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[00:03:12] So back problems back problems were a big, big deal. According to. National statistics from the CDC, 65 million Americans. This is just the United States. Obviously we have listeners all over the globe, uh, suffer from some form of back problem, episodic, uh, 16 million of them suffer from chronic back problems, back pain that limits their activities.

[00:03:39] And it impacts their livelihood, their productivity, and it costs the United States alone over $12 billion a year between lost wages and hospital, uh, and doctors costs treating, uh, back problems. It's the, one of the most popular reasons that people see their [00:04:00] doctor, uh, is black back pro problems. And so if we could help you.

[00:04:06] Rid yourself of back problems, we would be doing a big thing and we have the guy that actually is doing that very successfully. Dr. Stuart McGill. Welcome back to the show, Dr. Mann. Thanks very much, Carl. Good day to you. Thank you. Thank you. And so, um, you wrote a book that has really helped a lot of people.

[00:04:26] I want to talk about some of more celebrated people that you work with. In fact, just today, every day, a professional athletes reach out to you because their back problems stand to end their career. Correct? Correct. So talk, so talk about some of the athletes you work with and even some that have just recently reached out to you.

[00:04:47] I have, uh, worked with athletes from virtually every Olympic sport, every pro sport. And, uh, sports that some people might call a [00:05:00] pass times, but, uh, they, uh, contact me, uh, only for back issues, but those back issues are inhibiting their performance or they are inhibiting their resilience. Uh, so that's, uh, well to talk about, about the one athlete that we talked about a little while ago, who was a powerlifter and just broke a world record in the squad, and he wasn't able to really squad heavy because he'd started developing back problems.

[00:05:31] Right. Well, that's correct. Uh, I've uh, worked with, uh, probably 30 or 40 power lifters now throughout my career who have set world records. So it's quite a story, but the fellow you're referring to as a fellow named Brian Carroll, he's based in Jacksonville, Florida in 2013. He, uh, he did set a record for his weight [00:06:00] category and squatting, and it was somewhere around a thousand pounds and he weight, uh, around 240 at the time, I believe, but he had a really catastrophic injury for a lifter and I can show you here.

[00:06:13] So this is the base of the lumbar spine and the sacrum and the top and bottom of the disc has what we call an end plate. But if you squeeze it under enormous forces, it fractures and the gel nucleus, which you see there just starts to come up. Through into the routine or body. So this particular model, now I can show it as this model, uh, was of that injury.

[00:06:39] We pull out the plug, the gel nucleus has died, a chromium blue. So I'm just going to arrange this right down the bore of the camera. And as I squeezed, Oh yeah. Look at that. Yeah. So this was a vertical. Fracture and herniation, he'd been to, uh, several [00:07:00] surgeons, different people telling him, uh, do this or do that.

[00:07:04] The surgeons say, well, there's so much damage. We really don't know what to do, but here was the thing at no point in time, did he get a thorough assessment? And, and this isn't an indictment of my colleagues, but it's a general comment. It's very difficult within the traditional health care rubric. To get someone who will give you a decent assessment at, we set aside three hours to assess a back, to really get into the full spectrum of the mechanism that's causing you.

[00:07:37] Can't do it in 10 minutes in any case, um, it turned out that he was continuing. To inflame the situation by creating stresses because of the way he was moving and walking and sitting that it never got a chance to desensitize. So the first job is a thorough assessment then. [00:08:00] Address the real cause desensitize it, by usually changing the way the person moves in some of their habits, et cetera.

[00:08:09] Then as the pain has cooled down now, build it all back up again and, and know enough about the demands of the sport, whatever the sport might be, that you become very targeted and progressive to allow the adaptations for the body to build up the ability. And now the proof, uh, with Brian was we took the MRIs of his spine in 2013 and then a few years later, and that fracture had filled in the spine had remodeled, uh, but the epilogue of the story occurred last month, where he came in around 300 pounds.

[00:08:48] But the person who owned the world record for the largest squat in human history, wait 450, but he came in and set the new all time, all weight category, a [00:09:00] world squat record. Once again, after he was written off long ago of 1,306 pounds can leave your head around. Having the car crushing you on your back and something else that people may not appreciate the precision required to direct that line of force down through your spine.

[00:09:25] If you make a millimeter mistake, you, it will crush you. There's no margin for error at that magnitude, but anyway, that's the story. So thanks to you. So thanks to you, his career continued on. So do you think that most of the problems we have in our lumbar, the most of the problems with back lumbar spine problems, the lower back, and with that being said, Is it, is it because of modernity?

[00:09:50] Is it because we sit so long each day and we sit in the car, we sit on the train, we sit and eat dinner. We sit and eat lunch. We sit at our desk. Is this [00:10:00] really in a, in a nutshell, what's going on with the lumbar spine and humans today? The short answer and for most people is yes. The longer answer is if you came to me and said, Oh, I've got leg pain.

[00:10:16] Is it caused by running or sitting or whatnot? I'd say, well, wait a second. Is it torn? Ligaments? Is the, is it fractured? Has it been bruised? Have, has it been lacerated? Whatever. So my point is. Back pain is the experience that you and the public report I've got back pain, but that's the experience. The mechanism that caused the pain is go wide spectrum.

[00:10:41] So a little bit of assessment will show us, uh, what is the actual mechanism? So let me give you an example. If I was to sit on a stool, which I'm doing now, just let me turn down the Cleaver. Yes, of course. So slightly. So I'm sitting on a stool now. And, uh, yeah, I'm going to [00:11:00] sit up, right. And I'm going to pull up on the stool about 20 pounds per side.

[00:11:05] If that doesn't cause my pain and upset sitting upright isn't causing my pain. But if I slouch a little bit like this, and if that causes my right little toe to go numb, And give me back pain you see right away. We're starting to confirm. Now that sitting is, is the mechanism interesting. Interesting. Okay.

[00:11:28] Uh, can you bring your camera up just a little bit more? It's cutting the top of your head off. There we go. That's much better. Oh, Dr. McGill fell on the floor. He's okay. He's okay. So, okay. So. Uh, we hear a lot of discussion about the, so as it's become the new novel muscle that everybody pays attention to, and there's a lot discussion about, um, about pelvic, about pelvic tilt and that, you know, because we sit the, so as shortens and then when we stand the pelvis, [00:12:00] doesn't really go back into position.

[00:12:02] It, did we discover something when people started talking about that? So as was this just a new novel, you know, not, not really important thing. Again, the short answer is it depends in some people that's very important and in other people it's totally irrelevant. But let me give you the test to determine that a little bit of science.

[00:12:22] First of all. Pain is very corruptive of movement. You know, if you hurt your knee, start to limp you also the grain in some people, not all has what we call a neurogenic response. It tends to take some muscles and diminish their importance. In the motor scheme, sending the brain sends signals to create movement.

[00:12:47] So Mo muscles like the gluteals, for example, In some people are quite diminished with back pain, right? Other people get facilitation. The soloist is a prime [00:13:00] target. Here's the sign a person gets out of the chair and they walk their hands up, their thighs like this, and then they have this forward stooped posture and it takes some times to pull the hips.

[00:13:12] That's me, that's me in the morning, especially, it's really a symptom of, uh, so S facilitation. Some people then say, well, let's do a, uh, hip flexor stretch. So I'm starting to do a lunge, but this does not target sauce. It targets iliacus psoas, rectus, femoris, et cetera. But now let's really target solace. So I'm now going to take a lunch.

[00:13:38] Can you still see me car? Yes, of course. You perfect. Okay. I now do a lunch, but the soloist is a different muscle in that, across the front of the hip and goes all the way up. To the level of the diaphragm of the side of the spine. Now I can power pate. Uh, so it's tendon by palpating, rectus, femoris, [00:14:00] little quadricep drifting.

[00:14:02] EDLE into that. Now I'm right in the ilial pectineal sure on the soloist 10 minutes. So I'm going to start to my Bunge and I don't feel any sauce. Uh, attention. But when I put my arm over her head and I dropped my shoulder back and reach for the ceiling, even more, all of a sudden my soloists starts to, uh, become stretched.

[00:14:25] So I will suspect with you if we can do that very targeted. So as stretch for the first time. You will feel a release and then all of a sudden you're free stand up. Would you like just that another 10, second PhD additive to that? Yes, please. Yes. Some people have something that has been new in the last 10 years is the role of fascia in the body.

[00:14:52] Right now, the solace, as it turns out in some people has a very strong fascial connection. [00:15:00] So talk about stretching of the psoas. I'm just going to dip down on one knee so people can see my hand. Right. But I'm doing the Soma stretch. And then if I internally and externally rotate my hand, you will feel the soulless tension change.

[00:15:16] Proving that in that particular person, they have a fascial connection. So if they are going to stretch their solace and if they have. Uh, the fascial connection through that anterior spiral tree, when they're doing a, so a stretch, they will wind up solace and release it. So now you're starting to see the science, uh, involved in truly getting at, uh, releasing a soloists in certain types of people.

[00:15:43] So even though they have a tight psoas, the way that you approach it as is. There are subcategories. Once again, I want to plug the book now, before we move forward, because I want people to understand that you don't have to live with back pain. You don't, um, [00:16:00] you, there, there are things that you can do on your own, in the comfort of your own home and around the outside of your home.

[00:16:07] That will. Totally changed your relationship with your back and its pain. If you go to the website, SHR network.biz/fix back pain, uh, you will be brought to the back mechanic website. This is Dr. McGill's a website where you can purchase the book and, and behold, you've had this translated into how many different languages now.

[00:16:28] Uh, I'm not exactly sure, but I think we're somewhere around 20 different languages. Yeah. Because back pain knows no language diversity. It's like people have back pain, no matter where they live. So you can get this book in just about any language, which means you can buy it for relatives who are suffering with back pain and they will get relief.

[00:16:49] On their own and have control on continuing to exploit that relief as they age, which is the really important thing. Because if you go to, I love chiropractors, they are great. [00:17:00] I love people who do deep tissue work. They're great, but you have to make an appointment and you have to go to get relief. This book will put you in the driver's seat of getting relief when you need it.

[00:17:12] Around the clock. I, so there's the, there's the website to go to. So there's another phenomenon that I'm noticing. Um, our fascination with washboard abs is changing the, uh, lower curve. They're supposed to be a little curve in the lumbar spine where the tail kind of used to come out and we have people.

[00:17:35] Who do to either enlarge organ mass or visceral changes, they start to develop this distended stomach and trying to suck it in even more to give the illusion of a flat stomach, they actually take their, their, their tail and tilt it forward. Their pelvis becomes tilted forward. I'm guilty of this myself.

[00:17:58] What, what is that? Are you [00:18:00] seeing more issues related to that at all? Well, I don't know if I could really answer that particular question, but once we assess the person, we'll figure out what the mechanism of payments and in some people they've tried to do far too many sit-ups for example, And, uh, they, uh, one of the mechanisms to create disc bulges is to keep flexing the spine over and over again with added load.

[00:18:30] So say you were on your hands and knees, uh, exercising your spine by doing cat camel exercise. That that's fine motion, but that's not what causes disc bulges. Disc bulges would be the young, uh, man trying to get the six pack, so to speak and not realizing that they could have done that with say a plank or something where they could have organized the curvature to reduce the stresses on the spine that would lead to, uh, the discogenic disorders.

[00:19:00] [00:19:00] Uh, for example, so, uh, flattening the back, doing the pelvic tilt. Uh, it would be a stressor, but I'll, I'll tell you how we would find that out. Carl, if we asked the, uh, uh, person, just do a pelvic tilt, flatten your back and do the up, back and forth, go back and forth 10 times. Did that create the familiar symptoms if they say yes.

[00:19:27] Well, when I flattened my back, that was the symptom. Now we've got a one-to-one match. But here's the next thing. Now, put an Olympic bar on your back, a bar 45 pounds and repeat the cycle. It, it will then show you a little bit of load just added that, um, or mimicking the motion of the setup and we just found your pain trigger.

[00:19:52] So, uh, According to the back mechanic protocol. Now we've identified it. [00:20:00] Uh, when you bend over the next time, instead of bending over flexing your back in Deere pain, think of the shortstop in baseball who puts their hands on their thighs, and they're waiting in the infield for the play to emerge the shortstop squat now curve the back so that there's no pain.

[00:20:24] And then instead of lifting with the back, pull the hips through, and then all of a sudden that person has found how they can pick up their grandchild off the floor, uh, do the dishes or whatever, whatever it is. Uh, so if you see how, once again we had to sub-categorize the back pain, do an assessment. Now we are able to coach that person away from their pain triggers and let the whole system cool.

[00:20:51] The book is dedicated to allowing people to assess. Where the problem is coming from you, you've just illustrated three or four [00:21:00] different self tests that would allow a person to go, okay. Now I know where my back pain is coming from. Now. I'll go to the chapters that show me how to address that. How much of the book is dedicated to self-assessment?

[00:21:11] Well, the scientific background, there was the first few chapters, but the actual chapter that shows the critical tests, the self tests that a person can do on their own. And there's only nine of them. That's chapter six. And the interesting thing is once the person does those self tests, they will have a more thorough exam.

[00:21:33] They will, then they will get from nearly every medical lisp, right. Go to, which is something funny to think about. So, um, how do you feel about, uh, hip thrusts? You think it's, uh, it's, it's a good thing for the back health or you think that it can be taken too far? Well, I would answer it if you didn't pick on hip thrust and you said dead lifts or bench press or, uh, any [00:22:00] stretch or yoga or whatever, my answer is always the same.

[00:22:03] Every single exercise is a tool to reach a goal. Now let's establish what is the goal? And have you chosen the best exercise that gives you the greatest reward? And least risk to reach the goal. So do you see why I need two pieces of information now to answer a question specifically about hip thrusts, what's the goal, and then let's decide if that's the backstage exercise.

[00:22:32] So let's assume. That we really want to activate the gluteal muscles. It's a pretty good exercise to do that. Do you need a lot of poundage on a bar across your, your, uh, pelvis? Uh, the answer is no. Interestingly enough, if your brain thinks about squeezing your butt together, uh, and elevate key, here's a cue for [00:23:00] you.

[00:23:00] Uh, what who's on your a hundred dollar bill? Is it a Thomas Jefferson? No, he's on a 20. Oh, okay. Well, whoever is at Franklin, I think. Yeah. It's Ben Franklin. That's right. Ben Franklin, not in your butt cheek. Sorry for the analogy. And you squeeze that Ben Franklin, because someone's going to try and pull it away.

[00:23:21] Keep the Ben Franklin squeeze. This, you come up and down. And interestingly enough, that conditions the brain and really super drives that exercise without putting on a lot of weight. Other little tricks is keep your feet flat on the floor and try and push your feet away through your knees. That will add more gluteal drive.

[00:23:46] And yet another idea would be to put a band around your knees. So when you're spreading the band through your knees, that's also going to super drive the, uh, the gluteal muscles. So in that respect, [00:24:00] it starts to get the gluteals reminded. Uh, by the brain that they may have been diminished through pain.

[00:24:09] Remember I said, they are a target of neural inhibition through pain, uh, back into the motor scheme. Do you want another 10 seconds on that? Yes, of course, of course. Really, really important course. Of course, if that person has hip pain or the front of their hip, you know, you were telling me it's a little bit more difficult to pull your hips through.

[00:24:32] As people get back pain, some of them will become hamstring dominant and they have less gluteal contribution. So if that's the person we're dealing with a hip thrust is a really good exercise. You'll see. However, here's the thing. If the person, the stakes hamstring dominant when they extend using the hamstrings.

[00:24:56] The hamstring biomechanics pushes the [00:25:00] front of the hip joints into the socket and you will feel the pinch. Whereas if you can extend with the gluteals, it will thrift the femoral head, the top of the femur back out of the image. This is exactly what I'm suffering from right now. So about, about three or four years ago, I injured my right hip.

[00:25:23] Uh, by doing very, very heavy bent over rows. And I got really too wide for the geometry of my hip. And I had this grinding sensation that I actually heard in my head as well. I went and had some x-rays done. I didn't have the MRI done, um, shame on me, but anyway, About a year ago. I started to notice my hip is bothering me for people who don't understand where the, when your hip bothers you, you feel it in your groin, not your gluteus minimus muscle on your side.

[00:25:54] People point that their side and they go, I have hip problems. That's not your hip, your hip is in your groin. [00:26:00] And so I started to notice that when I bent forward, And try to get almost like a Jack knife and stretch my back and then allow my pelvis to go back to where it belongs. I didn't have any hip problems.

[00:26:15] It was only when I started moving wrong that I started to feel my hip bothering me. What, what a, what a perfect story. Absolutely. Um, I had several thoughts while you were just jump in there, jump in there, jump in there. Yeah. No. So, so what were your thoughts? Well, first of all, it's Testament to you are self-empowered by understanding what the mechanism was.

[00:26:41] And once you were aware and savvy of it, you operationalized it and you fixed your hat, which is fabulous. Uh, I wish more people would do that. Here's another little thought. Um, if you took it could a kettlebell or a weight and you hold it in the goblet stuff. [00:27:00] And then squat down, but don't squat through the legs, squat through your hips, but try and spread the floor with your feet.

[00:27:10] As you go down, I found that you could have regrouped a movement pattern that didn't trigger. Your, uh, your pain. So by doing that pressing out, which is the way I used to squat. When I used to squat heavy, I used to push out, not down, but by pushing out I'm, I'm balancing the hip joint with the muscles that aren't being activated.

[00:27:35] Is that, is that what you're saying? That's exactly what we're doing. So that idea that I told you how the gluteals. Pull the femoral head back a little bit. And then all of a sudden, as you descend, there's less pinch in the front and you are very perceptive in your description of hip. Capsule and impingement pain.

[00:27:59] It [00:28:00] can be right in the crease. It'll go into this inner quadrant of the thigh and then radiates and radiates down into a testicle leather. Yes. They're going to their family doc saying, Oh, I've got a sore Testa going low. Wait a second. The hip exam shows that when you probe the hip, you're replicating the pain and that is the original primary on the, uh, Pain source.

[00:28:26] In fact, that radiates right down into the front of my knee sometimes when I try to and get up and do, and I don't mean anterior thigh. Exactly. I want to give the website to get the book again because. You don't have to live live. Now look, there is some back pain that will not be fixed by the, uh, the information is booked.

[00:28:50] There's always going to be outliers who have more damage, but if you're somebody who's living with back pain, Before you go and have your back open back surgeries. I don't care what anybody says. [00:29:00] I will never get back surgery. I will always find the way around it because once they open up your back and they start tinkering with it, you're never the same.

[00:29:06] Anyway, you're just, you're just destined to have back problems forever. So do everything you can. That's you talk about surgery? Well, let, let's talk about it. On the other side of the break, I want to take a break. I want to plug the book. It's SHR network.biz/fix back pain where you can get this book and start working on it.

[00:29:26] And there's lots of simple things in this book. We're going to talk about planking. We're going to talk about walking. I mean, people don't understand how powerful ambulating is for the lumbar spine. We're going to take one quick commercial break. If you want to post questions, you can post them here on Facebook.

[00:29:40] We'll be right back with more. Of Dr. Stuart McGill featured, you were listening to the superhuman channel we're ripped and we're ready.

[00:29:59] Welcome [00:30:00] back. We're talking with Dr. Stuart McGill about fixing your own back to wonderful thing. It's empowering. So you wanted to mention something before we went into the break about surgery. Let's do that. And then question for you. Well, uh, in terms of surgery, when I started the low back pain experimental research clinic at the university over 20 years ago, now, one of the things that we vowed we would do was we would follow up with every patient.

[00:30:31] We wanted to know our clinical score, where are we making a difference or not? In the follow-up one of the questions. Uh, well, let's, sub-categorize those people of the people who came to us and said, we've been told, we've tried everything, yoga chiropractic physiotherapy. We've been to the shrink, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:30:56] And the last thing that we have as an option now is [00:31:00] surgery. So if that's the category the person was in, so they're a tough case, nothing has worked. They've been recommended surgery. If they follow the basic approach of back mechanic, 95% of them avoided surgery and in a two year follow-up, they were glad that they did so, uh, 95%, uh, avoided, sir.

[00:31:26] That's that's big. That's really very big. That's good. So I can stand by that, but what was the mechanism? The more we investigated some people, it appears. Benefit from surgery because it's forced rest. Let me give you a scenario. Can you imagine the person who every day they're committed to their exercise program.

[00:31:52] They go to the gym, they ride the elliptical for 20 minutes or the exercise bike or whatever. And they say, this is my stress release. It's what I have to do. [00:32:00] They are. In other words, an exercise addict. And I can say to them, well, here's some other active. Oh no, no. I have to do that. Otherwise I'll murder my kids or something like that because of the stress.

[00:32:12] So I'll say, look, okay, go and have the surgery, but it's going to work because it's for stressed. Let me give you another way to address this. Chapter five. I believe it is, is on virtual surgery. You are going to have virtual surgery. I like it. A rare, you just had it. So now what that means is. Tomorrow, you're not going to ride the elliptical at the gym, because if you had the operation, you would, we're going to treat you like a post-surgical patient, and we're going to rebuild your athleticism and your abilities progressively starting at a very low level and building you through and allowing biology to create the adaptations for robustness in your body.

[00:32:57] Carmel, that will work 95. [00:33:00] The percent of the  absolutely necessary for some people. But we then give the algorithm to guide the person is the risk of surgery. It's a real risk that some of the worst patients I have are the post-surgical failures, where surgery didn't work out for them. And now the scar tissue has grabbed hold of a nerve or something like that.

[00:33:24] It's not a good place to be. Um, but in any case, it, uh, reduces all of that, uh, risk by going through these questions. Can the surgeon prove to you, you that their ninth is going to cut out? The thing that is causing the pain? If the surgeon can't do that for you, it's not, it's not a risk worth taking. So there would be the beginning of the discussion that we guide people through with the surgeon to make sure that they have the best possible risk in their favor.

[00:33:58] We have a question from a [00:34:00] long time listener of the show, Regal Vargas. And I already know the answer because you're going to say, well, it depends. He said, this is great stuff. I've had back pain. I'm sorry. I put it up there. He said, this is great stuff. I've had back pain for years and do yoga stretches to cope.

[00:34:17] Are there any stretches? Dr. McGill thinks one should avoid, I guess you have to assess what the problem is before you answer that question. Very much. So exactly. So once we figure out what the mechanism of the pain is, we will determine what stretches are beneficial and what are. Uh, Contra indicated, for example, I gave you the example of the psoas stretch would be a really beneficial stretch.

[00:34:41] Now there are certain yoga poses. That are very close to what I just showed you. Right. So, you know, I'm, I wouldn't say do yoga. I would say choose the right component of yoga that matches your particular situation. Um, another stretch might be every [00:35:00] morning. The therapist told me to pull my knees to my chest.

[00:35:03] Well, If this is your particular pain trigger. So I'm going to try and align. There is a spine segment. You look down into the vertebra and you see that the middle of the disc is filled with a gel that is considered a incompressible hydraulic fluid like oil. Okay. Now, if you keep, uh, bending back and forth, The disc is not a ball and socket joint.

[00:35:29] It's actually an adaptable fabric. And if I wanted to work a hole in my shirt, I would create stress, strain, reversals, back and forth, and slowly the fibers would the laminate. Some people unbeknownst to them do this, uh, through certain movement behaviors to their discs. And then they get a disc bolt. So you can see now that little red Mark, right at the end of my finger right now, watch I'm going to bend forward and squeeze at the same time.

[00:36:00] [00:36:00] Do you see the Oh, the openings? Yeah. Yeah. We just coming up there as a disc bulge. Now I'm going to instead stack the person nice and tall and they're going to squeeze and you'll see the whole disc squeezes. But nothing comes out of that. Delaminating. The weight is evenly displaced. Yeah. So to manage the hydraulics, right.

[00:36:25] Now, now, you know the answer. If you pull your knees to your chest, I just mimicked that particular pain mechanism. So we need to know something about the pain mechanism to determine what would be a good stretch or a stretch that is. But here's the curious thing about stretching Carl. The body has stretch receptors.

[00:36:51] So if you can fire a stretch receptor and you create a stretch reflex, it's analgesic and it's analgesic for about [00:37:00] 20 minutes. So some people they'll do the yoga and they'll say, Oh, you know, I feel great. Uh, but wait a second. You have to do the stretch again and another hour. So all you did was play with the neurologic analgesia, the pain killing effect, uh, but what you did by pulling your knees to your chest, you caused more softness so that the dilemma nation will occur even earlier next time.

[00:37:25] So recognizing that we would give them a default strategy every time you feel as though you want to pull your knees to your chest, try and resist lay on the floor. And just breathe. Allow your low back to relax, relax, and fall into, let all the pelvic gripping, let all stress in your back dissipate with each breath.

[00:37:48] And, uh, then after about a week week, the person says, you know, for the first time, my back pain is starting to wind down for daily activity. So once again, it all depends on [00:38:00] what the person's particular. Uh, mechanism is so, um, those of us who have moved wrong for decades and then, uh, chosen strength, sports, and loaded our spines with heavy weight.

[00:38:13] And continue to move incorrectly with that heavy weight. Uh, many of us have been told that we have compression, uh, L four L five S one is a very, very popular diagnosis. Oh, you've got, I've been told I have bad compression. I also have an interesting anomaly, uh, that I was born with the, the, the, one of the last vertebraes in my spine, instead of it being nice and flat on top and bottom it's triangular shaped, which, um, I've told a certain percentage of the population actually have this.

[00:38:45] So, so it, one side wants to slide down and obviously I probably walk and do things to compensate for that anomaly. But with that, with, with that, not playing a role in this, I've been told that I have a compression in the [00:39:00] discs in my spine. And when you get this compression, a couple of things are told to me, number one, the, uh, Aqueous fluid that is inside the disc is somehow has left the disc.

[00:39:13] I don't understand how, if it's a vascular and I don't have a tear where it could've leaked out, uh, and that is allowed the disc to kind of stretch outward, but also inward into the channel where the nerves are. And so. I become fascinated with decompression. I, well, okay. If I have compressed vertebrae because I want to decompress them and I am a big fan of inversion and I can hang completely upside down indefinitely now.

[00:39:44] And when I first do it, I feel the pain. But then what I do is I milked by hips, the way you described, uh, tilting the pelvis forward, and then tilting it backwards. I do that while my, my [00:40:00] spine is being stretched and the pain goes away immediately. And I, and I actually move more freely after getting off of the.

[00:40:08] Uh, inversion table, but I was told by a chiropractor that this is actually a very bad idea that I could actually be doing more damage, uh, to, to the injured, the injured area, for lack of better terms, the engine area. So I'm curious. Decompression. Is it a wise thing? Is it a good thing? Number one, number two.

[00:40:29] What's the difference between me hanging and I am I relax my abdomen. I relax. I can feel things popping. I have become good at this because one doctor said, well, you're just a. Your muscles is going to spasm and keep you from no, no. I focus on letting my abdomen feel stretched. I feel that stretch. I feel my spine responding, but he wants to put me on a decompression machine.

[00:40:54] That's going to pull and relax and pull and relax and effectively do something similar. [00:41:00] So the question is fold. Is decompression wise for someone who has compressed a disc. Let's just take one question. Let's start with that goal now. Okay. He's decompression a wise thing to pursue. If you've been told you have compression in your spine.

[00:41:17] Right. The answer is yes and no. Again, there's subcategories. So you and I am looking at the color of your hair. It's very admirable. I think we're of the same vintage. So what I mean by that is if you are younger, that chance that decompression is going to cure your back pain by addressing the cause is very, very slim.

[00:41:41] There's a greater chance of it making things worse, however, you and I are of the same, uh, era and. That is the one group as a population that will do better with, uh, inversion, as long as you don't cause a stroke or [00:42:00] something with the blood pressure in your eyes or whatnot. I've got some better suggestions, I think.

[00:42:05] But nonetheless, let, let me show some of the mechanics of this. So here is a normal disc. The bottom one is normal, but this one has been compressed and it's lost a little bit of the fluid gel. Can you imagine letting a little bit of air out of your car tire, the tire then bulges on the road. It's lost its turgor and it's a bit sloppy.

[00:42:30] So the body and the joints use stiffness. To guide movement. That's the variable. That's exactly. The muscle is actually splinting. Isn't it? It's trying to splint the spine. Isn't it? It is. But let's leave muscle out of this for just a moment. So here is the disc that's lost its stiffness, the damaged one.

[00:42:49] That's been compressed. Now I'm going to twist that from the top. Watch. What happens? Do you see how the majority of the movement occurs if the Joyce that [00:43:00] lost that stiffness? Yeah. So now let me ask you, do you think calling that in traction to add even more laxity is the way to go on that? The answer, of course not.

[00:43:11] It's the polar opposite, right? So in young people, when they get, uh, damage to the disks, They become lax. You do not want more laxity of being stretched, right? That's the polar opposite. But when. But you get to our age, the discs become quite gristly. They lose the gel. It becomes a little bit less water content and more dry too.

[00:43:34] And it naturally stiffens. But then what happens is stenosis takes place are the holes where these nerve roots come out, right? They start to collapse down a little bit, a little bit. So when you pull them apart, Uh, you can get a relief. And for, as I said, older people that, but here here's the rub. If you go on a [00:44:00] machine, the machine has no intelligence, but if you can coach that person simply lay on the table.

[00:44:07] Now there's a lot of nuances to this. Don't hold the head up, surrender the head, turn the head slightly and just allow the eyebrow. To, to lay on the table, breathe in. And as you exhale image your low back relaxing image, the pelvis relaxing, do that for a few breaths. And you will find out whether that takes you to a very pain-free state or it might make the pain worse.

[00:44:33] If it makes the pain worse, put your hands under the two. Hip bones while you're laying there and see if that, uh, romances the pain now just a little bit more. So some people truly will do a little bit better by having a colleague come and pull on the legs, try five pounds per leg, 10 pounds per leg. And even the [00:45:00] curvature of the spine is nuanced to make it just right.

[00:45:03] So do you see why a good. Coached clinician or a person is much better than a machine on this, that, that doesn't recognize your size, your. Uh, and anything more about you. So there's sort of the ying and yang of the, uh, the argument. You actually feel the curvature come back into my spine when I hang it, like I can actually feel the lumbar region of my, my butt actually just presses up against the, the inversion table so much harder because it's almost like I'm flat all the time.

[00:45:40] It does. We missed. Sure this Carl, I'm not talking through my hat on this. We measured. The length of the spine before and after getting on a decompression table. And you can imagine you suck up fluid into the disc. So, you know, you're a little taller when you wake up in the morning than when you [00:46:00] got out of, when you got out of bed, versus when you went to bed at night, it's a lot more difficult to put your socks on because the discs are more full first thing in the morning.

[00:46:09] But as you stretch the spine, you actually can measure. And with about 15 minutes of decompression, on average, you will add half an inch to your height. I don't know if you do that. So you suck fluid into the discs. You see, if I add more length here, it adds more lordosis and restores that. So you're exactly correct.

[00:46:30] In your perception. I want to plug the book again. We're going to take a break so you can free yourself. Of back pain by using this book as a guide, if you go to SHR network.biz/fix back pain, we brought right to Dr. McGill's website where you can buy this book in 20 different languages, uh, because, uh, everybody around the globe suffers from bad pain from time to time.

[00:46:57] And this is a way to handle that. [00:47:00] Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of Superman radio at the top of the hour. We're going to talk about some exciting new. Uh, let's say unique supplements, uh, that have not been available before. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Spit that out right now. This is the superhuman channel.

[00:47:23] well, if I open my microphone, welcome back to superhuman radio. We'll talk with Dr. Stuart, Miguel, about ridding yourself of back pain. We have a couple of questions that we need to hit, and then I have. Some of my own questions. Um, Rigo Vargas wants to know is 50 years old, too young to get relief or benefits.

[00:47:42] Let's say from inversion table, an assessment will reveal the answer. Uh, the, the, the concept of an age, like 50. Uh, really isn't applicable because I will assess a 30 [00:48:00] year olds. So chronologically they're 30, but they have a 50 year old biological spine. Conversely, I will see a 70 year old chronological person and they have a 30 year old biological spine.

[00:48:15] So do you see the conundrum here? Yeah, samurai Jack, uh, is basically, uh, uh, Commending you, he says Dr. Stuart McGill and the big three. What are the big three? What does he mean about, well, uh, in back mechanic, once we've determined the cause, and then we've cooled it down. We live in a linkage. This is a fact.

[00:48:39] So our skeleton is a linkage. The law of a linkage is you must establish proximal stability. So just consider a backhoe, which digs holes in the earth. The operator puts the stabilizers, lifts the back tires off the ground, which allows the machine to pull her through the arm. [00:49:00] Now consider yourself if I'm going to push a door.

[00:49:04] If I use my bench, press muscle, I flex my arm and pushed the door, but it also pushes me away. It collapses my rib cage, but as soon as I create proximal stability, I unleashed this whole mobility. Now the big three for most people, we, we searched for years. What are the very best ways in a spine friendly way to ensure proximal stability, to be the foundation of moving the linkage.

[00:49:33] The big three, the bird dog, uh, which is on all fours. Yeah. Extending the knee, uh, leg and the opposite of, um, a side plank for the sides and the modified curl up. Do not flatten the back to the floor. Put one hand under the low back, for example, or possibly two, but the variations are shown in back mechanic and we proved that they were the [00:50:00] very best way.

[00:50:01] To establish proximal stability and then some other things came out of it that we never expected. For example, we might have a mixed martial artist in the UFC or an NFL running back who says. I can run a little bit faster. I can cut a little bit harder, uh, after doing the big three. And we wondered why that was so you can imagine they run a plant, the left foot and they cut and go.

[00:50:30] If they don't have a stiff. Proximal core when they run and cut and fire. Th th th th the spine would bend and they'd lose scrum. I need to cut. So the muscles are bending the spine rather than propelling them in the direction that they wanted to go. So doing the big three, some people will say, I feel resilient for an hour or so after doing them.

[00:50:55] Because the brain holds on to the stiffness that it produces [00:51:00] or the proximal stability that it produces. And they'll say, yeah, I get relief from my pain for the next hour or so. And then we'll say, all right, the prescription just changed. Do a few of the big three mid morning and do it again in the afternoon as well.

[00:51:18] We are putting the program together with stopping the cause. Building the athletic foundation, but even that has subcategories as you're starting to see. So those are the big three exercises. And you can imagine, well, someone will say, well, I've just had knee replacement or hip replacement. I can't get down on my hands.

[00:51:36] Nice, fabulous. Stand at the kitchen table. And now you can do a bird dog standing at the table. So it gives many different. Options to, we call them hacks to movement, hack your way around and figure out. How you can adapt your body, given the variety of limitations that you might have exa [00:52:00] comment and question fits nicely into this discussion.

[00:52:03] Tommy D says that he's been blessed over the years with minimal back pain a few times a week for about 10 years now, he employs some sort of bridge seated, standing and wall walking. Alternate alternating with L sits. Your opinion on these preventative and restorative movements? Uh, unfortunately, uh, look, I'm not avoiding the question, Tommy.

[00:52:28] If I saw you, I could answer your question because, uh, I'd have a context. You know, these are exercises and they may help you, or they may do the opposite. They might cause your trouble. But the point is you've been doing well for the last 10 years. And it sounds to me, so you've got it dialed in. So that in of itself is evidence that you're doing well.

[00:52:50] So I have two, two final questions. Uh, I learned about planking and walking and how restorative it is to the lumbar spine. And last time you were on the show many years ago, I [00:53:00] told the story about how I, uh, compressed my lumbar spine, doing seated shrugs with a lot of weight. Which gave me drop foot. I had a right foot that I couldn't control.

[00:53:12] However at the time that this happened, that was in the midst of a divorce. And the judge ordered me to give my ex-wife my car, which meant that I was relegated to walking everywhere in Arizona, to, and from the gym to, and from the office everywhere I walked everywhere. And lo and behold. My drop foot went away.

[00:53:34] And then years later I had you on the show. And you talked about the value of both clanking and walking when it comes to the lumbar spine. Recover that for the audience, please. All right. Uh, this is a huge problem in American society in general, because of the, every year there's less walking in life. And this has been put on.

[00:54:00] [00:54:00] An acceleration because of COVID and people sitting even more, we measured, uh, one of the world's strongest men and the fellow who won the super yoke in these strong man competitions. They get under the bar and they see how long they can, uh, walk forward. What we learned. There was something absolutely magical.

[00:54:22] Can you imagine when I stand on one leg to allow stance. On this leg and swing on the other. If I don't have a spiff core, my spine then, well, you know what? We learned that walking challenges the opposite side. So I stand on my left leg, my right quadratus. Lumborum my right obliques. We're just required to hold my pelvic platform up.

[00:54:53] That athleticism is being lost by so many people, the very best exercise for [00:55:00] it is walking. Believe it or not. And then for people who want more athletic development, they could do things like. Uh, farmers, farmers walks, right. Uh, suitcase carries, uh, and that kind of thing, but there's so much more to this story, Carl, that little disc bolt that I mentioned earlier, when you look at the pathway through the delaminating college and you see where all the blood vessels have grown and whatnot, that acts as a Fisher for the hydraulic, uh, fluid to, to go through.

[00:55:36] Walking and gentle motion of the spine. Vacuums that back in is when we found. So it's rather magical. And in back mechanic, we have a whole chapter on walking and why some people, if you're living in Arizona, I would suggest for that particular pain mechanism, put a small backpack on your back. [00:56:00] Only 10 pounds and put it low in your back and then go for a walk on those slow undulations through the desert, on the golf course in Arizona, the very best therapy to start vacuuming in, uh, and stabilizing the, uh, the disk boat, coupled with the challenge to quadratus lumborum and that kind of thing.

[00:56:24] And, and, you know, people think well is, is, is the core very important? Hm. Quadratus lumborum, it's a muscle that runs either side of the spine, connecting these transverse processes, go find a neurology ward where there's a child there who has a paralyzed quadratus. Lumborum let me show you what they walk like.

[00:56:47] As soon as I have a paralyzed, right? Quadrates they can stand on their right leg and swing their left. And as soon as they transfer their weight to their left leg, they collapse. So [00:57:00] that shows you the absolute importance of the muscle of quadratus lumborum because without it, you can't even walk, but it's walking that conditions and it is such an important muscle.

[00:57:11] For stabilizing the spine, unleashing this, the laugh, let us CISM in an efficient pain-free way, et cetera. So, uh, my suggestion and this goes pan. Humans. Every human should be walking several times throughout the day. And the best place to start is every time you eat, go for a 15 minute walk, upright, swinging the arms about the shoulders, storing and recovering elastic energy zone.

[00:57:41] There's a whole different science set on that that we can discuss. If you wish. But, uh, I put together a fair amount of science in that book, on the nature's back bomb as we called it, uh, walking interval walking. And the last question, uh, and w we're going to have you back on because [00:58:00] there's a lot more to discuss, but the last question I have for you is.

[00:58:03] Ergonomic seats. Right. I sit in this chair for a couple hours a day. Any value to these chairs where you, there is no back, you're kind of leaning forward and your, your butt is on an angle and you're, you're kind of leaning on your shins or any of those ergonomic chairs. Should they, should we look at investing in those, if we have back problems?

[00:58:23] I think you're describing, what's known as the balance chairs in a seated perch and then your knees go underneath. Yeah. Yeah. We actually did a study on those probably 20 or 25 years ago. Now, if you wore a skirt, you wouldn't find that. Right. Right. Anyway. Um, here's the thing, Carl, in some people, it remember that test that we started out the show with where you sit on the chair and if you're an upright, there's no pain.

[00:58:52] And you slept there is that, uh, balanced chair was designed to get you to sit [00:59:00] upright. So just lean back now I see you. So play along with me, stack your ears over your shoulders, become a bit chest proud, a little bit of a peacock and just hover there. Now try and do that with no muscle. Um, you will find that you won't be able to do it with no muscle for very long, but if that's therapy, so be it.

[00:59:20] But it will only be therapy for about 20 minutes and then you're going to have to change possession. So, uh, that particular style of chair over time will actually cause you to use more muscle. And if you slouch, you migrate. Uh, boatload away from muscle, but onto the passive tissues onto the ligaments to non, to the disc, et cetera.

[00:59:43] And the key for many people is to migrate the stress from tissue to tissue so that no single one becomes painful and overloaded. So ergonomics, it might be somewhat mythical to think that there's a perfect position. [01:00:00] That chair will keep me in this perfect position. When in fact the most ergonomic sound approach is to keep changing postures, migrate the load.

[01:00:10] So I'm going to find finalize that with a, with a final analogy that everyone will get let's think of laying in bed. That's not very stressful, is it? But if you kept laying in bed in the same position, you would become uncomfortable until you migrated stress into another position. But let's say you, you, you go into discomfort that discomfort.

[01:00:32] If you do not move well, then go to pain. And if you ignore the pain and you still stay in that position, you will cause damage. You will get bedsores. Over the pressure points. So that's, that's the thing, discomfort, pain, damage sitting. Anything else can achieve the stint. So even in laying in bed can create that pathway.

[01:00:56] So to cam that's sitting too long and then [01:01:00] a single position. The web URL to get the book back mechanic is SHR network.biz/fix back pain. Everybody should have this because here's another thing. Start to learn the right way to move. Before you develop back pain. How about that one? That's peep. That's something people don't do.

[01:01:20] People always complain. Oh, um, there's no money in preventative medicine, but when it comes to the opportunity to learn how to prevent their own, uh, injuries in the future, they don't invest in preventative medicine anyway. So here's an idea, even if you don't have back pain, get the book. So you don't, you don't have to deal with back pain someday.

[01:01:40] SHR network.biz/fix back pain. We'll have Dr. McGill. Uh, back on the show, but make 20, 21 the year to stop living with back pain. Thanks for being here today. Dr. McGill, yeah. Wishes to all. And I know the world is suffering right now and in particular in the [01:02:00] U S but to all my American brothers and sisters, here's a little love from Canada.

[01:02:05] It's very nice. And we'll have you back. Take care. Now, have a happy holidays to you so long. All right, we're going to take one quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to talk about. Going beyond the scope of nutritional supplements. Very, very exciting for those of you who geek out on this type of stuff like I do with Michael Scanlon.

[01:02:26] So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of super human radio. Let me get my buttons in. Stop pressing things here. Here we go.

[01:02:41] welcome back to superhuman radio. We're joined by Michael Scanlon. How you doing Michael? I'm good. Thanks for having me on pleasure, pleasure. And so you, you and I have worked together for quite a long time. You're more of a behind the scenes kind of guy. Uh, and you work with tailor made health, which is a division of tailor-made [01:03:00] compounding pharmacy.

[01:03:01] And, uh, you guys are, have long. Been on the cutting edge of products that go far beyond what is available in your average GNC. And now you are like flipping the script again. Uh, so let, let's talk a little bit, let let's clear up some confusion. First of all, um, my audience has known about your products because they were marketed under the doctor seeds brand, correct?

[01:03:28] Correct. Yeah. So really all that's changed is the name on the label, right? Yeah. So for things like BPC tablets, um, the chill pill, um, at the catechin, it's all the same products now under the tailor-made health umbrella, um, Yeah. So it used to be on the Dr. Seeds label and now it's, um, changed over to tiller mid Hill.

[01:03:49] Right? Okay. So this is still the same, uh, products that people have used and had success with and trusted. And the only change is the name, but the reality is [01:04:00] that you have always been a sponsor of this show. You would just promoting a different label on the bottle. Everything else is the same. I just want to clear that up for a lot of people out there.

[01:04:09] Um, so we know about the chill pill. It's uh, uh, uh, DHB, uh, uh, uh, dihydro honokiol. It is, uh, has profound effects. We have, um, A guy in my audience named Dylan who actually did a commercial for us, who, uh, has been on benzodiazepine since he was like nine years old. And he got himself off benzos using the chill pill.

[01:04:32] It's an amazing product for anxiety. What else? Because it helps people sleep. Talk about that real fast. Yeah. So DHB eight, it seems like, like anyone with dealing with any form of anxiety, any form of daily stress, um, taking it, it reacts pretty quickly. You probably 10 to 15 minutes and it lasts for up to four hours.

[01:04:51] Um, So, what we've seen is a lot of doctors have been using it on patients, helping them get to sleep at night, helping them deal with daily stress. Um, [01:05:00] I take it sometimes if works, you know, getting a little intense on a given day. Um, but yeah, it's, it's really just an all around help, um, for anxiety and stress relief.

[01:05:08] And then a lot of the times that does inhibit people's ability to sleep. Um, and so we know for a fact it's something that people use a lot now, um, to help get a good night's sleep. Let me, let me, uh, uh, propose a different use for the chill pill. As men age, we know that erectile dysfunction becomes a problem.

[01:05:26] Now there's lots of reasons for rectal dysfunction. The most common reason that's being identified today is changing the vasculature of the penis. However, There's another reason as we get older, we seem to respond to stress differently. Performance anxiety can fill our heads. I had a conversation with a friend of mine.

[01:05:47] Who's convinced that the only reason why to Dalla Phil works for him is because it makes him feel like it's going to work for him. And that he's convinced that really, if he didn't [01:06:00] have that level of concern, because he's getting older, that he's going to run into performance problems, then he wouldn't have performance anxiety.

[01:06:08] I would propose that the chill pill could be an alternative to PDE five inhibitors for guys who know, you know, uh, let me back up. Nocturnal to MES and erections. We've done shows about it years and years ago. It's when the body repairs, the penis, you get erections in the middle of the night. If you have true erectile dysfunction, you don't get those erections in the middle of the night because the penis as an organ, isn't working properly.

[01:06:39] So if you're a guy who. Wakes up in the middle of the night with these erections that you want to wake your partner up and be proud of, like, look, see, look at this, I'm telling you, but then when it comes time to actually make love to your partner, you seem to have problems. I would propose that they should try the chill pill before, uh, before [01:07:00] intercourse.

[01:07:00] What do you think about that? Yeah. You know, I believe any psychological effects, um, that might be stopping you from having that intimacy are things that are like, you know, holding you up, um, in moments like that, I think it would definitely help. I mean, obviously there's differences between different types of erectile dysfunction, but if it is purely psychological, I think this would definitely be something.

[01:07:20] There you go. Yeah, absolutely. There you go. So now let's talk about a couple other big, uh, uh, uh, products that people have known about, and that is, uh, the. Uh, BPC oral. In fact, um, I have heard, and I don't know that this is accurate, that BPC is going to be targeted. Injectable BPC is going to be targeted by the FDA very shortly.

[01:07:41] So even doctors who are successful at prescribing injectable BPC may be challenged in getting prescriptions filled for their patients. And BPC oral may be the only alternative. Have you heard anything about that? I've I've throughout the years, I've heard a lot of scrutiny about different injections from, you know, [01:08:00] varying across, you know, the entire scope of what a tailor-made compounding, for example, used to be able to sell.

[01:08:05] Um, but I know that, um, yeah, th for a couple of months there's been, um, articles shared. About injectable DPC that, um, has come across. Yeah. So it does sound like that's something that's maybe in the, maybe in the future, those of you who are using injectable BPC may not have any other alternative, but to use an oral BPC.

[01:08:24] So talk about the BPC oral. It's not really called BPC. It's called body protection complex. And to my understanding, it is a protein that once in the stomach gets cleaved into BPC, is that an accurate, uh, assessment of how it works? Yeah. So the BPC complex tablets that were on the Dr. Seeds line of products that are now on tailor made health.

[01:08:47] Um, so those are the larger protein from which BPC is derived. Um, so as you're digesting, then yes, it will, it will produce the same effect as if you were, um, getting that injection. You think that you [01:09:00] need a larger dose. I've heard rumors that one milligram is the magic, uh, in orally administered, uh, BPC, any, any truth to that?

[01:09:11] I'm, I'm not the predominant expert on that. I do know that we provided two different doses, just so people did have options. And a lot of the time, um, we saw people opting for what was the one milligram dose. Um, but we all, we did offer the difference, uh, different doses just for that reason. Cause some people are gonna need less than others.

[01:09:28] So yeah, there's better responders obviously. Um, what about epi Khattak kitchen? This is new. This is something completely new, right? Yeah. So  has been all on, um, the duck sheets, I think since may a may and had great success report. And I think, I think, yeah, so it, it helps build muscle mass and the way it does that is drugs from green tea, the efficacy that we use and what it does is it helps, um, [01:10:00] build muscle mass by basically stopping your body's production of myostatin.

[01:10:02] When you work out myostatin. Um, stops muscle growth. Right? So what this product does is it stops the production of that myostatin. Um, and this was based off of a couple of research articles that we'd seen. Um, so we knew that it would have a good, um, you know, good overall outcome for people that were taking it, but it would also pair well with BPC, which is why we considered it so strongly to be part of this lineup.

[01:10:24] How, how large of a dose, obviously it's standard that what you're providing is a standardized dose of epi catechin. What, what, what, how much of a dose is the effect of a dose? My understanding is up to 500 milligrams. Um, currently our dosing is at 50, but we're going to be upping that pretty soon. Um, we've seen some information that leads us to believe that you would want at least 200 plus, um, in a dose.

[01:10:49] So we made the move on and on our labels in the coming year, we're going to be upping our dose to closer to 500 milligrams. Excellent. Okay. Excellent. Um, and now there's some really exciting [01:11:00] cosmetic products that you're offering too. Let's talk about, first of all, the, the roll-on Botox alternative, which by the way, all the girls in the company want, just so you know, so we're going to be asking you for some product very shortly for Christmas.

[01:11:13] Um, talk about that. What does it do? How does it work? Yeah. So the JFK trio product that we launched, um, what it does is it helps reduce the depth of wrinkles on your face and the combination of the three products between JFK Argireline and Luke Faisal, um, helps reduce the depth of wrinkles by 30% over.

[01:11:31] I believe it's either seven days or a month's time. I can't remember off the top of my head, but seven days is fast. Yeah. It'll help reduce depth. Um, Very very quickly. And, uh, have you used this with anyone in the office? Have you experienced or seen the results of using this product? I haven't seen anyone in the office take it.

[01:11:52] I do know that, um, we're getting really good responses from physicians that are using it. Um, we, we do also program until the mid health and we have a lot of physicians [01:12:00] buying in a dozen at a time or more. Um, and the results have been, you know, Pretty incredible to the point where we're like, we're seeing physicians that'll buy 12.

[01:12:08] The next time they come through, they're buying 24 or 50, that kind of thing, because they're trying to get it out to as many people as they can. And everyone, everyone that's selling it at their clinics seems to be like, yeah, every single person is, you know, loving this. And, um, I'm just excited to see what the results are like.

[01:12:23] Cause obviously, I mean, that's a very. Um, in demand type products, how has it applied? It looks like a roll-on, is it, is it the, the measured, uh, uh, cap where you click it and comes out the top and then you just rub it, apply it to the areas you want. The 30, no container it's called the topic. Lick is the brand that we use.

[01:12:42] Um, so four clicks has one mill you can use up to up to four clicks at a time and you just apply it as needed. So you might use, you know, a quarter mill every single time you're dosing it out. Um, you might use one mil just depends on. On the person, but, um, yeah, last around 30 days, maybe more if you're using a little bit less.

[01:12:58] Um, so [01:13:00] yeah. Yeah, that's, that's a really exciting and like, as soon as you say, you know, this is a Botox, alternative, women are like, I want that. I want to try that because obviously Botox, um, For a lot of people it's scary, you know, having botulism injected into your face. And obviously it's designed to stay put, but there have been people who've had reactions with it.

[01:13:21] And the idea that you could administer it yourself, uh, in, in the comfort of your own bathroom mirror in front of your bathroom mirror, um, is, is really, really exciting. Um, what other new products don't you have a new hair, regrowth product also. We do. Yeah, so we, we have a couple of different products, um, that are in development or have just been released recently.

[01:13:42] So the other product that we have is called duo and it's, um, a zinc formula and formula that helps with damaged hair. So you, you apply it to the hair follicles that are damaged and will help regrow. And then, um, we have a product called PTD DBM, which is just a hair growth product. Um, so it's, it's a dropper and you apply it in the [01:14:00] area that needs, uh, The treatment.

[01:14:02] So, uh, how effective, cause you know, Harry growth is a big thing. Uh, guys always asking about, you know, you're too young to know about this, but once the, you know, the, the hair restock receding, it's like, Oh man, what can I do for that? And most people don't want to go to Bosley or have plugs put in. So they're looking for something that doesn't require any real invasive treatment of the scalp.

[01:14:22] Um, how effective are these and which one is more effective than the other, for someone who is, you know, it sounds like damaged hair. Is the early signs, but once you've lost the hair and the follicle has gone into it's a hibernation phase, if you will, for lack of better terms, which one would be more effective for a guy like me.

[01:14:40] If I wanted to see if I could fill that back in.

[01:14:46] Sure I can speak to, which would be more effective given, you know, each situation. But I know that the results that I've seen on the duo product, so there's the commun product for hair repair of damaged here has been a little bit more noticeable than, than PTD. Uh, but I know that a [01:15:00] lot of people are excited about obviously the potential of hair regrowth.

[01:15:03] Um, so PTD is. Gaining some traction. So, uh, clarify what is damaged hair? When we start seeing hair getting brittle and breaking, we have a lot of women who have thinning hair, would that, uh, the formula, a product be for that? Yeah. Fertile and thinning hair is pretty much, um, the two, the two main symptoms that you would be seeing that would make you compelled to want to try that, do a product.

[01:15:25] How long does it take for that's a big one with women as they age a hair gets thin and thought to become brittle and break. How long before they start to see. The hair growth change, uh, using that product. It's going to be case by case, but if it's thinning here or brittle hair, um, so we would recommend that you do a daily, um, and then the dropper would last around 30 days.

[01:15:45] Um, and around the three, four week Mark is when you should start being able to see like, you know, visibly. Um, you know, a big change. Uh, I want to put this up real quick while we're talking about, if you go to SHR network.biz/try 20, [01:16:00] try to zero. And I think that has to be in caps and use the code. Try 20 you'll save 20% of any of the things that we're discussing today.

[01:16:08] So again, that's SHR network.biz/tri 20. Uh, so you can save off of any of the original Dr. Seeds products or any of these new products. Again, the only thing that's changed is the name on the label. Um, so w uh, what other exciting products do you have, uh, coming forth, or can you shed give us a peek behind the curtain, so to speak about what's coming, that'd be, I'd be comfortable to share about one product coming out soon.

[01:16:34] Um, so obviously we were talking about DHB, uh, for its ability to help, not only with stress, but also for sleep. Um, but we are coming out with a dedicated product for sleep. Um, fairly soon it's been in development for a little bit. Um, Justin Kirkland is actually one of the ones that helped formulate it.

[01:16:49] Um, And so, yeah, it's, it's probably coming out in, I'd say late January, early February. And that's exciting. I know he and I have talked about it in the past. Uh, Justin is brilliant. [01:17:00] Uh, Justin Kirkland is a, is a, is a brilliant, brilliant individual who does stuff in his lab that defies scientific logic. Uh, in fact, one of his patents was just purchased recently, but, um, yeah, it's exciting.

[01:17:16] And I'm hopeful because I know a lot of people have trouble sleeping, sleep problems is probably. The top. If not the top complaint that people have today, it's definitely in the top three and it, and it cascades into every other condition, whether you have auto-immune issues or, uh, insulin resistance, or, you know, the myriad, it all starts with that.

[01:17:45] Interrupted sleep that fragmented sleep. You do that for months and months and you just get sicker and sicker. So helping people sleep is really a wonderful thing, a wonderful thing. And I'm excited. I can't wait for that to come out. So this, uh, [01:18:00] these products here are very cutting edge. They're not the kind of product that you're going to find in a GNC or a vitamin shop, but yet they don't have to be prescribed by a physician.

[01:18:09] Correct. Correct? Yes. So we, we manufacture every product is a nonprescription supplement and that's kind of exciting because we've never really seen this level of science and technology go into what would be considered over the counter, uh, uh, uh, products. You guys are really blazing a trail here. Yeah. I mean, I think generally the supplement industry is really geared towards, you know, turning out what's already available and that's just not the direction that we've taken with any of the brands that we, we manage.

[01:18:41] Um, so deal media, the company that started tailoring miHealth, um, we've only ever taken on products that we truly believe, you know, are not available and we're, you know, building our own niche from. Yeah, because you're right. If you look, if you go to, let's say the Olympia or the Arnold, you you'll see dozens and dozens and dozens of companies selling [01:19:00] the same product with different labels.

[01:19:02] And I call it dotting the landscape you walk through. And, you know, every company has their form of creatine. Every company has their EMR, a meal replacement. Every company has their, and it, it really is. Um, it's sad because really at the end of the day, it's about the color of the label and the marketing and.

[01:19:20] Maybe the, uh, the sponsored athlete that has a following, that's promoting his code and, and tailor made health, uh, is actually blazing a new trail completely. And giving people access to, uh, non-prescription products that you would never see this level of science, uh, put into it's really commendable. It really, really is.

[01:19:47] I think we just lost you. No, there you are. Okay. I'm sorry. Uh, so all of the products we've talked about are available right now. People just have to go to SHR [01:20:00] network.biz/try 22 ROI to zero to be taken to a dedicated landing page for my audience. You could use the code, try 20. Try. Two zero to save 20% off any of these products.

[01:20:14] I predict that the, uh, the alternate, the Botox alternative is going to be very, very popular with the women in the audience. So maybe even some of the men, I don't think it's going to do anything for me. Actually. I'm afraid to get rid of these wrinkles because I think Jimmy Hoffa is right in that one right there.

[01:20:29] He's buried in there somewhere. So thanks. Thanks to a high definition TV. I can see all my wrinkles now. Anything else we need to talk about? Uh, anything exciting. In terms of the tailor-made help on it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I think, well, the really exciting part is that we just started our advertising initiative to actually make this a direct to consumer like a true direct to consumer brand.

[01:20:53] Because for the past six months, we've only really been working with physicians in their offices. And so we're, we're really excited to start being [01:21:00] able to, you know, make this not only publicly available to everyone. Um, but to be able to like push the message so that people are becoming aware of. You know, th the solutions that these products provide and that's, uh, that's interesting.

[01:21:12] So do you think that the physicians provide any added service that would still make it wise for someone to buy it through their physician? I mean, these are, these are pretty easy things to take you take pills, you rub cream on. I mean, you really don't need a physician as an intermediary here, right? Well, it's not necessary, which is why we do the direct to consumer advertising that we do, but it is also, um, it was, uh, initially we built this as a great way for physicians to be able to, um, make a little bit of money during COVID because all of these clinics were shut down.

[01:21:46] And, um, obviously we, we still wanted them to have ways to reach their patients and, you know, they, we wanted to make sure that their patients were also being compliant with what physicians wanted them to be taking. So initially that's, um, that was the reason for all of the physician. Um, [01:22:00] Right, right.

[01:22:01] Because these are very simple to use these, these products and you can gauge your own results. You don't need someone to interpret your results. If your wrinkles are going away, uh, in the case of the sleep aid, if you're sleeping better, uh, in the case of, uh, oral BPC, if you're recovering faster, I can't wait to try the epi catechin.

[01:22:18] I mean, that's, you know, um, True. Myostatin inhibition has been the in searched for as a Holy grail for a very, very long time. Um, so if you guys bring that to the table, that's you, uh, do you have wholesale accounts for doctors? We do. Yes. So, so on, on the homepage, there's, um, there's a link up in the top where you can sign up automatically for wholesale and then we do up to half off for based on quantity.

[01:22:45] So, yeah. Yeah. That's excellent. So the doctors who listened to the show and watched the show, um, you can get in on this, you can offer these directly to your patients as well. Uh, thank you for the question, Jason. Um, I guess the next thing to say is to, um, [01:23:00] is to. Patronize the sponsor as all of, you know, this show is possible because of the sponsors and we try to deliver valuable information that is life changing.

[01:23:13] Uh, and the way to repay the show is to patronize the sponsor. So go to the website. Uh, again, it is. SHR network.biz/try 20, use the code, try 20, save 20% off and try some of these products. I want to hear from people too. If you try the product, please email me at, on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., uh, so that we can hear, uh, what you think.

[01:23:41] That's it. Uh, Michael, thank you for both being a sponsor. And, uh, thank you for being here today to talk about this exciting stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for having me on take care. All right. Thanks. All right, we're going to take a break. Uh, I'm off the air tomorrow. We'll be back on the air Monday.

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