[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio at the beginning of 2021. And all of us want to be more motivated moving into 2021. Let's be honest. 2020 kind of sucked really sucked. Um, some of us are starting from scratch, like me starting over. Uh, some of us just want to improve on our game regardless of how you look at it.

[00:00:24] We need to be focused. And we need to be able to move past obstacles, either obstacles that were there before, or the obstacles that we're moving towards. And there's a guy I know who I call the cops back kid for a reason. And, uh, I think, I think that if we could get inside his head and understand how he ticks a little, little bit, uh, many of us could find.

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[00:02:25] So now how are you Dave?

[00:02:27] Dave Pulcinella: [00:02:27] Carl? How you

[00:02:28] Carl Lanore: [00:02:28] make it out, man? It's pretty good, but we're both here. Right? Let last show Dave and I did, by the way, last show that Dave and I did, I'm going to find a way to re air it soon because it's called the six foods that work. If you are. First of all, I was hanging out with Aaron Singerman over new year's Eve.

[00:02:47] Aaron, Aaron, Aaron looks better than I've ever seen him. Look, he's his shoulder, his shoulders, a huge, his arms, a huge his, his, his waist is tapered. Aaron eats every two hours [00:03:00] on clockwork, the same foods. And this is the thing that people don't get. People see guys, like you train in the gym like animals.

[00:03:08] They don't understand that the hard part is eating all day long day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, that's where the hard work is. Right.

[00:03:18] Dave Pulcinella: [00:03:18] And that really is the part that separates those who make the progress that you see getting better and better in the gym or those doing the same thing and looking the same.

[00:03:26] Time after time, it's year after year, which is most people. And then you have that person who can do that. And it's very, very rare. And those are the ones that always look good and are getting better. Right. And guess what, Carl, the six foods that work still work.

[00:03:41] Carl Lanore: [00:03:41] Yeah. Right. They still do. Yeah. And we'll, we'll talk more about that in intermingling to the show and we, and I will rare that show, but I call you the comeback kid.

[00:03:51] Come back, kid, because ever since I've known you. You have dealt with obstacles [00:04:00] like a Sherman tank. You, you it's like you, you, you get knocked down. And there's no doubt in my mind that will, Dave, Dave will be massively strong again. It's just a matter of time. So, right. Where did that come from? Is that something that you learned from your dad?

[00:04:15] I mean, your, your, your, your brother Mike is a successful, uh, videographer. Where did you learn that? Determination, that, and cause I know you don't really, like you even say in one of the raising the bar is that you don't even really like training for hours, hours. Do you?

[00:04:31] Dave Pulcinella: [00:04:31] I never loved training for. The sake of training.

[00:04:36] Most pod girls really loved being in the gym and they love the actual, um, activity that th th th the training itself, they love it. I knew it was a means to an end and a tool to get me to where I wanted to be. And I don't think I learned this anywhere. I think the key, if there is a key card, is that you have to find in your [00:05:00] life the thing.

[00:05:02] That gets you out of bed in the morning. The why behind everything that you do, the thing that burns in you so hot and so brightly that you can't not do it. If you have that thing. And very few people do ever find that thing, unfortunately, but if you have that thing, the things you need to do to get there are automatic.

[00:05:23] You don't need someone to motivate you. You don't need someone lifting you up and blowing air up your ass to do it. You just do it. So my comebacks are always based on the fact that I can't allow this thing not to be in my life anymore. I love it too much. You

[00:05:41] Carl Lanore: [00:05:41] know, it's funny, Aaron, Aaron and I talked about that.

[00:05:44] That's that's exact thing. He said a honeybee doesn't have to wake up in the morning and be motivated to go out and do its job. It goes right. Get him out of the hive. Yeah. Good analogy. So if you don't have that in your life, then maybe job one would be to find that.

[00:06:00] [00:06:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:06:00] If you, yeah, if you find that a lot of answers, a lot of doors open up and all of a sudden you see very clearly what it is you're meant to do.

[00:06:07] And I fortunately saw this at the age of 12, three things actually bodybuilding and I sold music as the two things I wanted to do. I was lucky enough to have two passions, which I really feel blessed to have had.

[00:06:21] Carl Lanore: [00:06:21] So bodybuilding at 12, what does it look like? Where were you? What did you see? What made you go?

[00:06:27] I want to look like

[00:06:30] Dave Pulcinella: [00:06:30] bodybuilding got 12 is a study in frustration because as you know, we do not have the requisite hormones at that age to really make any appreciable changes. So it's kind of beaten the dead horse at that point. But I had the image of like, like so many people have Arnold Swatson acres, physique.

[00:06:49] Right in my head because 1975, the year I was 12 was the year pumping iron came out the movie and I saw that it just lit [00:07:00] up like a neon light. This is what I want to and will do. So, uh, it was very clear to me at that point. And I actually, it's a funny story of my cousin, Steve and I used to work out in my basement.

[00:07:11] So Steve Paulson, Elihu is a powerlifter.

[00:07:14] Carl Lanore: [00:07:14] Now a famous strong man was on my show. He was on my show and he was on my show yet when he was having, uh, problems with girls. We, I had him

[00:07:23] Dave Pulcinella: [00:07:23] on the show. He's another one. Who's had a lot of adverse conditions. Um, but then he and I used to work out in my basement.

[00:07:30] What I had done was. You used to have to wait until pumping iron came on channel 12. And the only way I knew that reading the, the TV TV guide was going to be on and I got my cassette tape recorder and I recorded it on a cassette tape and I would play that cassette tape in my basement, just listening to pump the movie, pumping iron while we worked out.

[00:07:53] And that was so motivating to us just to hear the movie in the background while we were training. That's hilarious,

[00:07:58] Carl Lanore: [00:07:58] but that's something [00:08:00] so, so 12 you get turned on to bodybuilding. Yeah. Um, at what age do you think I want to compete

[00:08:08] Dave Pulcinella: [00:08:08] by 15? I wanted to compete and we made that happen at 15 are usually too young to do anything really on a, on a real estate, but I 14 to 15, I started to get the, you already, I already had.

[00:08:21] A whole posing routine put together based on what I had seen on pumping iron and how those guys posed taking a pit of a corny and a bit of Franco and a bit of honorable to Lou and putting it all together and do note that I already knew how to pose, how to complete posing routine. By the time I was 15.

[00:08:36] So what me and Steve did cause we wanted to compete so bad, but we were so young is we actually held our own show. In his basement, really? And yes, and I believe it was what, 1978, 79, no. 81 was 81 and we called it the Mr. Ridley park, PA contest and [00:09:00] literally six or seven dudes from the neighborhood somewhere wrestlers.

[00:09:03] So were young bodybuilders all around our age, still in high school. Showed up the day of the show and my cousin, Joe, and a couple other guys were there, judges, we had a judging panel and we had a backdrop. We had lighting and we had seven contestants and we had a show that's so free judging. And the night show, the whole thing the whole day was spent in his basement doing this, this competition.

[00:09:26] Steve took second. I can't remember who took third. But that was my first win. Mr.

[00:09:31] Carl Lanore: [00:09:31] Renton. That was it for you, right? Like once you get the,

[00:09:34] Dave Pulcinella: [00:09:34] I loved it. I loved it. I had a routine all made up for that and we had posted the music and everything. Um, so my first real show though, was a couple of years later, not too long after that, the team Delaware County, where I proceeded to take dead lacks,

[00:09:49] Carl Lanore: [00:09:49] really?

[00:09:50] So that had a status thing, right?

[00:09:53] Dave Pulcinella: [00:09:53] Seventh out of seven. I literally had no idea what I was doing. I wore a bathing suit instead of posing trunks. I [00:10:00] didn't tan. I had tan lines, you know, it was on white legs. Um, my posing was good. I knew how to pose. I hadn't dieted. I didn't know anything. So that really taught me what I needed to do to come on stage and look the way, you know, you need to look to do a show.

[00:10:16] The next year I came back and won the show. The teenage Delaware County. Let's

[00:10:20] Carl Lanore: [00:10:20] let, let's fast forward for a second to, uh, a series of documentaries that were made about you and your career as an NPC competitor called raising the bar. Yeah. And your brother, Mike was the videographer, uh, and he followed you through your life for quite several different periods of your life when you were preparing for shows, but there was one.

[00:10:45] I think it was for the very first one. Maybe, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was raising the bar to where you came into the picture seriously at a shape. In fact, I want to just, that was great. Okay. [00:11:00] So, so, so you had, uh, I wanna, I wanna Chronicle your setback. So I want to just put this up here just for a second to show where you started and where you ended up.

[00:11:10] Over what period of time was that, that transformation? What period of, so all

[00:11:14] Dave Pulcinella: [00:11:14] three raising the bar, all three of them Chronicle my comeback and my attempt to finally turn pro. Right. I realized at that point that I only have a set number of years left to do this thing that I love. I was 39 at the time.

[00:11:32] So it Chronicles may from 39 to 42. All three raising the bars are that time period, 39 to 42 in my attempt to turn pro. So he follows me around for my qualifier, which was the Delaware state East coast classic, and then follows me to all the national pro qualifiers. Right. So that was the time period. But yeah, the third installment of that, it opens up [00:12:00] with me reeling from a devastating breakup.

[00:12:04] Being on my own. I had not done anything for six months, no gear, no training, eating,

[00:12:10] Carl Lanore: [00:12:10] whatever I want. What about, do you like alcohol when you're deep in the, in the, in the, uh, in, in the bottom like that, I'm not a drinker, so you don't have that. Yeah, that's fine. I don't have

[00:12:21] Dave Pulcinella: [00:12:21] that. That's not my thing. I don't really struggle with that.

[00:12:23] Staying away from alcohol, but I gotta be honest during my last prep. That's my final prep. I really did want to have a nice glass of champagne, but I couldn't do it. I thought to myself, this is probably been my last year because I'm starting to want things that I never even thought of. Yeah. Yeah. Dang.

[00:12:40] You know, when that starts seeping in, when that stuff starts seeping in and you don't have a complete total 100% clarity of purpose, you know, that maybe things are coming to an end, you know, I wanted to go down. I want to go

[00:12:51] Carl Lanore: [00:12:51] to the beach. She wanted us to do new things. You want to experience new things.

[00:12:54] We, you know, when you, when you, when you're, because you know what people don't [00:13:00] understand about bodybuilding yeah. Is a football player has an off season. Baseball player has an off season. You know, basketball player has an off season. And their off season, they lead normal lives. Right. But a bodybuilder's off season is his building season and it's competitive season.

[00:13:21] Never off bodybuilders are on for 10 years straight. They eat, sleep and drink bodybuilding. They can't, they don't go out data. In fact, that's why. You don't see basketball players, Marion female basketball players, and you don't see football players marrying female football players, but you always see bodybuilders marrying of the bodybuilders.

[00:13:43] Why? Because the life is so frigging strict.

[00:13:47] Dave Pulcinella: [00:13:47] And even then it doesn't work most of the time. It's so me, me, me. Your family ends up presenting you, your significant other resents you people at work resent you [00:14:00] it's just so my OPIC and self-centered, but it has to be there's no other way to get through.

[00:14:05] Think about this for a second. Look, let's step back for a second and let's. Nope, Nope, no crap. Anyone who wants to be excellent. At what they do, not just good or mediocre, but excellent at what they do has to do that. They have to put all other things aside and focus only on that. You want to be the CEO of a big corporation.

[00:14:25] You want to be a star athlete. You want to be a great actor. You don't want to be a great artist, a musician, you have to spend most of your day doing that thing. There's no balance balance or people who are mediocre

[00:14:39] Carl Lanore: [00:14:39] at what they do right now. You're absolutely right. And there's people out there going, no, that's not true, but it is true.

[00:14:45] You have to eat, sleep and drink your goal. And that has to be it. And you know, that's why it can be a half-ass Jack

[00:14:51] Dave Pulcinella: [00:14:51] of all trades. Right. Right. You can be a half-ass Jack of all trades, or you can be really, really superior at that one thing, but you better immerse [00:15:00] yourself in that one thing, right?

[00:15:01] Carl Lanore: [00:15:01] No, you're right.

[00:15:02] So let's talk about the obstacles you face. Let's start from what was the very first big bump in the road for you at what period of your life? Where were you?

[00:15:12] Dave Pulcinella: [00:15:12] Well, it happened within the filming of raising the bar. Luckily enough for my brother. Cause he got some good content for his

[00:15:18] Carl Lanore: [00:15:18] movies. Yeah. Right.

[00:15:19] He, he profited, he prophet, he profited in your pain.

[00:15:24] Dave Pulcinella: [00:15:24] Really? He really did. He was like, Oh man, the things that unfolded in that movie, like you couldn't have scripted that. Right? Like being, like being sent home in raising the bar one after I trained a year for the Delaware state. And they told me they wanted me to leave because I couldn't defend my title because I had won the previous year.

[00:15:42] So I couldn't come back. And I found that out at the show, they tried to send me home. I didn't know that they ended up letting me compete though. But that, that kind of thing, you can't script that no one could have predicted that. Right? So the real setback happened to people like, you know, you never had any [00:16:00] problems.

[00:16:00] You just had a very simple life and you were able to train and focus on your training. But that's not necessarily true of the behind the scenes stuff. I mean, it raises the bar. I believe it was to, um, my live in girlfriend at the time. And what happened was really just, I mean, it was awful the night before the 2006, I F BB North American championships, the night before we had been having problems.

[00:16:26] And she was living in an apartment at the time. And I was living at the housework separating, just trying to get things back to the way they were. Um, but she was supposed to fly with me to Ohio and do the North Americans 2006. The night before we're sitting there, having dinner bags are packed, ready for the flight the next day.

[00:16:48] And she just looks at me and she starts balling her eyes. I'm like, what's wrong. She goes, I can't go with you to this show. [00:17:00] Like, what are you talking about? Because I can't go, it wouldn't be right. I'm like, what do you mean? It wouldn't be right. I had no idea what she was talking about. So she ended up leaving in tears, ran out of the house so that I can't do it.

[00:17:14] You're on your own. And left. I had no idea why at the time I found out later that the reason she felt that it wasn't right. Was because she had started a new relationship and the time that she had been living elsewhere, I didn't know about it. Right. So she basically, the boyfriend couldn't go flying off.

[00:17:34] Carl Lanore: [00:17:34] Right? Yeah. And I, and I could see she was torn. Like she wanted to be, she wants you to read them

[00:17:39] Dave Pulcinella: [00:17:39] for your yeah. I should've seen it coming because she really didn't like the lifestyle. And as far as she was concerned, there was no end in sight. I was going to keep, continue doing this forever. Right, right, right.

[00:17:52] I knew it would only be a couple more years, but she didn't know that anyway. So there I was, no, I don't do airports. I don't do airports. [00:18:00] So I can't go on this flight by myself. So I'm there crying. I don't know what I'm going to do. My show is tomorrow. Right? This actually happened. Rest in peace, Kenny Weiss.

[00:18:11] My friend, Kenny, I called him in tears. He literally, I told him what happened. He literally got in his car. I want you to think about this for a second God, his car, when he found out what was happening in Florida, drove to Delaware, picked up my sorry, crying ass, and then drove from Delaware to Ohio. So I could be at my show.

[00:18:37] My

[00:18:37] Carl Lanore: [00:18:37] friend, Kenny, so you didn't have to get on a plane and he, and he, and he was there emotional support to you able to tell him what, how miserable you were and all that sort of stuff. And,

[00:18:45] Dave Pulcinella: [00:18:45] you know, Kenny was my mentor coming up in bodybuilding. If I did learn anything about the work ethic and everything about bodybuilding that I never knew prior, it was through Kenny Weiss.

[00:18:54] So he was the perfect person to be there for me for that. But for him to drive, you know, essentially, you know, [00:19:00] 16 hours from Florida to Delaware and then another sixth, To, uh, Ohio. And then back again, after the show was that's above and beyond any friend that I heard him doing something for a friend, it's just really transcendent to me, but he saved my ass and I went to that show or what

[00:19:17] Carl Lanore: [00:19:17] you did win.

[00:19:19] So that's gotta be sweet right there. It started out sad, but it ended up sweet. Yeah. Okay.

[00:19:24] Dave Pulcinella: [00:19:24] You have no idea the strength it took to not think about what just happened, what I'm going to deal with. When I go home and to focus on that show, it takes a, it takes a crazy man to do that. It really does. I believe you've got to be somewhat insane, somewhat out of tilter, right?

[00:19:41] To be able to push all that out of you, push all of it out and focus on a bodybuilding contest. Um, and then deal with life afterwards, but that's what I did. Yeah.

[00:19:51] Carl Lanore: [00:19:51] Now you've had some physical problems too, right before shows, right? One of the, in one of the raising the bars, you actually, what, what happened?

[00:20:00] [00:20:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:20:00] So six weeks out of the masters nationals, which I'm convinced that the reason I didn't do so well, uh, I took force at that one, I believe. Um, Six weeks out. I still am walking laundries and I tour hamster, not pooled or restrained, but I literally tore the hamstring to the point where it's like a mid muscle tear.

[00:20:19] Right. Um, the kind of thing where it turns

[00:20:21] Carl Lanore: [00:20:21] like yeah, from my blood pooling. Yeah. Right. All the way

[00:20:25] Dave Pulcinella: [00:20:25] down to the cat. Right. And then there's no range of motion and there's a DEMA six weeks out. I mean, that's really just pulling it really tight. Um, but I recovered from that. I wasn't able to do legs for like three weeks or so.

[00:20:39] Uh, when I finally was able to do legs again, I had three weeks to go. It wasn't that much time. And there were still some bruising and some swelling on stage. So I was one of the things, but I be honest with you. All my, none of my injuries happen prior to 50 years of age, I can honestly say and happily say, That my entire three [00:21:00] decade career was pretty injury free.

[00:21:01] Right. Everything happened literally for my 50th birthday till now. I'm 56 now. Right? Right. So, and I've had five major surgeries in the past three years. So if anything. The greatest comeback I've ever made is happening now because I will get my physique back to a hundred percent. I will do that. So

[00:21:23] Carl Lanore: [00:21:23] still there's still, there's still massive.

[00:21:25] I mean, it's still, you're still carrying a lot of muscle right now, right? I mean, yeah. I've seen pictures of you. You look like you're very muscular still. It's not like as though you fall,

[00:21:33] Dave Pulcinella: [00:21:33] that's only because I have to keep relearning what to do, man. Like my training doesn't even resemble. What it looked like 20 years ago, 15 years ago, even 10 years ago.

[00:21:46] I've completely reinvented how to train so that I can still keep some mass, all Smith machine, all 15 to 20 reps. Huge amounts of warmup, just totally different [00:22:00] slow rep. You finally are, you are forced to do the two second four second thing that they teach you in the textbooks. Now you have to train that way.

[00:22:09] You can't do all this ballistic side reasons. Like you can't do that anymore. Right? So you have to do real slow controlled movements. And I'll be honest with you. That change is actually not a bad thing. I was just going

[00:22:21] Carl Lanore: [00:22:21] to say, if you, if you could, if you could convince younger people to do that before they get injured, they grow faster.

[00:22:29] I mean, I'm in, I'm in the same boat as you right now. I mean, I, and I'm, I'm, I'm flattering myself by saying I'm in the same boat as you, because I'm not carrying the amount of muscle that you carry. I'm not even carrying the amount of muscle I carried two years ago. But right. It's forced me to train differently.

[00:22:45] And I've discovered this, uh, that, that training with several pauses in the eccentric yeah. Several books, you know, like I did pull downs yesterday, so I pulled down to the chest and I hold it [00:23:00] right. And I let it go a little bit and I hold it and I let it, and I do three pauses on the way back up, and then fully tightened your attention.

[00:23:06] Well, you know, you know, you know what I noticed. Every time you put the brakes on, you're forcing fast Twitch muscles to clamp clamp and the science behind. And it's amazing. Like I, and I only do five reps this way. I use the same weight. I'm still using heavy weight that I used to use for 10 to 12 reps, but, you know, ballistically, but I'm controlling the weight so much more.

[00:23:32] I just do five reps, five sets, and I leave the gym with a perpetual pump. Really? I've shared this with other people. There's a guy in Louisiana, Dylan Gautreaux. He started squatting this way. He said, if killed him in the beginning, he says, he's gotten so much stronger than that way. I guess. Yes. He goes down into the hole.

[00:23:51] He goes down in the hole, slow down in the hole, stop down in the hole. Stop. Yeah.

[00:23:55] Dave Pulcinella: [00:23:55] Is there a, is there a name for this type of training?

[00:23:58] Carl Lanore: [00:23:58] I, I called it, uh, [00:24:00] I came up with something pause, repetition or pause eccentric. I just gave him,

[00:24:04] Dave Pulcinella: [00:24:04] uh, the rest of pause. Pause. Isn't that? Nice

[00:24:06] Carl Lanore: [00:24:06] pause. Well, rest, pause. Rest is when you go to failure.

[00:24:10] And then you rest and then you eat got another rep. And now this is, this is different. This is, um, and the problem with this is you got to use the heavy weight, but you only do five reps, three to five reps is all you do. But anyway, I've had to find new ways to train. And I think to myself, man, I wish I would have trained like this back then.

[00:24:28] I would

[00:24:28] Dave Pulcinella: [00:24:28] have made gains in this young person who doesn't hurt yet. To do things to avoid being hurt. Cause you think you're immortal. You just think it's not going to happen. I, you know what, all these years I'm lifting and I'm lifting, I'm doing all these reps and I have a person standing on the stack for the free leg extension.

[00:24:44] I was never once thinking it's just a tendon. That's making all this happen. That's holding everything together. What happens when that thing wears out? Well, I'll tell you what happens when that thing wears out. What happened to me? You get up out of a chair [00:25:00] one day and your entire quad tendon

[00:25:02] Carl Lanore: [00:25:02] rupture and that's.

[00:25:04] And that, that was the thing I saw on Facebook. That was a couple years ago, a year or so ago. When was that? 2016? Yeah. Hold it, hold it. I want to, I want to talk about that on the other side of the break, I want to take a commercial break. Um, also, yeah. You have an Instagram page and I'm asking my audience to please go to Dave's Instagram page and follow him T what's your Instagram.

[00:25:27] Dave Pulcinella: [00:25:27] I'm just starting off with Instagram. I'm late to that party so I can use some followers. It's uh, at Dave Paulson ELA

[00:25:33] Carl Lanore: [00:25:33] at Dave Paulson, L a P U L C I N E L L a. Not I, as it says,

[00:25:39] Dave Pulcinella: [00:25:39] good content on there already. It's just, you know, just getting people

[00:25:42] Carl Lanore: [00:25:42] to, to find this. I know. So there you go. I'm asking you to go follow him.

[00:25:45] We're going to take a quick commercial break, stay tuned. We'll be right back with more super human radio. And we're going to, we're going to go out with this, this video. That's great.

[00:25:58] I remember those days, Dave. [00:26:00] I love this. Look, look, look, Costco,

[00:26:02] Dave Pulcinella: [00:26:02] look, chicken dental. By nearly that much

[00:26:06] Carl Lanore: [00:26:06] now. No, you'll kick. You're not, you're not, you're not trying to be looking at it. Look at it. Oh, don't

[00:26:11] Dave Pulcinella: [00:26:11] do that. No, I don't need to do that. Yeah,

[00:26:13] Carl Lanore: [00:26:13] that's crazy. All right. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more supreme-a radio.

[00:26:21] Welcome back to super Hima radio talking with Dave Paulson, Ella, the comeback kid he's been coming back time and time again. You can't keep Dave down, come back. That's it. We're just going to come back. You leave him alone. So I got to put this up because this is something I was actually thinking. Um, Robert Thompson says would the Bryn Yollie, um, method have prevented those injuries.

[00:26:44] Doug Bernoulli is a great guy. He's coming with his penis against each other. Yeah. So, so, so what do you think, like, I mean, he, you think you could have gotten as massive as you did using this isolation movement approach that Doug bronchiole, uh, promotes. I mean, [00:27:00] first of all, before I say that, what were you, what were you, how, how big were you at your heaviest and your largest?

[00:27:05] Dave Pulcinella: [00:27:05] So, um, on stage

[00:27:07] Carl Lanore: [00:27:07] or both? Both, both off season on season.

[00:27:11] Dave Pulcinella: [00:27:11] So my off season weight, uh, top weight was two 16 at five eight. And on stage I was, the heaviest I ever was, was two 19.

[00:27:20] Carl Lanore: [00:27:20] Okay. Okay. So do you think that you could have put the, the dense muscle on, that you have put on in your career using, uh, Doug's method truthfully?

[00:27:30] You know,

[00:27:30] Dave Pulcinella: [00:27:30] it's, it's, it's impossible to, that's an experiment that can't be done, right. Obviously. Um, I, I just, I feel so strongly about how I trained and how it evolved. And how it came from necessity. I'm not sure if I ever could have achieved what I achieved, if I didn't do the type of controlled cheating, like those roads out as I did.

[00:28:00] [00:28:00] Because if you think about what makes the muscle grow, it's time under tension, right? It's overload. And we'll move on. Let's take my road downs, for example, she's or cheat row, super cheap pulled out that almost looked like a route where you're coming down. Your upper body is like

[00:28:17] Carl Lanore: [00:28:17] going up. Yeah. But there's a value.

[00:28:19] There's a value to that. Your lower back, your

[00:28:21] Dave Pulcinella: [00:28:21] mid back, such a value to it. Yeah. I was using a 300 pound stack. Four sets of 20 and nothing, but my lats would get sore the next day. It wasn't hitting my lower back. It wasn't hitting anything, but the target muscle, because of the cheating was a controlled cheating, designed to put more tension on the muscle.

[00:28:43] You're forced

[00:28:43] Carl Lanore: [00:28:43] to force the muscle to handle more weight than it was. Yeah. It forces the muscle to handle more weight than it's capable. It's almost like.

[00:28:51] Dave Pulcinella: [00:28:51] Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I adapted. Movements in that fashion for almost every movement that I did was kind of, [00:29:00] um, my own style. I kind of made it my own.

[00:29:03] Um, and I don't know that I would have grown to the degree that I did. I don't know if I had checked the two, four count real, super strict.

[00:29:13] Carl Lanore: [00:29:13] Why not? I think I liked it. I liked, I liked, I liked Doug's approach and I'm actually. I'm building a new gym and I'm using some of the movements that he espouses, uh, to determine what equipment I'm buying.

[00:29:29] So I, I like what he talks about, but what he's more focused on is kinesiology the appropriateness of a movement to totally hit the muscle, the way the muscle was designed to move. And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, you can use heavy weight and use. Doug's approach. So I really like what he taught is that what the

[00:29:51] Dave Pulcinella: [00:29:51] muscle perceives though?

[00:29:52] It doesn't matter how much actual, how high the number is on the dumbbell, how much it does, how much resistance does the [00:30:00] muscle proceed? Right. But let me ask, I would ask Doug this, I would say Doug, which would he has, would he have achieved the level of mass that he did? Had he trained the way he does now that

[00:30:12] Carl Lanore: [00:30:12] I didn't know.

[00:30:12] I didn't know. He didn't. I always thought, I always thought he trained this way. I didn't know that. Has he always, I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to have him back on the show. I love the guy. I think he's great. I

[00:30:21] Dave Pulcinella: [00:30:21] was under the impression that that's lately. He trains like that because he's older

[00:30:24] Carl Lanore: [00:30:24] now.

[00:30:25] So here let's get this out of the way too. Do you recommend cardio, uh, prowlers, swimming, uh, stair steppers, anything like that?

[00:30:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:30:35] Do I recommend cardio or those specific

[00:30:36] Carl Lanore: [00:30:36] types of, yeah, no. W let's hit each of those. You you're a fan of cardio. In fact, hold on a second. I think I have a video of you.

[00:30:44] Dave Pulcinella: [00:30:44] There's one type of cardio though.

[00:30:45] I don't like any other cardio other than the station. Like I gotta be honest. You like this? That's all I've ever done. And it works for me. I like it. I hate the StairMaster. I hate the elliptical machine. I hate the treadmill, the Prowler I've never

[00:30:56] Carl Lanore: [00:30:56] done. How about just walking? Are you a walking? You like to [00:31:00] walk?

[00:31:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:31:00] The walking to me, isn't exercise walking is how a human being gets from point a to point B. Right? Walking is something that we just do. It's just moving. I don't believe that that's a form of cardio because it's, it's too mild and your body will get accustomed to it so quickly and then hit a wall. But you can't, unless you're speed walking with ankle weights on, you know what I mean?

[00:31:22] You gotta make it progressive. So when the stationary bike, I can always go up a level of resistance or add to my RPMs or at the time.

[00:31:30] Carl Lanore: [00:31:30] Uh, how about a Prowler? I liked the proud, like the push, the sled and things like that. Are you a fan of that kind of stuff?

[00:31:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:31:35] Never. I've never done the Prowler. Well, for me now, there's no way my knees would handle it.

[00:31:39] Right. There's no way. Maybe back in the day it would have enjoyed something like that. But I don't know. I always liked doing the stationary bike. It was my thing, man. And, um, I do recommend the car. I think cardios should be in anyone's program as a component with very few exceptions.

[00:31:54] Carl Lanore: [00:31:54] Very few exceptions.

[00:31:56] Crap. Holy crap. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. [00:32:00] I got to stop the show. Is that right? Is that Matt mind? Rod watching the show right now. Oh man. Look, man. Matt, mine, rod said, look who it is.

[00:32:11] Dave Pulcinella: [00:32:11] Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this live?

[00:32:13] Carl Lanore: [00:32:13] Yeah, of course it's live. Oh, I

[00:32:15] Dave Pulcinella: [00:32:15] didn't

[00:32:15] Carl Lanore: [00:32:15] know where line. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:16] Don't pick your nose. Can edit Matt mine. Rod, look at that. I can't believe that mine rod is honoring this show. And I mean that sincerely, I love Matt. Matt's a great guy. He lived in Louisville for a while. Oh no, he's, he's a big fish over there. Red con one big, big fish.

[00:32:34] Dave Pulcinella: [00:32:34] I just signed on with red con one, a matter of fact, as a, um, as a rep.

[00:32:39] Carl Lanore: [00:32:39] One floating shelf, two books. You're better than that, Dave. Matt's great. I love Matt. I was going to put the

[00:32:48] Dave Pulcinella: [00:32:48] book I ordered. I was going to put my book up on that shelf to see if anyone noticed the book, um, the, uh, the art of not, how to not give

[00:32:55] Carl Lanore: [00:32:55] enough and I'm giving it F yeah, I've seen that book too.

[00:33:00] [00:32:59] Anyway, Matt, thanks for being here, brother. Um, so, uh, let's talk about the fact that you are in probably the biggest comeback of your life right now. Talk about that.

[00:33:08] Dave Pulcinella: [00:33:08] Oh, no, it's not, it's not it's without a doubt. The biggest comeback. So like I said, between 2016 and now I've had five major surgeries, but you got to hear how each one of them happened.

[00:33:18] It's just a letter. I swear. I don't, I wish I had better stories. For how these injuries happen, but literally they're just from time and where over the years, and then what was it going to be? That was the cow, like the straw that broke the camel's back. What was it going to be that was going to make the thing tear, you know?

[00:33:37] And, uh, the first one happened, like I said, in 2016, I was with a client in my office and I got to stand up out of my chair and I, I guess I put too much weight on the right leg. And it just with a huge audible. Pop it snap, the quadricep tendon completely ruptured my quad shrubs swung up to the top between the knee and the [00:34:00] quad.

[00:34:00] You know what I mean? I know the kneecap, the kneecaps fell to the side and I sell to them screaming. And then at the, um, you know, the ambulance came and scooped me up off the floor and put me on no structure and carried me away. Now that is a six month recovery. So I had that major surgery done. Six month recovery for that.

[00:34:20] So no legs for six months, the six month after that, like literally the six months I had just done my first leg workout back that Saturday.

[00:34:32] Carl Lanore: [00:34:32] What did you do for your first leg workout? Just curious. Were you like really cautious, light,

[00:34:36] Dave Pulcinella: [00:34:36] light leg presses and light, light curls. And that's it, but I felt so good because six months ago I was literally laid up.

[00:34:46] I had a full leg cast on, and then it was, it was a mess. So that day I had done that Saturday. I'd done my first leg workout back for six months and I was really happy to be able to do legs again. The next day, Sunday, I was [00:35:00] delivering something to a friend of mine. Their daughter answered the door. I was on their front porch and there their dog who tends to be a little unruly, they, she forgot to put them in the cage.

[00:35:11] So he lunged out the door at me. And I fell backwards, twisted a little bit. And my left one same exact thing happened on the other leg the day after my

[00:35:24] Carl Lanore: [00:35:24] sixth. So, so this, so this had to be an anatomical defect. It had

[00:35:28] Dave Pulcinella: [00:35:28] to be, I don't think it was an anatomical defect in as much as it was. Literally a million reps of leg curls over 40 years and leg extensions over 40 years with the stack ballistic movements, you're going to, it's like a saw going away at that.

[00:35:46] Was

[00:35:46] Carl Lanore: [00:35:46] there any soreness ever any soreness in that area? Any soreness? No. What now? No back what? Before, right before the injuries, did you have any that it's been giving me problems?

[00:35:56] Dave Pulcinella: [00:35:56] Yeah. They had been giving me problems anyway, when that dog knocked me down and [00:36:00] I heard that pop, I knew exactly what it was and what it meant.

[00:36:04] It six months, months of what I just went through and I started crying and they thought I was crying. Cause I was in pain. I was crying because of what I knew I needed to go to throw again. So that's another six months after that. My shoulder was giving me problems. So I went to the doctor. He MRI it, sure enough.

[00:36:23] It was a rotator cuff tear, but it wasn't, it wasn't all the way off the bone. So I could still use it. He said, if you just use it carefully, do lightweight. Slow reps. Be careful. You can get a lot more years out of this without having surgery. It's just don't fall on it or do anything like that. That night I was asleep and had a bad dream and that dream I was in a fight.

[00:36:50] And in that fight, I launched the person. And in real life, like I say, I lunged off the bed in my sleep and landed [00:37:00] directly on that shoulder and towards the rest of the way off the bone. Oh man. I can't believe he

[00:37:06] Carl Lanore: [00:37:06] told me not to do this is, this is like, like if somebody was telling a bad joke, I could, this is how it would start.

[00:37:13] Right.

[00:37:14] Dave Pulcinella: [00:37:14] So I had to have the surgery on that one that had me in a, in a sling for three months. Then when I came back from that I was doing. Um, cable curls and this one, my pop needed the same

[00:37:26] Carl Lanore: [00:37:26] surgery. It's so interesting that, that you, you, you, you unilaterally damaged your body. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You bilaterally, bilaterally damaged your body.

[00:37:36] Those will all damage tissue that finally came home to us. Uh, Matt mine, rod put something up. That's true. Well, the older guys like us, I mean, I'm 62 now BPC one 57 and McConnell growth factor are two peptides you should always have, and you should use them every single day, half a milligram, half a milligram, a day of BPC, one 57, 300 micrograms [00:38:00] of a mechanical growth factor a day.

[00:38:02] You're good. At least to

[00:38:03] Dave Pulcinella: [00:38:03] get those though, like

[00:38:04] Carl Lanore: [00:38:04] where it's legit. I'll I'll I'll I'll text you after the show. Yeah. I mean, I'll send up peptide sciences.com.

[00:38:12] Dave Pulcinella: [00:38:12] It's been too long. I've been hearing about this for now five years and I haven't done it and there's no reason. There's no reason I shouldn't.

[00:38:18] Carl Lanore: [00:38:18] Right.

[00:38:19] Peptide sciences.com use the code SHR, uh, to get 10% off. And, uh, and you can get, I'm gonna have you text

[00:38:26] Dave Pulcinella: [00:38:26] that to me, cause I'm

[00:38:27] Carl Lanore: [00:38:27] going to do it by match. Right. And older guys like us. We need to have it because these soft tissue starts to dry out. The other thing that you gotta remember is Glucosomine and, and, uh, and collagen.

[00:38:38] Protein. Yeah.

[00:38:39] Dave Pulcinella: [00:38:39] Chronology. And I'm doing a big time right now. Critical. I have been for awhile. Love that. I'm also doing a lot of fish oil and EFI. Um, uh, yeah.

[00:38:48] Carl Lanore: [00:38:48] Yeah. So, so, so, so Robert Thompson says, do you think gear contributed to the risk of injury because it makes you so much stronger to

[00:38:58] Dave Pulcinella: [00:38:58] things. First of all, [00:39:00] not only does Deere make you stronger than your connective tissue, which is a known fact.

[00:39:03] Right. But it also over time eats away at the connective tissue through what mechanism? I don't know, but it definitely weakens it over time. So when you're, you're, you're a guy who's been on gear for 30 years, your connective tissue, wasn't what it was. And then things like, uh, Winstrol dry out. Your joints just makes it worse.

[00:39:20] Um, and then the other thing, um, what's wait, there was two things I wanted to talk about, so that. The fact that the gear dries it out. And what was the other thing? The weakening

[00:39:32] Carl Lanore: [00:39:32] of the weakening of the soft tissue in itself, but also the muscle becomes myostatin. So my, so, so

[00:39:39] Dave Pulcinella: [00:39:39] anyway, good. The second thing I really think contributed to all my connected tissue problems was the a six foods that work, believe it, or not only because I ain't like that for so many years, for so long during the year.

[00:39:53] And there's no hats. In that diet.

[00:39:57] Carl Lanore: [00:39:57] Well, there's no college and there's no college in that diet

[00:40:00] [00:40:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:40:00] collagen and there's no, exactly. So had I. Supplemented. This is the one thing that I wish I had done different. Had I done the six foods that work, which is great too, but had I supplemented with collagen and EFS?

[00:40:12] I think I would

[00:40:13] Carl Lanore: [00:40:13] have. Yeah, no, I agree with you. You, you actually experienced a nutrient type deficiency. In fact, I wrote 30 years. I wrote a blog post nutrient deficiencies, uh, wrote a blog post. Why it's better for you to eat tough meat. Than it is, you know, like, like I'm you might be, well, for years I would eat steak and I would buy minute steaks.

[00:40:37] You remember? You're you're Italian like me. We remember they used to make the steak up pizza, all sandwiches. Right. They used that steak. They use the cheap, the cheap, cheap steak. They ran it through the tenderizer. So it had all those holes in it. Okay. So. That's how you make a cheap steak tastes good by tenderizing.

[00:40:54] It, what people don't understand is that's the best steak to eat. And that's because the [00:41:00] reason it's tough is it has more collagen in it.

[00:41:03] Dave Pulcinella: [00:41:03] Oh, see, in my mind, I was always thinking, okay, if it's tougher, it's your, body's going to have a harder time breaking it down. No, end up with a lot of indigestion. No, no, no, no.

[00:41:13] Just meat in your, in your colon

[00:41:15] Carl Lanore: [00:41:15] and no, no, that's that's, that's a fallacy. Th if you D if you have undigested meat in your colon, you'll see it in the toilet bowl. You'll go, Oh my God, look, there's that hamburger I ate. It still looks the same. That's all BS. But the reality is the tough meat is better to eat because it has more collagen in it.

[00:41:30] So you're getting your collagen. Bingo. That's it. Um,

[00:41:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:41:35] Do you like, um, you know, bone broth, things of

[00:41:37] Carl Lanore: [00:41:37] that nature. I'm not a big fan of bone broth. I, I, you know, I stick with the, I stick with the animal protein. I eat vegetables, I eat white rice. I I'm, uh, I just got back on a meal plan. I prep my foods when

[00:41:51] Dave Pulcinella: [00:41:51] you eat animal protein, don't, you know that this is 2020.

[00:41:55] And the only thing that works is

[00:41:56] Carl Lanore: [00:41:56] vegetable protein. Kayla. I prep my [00:42:00] meals. Just like, just like, just like a geek. I prep my meals, chicken and broccoli today.  jacked geek. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I, I eat, I still look good. You still look good. Let's see. Bill Bergman has a question. He says, I often see pros training their back muscles, bilaterally over unilaterally exercise.

[00:42:21] Is there a reason for that?

[00:42:23] Dave Pulcinella: [00:42:23] Think he means to unilaterally.

[00:42:25] Carl Lanore: [00:42:25] So you mean, he, I think he's asking, he sees them training one arm versus two arm. Right? What do you think about that?

[00:42:32] Dave Pulcinella: [00:42:32] I don't like it. And I'll tell you why. One big reason I don't like unilateral training is because to truly do it effectively.

[00:42:37] You've got to do the one arm, right? I think you got to take arrests and then you got to come back. It's going to take you twice as long to do it. And twice to get back to the original Lynne, I don't like that. I like doing both at the same time, exhausting it, letting it rest and then come back to

[00:42:55] Carl Lanore: [00:42:55] it. So focus and focus of, you know, if you have a [00:43:00] non-dominant arm focus on that arm doing the initial polling that you could do that.

[00:43:04] If that's what you're worried about.

[00:43:06] Dave Pulcinella: [00:43:06] Exactly. I just don't like that. I don't like doing that one set for set, having the other set, hanging over my head that I have to do. And if you don't take that rest, you'll run out of wind before.

[00:43:16] Carl Lanore: [00:43:16] Yeah. When I, whenever I used to do things unilaterally, if I started with my left hand for the first set and installed with my right hand for the second set so that you have equal exhaustion.

[00:43:28] Separated so long. The only thing I do unilaterally is Dumbo, uh, bent over dumbbell rows. That's all

[00:43:36] Dave Pulcinella: [00:43:36] rarely. Um, yeah, I don't do anything unilaterally. I don't like it. I like bilateral movements only. And that's just the way I've always trained. I've tried them and I've, COVID come back to what I like.

[00:43:46] Carl Lanore: [00:43:46] Yeah.

[00:43:47] Um, okay, so I want to take a break, but before we go into the break, I want to give a different angle, a different side of you. And we have, uh, Natalie Kopecki. Uh, my director of communications was impressed, [00:44:00] uh, with your piano stylings. And this is you actually, uh, uh, playing a, an originally, uh, original piece that you wrote.

[00:44:08] Right. Let's see what it sounds like. Yeah.

[00:45:05] [00:45:00] That's pretty cool. Now that sounds a little jazzy. That sounds a little jazzy. It sounds like something you'd hear in a, in a Broadway, uh, uh, play or something like that. Broadway show. Well,

[00:45:14] Dave Pulcinella: [00:45:14] my influences are all jazz classical. And, and, you know, and so forth, I'm not really a pump player. Right. So my music does reflect a lot of esoteric type, uh, jazzy, jazz, fusion influences, things like that.

[00:45:29] Carl Lanore: [00:45:29] Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. I'm glad she liked it. I'm glad she liked. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She was like, so impressed with it.

[00:45:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:45:35] Talk to my pieces are too weird for people.

[00:45:38] Carl Lanore: [00:45:38] Now we're all weird here at Superman radio. There's nobody. No, but we have no, no. In fact, in order to work here, you have to agree that you're not normal.

[00:45:45] We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back up dead. Dave Paulson, Ellis States. Welcome back to superhuman radio. We're talking with Dave Paulson, Ella. He is the comeback kid. If you see Dave, he's coming back [00:46:00] from it, something is always coming back from work, coming back from home. So, um, right now you're, you're in the biggest comeback of your life.

[00:46:10] You, you, you you've suffered some real

[00:46:12] Dave Pulcinella: [00:46:12] doubt without a doubt. Yeah. Well, how do you motive? So how do you,

[00:46:16] Carl Lanore: [00:46:16] do you still get up every morning with the same enthusiasm that you did when you got up and jumped right on your, your, your

[00:46:22] Dave Pulcinella: [00:46:22] limits, your bicycles? I was up at five 30 this morning and my butt was on that stationary finding by five 45.

[00:46:30] And I love it. It feels great. I'm happy to still be able to do it. My knees don't feel the same while I'm doing it, but I just powered through it. And if I don't do it, man, if I don't, the alternative is unacceptable. The alternative is that I'm a 56 year old dude with a 56 year old dude's body. Right.

[00:46:50] That's not happening. Right. So whatever I can do, I'll do the hell out of it.

[00:46:56] Carl Lanore: [00:46:56] I got to drink some water, I guess.

[00:47:02] [00:47:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:47:02] Sorry. You'd get out. You'd get kicked out of planet fitness with that thing.

[00:47:05] Carl Lanore: [00:47:05] Yeah, that bottle. Yeah, I know. I know. Um, so we have some questions for you real quick here. Okay. Robert Thompson says, do you, what supplements do you like creating protein powders? How much protein for the older guy?

[00:47:20] Dave Pulcinella: [00:47:20] I like protein powder.

[00:47:22] I like a specific one. I like blends. I like the hex, the pros, I like the, um, the six protein blend, the team, things like that. Um, red con one, I love their, uh, blend. It's great tastes great. Um, I use a, uh, essential fatty acids. I love that. And I use those again. When you're eating this six at work, there's not much dietary fat in those, you need to take a supplement for your fats.

[00:47:49] Um, multivitamin always. Um, not much other than that, I don't do. Pre-workouts not much ergogenic CLI [00:48:00] just the, uh, the food-based supplements and things that they're basically nutrition based. They're not, um,

[00:48:06] Carl Lanore: [00:48:06] no ergogenic, have you tried the, uh, new ready to drink MRAs from red con one?

[00:48:12] Dave Pulcinella: [00:48:12] I have not tried that yet, dude, but I'm going to, how are they?

[00:48:16] How good are they?

[00:48:17] Carl Lanore: [00:48:17] Unbelievable. 1440 grams. This one has vanilla. They have vanilla. They have a blue blueberry cobbler. They have, uh, strawberry, uh, I think it's strawberry shortcake. And then they have, of course the classic chocolate. Nice 40 grams of protein. Got a load of this beef, isolate protein, egg, protein, rice, protein, and pea protein, no whey protein.

[00:48:42] There's a lot of people out there who are trying to avoid whey protein. Yeah, I'd say they're allergic to bigger and bigger. Yeah. There's

[00:48:48] Dave Pulcinella: [00:48:48] allergic proteins, protein. Uh, plant-based protein. Yeah. Um, I sort of like beet beet powder powder for my blood pressure.

[00:49:00] [00:49:00] Carl Lanore: [00:49:00] Does it really help you? You notice a difference.

[00:49:02] Dave Pulcinella: [00:49:02] It's insane. It's it's so cheap. It's not a medication. And yet I'm sure the medical field does not want you to know about it because. It just works.

[00:49:13] Carl Lanore: [00:49:13] Omar Hurtado said two legends, meaning me and you. I think Omar Hertato is he just put up two legends? I said, I think he's talking about me and you. Yeah. See that's what happens when you get old, Dave, they call you a legend,

[00:49:28] Dave Pulcinella: [00:49:28] regardless of what you've done.

[00:49:31] Carl Lanore: [00:49:31] It's like saying to relics.

[00:49:37] Thanks. Thank you, Omar. That's that's very sweet of you. Um, Bill. Bergman wants to know if you think that DECA is good for HRT,

[00:49:47] Dave Pulcinella: [00:49:47] not necessary, but it is good. If you have bad joints, HRT, man, you really should just do a low dose test. That's all you need. Once you start stacking everything, it's, it's beyond HRT and now you're in this stacking, [00:50:00] right? So you might as well just want to cycle, right. You know, not to mention the progesterone side effects that some people are very, very prone to with DECA.

[00:50:07] You just don't need it. Keep yourself low dose tests, just replace what you're losing and you'll be fine. Yeah. If you start to get greedy with it, that's where all the side effects and for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. So whatever it is you're doing, that's making you feel great today.

[00:50:23] We'll make you feel equally as shitty tomorrow, if you stop it. So don't, don't take it all the way up here just to have it come all the way down here. So I

[00:50:32] Carl Lanore: [00:50:32] don't think you need DECA for it. So, so, so, so Scott Taverner says Matt, in the comment section, almost the last call out again with Matt mine, rod in the comment section.

[00:50:42] So you you've done quite a few podcasts over the years. You and Aaron said when we got off topic, You and Aaron Singerman started pulsing radio, which was a combination between pulse and Singerman and pulse. And, uh, and then you also did a, uh, last call [00:51:00] out. Who did you do last call out? Would you do that with Matt Monroe first, first call out first call out for who did you do that with?

[00:51:05] No

[00:51:06] Dave Pulcinella: [00:51:06] one wants to be in the last call. That was not my rod. That was me and my rod. Yeah. That was me and my mom's baby. Oh, we loved it. It was so much fun. Sometimes that show would go on for three hours without sleeping real

[00:51:17] Carl Lanore: [00:51:17] well, because you were able to pontificate about things that you really loved and you knew about which was by,

[00:51:22] Dave Pulcinella: [00:51:22] you know, and, and like you and I.

[00:51:25] Matt. And I had really good chemistry, you know, it, it just was so easy. It wasn't, there's nothing strained about it. It just came so easy. It just, so it flowed naturally. So three hours would go by and we didn't even realize it. We're just having fun. You

[00:51:37] Carl Lanore: [00:51:37] know, now me, on the other hand, who knew nothing about bodybuilding had we had some bodybuilder on, off topic.

[00:51:44] And I asked him if he saw Kevin English in the two, 12 class, that particular competition and Aaron goes, yeah, Carl, he was, he was in the show. He was like, he was one of the athletes on the stage. I was like, Oh, I don't know. I didn't know who I got. That's what I [00:52:00] learned. That's what I learned. Don't talk about bodybuilding, you know, nothing about it.

[00:52:03] So yeah. To stay away from it. What is your

[00:52:06] Dave Pulcinella: [00:52:06] background with, by why did you choose, um, you know, this. This, uh, uh, industry, if you're not a bodybuilder and never was, I mean, direct relationship

[00:52:16] Carl Lanore: [00:52:16] creation. So, so, so by this, so I actually did a show about this with Anthony Roberts back in 2008. There's the word?

[00:52:25] Bodybuilding. And there's the sport bodybuilding, right. They're very different. So for me, um, I am probably the first and maybe to today, I dunno, maybe there's more, but. Guys to do a podcast about anti-aging where bodybuilding was a cornerstone of anti-aging. So I looked at it from the physical culture standpoint, like almond, Tanny and Jacqueline Lane.

[00:52:50] And, and then Steve Reeves and all these guys who believe that if you want the optimal health, let's forget. Let's not forget. Eugene [00:53:00] Sandow was named the health minister of England. At a point in time when he was popular and yeah. And th th the medical community was pissed off about it. They're like, how could you, well, he knew more about health because he was healthy.

[00:53:15] He knew how to stay healthy. They, they didn't know it. And so I, I look at bodybuilding for the express purpose of keeping me young and youthful and vital, and that happens to come along with a certain look, You know what I mean? The book is a byproduct of that. Yeah. So bodybuilding as a sport is, is, is, is different.

[00:53:38] And that's where the aberrations starts.

[00:53:41] Dave Pulcinella: [00:53:41] There's bodybuilding gun hobby, there's bodybuilding the sport. And then there's bodybuilding as a lifestyle stay healthy. Well, do they all do have the side effect of making it look better?

[00:53:52] Carl Lanore: [00:53:52] Yes. And, and well, and also feel better if you're doing it right. Obviously like we're discussing right now, so right.

[00:54:00] [00:54:00] You are, um, you're making a comeback. What is your goal like? W so when, like I have a goal, I want to be able to be strong. Like I was a couple of years, just a couple of years ago, just a couple of years ago. That's all I'm looking for to Rica. I've had a couple surgeries. Those are, those are my problems.

[00:54:16] Okay. So I have a, I have a, a solid goal in my mind that doesn't really have anything to do with the way I look as much as the way I feel. Okay. What is your goal when you

[00:54:30] Dave Pulcinella: [00:54:30] think of all do with the way I look? Yeah. Oh no, that's

[00:54:33] Carl Lanore: [00:54:33] okay. That's okay. I want to feel good

[00:54:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:54:35] too. No, that's okay. Health is, it's definitely more of a priority now than it ever has been because when you, when you feel it taken away from you, when you get that first little droplet of an inkling of mortality, and that's really what happened when I not with the first one, when I taught that first one.

[00:54:55] It's really

[00:54:56] Carl Lanore: [00:54:56] no big deal. Yeah. Yeah. And it was, it was, it was an accident.

[00:55:00] [00:55:00] Dave Pulcinella: [00:55:00] Oops. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. You know, at least it happened after, long after I retired. Uh, I'll just do what they tell me to do and I'll be healed. I'll come back. That's great. Then when that second one went, it became more systemic.

[00:55:15] It wasn't just an isolated thing. And so if it happened to this one and it happened to this one, there's something go on in my body. As an intern, as an entirety, as an entity, as you know what I mean? So it's systemic, whatever this thing is is everywhere. Yeah. Then this way,

[00:55:33] Carl Lanore: [00:55:33] and then this one, and

[00:55:35] Dave Pulcinella: [00:55:35] then this went, and then I had to give this one, three, so that's five right there.

[00:55:39] Right. So I'm like, something's going on? And it has to do with age and time. And I never had to even think about that before. Right. Ever had to think about age or time or wear and tear. I had never dealt with it. So the moment I dealt with it, to that degree, it changed everything. [00:56:00] Carl, it changed the way I thought about the world and life and mortality and how much time I have here and what I can do and how I'm on borrowed time and how I'm not to be able to do this forever.

[00:56:10] And at one time I thought I could. Right. I was going to be built

[00:56:14] Carl Lanore: [00:56:14] forever. I thought the same thing I thought I thought, because I did the show, I was going to be the guy that didn't have AIDS affect me.

[00:56:22] Dave Pulcinella: [00:56:22] Time always wins. Yeah. Time always wins. So you're, you know, after that, I, you know, and I just did my training, everything, and my goal at this point.

[00:56:33] And it's a lofty one, but I want to, and you have no one has an idea cause I will post pictures of what this has done to my physique over the years, what it did. Right. And my starting point, my spindly little cellulite written legs, right? My little tiny little arms. Where you can see the, the humorous throw it.

[00:56:54] It was awful. No one knew what I looked like, because I refused to show the world that I showed some [00:57:00] pictures. Right. But, um, my goal was to go from there, which is by the way, way worse than that kitchen. Sure.

[00:57:05] Carl Lanore: [00:57:05] Right. Right. I know. Cause you had muscle and you were functioning. Right, right.

[00:57:10] Dave Pulcinella: [00:57:10] Exactly. That was just from me not doing anything for awhile.

[00:57:13] Right. This is from me being broken. Right. So not only, not only am I dealing with the fact that. No, there were injuries, but now I have to train differently. Just a lot of things I can't do. So this is such a channel, is that it excites me. It's an actual opportunity. That's how I'm looking at it. It's an opportunity for me to do something I'd never done before and to prove to myself that I can overcome anything.

[00:57:36] So the training's gotta be totally different. There's a lot. I can't, I can't do any free weights anymore. I can't everything's machines. So the question is, can I get to look like I did when I was 45 at 56? Being able to do a fraction of the things I was able to do. All right. I can still eat the way I eat.

[00:57:54] I can still do that.

[00:57:55] Carl Lanore: [00:57:55] And let's be honest. That's 85% of it.

[00:57:58] Dave Pulcinella: [00:57:58] It's 85%. It's all, as long as [00:58:00] I lock in to those, which is I'm doing right now, and my body's changing daily, by the way, 45 minutes of cardio on that bike every morning at 5:00 AM and whatever I can do in the gym with weight training in my modified style, that's what I'm going to do until my body evolves into what it's going to be.

[00:58:17] Then we're going to see what it is. And my hope is that it looks like I did when I was 45. Two or three years after retiring me

[00:58:23] Carl Lanore: [00:58:23] that I'm going to, I'm going to start communicating with you behind the scenes because I, I need, uh, I want to talk to you cause I'm on, I'm on the same road as you. My, my leg strengthened leg mass has disappeared.

[00:58:35] Um, because I haven't been able to train legs for years, but, um, but I'm able, but I'm able, now I'm able now. I have some Ellen slumbers

[00:58:45] Dave Pulcinella: [00:58:45] where the staple, they were the bedrock of my, of my leg and asked training routine. And I can't do bodyweight now. Right, right. So I had to think of something else. It's

[00:58:56] Carl Lanore: [00:58:56] ridiculous.

[00:58:57] We have questions piling up here. So I'm going to take all those [00:59:00] I want to, but before we take the last commercial break, I have another clip. I want to show when you were making your own protein drinks out of tuna. Oh, so this has no audio. Tuna is a beverage. It says, and he's, he's scooping the tuna in his mouth and then drinking it down with water,

[00:59:21] Dave Pulcinella: [00:59:21] like a pill.

[00:59:22] Yeah. So I posted that recently and I got into a disagreement with Ian Vajra about it. And he invite air swears up and down that you shouldn't do that. Then it's going to, you're never going to digest your food. Well, ruining your

[00:59:34] Carl Lanore: [00:59:34] stomach. I beg to differ thinking a little bit about that when he said you're not going to digest your food.

[00:59:41] Um, drinking water with a meal will slow the digestion process down, but it doesn't stop it. What happens is your gut has to deal with the water first and get it out. So if that's in fact a concern. I have a sponsor [01:00:00] and, uh, this product here, let me see where it is. They're called. BiOptimizers those of you who watch the show know about BiOptimizers they have a product called HCL breakthrough it's hydrochloric acid, and, uh, and several other protease enzymes and so on.

[01:00:14] Right. So if you're going to drink water with your meal, just take a couple of these with it. Cause then what happens is the water becomes hydrochloric acid. So you're satisfying your need to drink the, the meal down and get it down. Right. Cause you know what people don't realize is a lot of those champion like eaters the key, the ones that go to the eating contest, they eat like 60 hotdogs.

[01:00:37] They drink and water every second, because down there gets it down. But this, that as well, if you add some HCL. A breakthrough from BiOptimizers a sponsor of my show. Uh, this turns that water into hydrochloric acid, and now it's going to actually digest your food.

[01:00:55] Dave Pulcinella: [01:00:55] You know what else though? Think about this for a second, Carl.

[01:00:58] Every body builder [01:01:00] that we know drinks one to two gallons of water a day and eat six to seven meals a day.

[01:01:05] Carl Lanore: [01:01:05] Anyway, they're always drinking water around a meal. Yes. Always whether you're doing

[01:01:10] Dave Pulcinella: [01:01:10] it the same time, where you're eating your meal and then five minutes later, your

[01:01:14] Carl Lanore: [01:01:14] exact right. Exactly. No, no, you're right.

[01:01:16] You're right. The gut deals with it by getting the water out first and processing the water. And then the digestion becomes first, but it's not going to be, it's not going to be ours. It's not going to be ours. I we're going to take the last commercial break station.

[01:01:29] Dave Pulcinella: [01:01:29] What are empties? Totally gotten. What,

[01:01:30] Carl Lanore: [01:01:30] five minutes, at least less than that.

[01:01:32] Probably less than that. Really. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll be right back with more. If you have questions. Yeah. We have some questions. Sit tight. Oh, welcome back. Brawn and brains.

[01:01:44] Dave Pulcinella: [01:01:44] Finally, you need who's the

[01:01:44] Carl Lanore: [01:01:44] roller. Who's the break here? Ah, neither one of

[01:01:47] Dave Pulcinella: [01:01:47] us. That's what I thought. I'm

[01:01:49] Carl Lanore: [01:01:49] just, I don't know who they're talking about.

[01:01:51] That guy used to work here. He doesn't work here. Um, okay, so we have some questions. So the first one comes from bill [01:02:00] Bergman. He says, uh, any tips on approaching girls in the gym? Don't yeah, just don't let them work out, leave them alone.

[01:02:08] Dave Pulcinella: [01:02:08] That's advice. They hate that even if they would like you otherwise, and they thought you were good looking in or whatever, just wait until they're done working out.

[01:02:15] Just don't approach them in the word and let them approach you. And don't try to go up to them and try to help them. That's even worse. Like they'll damsel in distress thing. Just don't do that. Leave him alone. This best advice I can give you that I have. I have

[01:02:30] Carl Lanore: [01:02:30] like really working out. I know how, how to get the prettiest girl in the gym to come over to you.

[01:02:39] So I was training legs one morning. And, uh, this was at an old powerhouse gym here in Louisville. And the squat rack was all the way, the furthest in the corner. And it was about 6:00 AM in the morning. And there wasn't anybody in the gym I walked in. I was the only one in there. And I had done a couple sets of warmups.

[01:02:55] I was graduating up to my room working, wait, I had really bad [01:03:00] gas. And I thought, okay, there's nobody in the gym, nobody in the gym. Right. That's how to get her to walk. I, I, so I let out the worst protein fart in the world and I'm like, by the time people get here, it'll be gone. And literally, as I finished fighting this really hot chick comes walking into the gym, walk straight.

[01:03:21] To the rack right next to me. So she's, she's looking at, we're both looking in the mirror and I'm like, you know, I'm like, I don't even want to look at it. Right. Cause I'm the only, I'm the guy in the elevator that farted, it's

[01:03:32] Dave Pulcinella: [01:03:32] not a matter of who did it. Like it's obvious

[01:03:35] Carl Lanore: [01:03:35] looked at me with the most disgusting grimace and just walked to the other side because he must've got a whiff of it and her mouth and her face.

[01:03:43] And she was like, Oh, you disgusting pig. And she walked away. So if you want the hottest chick in the gym to come over to you fought.

[01:03:52] Dave Pulcinella: [01:03:52] Right alone and lonely. And you want someone to walk

[01:03:55] Carl Lanore: [01:03:55] into the room? Just spark. Yeah. There you go. See,

[01:03:59] Dave Pulcinella: [01:03:59] literally I can [01:04:00] be in my office alone for two hours and fart, and then someone will knock on the door.

[01:04:04] Carl Lanore: [01:04:04] Yeah. Leave the girls alone. If they want to. If there's a girl that wants to know you tell them, tell them, just give them time. They'll come over here. So well,

[01:04:11] Dave Pulcinella: [01:04:11] eye contact says everything. If they're looking at you and looking at you and staring at you, that might be an invitation to come over. Otherwise he'd have them alone.

[01:04:21] Carl Lanore: [01:04:21] Okay. What about this? That we used to be a girl who used to come to my gym. She was married. I've seen a husband. I don't think things were good at home. And she used to come to my gym and choose to wear the shortest booty shorts in the world and do bent over, uh, deadlifts stiff like deadlifts. And like, you could literally, like she was doing them, you know?

[01:04:42] She knows that your ass is out. Yeah. You can see her ovaries. Exactly. So what, what do you do? I just looked away, first of all, I didn't want to get caught looking at her. Like I didn't want to be that person. Well,

[01:04:55] Dave Pulcinella: [01:04:55] that's what she wants. She wants you to look at her. Why else would she do that? That, that annoys me [01:05:00] when they dress like that.

[01:05:02] You look, and then they act offended that you looked. Right. Well, why are you

[01:05:06] Carl Lanore: [01:05:06] new in food?

[01:05:09] Dave Pulcinella: [01:05:09] Yeah, I mean, seriously, but there are some girls, I will say this, there are some girls that go to the gym to meet guys, and you will know who they are by the way they're dressed the makeup, the hair. But if she's there to train, leave her alone.

[01:05:21] Yeah. That, that was the single as bar for some girls. So some girls do go there to meet guys,

[01:05:26] Carl Lanore: [01:05:26] Michael, and you don't know that they want to meet Michael Nippert says good luck. I hope you can do it. Uh, Ryan Robert Thompson says. Try road cycling cause you like bike the concentric Hills

[01:05:41] Dave Pulcinella: [01:05:41] because it's never a constant.

[01:05:43] So when I'm in the meat and potatoes of my cardio, I'm literally at 105 RPMs in the pedal at level 10, the whole 45 minutes. There's no way to approximate that on the road. It's just, you're up. You're down. [01:06:00] You stop peddling. You're coasting for a couple seconds. You get to wear red light. There's all kinds of things that are interrupted.

[01:06:04] That that's, I'm not approximating what I'm doing at home on the road. It might be more cool and interesting with the scenery, but I don't like the hell about that.

[01:06:13] Carl Lanore: [01:06:13] You know, it's interesting because I watched the director's cut. Uh, where, where your brother and you and, uh, a girl whose name? I can't remember right now, Jennifer.

[01:06:23] Okay. What were commenting about. The raising the bar too. And you, they, and so your brother was there, like you woke up, you got out of bed, you got right on the bicycle and you said you were shocked. You said, wow. I didn't realize I started out peddling at that high RPM. And then you said, that's why I was fat.

[01:06:44] I didn't understand that. Like, I would think that peddling at a high RPM would be, yeah, you said a fat F you said. I sent that. Yeah, go back around the floor around the floor. But I started off in hierarchy. You said, [01:07:00] you said, I can't believe I got right on the bike and was up at that high RPM. That's why I was a fat.

[01:07:06] Yeah,

[01:07:08] Dave Pulcinella: [01:07:08] really? Yeah. I got it. You know what? I'm going to go back and listen to it because I'm sure something is being lost in translation because that's, that's not, it makes no sense.

[01:07:18] Carl Lanore: [01:07:18] Um, yeah, it's around the four minute Mark. So it's real easy. It's right. At the beginning of the semester, we

[01:07:23] Dave Pulcinella: [01:07:23] started off with 80 to 90 RPM.

[01:07:25] Yeah. You

[01:07:26] Carl Lanore: [01:07:26] were well into, right from the get-go right from the beginning. Yeah. You sent and you commented you go. I can't believe I started off at that high RPM. Um,

[01:07:36] Dave Pulcinella: [01:07:36] maybe I said I started off like that because I was fat. Oh,

[01:07:40] Carl Lanore: [01:07:40] maybe that could be it. That could be, I don't know. We'll stay, I'm going to look at

[01:07:43] Dave Pulcinella: [01:07:43] it.

[01:07:44] Carl Lanore: [01:07:44] I'm going to watch it. Bill Bergman says thanks for the tips on meeting a girl. Yeah. Just fart. You'll get the hottest girl in the gym. We'll come right over to you. And um, and Robert Thompson says fixed gears, no coasting, constant, uh, cadence, not boring [01:08:00] skill involved. So maybe you should give it a try, you know?

[01:08:03] Well, how's one. AMS device. You don't need you. What do you think about those? The electromagnetic stimulators are the elect electric pulse stimulators. You think they look for guys like us when we've had injuries?

[01:08:15] Dave Pulcinella: [01:08:15] Yeah. And I'll tell you why, because for instance, uh, over the past four years or so, not my entire calf, but just the inner head has just disappeared.

[01:08:25] I still have the outer head. So now that's just like one side of it bulges out like this and the other is like almost scooped out. It's gone. And the reason is nerve damage. So if a nerve is not innervating that muscle, there's no way I don't care how many catchphrases I write. It's not going to build. So I put the, I put the, the thing right there.

[01:08:44] The tens unit. Yeah. Yeah. Zapped them. That's the only way they're going to get any sleep. And do you see any

[01:08:50] Carl Lanore: [01:08:50] change? Yeah,

[01:08:52] Dave Pulcinella: [01:08:52] really. You've got to do it every day though. And I have the unit and I put it on there just on that, on that inner head of my calf, because that's the only [01:09:00] way to stimulate that muscle.

[01:09:01] Now, if you can stimulate it normally, you don't need it. That's going to be pointless to do that. But if you have a muscle that's through nerve damage, it's not innervating, it's not firing. Then there's nothing you can do exercise wise. So you've got to bypass that whole nerve system and you've got to go.

[01:09:16] Carl Lanore: [01:09:16] No directly. You've got to go direct connect. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so you have a business where you do a sup uh, supplement, a nutritional counseling, right? Yeah. How do people find you if they want to reach out to you and get some advice?

[01:09:29] Dave Pulcinella: [01:09:29] Well, my website is, uh, post nutrition, concepts.com, P

[01:09:33] Carl Lanore: [01:09:33] U L S E pulse concept play,

[01:09:37] Dave Pulcinella: [01:09:37] play on pulse and, uh, poles, nutrition, concepts.com.

[01:09:43] Um, That's the best way to contact me. And there's a, there's a field on there. You can go in and inquire about my prices and what

[01:09:50] Carl Lanore: [01:09:50] I offer. And, uh, T give your Instagram again, please.

[01:09:54] Dave Pulcinella: [01:09:54] Instagram is at Dave Paulson, Ella, Dave, P U L C I [01:10:00] N E L L a.

[01:10:03] Carl Lanore: [01:10:03] I'm sorry about the typo. It says Polsinelli on the screen. Yeah, that's okay.

[01:10:08] Nobody, nobody sees that anyway. Um,

[01:10:10] Dave Pulcinella: [01:10:10] research on your topic.

[01:10:14] Carl Lanore: [01:10:14] Any research on which topic?

[01:10:16] Dave Pulcinella: [01:10:16] Me? It didn't spell my name. Right? Wait, wait, who spelled

[01:10:19] Carl Lanore: [01:10:19] it? You, Oh, I don't know. Somebody misspelled at the end. Yeah.

[01:10:24] Dave Pulcinella: [01:10:24] Yeah. Well, that's that's if there's more than one day Paul Spinella. Yeah. Plural.

[01:10:28] Carl Lanore: [01:10:28] Annelies yeah, there you go.

[01:10:29] Yeah. That's that's plural. That's it? Uh, it's been fun hanging out with you. Oh, you too always, man. Yeah. And, uh, I'm going to keep in touch with you and we'll we'll progress together.

[01:10:41] Dave Pulcinella: [01:10:41] Yes. And I want you to send me the, uh, peptides that are supposed to do for my

[01:10:46] Carl Lanore: [01:10:46] texts. I'll text you, right. Literally right after we get off the air here, I'll text.

[01:10:49] Awesome. All right. Thanks to everybody who participated live today is Friday, which means I'm off for the next couple of days. Uh, but we will be back Monday. We have lots of great shows planned. Next [01:11:00] week we have Layne Norton coming on. Oh, nice. He's always in lane is great. Lane. Just pulled the 700 and something pound deadlift after having all sorts of back problem.

[01:11:10] Well, don't forget. He had like ruptured discs and he had all sorts of back problems and he, I came back and

[01:11:16] Dave Pulcinella: [01:11:16] he's a Natty.

[01:11:18] Carl Lanore: [01:11:18] Yes. He's been naughty his whole career. He's

[01:11:21] Dave Pulcinella: [01:11:21] a Natty who doesn't believe in the six foods that worked. Yes. I know

[01:11:24] Carl Lanore: [01:11:24] we've had many arguments. No, I know. I know. He's, you know, everything works for everybody that it works for.

[01:11:29] You know what I'm saying? That's a really good way

[01:11:31] to

[01:11:31] Dave Pulcinella: [01:11:31] put it.

[01:11:32] Carl Lanore: [01:11:32] It really is. Yeah. But yeah, lane is going to be on and we'll be talking about nutrition. We'll be talking about his recent, uh, breaking his recent, uh, goal. And, um, bye bye. Thanks for the show. I Dave, talk to you soon, brother, take care. We'll see everybody on Monday.

[01:11:48] Thanks for being here. Okay. [01:12:00] .