[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a fascinating discussion during the first hour, we're going to be talking about breakfast. Are we missing something about breakfast later in the show? We're going to be joined by a professor from Madrid, uh, that has published a study on what may end up being the micro dosing of the future.

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[00:01:23] He's staying up all night long and then he doesn't feel hungry and that he's not eating until late in the day. And his, his clock is all whacked out. Uh, Adam Felder is joining us. This is something that he has been, uh, vocally, uh, discussing and even wrote a book about it. And we're going to talk about that, and that is the idea that the breakfast, uh, especially in the climate of intimate and fasting has become like a demonized.

[00:01:52] Right. And so let's talk about something, first of all, um, Adam, you wrote a book about this, talk about the brief [00:02:00] book and then we'll get into the topic.

[00:02:02] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:02:02] Uh, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, in breaking fast, uh, it's a short book. I mean, the, the goal behind it was to explain the history of breakfast and where I came from, uh, all the way, getting back to, you know, proof of breakfast, uh, being consumed by Oxy, uh, that, you know, 10,000 year old man, they found in the Swiss Alps and they found.

[00:02:25] Remanence of like a bowl that you would use to, um, mash like a grain, like almost like an oatmeal. I make these like porridge, like pancakes on a hot stone. So we have been using breakfast for a really long time. And, and when in the last, you know, you know, in the last 200 years, you know, agriculture, and then, you know, you come into.

[00:02:47] Breakfast cereals and breakfast drinks and creation, instant breakfast, and, you know, Starbucks loaded with all these on digestible chemical induced bullshit foods that has become synonymous [00:03:00] with what breakfast is. But breakfast in fact is not a meal. It's an action. Right, right. You're breaking fast. And it ultimately.

[00:03:10] What that does is so much more than sets you up nutritionally for the day. It sets you up for a better night's sleep. And so many of us struggle with our health because our sleep is impacted.

[00:03:28] Carl Lanore: [00:03:28] Yeah,

[00:03:28] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:03:28] because we're not eating earlier enough in the day. We're not, you know, we're working, we're, we're working out too late in the day.

[00:03:35] We're consuming coffee too late in the day. And, and look, I own a fucking coffee company. Like I'm, I'm the first person to say like, Hey, coffee's awesome. However, like if you drink it late in the day, it's going to affect your sleep, which then you're going to feel like dogs. And like, I don't want to create this cycle.

[00:03:54] My goal has always been because I come from being a trainer. I came from [00:04:00] a place of not capital gains, but like health gains. Like I wanted people to actually be healthy. So I didn't analyze data and come up with a product that made sense. Based off of Google analytics, I looked at like, what does my consumer need?

[00:04:14] What does my, what does my client need? And I was training some of the best people in the world. Like why G the wrapper. Blake. Mycoskie the founder, the founder of Tom's Ray Lewis. Like, you know, I don't need to know, you know, you know, everybody knows that is like, these are the people I'm working out with and they all needed breakfast.

[00:04:33] And I wrote a small book called breaking fast. That explains the nutrients that we need in the morning. Why we need to be thinking about hydration, why we need a minerals and electrolytes in the morning, why we need proteins, why we need fats. And, and ultimately why we actually, caffeine is a really, you know, from coffee is a really incredible source and, um, of, you know, polyphenols antioxidants, and it's an ergogenic.

[00:04:58] So it does a lot of benefit. [00:05:00] There's a lot of benefits. Uh, two coffee,

[00:05:02] Carl Lanore: [00:05:02] right. But I wanna, I wanna hit on a couple points that you made earlier, too off the air. So first of all, um, we have signals that tell our body that it is what scientists called the locomotion period. Locomotion period means you're up, you're moving around.

[00:05:20] And the locomotion period, uh, is triggered by two things. The presence of certain wavelengths of light. Known as daylight. Yep. Right.

[00:05:30] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:05:30] Balloons are set. That's our central clock,

[00:05:33] Carl Lanore: [00:05:33] but then food, food, eating consuming actually tells the body that this is daytime. And so, bye bye. And, and keep in mind, we're going to give people a plan today.

[00:05:46] Hopefully that will catch on because if you're a fan of, if a fasting. There's there's a new way to do it. You're going to learn about on today's show. So number one, food is part of the [00:06:00] signaling to the body that it's time for everybody to get up and move. The other thing that's very fascinating is that you said earlier that people are in drinking coffee to wake up, they're drinking coffee to keep from falling back to sleep.

[00:06:16] There's a nuance there. People like, Oh, call you. No, no, no. There's a big difference because. Throughout the day you move your body cleaves, adenosine triphosphate as a form of energy, the adenosine gathers in the brain and causes sleep pressure and sleep pressure goes, Oh, it's time to go to sleep. So the reality is that while caffeine is valuable, when used properly, the more important tool it's a tool.

[00:06:45] Yes. The more important thing is a. Light in the morning, specific wavelengths of light, not artificial light, be that first meal that tells the body things that are happening and see activity. If you're [00:07:00] devoid of any of these three, you're not going to sleep well. Period. End of story. 100%

[00:07:06] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:07:06] right way, right?

[00:07:07] I mean, you're, you're, you're, you know, you're talking about the biological clocks, right? Like the central and the peripheral, the central is driven by light for is driven by food. If we're not getting sunlight and food, first thing in the morning, nutrients, right. Are what's triggering these things. Vitamin D is a nutrient that we're taking from the light.

[00:07:24] It's not the light, it's a fat, in fact, it's what it's creating inside of us or delivering to us. Right. So we. Are triggering that an X hours we're going to sleep well, then people drink caffeine coffee and be like, this is going to keep me awake. Uh, you know, and, and it's like, no, it's actually keeping you from falling asleep.

[00:07:43] Cause it's blocking that Daniel's seen receptor and this is why it's actually more important to get a good dose of caffeine. First thing in the morning, not like this, like little. You know, like a little 60 milligrams, like fuck that you might as well, not even take it. Like you're not [00:08:00] actually even going to like block those receptors and do what you want to do.

[00:08:03] You need, you need like, at least like a hundred, 110 hundred and 20 milligrams of caffeine to really block those adenosine receptors. And when paired. Well, a good breakfast that has fats and proteins, that caffeine is going to slowly digest differently. Right? It's not going to kick you in the face. It's going to have a wonder, a digestion period, you know, a metabolization period.

[00:08:26] And I ultimately people that, you know, wake up and they are high performers. They work out in the morning. Right. But then they don't eat. They're missing like the second part. Right. And that's affecting sleep, or then you have people who may eat breakfast, but now they're working out late in the day and now they're affecting sleep.

[00:08:47] They're incredible studies around them. And how, if you, the later you eat in the day or the later you work out in the day, the less REM you have right at night. Right? Right. So it's like, so why, [00:09:00] how the intermittent fasting, you know, 16, eight make any fucking sense. It should be eight 16.

[00:09:08] Carl Lanore: [00:09:08] Right. Well, actually actually could juice it and this is what's going to help us today.

[00:09:14] We're going to come to a plan today for everybody, right? So th all the research on intimate and fasting showed a couple of things. Number one, it improved weight loss. Well, why did it improve weight loss? Well, number one, because it reduced total calories taken in for the day. There's no magic to that.

[00:09:30] Right. You eat less and you move more and you lose body fat, number one, but

[00:09:36] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:09:36] good. Anybody that's done intermittent fasting knows how hard it is to actually consume 2,500 calories at the time that you have.

[00:09:43] Carl Lanore: [00:09:43] Right.

[00:09:44] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:09:44] Right, right. So it's like generally become underfed.

[00:09:48] Carl Lanore: [00:09:48] And that's the, and that's what it's con contributing to your weight loss.

[00:09:52] You're basically eating less. But the other thing that it does do is when the body isn't processing food, it can do all of the [00:10:00] important cleanup things like autophagy. And so this is when we see sirtuins rise. This is when we see organelles getting rid of senescent cells. So there is a value to time restricted feeding, but we've flipped it.

[00:10:15] We've got it upside down. That's the problem, because if you really want to do this, right, and you, and you don't ignore evolution and you don't ignore science the right way to do this is first thing in the morning. Step out in the, in the daylight, let that bake your eyes and your face, eat a meal. If you're going to have your caffeine, have it first thing in the morning so that it's wearing off later in the day.

[00:10:40] But more importantly, we know from research that 12 hours. Is adequate to produce all the other benefits of fasting of time, restricted feeding. So just stop eating at 6:00 PM. Make sure you're done chewing at 6:00 PM. You'll still have the 12 hours [00:11:00] that you need to do the things that you want from fasting or time restricted feeding, but just not at the inappropriate interval of time.

[00:11:09] Stop stretching out the morning and stop eating later in the evening. What do you think about that?

[00:11:16] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:11:16] 100%. 100%. I, you know, I think what's really important right now is that everybody understands that I did intermittent fasting for a very long time, the wrong way. Right. I fought professionally.

[00:11:31] Intermittent fasting keto. Like I read the book from Lauren Cordia and I read Nora JDS. Right? Like I'm good friends with Nora, like through the, my love for primal diet, primal body primal mind. Right. That whole conversation. Right. You know, like what kind of state of human we are and what we need. Well, we eat certain foods and we need them at certain times a day because they trigger certain things.

[00:11:54] I think ultimately. You're spot on. Like, I, you that's exactly [00:12:00] what I call re you know, the, you know, the rift diet, right? Like it reversed, intermittent fasting, right? Like the ideas that were reversing, the idea of what was sold to us, to prop, you know, to like prop up like products and like market space and yeah.

[00:12:19] Really cater to the convenience of ultimately like our laziness, like, Oh, I don't have to eat breakfast.

[00:12:26] Carl Lanore: [00:12:26] Yes. And that's really what it cost to

[00:12:30] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:12:30] like breakfast anymore.

[00:12:32] Carl Lanore: [00:12:32] Big problem. Amongst most of us is we don't plan our meals. And so it's so much easier. You you'll hear people say, Oh, well, intimate fasting is so convenient.

[00:12:44] Yeah. It's convenient because you're skipping having to do anything to think about food. However, it doesn't mean it's the best way to go. So the other thing that I want to talk about is training fasted. So then you will have the argument from people. Well, training [00:13:00] fast. That is good. That has been disproven by science, both.

[00:13:04] Dr. Brad Schoenfeld out of state university of New York came on my show probably three or four years ago after publishing a study that showed that when calories were corrected for that doing fasted cardio elicited, no greater fat loss than train doing cardio after, after a meal. And so when you account for calories and you go, well, why am I doing fasted cardio?

[00:13:30] If it's not doing me any good.

[00:13:34] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:13:34] Yeah. What I would even argue to say that facet cardio would probably increase cortisol. Right. So, you know, because you know, people are like, Oh, I love that zone feeling I get when I'm fasting. And it's like, yo, that's actually a state of you being like, I don't want to die.

[00:13:50] And you're in distress, which is why you're hyper-focused. Cause that would be the thing you would use to go into like a hunt. You know, fight or flight kill mechanism. Right. [00:14:00] So, I mean, I, I think that when you look at intermittent fasting, Uh, and you look at facet cardio. I read that, uh, with Brad, actually, I originally heard it on your show and, uh, it was also published in one of his books.

[00:14:13] And I think, uh, also has really talked about intermittent fasting and not just not. Losing weight, but losing muscle was, uh, Dr. John Berardi, you know, he did it, he did an incredible study, very thorough. I think he was probably one of the most thorough, you know, practitioners, cause he's like really walked the walk when it comes to like bodybuilding.

[00:14:33] Right. And he is, and he is, and he's, uh, you know, he's the founder of precision nutrition. One of the cornerstones of nutrition, I think, uh, you know, nutritional education and his, his study on intermittent fasting, he lost like 10 pounds of muscle mass. Right. Well, it's like, there was a lot of things that you could kind of jump around and point back to.

[00:14:54] But I think that if you're intermittent fasting and you're working out in the morning, like the most successful people do and the people that get shit done [00:15:00] because they know once their day starts, I'm not gonna be able to get back into check really well. Like you're talking about not only not working out facet, but you're talking about not refeeding right.

[00:15:11] You're talking about like, Now, like going like hours and hours. I know like people can argue like, Oh, well, like protein, you're going to need it for like next 72 hours for muscle repair and stuff. Like, yeah. Well, like what about like glucose and like, you know, and protein and on how all that can help you with muscle repair and ultimately like, like make you also feel better, like recover because like, we don't just get better tearing ourselves.

[00:15:33] Now we get better build ourselves up, which is like how it then all falls right back to like how bad. And then in fact, like affects your sleep negatively.

[00:15:41] Carl Lanore: [00:15:41] And then, then the discussion. I want to put this up from, uh, Marco, uh, Mark the Corso. He says training fasted, mentally has been a game changer. And we're going to talk about that.

[00:15:52] Why? Well, I want to hit on this again. Uh, John Kiefer, who came on my show tapped into this with car backloading. Actually not [00:16:00] really fast, but zero carbs all day, then start the carbs halfway through the workout. I haven't eaten carbs in the first half of the day, day in years, this is a mistake. Believe it or not.

[00:16:11] And he came on, he came on my show and talked about this, and then he changed his position on it later on. So. Eating carbs late in the evening will make you insulin resistant over time. It absolutely will. This has been shown and eating carbs, close to bed, which was one of the things he proposed, you know, have all those carbs at night.

[00:16:32] He's leveraging a metabolic anomaly by telling people, Oh, just eat your carbs at night. That's all you need to do. Those people have come to me and said, when I eat my carbs at night, I sleep horrible. Yeah, of course you do. Of course you do, you have to quit because it's jacking up

[00:16:51] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:16:51] some wicked dreams.

[00:16:52] Carl Lanore: [00:16:52] Yeah.

[00:16:53] It's it's it's, you know, I get the message. So part of what you're feeling that you Foric feeling is [00:17:00] ketones and what you just said is true. In fact, Joel green and I did a very, very good show showing that people who were into keto and fasting. Um, it actually changes the germline of both the egg and the sperm, and it, it actually has the potential to create a baby ill-equipped for a world of abundance because the body thinks it's starving.

[00:17:25] It produces ketones to make you forget how horrible you feel and go into the woods and hunt all you can. This is really what that euphoric feeling is. Um, the. The reality is that while that may be a great novelty, you know, Oh, it's just so cool, man. I feel so, you know, and by the way, vegans field is too, because of over, over accumulation of copper in the brain.

[00:17:49] Um, But while this is a great novelty, like, wow, I feel so good. It's really like, it's like breaking the glass and pulling the handle on the fire alarm for your body. It's [00:18:00] not really good for you to do that all the time because the body thinks that it is starving and proof of this is show me anybody who does keto, who does intimate fasting, who has paper thin skin like a bodybuilder.

[00:18:16] Who eats his first meal at four or five in the morning to go train at the gym at each six other meals a day. And don't say it's drugs. Cause it has nothing to do with Clenbuterol. You can't get ripped and lean unless your body thinks it lives in a world of unrestricted abundance of food. And we used to call this the fasted.

[00:18:36] The fed state back 20 years ago, when we were doing the talking about getting ripped, all the bodybuilders know if you're in a fed state, the body lets go of fat. It says, Oh, we don't need it. We get meals all the time.

[00:18:49] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:18:49] Totally. 100%. I mean, I've walked in bodybuilding path before. Like I, without a doubt, anybody that comes to me and asked me for advice, I go, well, do you have [00:19:00] 30 grams of protein and a bowl of oatmeal?

[00:19:02] Uh, when you wake up in the morning, And they're like, no, I'd fast. I might do that. And then see what happens. Right. They do that and they lose like inches on their waist. Right. And I think that, you know, bodybuilders, they were the first hackers.

[00:19:19] Carl Lanore: [00:19:19] They were like,

[00:19:20] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:19:20] like these guys, like they figured shit out based off of intuitive practice and it

[00:19:26] Carl Lanore: [00:19:26] resulted in results.

[00:19:28] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:19:28] Right results. But they were like calculated. They would adjust things like in these micro meters, like, Oh, like, Hey, let's do that. Delt raise with your arms, just a little with the thumb, turn down, you know, let's just let your, like these like biomechanics, traditional mechanics to what they figured out without all the fancy fucking computers and shit that we wear on our wrists now.

[00:19:48] And like, whatever they figured out and. You know, I don't know, you'll know who did this, but they did a study. I may have been John Berardi actually where it was like the difference between four meals and [00:20:00] six meals. And they showed like empirically, like the, that five, six meal was like significantly better in lean body composition based off of total calories.

[00:20:12] So it was, it was an, so it was like, I I, so I write about this in the book breaking fast, I call us a proteins. We become a protein snacking nation. We don't consume protein in large enough amounts to actually trigger, you know, anabolic, metabolic, you know, results, right? Like we don't get enough leucine or whatever you want to like say is what it does.

[00:20:34] 12 grams of protein as being registered really is like collect chloric intake, not, you know, boots, let's build some fucking muscles. Right. And I think that. When you look at why we need it. You know, stretched out over five meals and, you know, six meals it's like, so we get a certain amount of protein per meal macronutrient.

[00:20:54] And I, I believe it was John Berardi and he showed him, it was like, it was a massive difference. It was like 20 boosts

[00:21:00] [00:21:00] Carl Lanore: [00:21:00] bill. Toko who's a friend of mine who does bodybuilding, competitive bodybuilder diets. We, we, he set up a diet for me and I said, can I fast, can I train? And he says, Carl, you know, yeah, I just don't see the results.

[00:21:12] I have a lot of people who want to train fast, that they want to skip that meal and it, and here's why it goes back to evolution. When the body thinks that food is in abundance, it lets go of body fat. When the body thinks that food is scarce or we get it for a while, then we don't get it. It stores body fat.

[00:21:30] This is a fact, this is the evolutionary gift of yours. So when you eat four or five, six meals a day, day in and believe me, this takes weeks to program the buck. The body goes, we don't need body fat. We've been getting five, six meals a day. We can let go of body fat and we'll get shredded. Let me, let me, uh, go, go to a couple more comments and questions here.

[00:21:52] Mark says, I have absolutely noticed feeling like crap before bed. I intuitively change to carbs between one and [00:22:00] six and that's great. And my opinion is stop carbs at four. So move it up even further. And then he says, Touch on balance between being mentally dialed in and energy and eating the feeling is addictive.

[00:22:14] Yes, it is addictive. And it's because it is designed to block pain and block your thoughts that, Oh my God, we may die.

[00:22:22] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:22:22] Well, yeah, you're getting endorphins. Right. Like, you're literally getting, you're getting neurochemical, like responses based off of the fact that you're in a state of duress, you know, and like we all kind of wake up like that.

[00:22:34] Right. And those that skip breakfast and just slam coffee and then, you know, their insulin levels spike, they got all sorts of things, you know, that are out of whack, but. You know, if you've ever been like super high before something and you get that weird, like dialed in feeling like all of a sudden I need this or I need to survive, so I don't fall over.

[00:22:52] Right. Right. And it kind of almost makes you a little queasy when it happens. Cause it like snaps you so fast. I think that's like what people are [00:23:00] feeling, but they're sustaining it over like a long period of time and yeah. Of course, it's going to be a deck tag. So are drugs

[00:23:07] Carl Lanore: [00:23:07] when you're looking for feeling good.

[00:23:09] Yeah. From your diet, it requires multiple meals a day, but more importantly, one thing I am opposed to is is, is fat starvation Porter Cottrell told me years ago. That he was getting ready for one of his Olympia competitions. And he was, you know, they, back in the day, those guys cut their fat out because they believed that if you cut fat out, the body used fat.

[00:23:33] He went into the gym to  to train legs. He was going to have to squat and he did very minor. He did 10 micrograms of clin back then. He was not even as even his anabolic steroid regimen, which we talked about on my show in 2006 was modest compared to what guys are doing today. He said, Carl, I started to train, I did my warmup set.

[00:23:57] And all of a sudden I had this [00:24:00] urge to cry and he started crying in the gym. He racked everything, he put everything up and he left. When he got home, he said, I craved olive oil. So he did a couple tablespoons of olive oil. And when the body saw that fat, he said, I snapped right out of it. I felt better. So if you want to feel good from your diet multiple meals a day, and don't exclude fat, don't go low fat.

[00:24:27] Make sure you have adequate amounts of fat because the brain wants fatty acids. It wants fatty acids. So,

[00:24:35] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:24:35] and MCTs are a great source. I did my bodybuilding show. My coach was very. No, he was not like the low fat guy. I had to take a tablespoon of MCT oil to every meal. And I was eating five meals a day and I was still getting ignited with grams of fat a day, uh, from these very digestible oils, you know, versus like always getting your fat from, you know, animal proteins or [00:25:00] something, you know?

[00:25:00] But, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's super fascinating. Cause like, when I think about. Uh, when I think about bodybuilders and all the chicken and everything. And then I think about somebody like, um, who is a John Meadows, dog diet, how much exit? I mean, how many, how many eggs and fat that guide consumes gets.

[00:25:21] Ridiculously shredded he's, you know, and he's super strong. And what people need to realize is that like saturated fats are like precursors to even like your positive hormones. So it's like, you do need it. You do need those fats are important. Like food that, you know, the FDA is not the NDA, right. They're not the nutritional.

[00:25:44] Dry right there, the food and drugs they're selling food and drugs. Right, right. Like nutrition is completely fucking different.

[00:25:50] Carl Lanore: [00:25:50] Right. Right. You know, when we went with them. Right, right,

[00:25:54] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:25:54] right. And when they went off, when they went like low fat and everything was low fat because like lush and alternate

[00:25:58] Carl Lanore: [00:25:58] and look where we are today because of [00:26:00] low fat look at where we are

[00:26:01] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:26:01] doing a bunch of people, a bunch of no testosterone having.

[00:26:04] 50 year old men that are,

[00:26:05] Carl Lanore: [00:26:05] you know, now they're trying to do that to us with red meat, which red meat has got to be a staple of your diet. You have to eat it regularly. We have to take a break. Why don't we come back? Uh, we're going to carry on this discussion. So this is the, so this is the summary of the first segment.

[00:26:21] You can still employ time, restricted feeding, just shift, have your first meal in the morning. Just stop eating earlier in the day. This will reward you from an evolutionary standpoint because we weren't out looking for food. Once it was dark, we were out because then we would become food. We could be preyed upon.

[00:26:40] We were out looking for food. As soon as daylight hit us. Until it started to get dark. And then we got back in our Hudson, our caves to protect ourselves. So let's start a new trend. Let's start it here at the superhuman nation. You can keep calling it intimate and fasting. If you want to just have your first meal breakfast, stop [00:27:00] eating earlier in the day and then watch what happens.

[00:27:03] And we're going to talk more about multiple meals when we come back, uh, by the way, I want to give a real quick plug. Uh, because Adam has a coffee company and they're actually going to be a sponsor of ours very shortly. Uh, if you go to SHR network.biz/strong coffee, we'll talk about his unique coffee formula a little bit later in the show, but check them out.

[00:27:23] We'll be right back with both superhuman radio. Stay tuned.

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[00:27:39] Hey, welcome back. We're talking to Adam Bond on Roth Felder, and we're talking about taking a look at a different look at breakfast and what it really means and what it provides. Um, a couple of notes I made while we were talking, I want to go back over vitamin D three should be thought of as the, the daytime hormone, the way we [00:28:00] think of melatonin as the nighttime hormone, we would never get sunlight late in the evening.

[00:28:06] So if you are taking vitamin D three, you should take it in the morning and you should take it with fat so that the lymphatic system can absorb it and you'll get more of it inside of you. The other thing is we did a show a while back. That looked at, it was a study that showed that, um, that over-training is a result, not of training too much, but eating too little to compliment the training.

[00:28:33] So if you feel like you're burnt out from your training and over-training, and you're thinking I got to back off that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is maybe you need to eat more or more frequently. And. To come full circle to something that you said earlier, Adam, Ron Penna, when he was over at quest, he, he developed a concept that is very, very good.

[00:28:56] And it was that when you look at satiety [00:29:00] and overeating in general, the body has, uh, uh, a quoter of protein at once. So if you're eating a product. Like beans beef people say, Oh, beans are a great source of protein. No, they're not. They're 30, 34 to 42 grams of carbohydrate per serving, and six grams of protein.

[00:29:19] If I had a stack of money. And on the top, there was a hundred dollar bill and the bottom, there was a hundred dollars bill. And then throughout it they're singles. Would you say that's a stack of hundreds or singles? Of course not. You'd say it's singles because predominantly singles. So when people look at beans as protein, your body is driven to get its protein.

[00:29:41] So you have to eat more. Of high carb, low protein foods to reach satiety. And he showed this, Ron did this a long time ago, so that comes full circle to what you're saying about the body, craving the protein. And you don't really feel satisfied [00:30:00] until you've gotten enough protein, which fits nicely into the model that bodybuilders have been using for a hundred years now, multiple small meals, a day high in protein.

[00:30:12] Complex carbohydrates and fat follow. Okay. Now that's where we are. We were, we already set the stage for how you should be eating breakfast, stop eating earlier in the day. Go ahead. Take it from there.

[00:30:27] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:30:27] Yeah. Yeah. I mean that, that summarizes like my life and thoughts, so, well, I mean, I think that, um, when I look at breakfast, I think that it really got thrown under the bus because of the foods that were associated with it.

[00:30:48] Right. And it people wouldn't like, um, you know, I mean, like in Asia though, like they're having fun and having like bone broth and like steak for breakfast. Right. [00:31:00] So talk about like an amazing way to start the day carbohydrates, uh, minerals, you know, proteins like, right. I mean, That makes sense. A bowl of cereal doesn't make any fucking that's.

[00:31:11] Right. Especially when you're trying, especially when we're trying to develop muscle. Right. And I've been, I've been very lucky to be friends with some awesome people that like you've had on the show and get to like know some people like Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, you know, who works with, like, with work, who works with like Mark Hyman and, and her and I have been nerding out on the conversation of protein for.

[00:31:36] Eight years, right? Like why protein really is the macronutrient that people aren't talking about as much as they should be when everybody is talking about like lower carb or higher carb, higher fat, lower fat. And you're like, well, what about higher protein? And studies have come out and show him that we.

[00:31:53] We as a society have less muscle mass than like previous, right? Well, it's not just our fucking [00:32:00] muscles that are being affected. Like we've just sound like a bunch of meatheads. If all we did was sit here and talk about our muscles. Our brain requires protein. It requires amino acids. You know, it's like what balance balances neurochemistry is found in proteins and fats, right?

[00:32:14] Carbohydrates are, you know, glucose is a great driver of energy, but effectively it's like. Our body even makes glucose like are, you know, it's

[00:32:24] Carl Lanore: [00:32:24] out of proteins and out of fats, it could gluconeogenesis. I know.

[00:32:28] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:32:28] Right? Exactly. So, so you don't need, you don't need the doughnut. You don't need those, those things and you don't need to associate that to breakfast.

[00:32:37] And it's not to say you can't have a donut. It's to say that if you're going to have a doughnut, you probably have more protein. Right. Like you should, you should be thinking about more protein throughout the day if you're craving those kinds of foods throughout the day as well. And I think like the more and more that we ultimately educate ourselves in what it is that we're doing and how we pair it with our activity, like show me a person [00:33:00] who works out really intensely and then like co like CrossFit, right?

[00:33:04] Like really just like balls to the walls. If that person. Is not getting any glucose. They're going to have some like HP access issues. Right. They're gonna have, they're gonna, they're gonna have some hypothalamus issues to deal with. Right? Like they are going at such a high level, aerobic, anaerobic, like all these things, right.

[00:33:26] No, like somebody who's like following like a really like a more steady state cardio, like, uh, like an endurance runner, you know, they could like, like running at a slow pace. They're like slogging, you know, for 50 miles twenty-five miles. Like they're more adapt to like the idea of having just, you know, more fats and lower cards.

[00:33:45] Right, right. So it's like all I have to think about what is right for activity type. But ultimately it does come down to what we have seen in science, which is breakfast works. Five meals, six meals a day work works. You want to get strong? You want [00:34:00] muscles like here you have one, you have two negotiables be fatter or be, you have more muscle, right?

[00:34:05] Which diet supports more muscle, which diets supports more.

[00:34:08] Carl Lanore: [00:34:08] Yeah. Additional bodybuilding diet. In fact, bill Toko came on my show and we talked about embracing the bodybuilding diet. The reality is that if anybody has ever read any of Randy roaches muscle smoke and mirrors, you know that one of the greatest gifts from the fathers of physical culture, wasn't just physical culture.

[00:34:27] It was nutrition that supported a lean muscular body and they will, these guys were eating five and six meals a day. Vince Geronda all of them. I mean, you know, they, um, Ron Petta was just on talking about, uh, the passing of his father-in-law Chet Jordan. Chad eight like that into the seventies, he still looked like a bodybuilder.

[00:34:47] He was super lean. Why? Because he ate low co lower carbs, high protein, multiple meals a day. So we have a couple of let's answer a couple of questions here real quick. Um, faith fitness guy [00:35:00] says, what are your thoughts on the concept that ancestral and cultural waking times has rousing and gathering food taking time before the first meal.

[00:35:11] And he says, I am a breakfast enthusiast, by the way, I have an opinion about this. I do. Um, do you want to go first and give, give your opinion about the idea that getting up in the morning and doing work before actually eating is the right way to go.

[00:35:27] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:35:27] Yeah. I mean, I don't think that they hunted every meal fresh.

[00:35:30] I mean, they, they had ways of smoking and curing needs.

[00:35:33] Carl Lanore: [00:35:33] They had, they had berries and nuts. We know this, they kept berries and nuts because they had to eat first thing in the morning.

[00:35:38] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:35:38] We were actually more foragers and scavengers than we were hunters riot, like, so we would have berries and, and nuts, and we would find like a dead carcass from like a lions morning, like 6:00 AM feed at like 7:00 AM and pick like the bones off of it.

[00:35:55] Or like the meat off the, you know, like, and then like take the Le you know, take the leather from the [00:36:00] hide, you know, like that was more actually who we were than like, Oh, let's go out and fucking hunt some shit. It's like, eh, That that, that definitely, you know, happened that, uh, as much as we think it did, it was more of like, uh, like a ceremonial thing.

[00:36:14] Carl Lanore: [00:36:14] Let's talk about this, let's go back and talk about the fed state that we know allows you to get leaner and leaner what we did and what we wanted to do, or should have done a very, very different. So if you woke up in the morning on the Savannah hungry, And you didn't have berries or some, some dry, cause don't forget.

[00:36:38] I eat biltong. You don't build Tanya's

[00:36:41] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:36:41] Oh, I love Del taco. It's way better than beef jerky for anybody who doesn't know

[00:36:45] Carl Lanore: [00:36:45] what it is. I have bags of biltong here. You know why biltong is cured by hanging the meat in the sun. So we knew how to do that thousands of years ago that wasn't,

[00:36:56] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:36:56] that didn't take it damage.

[00:36:57] It doesn't damage the neutral two, which is [00:37:00] huge.

[00:37:00] Carl Lanore: [00:37:00] Right? So the reality is that we have always wanted to eat upon rising. That is why the word breakfast has been in our vernacular. For thousands of years, we knew that we were fasted. Nighttime came. We were done eating morning, came, we were hungry and we broke our fast.

[00:37:21] Otherwise the word wouldn't even be part of the vernacular. I mean, it's just, it's just, you know, it stands to reason

[00:37:26] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:37:26] so well, and it's like, look out your window at 4:30 PM. Like right now, this time of year it's dark out, it's getting dark out, like, right. Like, yeah. So, no, you weren't getting at 7:00 PM with a candlelight dinner and a bottle of, you know, Pinot noir.

[00:37:40] And so it's like, that's that thought process like takes you further away from evolution. And like, we don't even have to theorize. Like we know what they were doing based off of science and what our body literally does with food and sunlight in the morning. Right. Like we don't have to theorize around it.

[00:37:59] It's a great [00:38:00] conversation, but it's also like talking about the matrix and every other kind of theoretical scifi kind of concept. Right, right,

[00:38:07] Carl Lanore: [00:38:07] right. So again, I'm going to take a break here. Uh, but I want to summarize where we are right now. So here's where we are right now. Keep doing your time.

[00:38:16] Restricted feeding, however. Have your first meal in the morning to help trigger the body's timing. To know that it's daytime along with life and stop eating earlier in the day. I predict if you do that and you combine that with multiple meals a day, it's easy to eat five meals a day. You have your first meal, you have lunch, you have your dinner and you can have two small snacks in between that.

[00:38:43] And you're done by sundown eating. To really take this to a more ancestral level and watch what happens to your body and watch what happens to your sleep and watch what happens to how you feel. I predict that this is the right way we should be [00:39:00] doing. If you want to call it intimate and fasting, not missing that first meal, but, but moving that last meal up earlier, that's what I want for sure.

[00:39:08] Um, and I, if I,

[00:39:10] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:39:10] if I could add one thing, I just, like we're saying is that, and for those that. Are like hearing us and they're like, I want to do that. You referred to it as the locomotive state in which we're in. And I've always thought of like the locomotive state as like a, like a, like an analogy to like a train where it's like a small amount of coal on the fire in the beginning is a great way to start.

[00:39:30] You know, this train to heat up, right? This, this actual locomotive. And if we just take a small amount, like a liquid based protein, um, you know, something easy to digest, that's like a great way to get in that first meal. Yes. Because it's easy on your digestion too. And you can eat like two hours after that three hours after that.

[00:39:51] And it'll be like the best breakfast you ever had. Because you actually had time to get your brain going and moving and, and, and, and make the right decisions. And then you crack the [00:40:00] eggs open and you're like, boom, like you got, you know, your next meal,

[00:40:05] Carl Lanore: [00:40:05] make your, make your protein shake with raw eggs. I've been eating raw eggs for 20 years.

[00:40:09] I've never gotten sick from them. The Coleen is fantastic. The cholesterol is undenatured and unoxidized from heating it. I mean, people have been eating raw eggs for thousands of years,

[00:40:19] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:40:19] right? Six of them in a glass with like a little shot of orange juice, all this kind of mixed up. I haven't tried it. I, Oh man.

[00:40:27] I had to. Yeah. So Jay Schroeder that like the mad scientist, a trainer out of Arizona that trained Adam Archeletta. Uh, for the NFL combine back in the day, he got him real popular on the, the machine called an ARP wave, which is using like electro frequency to stimulate muscles. And do he had me drinking, fix eggs raw in the morning, a little spot of orange juice, stir it up, slam it.

[00:40:54] And then I would drink chocolate milk from like then through my workout for the next [00:41:00] two hours, like a half a gap, like a quarter gallon of chocolate milk. Right, right. And like that is literally what he had me drinking. And I'm like, am I not going to get sick from this? And I was shredded. I mean, the amount of protein and carbs around like training, like an MMA fighter.

[00:41:15] I was just like, wow, this is insane. Right? Looking at this, I feel like this

[00:41:21] Carl Lanore: [00:41:21] Q a fueling your activity. We're going to take a quick commercial break, stay tuned. And then later in the show at the top of the hour, we're going to talk about an Amazonian tea that can actually help you grow. More brain neurons.

[00:41:34] This is really interesting. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Okay. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power of good

[00:41:46] welcome back. So I want to switch the topics because I think we've gotten the message across of what we're trying to say and what I best good breakfast. Good breakfast is back in style. [00:42:00] And it's important, not just because of what you're eating, but because of how that triggers the circadian rhythm.

[00:42:06] You'll sleep better and blah, blah, blah. And he just started eating less in the evening. And your meal shorter earlier in the day. I want to talk about your coffee because it's not just coffee, is it?

[00:42:18] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:42:18] No, no, actually, uh, I actually have a little sample box right here, way more than coffee. Um, you know, I think it really is.

[00:42:29] It really began with, uh, looking at like what we do need in the morning and with the belief that I believe that breakfast is essential. Um, I really wanted to think about what in breakfast is, you know, what nutrients are essential for breakfast. Right. And when I looked at it, I looked at the, I looked at the bigger picture of like, why we're also skipping breakfast.

[00:42:52] It's usually a time thing. Right. It's a, it's a convenience factor. It's, it's a lack of knowledge. Uh it's uh, it's an, [00:43:00] it's a compounding effect and I wanted to make a product that is simply answered the biggest question, which is what should I have for breakfast. And I created, uh, the first nutritional, uh, full body latte and what we have.

[00:43:16] We have three flavors now and it all started with the first one. Which is our, uh, our suite one, uh, but it only has, uh, two grams of coconut Palm sugar. And Monkfruit, uh, it's grass fed 15 grams of grasping collagen. Uh, five grams of, uh, CAC, 10 MCT oil, and then there's some really incredible nootropics and, uh, uh, you know, basically a nutraceuticals like, uh, neuro factor, which is been clinically shown to increase BDNF by 143%.

[00:43:50] And, you know, by getting that like cognitive kick in the pants, like first thing in the morning, You're gonna feel better. You're gonna make better decisions. You're just going to feel sharper first thing in the [00:44:00] morning that with 150 milligrams about B and D and, and, uh, the MCT role and the caffeine, and it really just elicits that feeling that you almost get in a way when you're fascinated, but it's because the nootropics are doing what they're doing and it.

[00:44:17] Nutritionally your brain and body are being taken care of. As you know, 15 grams of collagen has now been shown in a study. And I don't know if you've seen this, but, uh, Dr. Mike T. Nelson did a breakdown of my study. Yeah. So he did an incredible breakdown in this study on white 15 grams of collagen. It was the essential amount of collagen found just as they have found the essential amount of whey protein we should have based off them,

[00:44:42] Carl Lanore: [00:44:42] Lucent protein, protein, synthetic response, and leucine.

[00:44:45] Right? Exactly.

[00:44:46] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:44:46] Yeah. So now they have the collagen, uh, protein, synthetic response, and it's 15 grams. And when taken 60 minutes before a workout, It has so an incredible, uh, production and college at fibro sides and [00:45:00] development. And so we took all the ingredients that you need to not just have the proteins, the fats, but the cognitive and, and focused energy that you deserve from a cup of coffee, all in one cup of coffee that also is not aiding in.

[00:45:17] Being the high is, is aiding hydration. So we have coconut water extract, hyaluronic acid, and Himalayan, sea salt to give you a really nice hydration. Um, To your copy as 76% of all Americans are dehydrated, right? So it's like an 86% of us are grabbing a cup of coffee. Well, why am I, the first person that's talking about coffee should have a hydrating component behind it, or, you know, the idea of like us put enough healthy men and now trick the fan

[00:45:46] Carl Lanore: [00:45:46] and the LPN is good because it actually, uh, kind of, uh, uh, mitigates the over excitability of co of caffeine.

[00:45:54] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:45:54] Totally by increasing serotonin and right by increasing serotonin. Right? Same with the ultra fan. [00:46:00] We have a blend of  as they're both serotonin precursors. The closest feeling that I can relate it to without a, it's not a claim that it's like Adderall, but it feels in the fact of like how you elevate, but it's controlled elevation and it's not like erotic.

[00:46:18] It's L pediatric the fan or the chaperones to caffeine,

[00:46:23] Carl Lanore: [00:46:23] caffeine increases dopamine. And when dopamine becomes too high, you get you, you feel anxious and serotonin. Kind of buffers that feeling. So you have the precursor to serotonin. So let me ask you a question. Um, uh, people should drink this with their breakfast yourself.

[00:46:40] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:46:40] Oh, 100%. So because I, yes, 100%. I'm not saying this is a practice. I'm saying this is a, this is a side part to your breakfast the way I, yeah, it's complimentary the way I, the way I saw it. Um, and we actually have, so we have, uh, we have an oatmeal coming out, uh, the cat's out of the bag. Um, we've got no veil coming out.

[00:46:58] Um, [00:47:00] and, uh, you know, before we skip into that, we also have a black coffee that has all those same, the Athenian, the neuro factor and ashwagandha that I kind of called the sec, the perfect second cup of coffee, and this doesn't have the collagen. So it's vegan again. It's MCT. Not that I'm a beacon proponent,

[00:47:17] Carl Lanore: [00:47:17] but they drink.

[00:47:19] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:47:19] Right. Exactly. They drink coffee, but you know, so yeah. So you should have breakfast, right? You should, you should be eating your food. Um, I think what the benefits you get from it collagen and from MCT oil and the callbacks and the nutraceuticals and the, and the minerals you're getting all in strong coffee are a great compliment.

[00:47:38] To like a big bowl of oatmeal and maybe some eggs. Right. So it's like, or like, um, you know, a perfect bar, even like, Hey, like perfect bars. Aren't crazy. They're like 15 grams of protein, uh, like 25 grams of carbohydrates. It's oatmeal. And honey, you know, if you're somebody who works out in the morning, you're still getting in between the, the coffee, the coffee in that bar.

[00:47:59] You're getting [00:48:00] almost 30 grams of protein. And you're, you know, so it's like, it's really about a macro nutrient balance and giving somebody the instant nutrition that they need. And I don't to say it's instant in the fact of like, they just put it in hot water cold and it's instant. But it's also like, show me a fat that absorbs faster than MCT oil or show me, like, show me a college in that absorbs faster, you know, approaching that absorbs faster than a hydro slate.

[00:48:26] Right? Right. Like in the sense of like what we're generally consuming. So it's really like instinct, like boom, like my wife says, I don't know what it is, but I'll have a half a cup of this down, you know, a quarter cup of this down and I already feel. Like, I'm a person that I am like throughout the rest of the day where it's just like, you have to like, get through a whole cup of coffee and let it sink in for 25 minutes before you feel anything.

[00:48:50] Right. So, um,

[00:48:52] Carl Lanore: [00:48:52] the web, the web, the website is SHR network.biz/strong coffee. If you want to visit and check out, you know, I want to talk about [00:49:00] coffee for a second longer because you know, I'm Italian. Um, and, and, you know, uh, the, my grandmother made coffee on a it's called a Maga net. It was a coffee pot.

[00:49:10] That you filled up one end with grinds and the other end, you filled up with water and you turned it over and it bubbled up and it came. And then that was very, very dark. Liqour almost like an espresso. Maybe it wasn't espresso. We called it Demi tasks. I don't know where that word came from, but I'm accustomed to drinking.

[00:49:28] Very strong coffee mixed with coffee, with cream. Heavy cream. That's how we drank it. When w when my, my parents and my grandma, my grandparents. And when you look at Cuban coffee and you look at other coffees from other, uh, Latin countries, like Italy, like Spain and so on, they, the coffee is a liqour, but it's always buffered by.

[00:49:51] Uh, like even in Mexico, they use sweetened condensed milk when we were in Mexico, Elisa and I, they would literally take, I take a spoonful, which is delicious. I know. [00:50:00] And that, and then you go to Italy and you have to ask for cafe Americano because they look at us like you idiots, you don't know how to drink coffee.

[00:50:07] You, they, they take a couple of shots of espresso. They put some hot water in it. They hand it to you here. Really good coffee had nutrition in it. It had fats. It had, you know, uh, and let's not forget. Butyric acid was found in butter and cream has the, the fat, um, uh, what do I want to call it? The fat, uh, uh, I can't think of the word right now, but it's got, it's got a cream has butyric acid.

[00:50:35] So it leads to the production of, you know, at the, at the fat membrane, the fat membrane. Is in there. And so, and so, but it's lost when they homogenized cream, which we do here in the United States. So my point is coffee was never just coffee. It was, there was, it was, there was a vehicle in there that also gave you some form of nutrition, whether it was a little bit of protein and a lot of fat, that is [00:51:00] how cold coffee has always been.

[00:51:01] And I really think that that is why so many people in the United States have trouble drinking coffee, because it's just that raw, gritty Brown water.

[00:51:10] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:51:10] Oh, yeah. Well, it's, you know, I mean to kind of go off on a coffee tangent, I mean, I think that what, you know, you're seeing coffee is the same thing as the end of batch.

[00:51:20] And it's like more exotic sources and expensive bags somehow make the coffee better. Right, right. Where it's like really like a single source era. Bekah whether it's growing in Sumatra, Ethiopia, wherever the fuck it is, it's like, It's going to be like, if we're talking about like bacteria and we're talking about polyphenols and we're talking about ergogenic effects and we're talking about like, Like, yeah, maybe the taste get number a little bit because of the soil or like what they roast it with a lot of the times is really what changes the flavors they put like different woods or something, you know, to like give a cherry notes or, you know, and I think that ultimately what we need to look at is like, the coffee is a tool.

[00:51:57] It's a shuttle. Right. And what is really [00:52:00] sad, you know, you, you mentioned the positive benefits about coffee, but like, you know, Let's not forget about the coffee plant, right? Bobby plant and the coffee Berry in which the coffee would be in the, comes from also known as Cascais, that gada is the most powerful polyphenol source on the planet.

[00:52:18] Right. And what polyphenols do for your brain is. The reason we, we don't have a lot of polyphenols in our food because we don't eat a bright spectrum of foods constantly. Right? Where it's like somewhere in present in India, they're eating bright, yellow, everything, greens, reds. We are eating 80% of our vegetables that come from the mustard seed.

[00:52:35] So it's a very one dimensional nutritional conversation of like the array of polyphenols that we, so if you're, if you reintroduce the coffee, Berry . To the coffee bean. Now you have a polyphenol powerhouse, right? You have something. And that's why our coffee. We combined, we sh we stopped wasting away. 50% of the coffee plants.

[00:52:58] We said, we're going to keep that Berry. We're [00:53:00] going to take that beam. We're going to grind it up. We're going to make it instant. And we're going to make a coffee that increases. Your BDNF by 140% and BDNF is directly associated to neurodegenerative diseases, right? Like learning cognitive ability. If you have low BDNF, you have a higher likelihood of neurodegenerative diseases.

[00:53:19] Alzheimer's dementia. Like any of those things. Right. So you want your BDNF to be up, right? Right. Like, so like it's more than just coffee. Any right. It should be paired. So like what you're talking about heavy cream or like a bold copy that's Daybreaker

[00:53:35] Carl Lanore: [00:53:35] right, right.

[00:53:37] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:53:37] Oh yeah. You put this in hot water, 15 grams of collagen and five grams of MCT oil with a coconut butter extract creates a super Milky texture.

[00:53:47] It has no coconut flavor. I actually put cacao in here to give it a little extra kind of like bitter bump there. Right. There's a Himalayan sea salt. So the salt you would get from like the butter is in [00:54:00] there. Um, I just didn't put butter in it because. Butter can and might turn bad,

[00:54:04] Carl Lanore: [00:54:04] faster, and it can transmit.

[00:54:06] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:54:06] It can, it can clump different, weird things. MCT, I think is a better source of fat, just in the sense of like absorption, like, and like, and right. And how it works. I love butter though, but I really dig MCT oil. And that was, that was Daybreaker for me. Somebody who likes like, uh, like, um, Like a sweet latte or like a sweet cream inside of a coffee.

[00:54:27] That's what the red one is. Right. That's morning fix. And then it's like, Hey, I don't drink coffee, but I like all these benefits you're talking about. Well, that's why we came out with a macho latte. Right. So, so it's like fine. You don't, you don't want it. Coffee. I get it. You don't want the acid? Well, guess what?

[00:54:42] Our coffee is actually 76% lower in acid than conventional roasted coffee because we do low temperature, cold brew, spray, dried coffee. Right? So our coffee is cold brewed, then spray, dried, and low temperature heat. And turned into copy crystals that are organic

[00:54:58] Carl Lanore: [00:54:58] and then that sensitize it [00:55:00] sensitize. I look, the, the website is SHR network.biz/strong coffee.

[00:55:04] Check it out, show him some love. They will be a sponsor. Will you'll start hearing commercials very shortly. It's been great having you on the show. This has been a great discussion. I hope that we changed some people's opinions on the right way to do intermittent fasting. Let's see if we get some messages back.

[00:55:19] I look,

[00:55:20] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:55:20] take care of. I have a couple of blogs. On the website. So when they go to, you know, when they go and they go and check out strong coffee, I have some blogs on the website that actually talk about reverse intermittent fasting and why breakfast is gonna help us sleep better. So if they want to kind of read a little bit more of like, we didn't talk about Zeit burgers,

[00:55:37] Carl Lanore: [00:55:37] well, you're going to, you're going to be back on.

[00:55:38] You're going to be back on. I look, we're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to be joined by professor Jose Morales. I think it's Garcia. I may be wrong. I'm going to get his name right before we have them on to talk about an Amazonian tea. This fits nicely in this discussion.

[00:55:54] Very, very nicely into this discussion that actually may help. Build new [00:56:00] neurons stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio.

[00:56:07] welcome back to super Yuma radio. We have the wrong name on today's show. I apologize for that. So I have a little banner ad. I'm going to put up with the correct guest's name and that's professor Jose angel Morales Garcia. Welcome to the show professor. Hello,

[00:56:23] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:56:23] thank you for your invitation.

[00:56:25] Carl Lanore: [00:56:25] Yes, of course.

[00:56:26] So you, you, your group just published a fascinating study, uh, and the title of the study was an Amazonian T that stimulates the formation of new brain neurons. First of all, why this study? What, what information is out there already that you felt that you needed to examine this, uh, this, uh, research? Okay.

[00:56:48] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:56:48] Well to begin with, we have some information, some information coming from, from people who usually drink tea and, uh, in, in several studies, in, in hospitality, they have proved [00:57:00] that, uh, this, this people who drink, who drink there, the T eh, Haas bear, um, um,

[00:57:08] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:57:08] better life in.

[00:57:10] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:57:10] Relationship with disorder with psychiatric disorders.

[00:57:13] So many times, uh, the pricing and the freedom for the press is related to do what we call new new identities. That mean the formation of new neurons. This is why we thought, okay, if people who say that half drink, um,

[00:57:31] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:57:31] I

[00:57:32] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:57:32] said, uh, that the president is better for them maybe because, uh, Uh, this is proven maybe it's because we have a new new processes here.

[00:57:43] This is why we started to study the guy

[00:57:46] Adam Von Rothfelder: [00:57:46] in,

[00:57:47] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:57:47] in the lab with, uh, with animals and in vitro.

[00:57:51] Carl Lanore: [00:57:51] Okay. So I want to distinguish a couple of things. So we hear a lot about Iowasca. Um, and, and from people who will go to [00:58:00] a shaman type. Uh, organizations and they will be given very, very large doses of Iowasca that actually caused nausea, vomiting.

[00:58:09] And, uh, but then when the hallucinogenic kicks in, then they start to experience the, the, the, um, Uh, uh, th th the changes in there, there view and how their brain works. So, yeah, so, but, but good enough. You're not promoting that large dose. You're promoting a tea that is made from the same plant. So then we're talking about a smaller dose, right?

[00:58:34] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:58:34] In fact it's the same, the same, the, the, the T that the people use in these rituals, uh, compound, uh, has a compound called, eh, dimethyltryptamine

[00:58:45] Carl Lanore: [00:58:45] DMT,

[00:58:46] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [00:58:46] DMT DMT. So what we start in the lab is the DMT, just the DMT, but in a low, low, low concentration, we use 10 micromolar. This is. Practically nothing with [00:59:00] this low dose of DMT, we have this, this way effects on generation of new neurons.

[00:59:06] Carl Lanore: [00:59:06] So, um, now th this fits nicely. So, so, uh, about, uh, five or six years ago, we started talking about microdose, LSD. That's become a trend here. Now, lots of people in microdosing, LSD, and LSD precursors, like one P LSD and others. Um, and so w and, and, uh, the college of London, um, Was embarking on a study to use microdosed LSD to treat major depressive disorder.

[00:59:35] And the early results was very, very promising. Uh, so we, we know about, uh, micro dosing, LSD. What you're suggesting is micro dosing, a botanical hallucinogen, correct. So does that, does that botanical hallucination have to be standardized because let's face it like wine, you know, growing seasons, uh, weather, soil all plays a role in the [01:00:00] concentration of the, the target in this case, DMT and the plant.

[01:00:03] Right.

[01:00:04] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:00:04] Yeah. Uh, in that case, the key is the dose as you have, as you have said. So we have checked that are very loud. Those can have very beneficial effects in, in that case, in, in this neurogenesis. And this is, it's really interesting what you are talking about, because this is one of the main, uh, topic in, in scientific research to now.

[01:00:26] When, uh, many people are studying that, eh, those compounds, uh, that usually are known as, eh, harmful like the, and the cocaine or LSD, uh, et cetera. Uh, we can use them in

[01:00:40] Carl Lanore: [01:00:40] low doses

[01:00:42] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:00:42] in very low levels. So this, this has a very beneficial effects

[01:00:46] Carl Lanore: [01:00:46] effect. This concept has been around for thousands of years. In fact, the native Americans in the United States were known.

[01:00:55] To follow the Buffalo. And, uh, [01:01:00] and, and on the Buffalo poop on the feces, small mushrooms would grow and these mushrooms were hallucinogens. And we know that the native Americans would gather these mushrooms, dry them and keep them. And when they went on their vision quests, when they were looking for answers to questions about life, They would then consume these mushrooms and that they would hallucinate.

[01:01:26] And, and so w I guess, um, and I have, I, I did a lot of LSD in high school. I talk about it on the show all the time. I did a lot of LSD and later in life, I was living in Las Vegas and I went to a lecture by Dr. Timothy Leary. And no one showed up for this lecture except maybe 10, 12 people. So I had an opportunity to talk to him at length one-on-one and, uh, w w we, we realized now is that these hallucinogens not only stimulate [01:02:00] neurogenesis, but they, they stimulate a type of neurogenesis that seems to.

[01:02:06] Go around the Corpus callosum so that the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere of the brain can communicate without going through the clearing house, which leads to original thought and other phenomenon. I can't think of the word. Uh, Synesthesia, maybe where you think you can smell colors and all that sort of stuff.

[01:02:26] So this, this is very fascinating because what we're learning is it may actually have the ability to not only rebuild neurons, but rebuild neurons in a specific architecture, that progress is the human brain. What do you think about that?

[01:02:40] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:02:40] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For us, it's very important that this discovering about, uh, about the new generation enough of, of narrow narrow cells, but he's well known because there is a, there are many studies that prove that is that I had, I consume pro boxer reorganization of the brain.

[01:03:00] [01:02:59] Right. It's changed the information inside the brain. And this is very positive in order to, to, to control. Some illness like, uh, like depression, for example, like a cocaine addition. So people who, uh, who have suffer, suffer, eh, from the prescient, says that when, when they have drink, . Eh, we have improve this, this, this feeling, this, this negative feeling.

[01:03:25] And we now, eh, we know now because of the, of different studies that, that the, this is because  reorganization of, of, of some in part a nucleus. One of them. You have to now  the, 

[01:03:45] Adam Von Rothfelder: [01:03:45] all these

[01:03:46] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:03:46] three around, uh, instructors that are responsible for, for, for behavior, for example. And so

[01:03:55] Carl Lanore: [01:03:55] now

[01:03:55] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:03:55] we know that the, the Westcott can be really benefit in this, these kind [01:04:00] of interactions.

[01:04:01] Carl Lanore: [01:04:01] So is Iowasca tea available, uh, in grocery stores?

[01:04:05] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:04:05] No, no, no, no. I didn't know. In the United States in Europe is forbidden, so we can, we can use it. We cannot use it just because of a scientific purpose. So we cannot in Europe, we cannot have the D w and we kind of have the plant, just the DMT. If you, if you have it in the laboratory for your, for your studies.

[01:04:30] Carl Lanore: [01:04:30] Okay. Um, so let's discuss the, the, the study. So how was your study designed? Well,

[01:04:38] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:04:38] the first thing to do is to, to, to check your hypothesis in, in vitro. That means with cells.

[01:04:46] Carl Lanore: [01:04:46] This is why we work

[01:04:46] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:04:46] with, uh, neural STEM cells derived from, from animals, from mice. So we, we isolate the nearest themselves and we studied the effect of the DMT.

[01:04:58] So. [01:05:00] This neural STEM cells, uh, are going to produce three kinds of, of cells. The neurons, the astrocytes are very important in the homeostasis of the brain and where oligodendrocytes well for the, for the production of myelin in our

[01:05:16] Adam Von Rothfelder: [01:05:16] nerves. Right?

[01:05:17] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:05:17] So,

[01:05:18] Carl Lanore: [01:05:18] uh, we weren't interested in

[01:05:19] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:05:19] neurons, uh, when we, so first of all, in vitro, what that this company was able to, to, to stimulate.

[01:05:28] And the proliferation that BBC on of the narrow themselves. So the neural STEM cells have to divide many times, many times, many times. And then for the different cells, the oligodendrocytes astrocytes or neurons, this is what we approve, uh, in individual with the neural STEM cells, isolated from mice. Then when we saw, uh, that we have a really good effect.

[01:05:54] Um, on your Genesis, on the production of new neurons, we went to [01:06:00] the animal model in the animal model. We injected the MTA in interprets anally to, to the, to the animals. We wait for three, three weeks because we have to wait. First of all, to, to the neural STEM cells, start to divide then to move. Then to reach the final destination and then to become a, uh, an Europe.

[01:06:22] So after three weeks, we, uh, we make some behavioral tests with, uh, with animals to prove that these new neurons were, uh, were really working

[01:06:34] Carl Lanore: [01:06:34] functioning. So.

[01:06:35] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:06:35] Yeah, we're fixing them. Right. And, uh, what we saw is, uh, finally we, we studied the brain of the, of the animals and we saw that, uh, we had really a new generation of neurons in certain areas of the, of the brain.

[01:06:51] And these generation of the new neurons were linked to an improvement in the cognitive, uh, task.

[01:06:58] Carl Lanore: [01:06:58] Okay. So let's talk about the certain [01:07:00] areas of the brain that it does, the hallucinogens. Have very specific areas of the brain that it affects or will it affect? So we're talking about mostly sensory nerves.

[01:07:13] What about, what about, um, motor neurons? Uh, you know, um, Parkinson's disease, neuro neural muscular diseases. Do you see any change in trajectory of neurogenesis and say the substantia nigra? No,

[01:07:26] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:07:26] not yet. This is our next step that all this has started. We have perform where, and there a facility called conditions.

[01:07:34] That means in normal conditions in normal cells, the next step that we are doing now is stabbing the neurogenesis in a Parkinson model of, of, of the disease. So, uh, have you, uh, you have, uh, intolerance very well. Eh, we have to induce. The the, the Parkinson in our animals. And then the study, if, if they are generating new neurons, but [01:08:00] new, the criminality neurons that are the neurons that die in the, in the practice on disease.

[01:08:05] So, uh, this is, uh, this is the  doing just now.

[01:08:10] Carl Lanore: [01:08:10] Yeah. That's exciting. You know, cause then you're talking about dementia. You're talking about Parkinson's you talking about ALS you're talking a widespread, a host of diseases that have no answer whatsoever. I mean, carbidopa and levodopa, they just speed the Parkinson's disease faster and, and hurt the person even faster because they, they deteriorate the brain faster.

[01:08:31] Um, so D D. The myelination of the brain is associated with aging. The brain literally starts to shrink. And so obviously this could play a role in re myelination of the brain. Do we know that it, that these compounds. Like DMT have any peripheral actions. Do we know that they could influence the myelination of peripherals?

[01:08:58] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:08:58] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The [01:09:00] thing is we'll have to study this, the formation of new neurons. That's what was, was our first aim. But we have seen in this study that, uh, that the DMT can induce us also the production of, of, of, of myelin. So you can use this, these results. You can do

[01:09:18] Adam Von Rothfelder: [01:09:18] this study.

[01:09:19] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:09:19] I suffer for demyelination disorders like sclerosis or whatever.

[01:09:26] Carl Lanore: [01:09:26] Well, or peripheral, just just general. I mean, peripheral neuropathies. Everybody's got peripheral neuropathy

[01:09:31] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:09:31] for everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:09:33] Carl Lanore: [01:09:33] For sure. Wow. This is exciting

[01:09:37] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:09:37] for the general there's enough new neurons. When we know in our, in this study, now our models that we can stimulate the nearest and cells, and we confirm the neurons, but we didn't know, uh, what kind of neurons.

[01:09:49] And this is very important for the treatment of several disorders because Famer. We have, um, that the, the Colleen narrative newborns are dying [01:10:00] impact in Pakistan. We have that the department, Arctic neurons sclerosis, we have that the myelin

[01:10:07] Carl Lanore: [01:10:07] is wrapped it.

[01:10:08] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:10:08] So,

[01:10:08] Adam Von Rothfelder: [01:10:08] uh, we don't

[01:10:11] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:10:11] know up to know what kind of, of, of neuron we can generate.

[01:10:15] And this is the next step. If we can generate any kind of neurons to treat any kind of neurodegenerative disorder or, or

[01:10:22] Carl Lanore: [01:10:22] what. So, um, many diseases start on a cellular level. And when we talk about cellular disease, when we talk about fixing diseases on a cellular level, the mitochondria becomes the focus of, of much research.

[01:10:40] Um, even in cancer, we know now. That, uh, the mitochondria switches to anaerobic respiration before the uncle genes change. So we can say that even cancer has its origin in mitochondrial dysfunction of one sort or another. Do we know if these compounds [01:11:00] have any direct or indirect effect on mitochondria?

[01:11:04] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:11:04] We don't know yet we have observed some, some kind of a newer protection in the, in some, uh, animal mothers, but we don't know specifically the signal pathway that the DMT. Are are, are you using so in my hands, I don't know if, if, if has any effect on mitochondria.

[01:11:26] Carl Lanore: [01:11:26] Uh, so now, now let's go back and talk about the common, uh, current use of our OSCA.

[01:11:32] So there, there are people who travel abroad and go to. Various countries where they have the shaman and they take a very large dose of Iowasca and they hallucinate sometime for two or three days continuously. Uh, and they, they get violently ill. First. They vomit, they feel terrible. And then once the vomiting and that subsides, they start to enjoy the process.

[01:11:58] Do we know [01:12:00] anything? Do you think there's any value to these larger doses, less frequently as opposed to smaller doses? More frequently? Yeah.

[01:12:11] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:12:11] In my opinion, in my hands, uh, I called him with, uh, our research is that the law does, this

[01:12:18] Carl Lanore: [01:12:18] are more effective,

[01:12:20] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:12:20] even, even low doses. Eh, don't need to, I mean, When you, uh, there is no toleration.

[01:12:28] I mean, uh, when you take the DMT at a low dose, you don't need to be increasing the dose. Eh, any time. In fact, we have, uh, we have inject to the animals, always the same goes you in three weeks, just in three weeks, we have observed a very, very positive effect on the generation

[01:12:48] Carl Lanore: [01:12:48] of new neurons that

[01:12:51] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:12:51] allow those is enough.

[01:12:53] For a half a

[01:12:54] Carl Lanore: [01:12:54] benefits. And then, and then how long does that last? So once, once you reach that [01:13:00] point, let's say in three weeks, you're giving a low dose every single day, and now you see the trajectory of neurogenesis happening, right? And once you, and if you stop at three weeks, will that neurogenesis continue to happen for weeks and months later?

[01:13:13] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:13:13] Probably probably, uh, the fact is we, we give, we give this treatment to the, to the animals during the three weeks, because three weeks is the time that the nearest themselves, eh, eh, uh,

[01:13:27] Carl Lanore: [01:13:27] differentiate.

[01:13:28] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:13:28] Yeah, differentiate and go to the final destination. And this is why we use this, this, this,

[01:13:35] Carl Lanore: [01:13:35] but then the animals that the animals are sacrificed that in order to look at the brain.

[01:13:38] So we don't know it could be going on for six months later.

[01:13:42] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:13:42] But this is a very interesting question. You, you, you say, because maybe we can give the treatment for three weeks. We haven't thought about this. So thank you very much for the idea because, um, uh, one interesting point is to give this treatment maybe four for three [01:14:00] weeks and then stopped.

[01:14:01] And wet for one month maybe, or, or two months maybe, and go inside the brain again to see what's going on. So maybe this is a good point for, for our future investigation.

[01:14:12] Carl Lanore: [01:14:12] Yeah, that's wonderful. So, um, at this point in time, your research could eventually lead to a form of treatment. Um, I know that when I, when I did acid as a young man in high school, And even in college, I did very large doses to where I hallucinated for two or three days at a time.

[01:14:37] And when I micro dose more recently over the, I started microdosing about four years ago. Here and there not a lot. And I noticed that, first of all, I tolerate a low, a larger dose. I have friends that say, Oh, I do 10, 15 micrograms of LSD. I can do 50 and 60. I don't hallucinate. But what I do notice is the world just looks.

[01:15:00] [01:15:00] Better, you know, the sunlight hits the building. I never noticed it before. Wow. Look at that. That's beautiful. And it's almost like everything becomes new again. Oh, look, you're happy. And everything is happy and things look better. That is the effect that I noticed from micro dosing. Do we have any evidence in humans?

[01:15:20] Uh, uh, that, that, that is what the low dose Iowasca does. It just gives them a better perspective on life.

[01:15:27] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:15:27] Yeah. In fact, we have, um, uh, some information from, from consumers, from iowaska that, uh, has drink, has drank the tea. Only two times your life. And only with two times, uh, they, they say that they, they, they have, uh, proven in, in previous pathology it's related to the, to the nervous system like depression.

[01:15:53] One of them, the main illness is studied in this kind of substance substance is the depression. So just when [01:16:00] one drink or two times drinking the tea. They say that they have a very beneficial, uh, an improvement in that, in this depression, uh,

[01:16:09] Carl Lanore: [01:16:09] futuristic.

[01:16:11] Adam Von Rothfelder: [01:16:11] So

[01:16:12] Carl Lanore: [01:16:12] it's really powerful.

[01:16:13] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:16:13] The, the, the Iowasca is really

[01:16:15] Carl Lanore: [01:16:15] powerful.

[01:16:16] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:16:16] Do you have, do you have the need to drink every day? All the time, or to, to increase the dose

[01:16:23] Carl Lanore: [01:16:23] every week? Yeah. Th the, the current, uh, micro dosing protocol, uh, is a very low dose of LSD, 20 micrograms every third day. That's what the that's what, uh, I guess his name was James or Jim Fadiman, uh, who worked with, uh, supposedly was the father of this whole LSD micro dosing protocol.

[01:16:45] And so you're right. You don't take it every day. You, you take it every third day and, and quite often the dose is so little people don't notice anything. Yeah. I don't, I don't feel this. Yeah, that's good. They say that's good. That's what we want. [01:17:00] But then over time, things start to change. So yeah. Do, do you see, um, do you see this becoming more, uh, available to the general public at some point in time, if it shows safety and efficacy, everybody could be happier.

[01:17:17] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:17:17] I think so because, uh, the good point of this is that this kind of, uh, of, of T this, this, uh, bro, eh, is usually, eh, people usually drinking in, in South America. So we have now all the data that, that regard into side effects. So I to know, we know that it's a potent, uh, um, . And that, uh, you can have many, uh, problems with the stomach, maybe.

[01:17:48] So this is something that we have to,

[01:17:50] Carl Lanore: [01:17:50] okay. So the problems with the stomach is that long-term or just acute when you, you drink it?

[01:17:57] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:17:57] Yes. Acute is just, uh, the day you are drinking [01:18:00] the day or maybe two days later. So, uh, this is something that we can, we can make something, uh, to, to, to.

[01:18:10] Carl Lanore: [01:18:10] Yeah. You know what I mean?

[01:18:12] A little weed that settles this stuff, do a little, Iowasca it, a little weed, then your stomach feels great and you feel better. So, so, so, um, another thing that I think you should study, if you can, is the diversity of the microbiome and how it changes, uh, because we know that. There is a close knit relationship between the microbes and the gut and hormones.

[01:18:38] Nopa means serotonin oxytocin. They change, they influence the diversity of the microbiome would be fascinating to see if, um, because we know that some depressions are driven by chronic inflammation and we know that inflammation is the army. Of the immune system. And we know the immune system is [01:19:00] in the gut.

[01:19:00] It would be fascinating to look at the diversity of the microbiome before, and then after. Uh, use of Iowasca. Do we see these microbes dying and these microbes repopulating, that would be fascinating too, to see what role the microbiome plays in this whole effect.

[01:19:19] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:19:19] Yeah. Yeah, for sure. In fact, my, my field of study is the Parkinson's disease, and we know now that the, the, the microbiome is really, really linked to the, to the parking,

[01:19:31] Carl Lanore: [01:19:31] the development of it.

[01:19:31] Yes.

[01:19:32] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:19:32] Because of the nerve we have in the stomach. So the degeneration can travel from the stomach to the brain and promote these, these, the  is, is really like,

[01:19:45] Carl Lanore: [01:19:45] I want to thank you so much for coming on. This is fascinating and I hope to hear new research from your group so we can have you on again. And I love this stuff.

[01:19:54] This is, I think. You know, so many people are afraid of LSD. And, but as you point, the low, low [01:20:00] doses we're talking about is so minuscule that most people don't even feel anything, but if it can make you love life, feel good. What's wrong with that. We have so many people that are self-medicating with alcohol and tobacco that kills them.

[01:20:17] This could be, this could save a lot of lives in the long run. It really could.

[01:20:21] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:20:21] Yeah. Many times microdose is is, is, is good for everything.

[01:20:26] Carl Lanore: [01:20:26] So yeah, prison,

[01:20:28] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:20:28] everybody think about it.

[01:20:30] Carl Lanore: [01:20:30] Well, wait, we have a question. Let me see. We have a question from a listener. Let's see what it is. Hold on. Oh, he said, wow.

[01:20:38] Neurogenesis. Nice one on DMT. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Lots of things increase, uh, uh, BDNF and neurogenesis, but nothing does it. As fast as hallucinogenics. It's really fascinating that that whole area of science is really fascinating. Uh, professor, thank you so much for being with us today.

[01:20:58] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:20:58] Thank you to you for your [01:21:00] invitation.

[01:21:00] And, uh, if I perform these new experiments of, of your great idea about

[01:21:07] Carl Lanore: [01:21:07] come back, come back.

[01:21:08] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:21:08] I wouldn't put you in the authors of the, of the paper.

[01:21:11] Carl Lanore: [01:21:11] I wish you would do that. That way. I have a legacy when I'm gone, somebody will say, Hey, Carla, Nora, there you go. All right. Thank you very much. Have a wonderful day.

[01:21:18] Take care.

[01:21:19] Prof. José Ángel Morales-Garcia: [01:21:19] Thank you very much.

[01:21:21] Carl Lanore: [01:21:21] And so that's it for today. I'm I'm, I'm actually desperately looking for a new source. I lost my source. Um, for micro dosing. So I'm actually in the process of, uh, of finding a new source. I do believe in it. I think that I think all the asset I did when I was a kid is why I'm as inquisitive.

[01:21:39] Uh, As I am. Maybe that's why my head's so big too. Maybe the LSD made my brain grow. And as a result of that, my head had to get bigger because my head is big. Look at that. Huh? You think I'd be tired carrying this thing around all day. Look, that's it for today. Hope you enjoyed today's show. Hope we change your idea and opinion of, um, of [01:22:00] dietary interventions using, um, Time, restricted feeding.

[01:22:04] Give it a try. I want to hear from you on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. If you start going okay, I'm going to start eating breakfast and I'm going to start, stop eating earlier in the day to get my 12 hours, uh, of time restricted feeding, right. Do it for a couple of weeks. And then email me and tell me how you feel.

[01:22:21] Tell me what you notice. I, I need research. I need, uh, 'cause we're, we're really talking about something that nobody's paying attention to. So. Maybe if I get enough replies from those of you out in the audience, we'll be able to put our, our, our flag flagging this and say this all started at the superhuman nation.

[01:22:38] So there you go. I thank you for being here today and see you tomorrow with more superhuman radio. [01:23:00]