] Wade Lightheart: [00:45:02] Simple. So, um, I think people need to understand a little bit, you know, it's, I hate to say it's this or that, but, um, I, I don't see it as a positive, uh, when you have a condition like that, there may be certain anabolic agents or steroidal and vedotin for that treatment.

[00:45:20] But again, you can't use a drug to get out of a lifestyle.

[00:45:26] Carl Lanore: [00:45:26] Very very good. Um, Mark DeCosta, what's your experience or thought with a true 90 10 keto on health gut and long-term carbohydrate metabolism. You're the diet guy.

[00:45:38] Wade Lightheart: [00:45:38] Yeah, well, you know, here's the thing with keto. It works really well for some people.

[00:45:41] My business partner's been doing queen Tito for over 25 years. I do believe that when you become fat adapted, you have the ability to eat a little bit more carbohydrates in someone who's going through the initial stages. So you can kind of. Um, for example, his [00:46:00] ability to recoil back from carbohydrates and thousands of people, or, or at least hundreds of people on Tito, I'm not sure if it's in the thousands, but certainly hundreds.

[00:46:09] I do think, and, you know, going to Dom demos D'Agostino who is actually a researcher

[00:46:14] Erik Kralovetz: [00:46:14] who

[00:46:15] Wade Lightheart: [00:46:15] works with our company. He's he believes that cyclic for the long-term is better because if you stay on a restricted diet for too long, oftentimes you will lose the bacteria and the enzymatic Capac capabilities to break down carbohydrates in the future.

[00:46:31] So I do think it could impair carbohydrate metabolism down the long road.

[00:46:36] Carl Lanore: [00:46:36] Let's talk about fiber. So I'm, you know, I, um, I had a conversation and I talked about it on the show many times with, uh, Leslie Aiello. She used to run the winter grand foundation, which is an anthropological foundation that studies everything, including diet of our ancestors.

[00:46:52] And, uh, she wrote an article that's still on the internet. How eating meat made our brains bigger. [00:47:00] And she looked at Australia , uh, forward, uh, to us currently. And she said, you know, um, all that PR all that fiber isn't really good. Now, some fibers. Good. Don't I'm not, I don't want people to interpret this as me saying fiber is bad.

[00:47:17] But I have a suspicion when you eat fiber and leaks in artichokes with, since you brought that up or even in vegetables, everyday vegetables and fruits, the fiber is the cell wall, the cellulose, if you will, the, so it's, it's, um, it's part of a continuum of the flesh of what you're eating. Yeah. But I think we're getting into trouble today because people are taking isolated fibers.

[00:47:45] Whether they're a soluble or insoluble putting 15, 20 grams in a protein bar. And when I did a show probably 10 years ago that showed that a cellular [00:48:00] carbohydrates flower feed, bad microbes in the gut and it, and the researcher had very, very good information that showed the changes and the. Gut microbiome.

[00:48:13] When the subjects in this study were eating breads, pastas and flour based foods, because a cellular means that that normal structure has been lost. So it digests differently. In fact, it's so simplified that it digests in the gut, it feeds the bugs in the gut. It doesn't even get downstream where it could feed other things.

[00:48:34] We also know this is true about homogenization of fats. When you look at. The fat membrane in intact dairy fat. It's good. It's healthy. It's wonderful. But once they break that membrane to homogenize fat, the fat becomes harmful to our bodies. And I'm starting to think the same may be true about fiber. If you're eating fiber in a piece of [00:49:00] fruit and a piece of vegetable, that's one thing.

[00:49:02] But if you're eating a protein bar that boasts 20 grams of fiber. Lots of people are having trouble digesting that. What are your thoughts?

[00:49:12] Wade Lightheart: [00:49:12] A hundred percent. Um, and one of the things that when we did mass times, we actually include a lot of people talk about the protease, but we actually included a variety of different enzymes that assist people in breaking down fiber.

[00:49:25] Um, almost always. When we see people who offer, you know, let's take the person who needs fiber that says, Oh, I need to get fiber into my diet. Cause it really helps my, you remember those old, what is it all brand commercials or whatever it was back in the day, you know, everybody's

[00:49:41] Carl Lanore: [00:49:41] I used to eat fiber one.

[00:49:43] It was the highest fiber of any cereal. It was actually basically he met a Musel turned into a series

[00:49:49] Wade Lightheart: [00:49:49] and it goes back to again, it's not what you eat. It's what you're able to digest, absorb and utilize. And if you're a person that's pounding fiber, Because you're not breaking down your food very well.

[00:49:59] You're [00:50:00] getting undigested proteins leaking into the gut. That's messing you all up. What you really have as a dysbiosis in your gut. And in other words, you do not have enough bacteria to break down the fiber. Then also a lot of fiber may contain other chemical agents. That are also disruptive that are coming in the fiber, that's sitting in your Apple, you know, your Apple, uh, skin, or it's an inside the, the, the actual plant, you know, your hearts or palms or your artichoke or whatever.

[00:50:26] So all that to say is if you want to have great health, you need to be concentrating. On optimizing your digestive system all of the time, because the agents that are disrupting it are huge. And if you require to add fiber to your diet, make sure that you've got the good probiotics to break that fiber down, because if you have a buildup of fiber inside your intestinal tract, that can also be very inflammatory.

[00:50:58] And you've seen this with. [00:51:00] People that go on these high fiber diets or go all plant-based. And all of a sudden, they end up with all these digestive systems and they can't eat anything because basically they put so much fiber in there. The fiber became on digested and digestible, just like you have undigested meat, or just like you have undigested food is the number one toxin in your body, whether it's protein, whether it's fiber, whatever it happens to be, that's a problem.

[00:51:25] And that's why we're so passionate about what we do.

[00:51:28] Carl Lanore: [00:51:28] SHR network.biz/masses. I'm M a S S Z Y M E S. It's the strongest protease enzyme formula. You'll find save 10% off by using the coupon code. SHR 10. Get a bottle for the holidays and watch how much easier you have the time you have in digesting all the food you're going to be pounding down.

[00:51:49] Watch Wade. Great to be with your brother. Always a slice. Carl, I'll talk to you later and we're going to take one quick commercial break. And when we come back, we'll be joined by Eric  from good health [00:52:00] sauna. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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[00:52:14] welcome back to super human radio. We're joined by Eric  from the good health sauna company. I have one of their saunas. It's fantastic. In fact, I got to tell a funny story, Eric. So we just moved into a new house. Oh, nice. That's exciting. So the moving company was like, uh, you have to disassemble the sauna and reassemble it.

[00:52:33] Our guys, aren't going to try it. They're not going to do it. I'm like, okay. The sauna came apart so fast. It was really right. Once I took the top Elisa and took the top off, laid it on the floor. Well, let me rephrase. I got a step ladder. I lifted one side of the sauna, unplug some clips. This side unplugged some clips that side unplugged some clips that side unplugged some clips I didn't even have to memorize, which were which, [00:53:00] because each of the wires had a different, um, male and female.

[00:53:04] You couldn't cross them by accident because this blog would not plug into that plug. So put that down. The heaviest part was the part with the glass door. Cause the glass is heavy. Lifted that up, leaned it against the wall. Sides came off, back, came off. The base, came up, it went up the stairs. They put it in the new house.

[00:53:24] I assembled it myself. All I needed help was, was the guy helped me get the top back on. It'll just like you said, everything falls in place. It's just click, click, click the top. I went around and I was like, Oh, I forgot. But I did have, I did have a need for customer service. So the bench, we have the heated bench and there's these two little white, like, uh, plates, junction boxes on either side.

[00:53:52] And one of them had, uh, wires on the inside. They just connected to each other. So there were three connections. I only had two [00:54:00] wires. I'm like, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. And I got somebody on the phone from customer service from technical support is like, Oh no, no, That one just plugs right into the one next to it.

[00:54:07] And it went together. Boom. The whole sauna was up and running Elisa thought for sure. I wasn't gonna be able put it back together. Okay. You guys are right? Yeah. So it's idiot proof. You cannot make a mistake.

[00:54:19] Erik Kralovetz: [00:54:19] Yeah. People have a hard time believing me when I talk about it. And I talked to the customers on the phone and it is literally just snapping the sauce on it together and plugging in plugs together.

[00:54:31] That is all you have to do. You cannot screw it up. And I've had many times where I've talking to a families in. And I, uh, I'm explaining them how to put it together and I tell them, and I hear the wife look at the husband and go, I'm sorry, he's just not mechanically inclined. I don't trust him to do it.

[00:54:48] And I go, no, no, here watch this video of a step-by-step process and how you put our saunas together. And after they watched the three minutes, the video, they're like, that's it. That's all I got to do. [00:55:00] Oh, that's simple. Yeah. That's no problem. We'll take care of it right now. No issues. Um, So that's glad, I'm glad to hear

[00:55:08] Carl Lanore: [00:55:08] it was so simple as ridiculous.

[00:55:10] So, um, I got a question from a girl and I'm not gonna mention her name and you'll know why when I say this, but if you messaged me on Facebook in anticipation of the show, she said that she has breast implants. She said, I know infrared penetrates the skin. What about my breast implants?

[00:55:34] Erik Kralovetz: [00:55:34] Yeah, there's, there's no concern for that.

[00:55:36] It, it, it goes in an inch and a half deep into your bodies for the full, the full spectrum. And studies have shown that there's have been no issues with breast implants. There's been no issues with any type of defibrillator or cardiac pacemaker.

[00:55:53] Wade Lightheart: [00:55:53] Um,

[00:55:54] Erik Kralovetz: [00:55:54] Now that being said, if you have any cardiac pacemaker or defibrillator, I would talk to your [00:56:00] doctor.

[00:56:00] Obviously, I'm not going to tell you what you can and cannot do. But what I can tell you history has shown that the infrared heat has not affected any of those devices or implants

[00:56:11] Carl Lanore: [00:56:11] at all. Right. I just said to her, if you're worried, put, put like a keep abroad, you know, just put something on that that will give you a little bit more, um, what's the word I'm looking for?

[00:56:23] Uh, you know, uh, protection ad protectable protection against the light. That's all,

[00:56:27] Erik Kralovetz: [00:56:27] you know. Yeah. I I've heard that before. I've sold to people with, uh, breast implants and I've never, there's never been an issue there that there's nothing to worry about there. Same thing with any type of metal or. And, you know, any kind of, um, you know, like when you have your joints repaired and stuff like that.

[00:56:47] Carl Lanore: [00:56:47] Yeah. There's no issue, right?

[00:56:50] Erik Kralovetz: [00:56:50] Yeah, exactly. There's no concern

[00:56:52] Carl Lanore: [00:56:52] because let's be honest. If, if that's a problem then going to the beach is a problem laying in the sun is a problem, right?

[00:57:00] [00:57:00] Erik Kralovetz: [00:57:00] Yeah. When people try to say as well, I don't know if infrared heat is good for me or if it's safe and I'm like, you need infrared light.

[00:57:08] And all the benefits of it from going outside and getting those, getting sunlight. So if, if the infrared saunas not good for you, then going outside is not good for you. It's just, it doesn't make sense. It's, it's responsible for photo sensitive synthesis, which without that there would be no life on this planet.

[00:57:28] Carl Lanore: [00:57:28] Right. What about the fact that these panels, so the panels have an element in them and that's covered by a material, correct? There's

[00:57:39] Erik Kralovetz: [00:57:39] two different types of heaters. There's carbon fiber heaters, and there's ceramic heaters. Um, the carbon fiber heaters. Those are the ones, those are the heaters along the back wall and the sides, and even the floor heater, right.

[00:57:53] That's just carbon fiber. And that puts out, um, that puts out far infrared. Then the ceramic [00:58:00] heaters that's on the front walls of our saunas and then cap heater. If you have a cap heater in your

[00:58:05] Carl Lanore: [00:58:05] model. Yeah.

[00:58:06] Erik Kralovetz: [00:58:06] And that puts on mid and far infrared and then the chromotherapy in the ceiling puts out the near infrared.

[00:58:12] Carl Lanore: [00:58:12] So, so the, the, the, the fiber, the fiber panels is it. Should I see it? Should I see light emitting from that? Can I see far infrared with the naked eye? No,

[00:58:25] Erik Kralovetz: [00:58:25] nobody can see infrared. Light with the naked eye. I'm a firefighter. And we have infrared cameras that when we're fighting a fire

[00:58:32] Carl Lanore: [00:58:32] around,

[00:58:33] Erik Kralovetz: [00:58:33] yeah. We're looking for

[00:58:35] Wade Lightheart: [00:58:35] the

[00:58:36] Erik Kralovetz: [00:58:36] big red glow in the, on the infrared camera to see where heat is, because then we know if we look pointing the camera at a wall, And we'll see a big red glob in the middle of it.

[00:58:46] Well, we know there's fire or significant heat inside that wall. And we know we need to partake in this wall apart to see if there's any, if we have to put out the fire inside the wall

[00:58:57] Carl Lanore: [00:58:57] so

[00:58:58] Erik Kralovetz: [00:58:58] nobody can see it.

[00:58:59] Carl Lanore: [00:58:59] And then [00:59:00] near infrared, is that visible or is that also not visible?

[00:59:04] Erik Kralovetz: [00:59:04] No near mid and far infrared is not visible.

[00:59:07] There's some animals out there that can't see. And for what I think snakes and some other, right? Yeah. They can see infrared, but humans, you cannot see it. You can't see it

[00:59:16] Carl Lanore: [00:59:16] now. What about heat lamps? Right. So some people think, Oh, I'm just going to buy a couple of heat lamps. That's the same thing as a near and far infrared or a full spectrum.

[00:59:24] Infrared sauna. It's not,

[00:59:27] Erik Kralovetz: [00:59:27] no. The problem with that is, is first of all, the heat lamps get extremely hot. And you have to keep them at a far distance away from you. Then you have to think about how am I going to insulate this and capture the heat to have enough heat in this small area, to get me to sweat and get the benefits of sweating.

[00:59:46] Wade Lightheart: [00:59:46] And then, um,

[00:59:48] Carl Lanore: [00:59:48] the

[00:59:48] Erik Kralovetz: [00:59:48] other way is you hit it's. You're not your, body's not absorbing the infrared light from all 360 degrees around you. So you've got to stand in front of a lamp for 10 [01:00:00] minutes. In one position, then you rotate your body, uh, 45 degrees and you sit there

[01:00:06] for

[01:00:06] Carl Lanore: [01:00:06] another time. So, so, so let's, let's, let's hit this head on.

[01:00:09] There's a company out there that sells like an $8,000 sauna it's would just like your sauna is it's got a stool that's on a swivel, like a, like a soda fountain chair that you're talking about. And it has, it has three basically heat lamps that you've seen at McDonald's keeping hamburgers, warm. Yeah. And you have to rotate like a rotisserie chicken this way though.

[01:00:35] And they're charging like six to $8,000 for one of those. It's just, it's just a frigging heat lamp. That's all

[01:00:42] Erik Kralovetz: [01:00:42] it is. It's very inconvenient. It's not very comfortable. And then you're only getting the benefits at infer or near infrared. You're not getting the benefits or mid and far. So,

[01:00:53] Wade Lightheart: [01:00:53] um,

[01:00:55] Erik Kralovetz: [01:00:55] it's beneficial for you.

[01:00:56] I'm not going to knock it. I can't say there's nothing. There's anything wrong with it. It's [01:01:00] just, it's not comfortable and you're not getting the full benefits of what you could get out of it.

[01:01:05] Carl Lanore: [01:01:05] Get, and the idea that it's not like I would like with mine, I just sit in it. I don't have to worry about like all my face in the right way.

[01:01:11] Am I getting it on my back? Am I get, I get infrared on my whole body, the front panels, the side panels. I got the one that hits your calves. That's underneath the heated bench. And it's like, I don't have to think about, Oh, I need to rotate now. And the other thing is, and I, and I'm saying this not, you. Okay.

[01:01:31] I mean, I can buy those heat lamps for eight, $8 each. Right. And I can put them, I can buy, I can have an electrician put together three sockets for me on a piece of wood. And I can just point that out myself and I don't have to spend $8,000 for that. Like the, just see it just doesn't sound. When I look at that, I think, ah, this, this doesn't look like a good, uh, expense of, uh, Oh, use of money to do it that way.

[01:01:57] Erik Kralovetz: [01:01:57] Yeah, that's, that's not for me either. [01:02:00] Um, I, I liked the full spectrum near mid and far. I like the convenience of sitting in there and getting 360 degrees of infrared light

[01:02:08] Wade Lightheart: [01:02:08] around me.

[01:02:10] Erik Kralovetz: [01:02:10] And I like to stretch out in there and move around a little bit. I got, I got the corner unit, which has plenty of space in it.

[01:02:15] Right. And. You're just you, I don't want to sit in one position the entire and then rotate. It just doesn't make sense.

[01:02:22] Carl Lanore: [01:02:22] Mine hits like one 35 so fast. I'm dripping sweat, like really, really fast, you know, and generally I turn it on, you know, when you first turn it on, it starts up at 60 seconds. I'm 60 minutes.

[01:02:34] And by the time I get in it, it's been running for about 10 minutes. It's hot. When I get in there, I'm, I'm sweating right away. Um, the other thing that. Uh, I think is interesting is a lot of people are concerned about EMF. You know, I'm going to get in this box. I know that I'm getting infrared far infrared near infrared.

[01:02:57] I'm getting all this great light, but what about the, [01:03:00] uh, EMF? How do you guys control the EMF? And is there a lot of EMF in your unit?

[01:03:06] Erik Kralovetz: [01:03:06] So our saunas are tested by Vita tech out of Virginia. What they do is they test medical equipment. And they test for electromagnetic radiation, EMS that's, anything that has power going to, it puts off EMF, cell phones, computers, televisions, anything that has power is putting it off.

[01:03:24] And that they say is not good for us. Um, and national standards is you never, you don't want to be exposed to 10 milligrams or higher at any given point. And by Ditech has certified our, that our saunas put off. Is it zero point it's 0.83? Cause that's, that's the average range and it most frequently it's it doesn't go over one.

[01:03:49] So that's, that's a far cry away from 10 milligrams

[01:03:52] Carl Lanore: [01:03:52] and you probably have to get very close to an element to even have that because the further away from the device you go, the [01:04:00] electromagnetic field drops dramatically.

[01:04:02] Erik Kralovetz: [01:04:02] Exactly. So when you're sitting in the middle of it, you're not even exposed to the 0.83, depending on the position.

[01:04:10] And you're in

[01:04:11] Wade Lightheart: [01:04:11] that you're in

[01:04:12] Carl Lanore: [01:04:12] now your wood that you use for your saunas. Beautiful. Right? It's got great color. It's smooth when you touch it. There's no splinters. It's soft. Do we have to worry about any chemicals or anything like that in the wood?

[01:04:27] Erik Kralovetz: [01:04:27] No, we don't use any packs that glues, we don't use any particle board or plywood.

[01:04:33] A lot of these cheap Sonic companies, they use press particle board and plywood. That's all glued together. When the walls warm up that off gases into the sauna, which is not good for us, we don't want to be exposed to that. We don't use any toxic glues in the wall. There's nothing off gassing in it. And.

[01:04:50] Each year we have, uh, uh, a third party testing company come in and test our saunas, both in the Canadian hemlock wood and the Canadian [01:05:00] red Cedar wood. And they test the air quality of the sauna when it's on or when it's on and up to full temperature. And when it's off and then they, they actually test the air outside the sauna or not even outside of sauna, but outside.

[01:05:14] And they said that the results of the, of the test. Is that the air quality inside the sauna when it was turned on to the max all the way up the air quality inside the sauna tested better than it actually test it outside.

[01:05:29] Carl Lanore: [01:05:29] That's funny. That is funny. I

[01:05:31] Erik Kralovetz: [01:05:31] don't know what it is too into it, but if anybody has any questions I can send the third party reports.

[01:05:35] We have that all in email for any type of customers that ask same thing with the, uh, with the low EMF study with testing results as well.

[01:05:43] Carl Lanore: [01:05:43] What, what's the difference between the two woods aesthetically? There's one darker one lighter.

[01:05:48] Erik Kralovetz: [01:05:48] Yeah, Canadian red, Cedar's a darker wood. Um, it puts off a Cedar oil, you know, that, that you smell, you smell Cedar.

[01:05:56] It's got a flavor to it. Canadian hemlock. It's it's a [01:06:00] light, it's a blond wood. It smells like wood, but it doesn't have that. Any type of,

[01:06:05] Carl Lanore: [01:06:05] yeah. And that's what I must have because mine doesn't have a very strong scent at all.

[01:06:09] Erik Kralovetz: [01:06:09] Yeah. And a lot of people, a lot of people love Cedar and they tell me I have to have a or sauna.

[01:06:14] If I'm going to own a sauna, it's going to be Cedar. So we offer Cedar and then there's other people that say, I can't stand the smell of Cedar, or even some people are allergic to Cedar. So we offer Canadian hemlock for those customers. And that way everybody can be happy and we sell majority is hemp, Canadian, hemlock wood.

[01:06:35] And it's all FSC certified Canadian, hemlock wood, Canadian, red, Cedar. I know some other companies use would out of China in Asia and stuff like that all as are certified, it's all harvested or, um, it's harvested, uh, organically ecologically, you know, we're not doing any harm to the

[01:06:55] Carl Lanore: [01:06:55] forest

[01:06:56] Erik Kralovetz: [01:06:56] yes.

[01:06:56] Carl Lanore: [01:06:56] To the climate.

[01:06:57] Right. So, um, [01:07:00] the. I like to put a little, I have this little wooden thing that hangs, you know, so the panel has those lattices, if you will, right? The, the wood strips that real pretty. And I have this little, um, thing that hangs, excuse me. And it has like a little shot glass in it. And I put eucalyptus in there other than the smell, which I like.

[01:07:24] Is there any benefit to having eucalyptus in your sauna?

[01:07:28] Erik Kralovetz: [01:07:28] Like it clears out your sinuses and stuff like that. Um, I just like, I have a battery operated diffuser that I put in the corner, my hemlock sauna. I wouldn't say, I would say it doesn't work as well. And Canadian red. Cedar.

[01:07:44] Carl Lanore: [01:07:44] Yeah, because you got a competing smell then, right?

[01:07:46] Erik Kralovetz: [01:07:46] Exactly. Yeah. And even some people that they. Some people like in Cedar costs more money, it costs us about $400 more per model to get Cedar wood. The Cedars just cost more. It's not [01:08:00] that it's a, you know, better wood. Um, but people don't, a lot of people don't want to pay that extra money, but they want to smell Cedar.

[01:08:07] So what, what I tell them to do is buy the Canadian hemlock, save yourself some money, and then just the few Cedar oil in your sauna. And that way you get the Cedar smell. And, um, there's, I'm sure there's a lots of benefits to different oils and stuff like that. I'm not an oil expert, but I like using eucalyptus.

[01:08:25] Um, I do Cedar in it sometimes and even, uh, menthol. I like to put in there.

[01:08:31] Carl Lanore: [01:08:31] What about costs to operate it? If I use my sauna a half hour, an hour, three or four days a week, how am I going to see a big impact on my electric bill?

[01:08:42] Erik Kralovetz: [01:08:42] So, depending on where you live, it costs

[01:08:44] Carl Lanore: [01:08:44] anywhere from 15 to

[01:08:45] Erik Kralovetz: [01:08:45] 20 cents per hour to run your sauna,

[01:08:49] Carl Lanore: [01:08:49] which, so if you ran

[01:08:53] Erik Kralovetz: [01:08:53] your sauna an hour a day, every day for the entire month, You're looking at about five bucks a month, [01:09:00] which is nothing, especially compared to the health benefits that you're getting through using a sauna on a regular basis.

[01:09:06] That's never a concern. And I understand why people are concerned about that, but it's not like a hot tub. You're not keeping your sauna hot the entire time. You're 24 seven. You're only warming it up when you're going to use it. And while you're using it. And after that, it barely draws any power.

[01:09:21] Wade Lightheart: [01:09:21] So

[01:09:22] Carl Lanore: [01:09:22] I remember watching a girl at a trade show who suffered from really bad fibromyalgia and they were letting people get into sauna.

[01:09:32] And she said she had fibro. And they said, would you like to sit in the sauna? And she wasn't a shell. She was just walking along. It was her, her girlfriend. They had a baby carriage and. She got in and like within a half hour, she said that she like, all her pain went away miraculously. And in fact, the guy that was running the booth said that she came back every day that they were there and asked, can I just sit in the sauna for a half hour [01:10:00] because she couldn't afford a sauna.

[01:10:02] And she, and, and like, it worked so good. She wanted to experience a few days in a row, no pain. And. What is it about infrared sauna? Is that the heat? Is that the infrared light? Why do people with fibro benefit from infrared sauna?

[01:10:17] Erik Kralovetz: [01:10:17] So pain relief is one of the biggest reasons and most popular reasons why people buy infrared saunas.

[01:10:22] First of all, the heat, the heat helps with any type of pain relief.

[01:10:27] Wade Lightheart: [01:10:27] Um,

[01:10:27] Erik Kralovetz: [01:10:27] so you buy high, hot packs and stuff like that. Also, uh, it's the infrared heat penetrates or, uh, causes your body to produce pain, relieving hormones and endorphins like Nora adrenaline, Nora epinephrin hormones like that, to give you a natural pain relief throughout your body.

[01:10:45] And also the biggest reason, what I think helps arthritis and fibromyalgia patients the most is that it helps reduce the amount of inflammation in your body. And when you reduce the amount of inflammation in your body, you're going to get pain relief. You're going to feel a lot better. [01:11:00] And you're going to reduce your risk for a lot of diseases that are caused by inflammation.

[01:11:04] Chicago's by inflammation.

[01:11:07] Carl Lanore: [01:11:07] Is there, is there a double benefit to infrared sauna versus just a convection sauna? You know, when I was a young man I've been using sauna since I was 17, maybe. In fact, I love to shave the sauna. You get the best shave in the sauna once you get hot. Um, well, yeah. Do you think that the convection saunas, which by the way, costs a ton more money to run.

[01:11:32] They're very expensive to get that out, that element and the rocks, but you think there's added value to infrared sauna versus just a plain old convection sauce?

[01:11:42] Erik Kralovetz: [01:11:42] Yeah. The heat goes an inch and a half deeper into your body. So a conventional sauna goes a half inch deep into your body. Okay. The infrared sauna goes an inch and a half.

[01:11:52] So it goes three times deeper into your body. And it gets the deeper toxins and poisons loosened up and into the [01:12:00] sweat glands where your body sweats them out, that they did a study where they tested the sweat from the infrared sauna and the convection sauna, and the infrared sauna. Sweat had three times the amount of toxins and poisons in it.

[01:12:12] So the, in the more toxins and poisons you can get out of your system will the better, everything starts to work. Everything works better. Your field, you feel better and you get all sorts of medical benefits from that.

[01:12:24] Carl Lanore: [01:12:24] So right now, uh, if my listeners go to SHR network.biz/good health sauna, you can save 25% off of sauna.

[01:12:34] Plus you can have available to you, no interest financing for 18 months. What about shipping? Do they have to pay for the shipping separately?

[01:12:43] Erik Kralovetz: [01:12:43] Uh, normally without any type of promotion, it's a $400 shipping charge right now with, with, uh, superhuman radio podcast, special that we going on got going on 25% off, like you said, no interest financing for 18 months.

[01:12:58] If you want to select that option, you [01:13:00] don't have to, and then no shipping or no shipping charge. So free shipping anywhere in the lower 48. And then we're also giving away the free lifetime warranty as well. So we're, we're not charging for, for the warranty.

[01:13:13] Carl Lanore: [01:13:13] Is that lifetime warranty transferable? Let's say I sell my sauna.

[01:13:16] Can, somebody can take the, the, the warranty.

[01:13:19] Erik Kralovetz: [01:13:19] There's only two things that void our warranty. Number one is if you put the sauna outdoors, so these are not made for the outdoor weather elements,

[01:13:29] Wade Lightheart: [01:13:29] um,

[01:13:29] Erik Kralovetz: [01:13:29] in any, and besides that. Any infrared sauna should not go out doors in

[01:13:34] Wade Lightheart: [01:13:34] a

[01:13:34] Carl Lanore: [01:13:34] winter electrocuted if you're not careful.

[01:13:37] Erik Kralovetz: [01:13:37] Exactly. Um, the, the reason why I say that is there are a lot of companies that tell people that they can put them outdoors.

[01:13:44] Wade Lightheart: [01:13:44] Um,

[01:13:44] Erik Kralovetz: [01:13:44] and the other thing. That voids the warranty is if you sell the sauna. So you have the lifetime, Carl, you have the lifetime warranty as long as you're alive and you own the song.

[01:13:54] Carl Lanore: [01:13:54] Okay.

[01:13:55] Erik Kralovetz: [01:13:55] So once the sauna transfers, that's when it

[01:13:58] Carl Lanore: [01:13:58] that's fair. Now [01:14:00] I noticed that some of these saunas have, uh, entertainment devices in them, right? Uh, radios and CD players. What, what, what can people add to a sauna to make the experience even better?

[01:14:13] Erik Kralovetz: [01:14:13] So we have the AMFM stereo. You can connect your phone to it with Bluetooth.

[01:14:17] There's two speakers in the ceiling and you can listen to superhuman podcast, superhuman radio, and the podcast over the, over the Bluetooth. Um, it's also got an am FM radio that you can listen to.

[01:14:32] Carl Lanore: [01:14:32] I am FM radio has a CD player. I know a lot of people aren't using CDs anymore, but it has a CD player in it.

[01:14:37] Doesn't it?

[01:14:39] Wade Lightheart: [01:14:39] Well, our

[01:14:39] Erik Kralovetz: [01:14:39] older models did. We just took it out about a year ago and we upgraded the stereo, but you can, um,

[01:14:46] Carl Lanore: [01:14:46] Most

[01:14:46] Erik Kralovetz: [01:14:46] people just use Bluetooth.

[01:14:47] Carl Lanore: [01:14:47] I'm just going to say nobody can, nobody wants a CD anymore. If you got all the music on your phone and you can Bluetooth that that's a better deal. I had one customer

[01:14:56] Erik Kralovetz: [01:14:56] about six months ago, asked me about that.

[01:14:59] And he's he [01:15:00] asked me, he goes, do you have any more saunas with CD players? Because. If it, I don't care if it's five years old, I'll buy it. I have a stack of CDs and I still use them. And I'm like, sorry, I'm sorry. We sold out of those a long time ago.

[01:15:13] Carl Lanore: [01:15:13] I have the CD. I have an older one. I have the CD player in it.

[01:15:16] I would give anything to have the Bluetooth instead because I have so much better music available on my phone.

[01:15:21] Erik Kralovetz: [01:15:21] Oh yeah. A hundred percent. It also comes with the chromotherapy Moonlight in the ceiling

[01:15:27] Carl Lanore: [01:15:27] now.

[01:15:28] Erik Kralovetz: [01:15:28] Yeah. You can change it to six different colors and your regular led light. Uh, there's five different brightness levels of each color, and then two modes where it cycles through all the colors and all the brightness

[01:15:40] Carl Lanore: [01:15:40] levels, the red.

[01:15:42] But I know I like the first, the first setting is cycles and then you hit it again and it goes to one color and you hit it again. It goes to another color. And so on. I like the red, I just think the red with the wood and the heat and the, you know, it just, it just is very relaxing, very calming.

[01:15:59] Erik Kralovetz: [01:15:59] Yeah, it [01:16:00] looks real sharp.

[01:16:00] If you turn the lights off in the room where your saunas on and you turn it, turn the sauna on and you turn that red light on, take a picture of it and send it to your friends.

[01:16:10] Carl Lanore: [01:16:10] It won't be jealous that ass, it looks really solid. And how long did, I mean, once I took mine apart and put it back together, I realized there's really nothing that could wear out in the sauna.

[01:16:26] Erik Kralovetz: [01:16:26] There was no maintenance. There's no filters to replace. There's no water lines. You don't have to connect anything. It's not hardwired into a wall. And there. Yeah. There's no, the heaters are designed to last, the life expectancy of the heaters are 80,000 hours. So

[01:16:42] Carl Lanore: [01:16:42] nobody, nobody that

[01:16:44] Erik Kralovetz: [01:16:44] purchases a sauna is gonna use it to its life expectancy.

[01:16:48] That's why we can offer the lifetime warranty. Same thing with the control panel and all this stuff. Is that we know the life expectancy is so long that you're not going to reach the life expectancy, the sauna. And if something [01:17:00] did happen, where was something wasn't working, we're always going to take care of you.

[01:17:04] Carl Lanore: [01:17:04] Last question. What is, do you have a scratch and dent? What's the cheapest. Somebody can get into a sauna with good health sauna.

[01:17:12] Erik Kralovetz: [01:17:12] We used to have scratches

[01:17:13] Carl Lanore: [01:17:13] dents. Um, they go too fast.

[01:17:16] Erik Kralovetz: [01:17:16] Yeah, we're on, we're pretty close to, I

[01:17:18] Wade Lightheart: [01:17:18] mean, we're,

[01:17:19] Erik Kralovetz: [01:17:19] we have sold like crazy those last couple of months, so I'm not sure what we have, but with the twenty-five percent off, I mean, if you went with the cheapest model, you'd be looking at probably about 38, 3,900,

[01:17:32] Carl Lanore: [01:17:32] but that's what the one person, and if you took the financing, if you took the financing, it's gotta be under a hundred dollars a month.

[01:17:39] Erik Kralovetz: [01:17:39] Yeah, it will get you under a hundred dollars a month, depending on you. There's a lot of plans. We can, most people select a 0% interest for 18 months, but if there, if you needed something else where, you know, you were willing to pay interest, but you wanted a payment down at 40 bucks a month, we can work with you on that too, and get you that deal as well.

[01:17:57] So, and, and with all our financing, there's no [01:18:00] prepaid payment penalty. So I know people that say, Hey, I'm just. Once I get my taxes, I'm going to pay this thing off. So I'm going to get 0% interest for 18 months. I'll get the sauna and I get to use it and just send in the payment each month. And then once I get my taxes come April or whenever they just pay it off.

[01:18:20] Carl Lanore: [01:18:20] That's a great idea. That's a great idea. The website into the URL to use is SHR network.biz/good health sauna. All one word lowercase. Save 25% off. You can get 18 months interest free. Uh, financing and do people talk to you if they want to talk? Cause if you, like he said, Hey, you want to get into a sauna for $50 a month.

[01:18:43] We'll get you into a sauna for $50 a month. Are you the one that they end up with on the phone or there's other people?

[01:18:48] Erik Kralovetz: [01:18:48] We have plenty. We have a lot of salespeople and customer service reps, but if they, if they go in onto the website and they. Uh, put in their information through the, through the superhuman radio,

[01:19:00] [01:19:00] Wade Lightheart: [01:19:00] uh, promotion,

[01:19:01] Erik Kralovetz: [01:19:01] they're going to talk to me directly.

[01:19:03] Excellent. So I handle all, I handle all superhumans lead.

[01:19:06] Carl Lanore: [01:19:06] Okay. Okay. And so you'll get them into a sauna with a price point that makes them happy. Eric. Thanks for being here today, brother.

[01:19:13] Erik Kralovetz: [01:19:13] Thank you, Carl. I appreciate it. You have a great show and I'm always honored me on

[01:19:17] Carl Lanore: [01:19:17] good deal, brother. We'll talk to you soon.

[01:19:19] All right.

[01:19:19] Erik Kralovetz: [01:19:19] See ya.

[01:19:20] Carl Lanore: [01:19:20] That's it for today. Let's go ahead and, uh, Plug the two guests today we had, obviously, if you want the best protease enzyme in the world, uh, go to SHR network.biz/  M a S S Z Y M E S. Use the code SHR 10 to save 10% off off. And actually they have some deals there that if you buy a few extra bottles, right, you can get this stuff almost 46% off.

[01:19:49] So check that out. Uh, and of course, Uh, use the code SHR 10, and then with the good health sauna folks, go to SHR network.biz/good health sauna. [01:20:00] Uh, you'll be right. Brought right to a super human radio page. You'll get 25% off a sauna. You'll be offered no interest financing for 18 months. And if you want a special deal, you say, look, and I would get a sauna, but I got to stay on the $50 a month.

[01:20:15] Fill out the form on that page and you'll get in touch with Eric. . And, uh, he will work with you and make you a happy person. It's Friday, which means no show tomorrow. We have great shows planned for all next week. Hope you can be there. Please share the show. Uh, always share the show, help people learn how to be healthy, and we will see everybody Monday.

[01:20:38] And thank you for being here today. [01:21:00]