[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of human radio. Today is January 18th and we've got a great show planned for you. Uh, during the first hour, we're going to be joined by longtime friend and friend of the show, uh, coach Wade Johnson for an episode of, uh, of fathers and sons. And then later in the show, we're going to talk about how the speed in which you go up the stairs could predict your heart health.

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[00:01:36] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:01:36] How are you doing coach? I'm great. It's always good to be with you,

[00:01:39] Carl Lanore: [00:01:39] Carl. So, um, you are a dad, actually, Natalie Kopecky, who is my director of communications. Uh, and social media guru, and she's actually in the background right now, helping me keep the show together, um, was under the impression that you had, uh, four children, but you have one, you have one [00:02:00] son and that is, uh, your son West, who I met when he was a very young man.

[00:02:06] And I say, man, because Wes was never a boy. I mean, you know, Wes was squatting like six, seven, 800 pounds. At what? Age? 16.

[00:02:19] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:02:19] Uh, he, when he was his 16th birthday, a meet that I actually ran, he squatted 600 pounds. Um, and then when he was 17 years old, he squatted eight Oh five. About a month after he turned 17, he was a junior in high school.

[00:02:35] And he squatted eight

[00:02:36] Carl Lanore: [00:02:36] Oh five. Yeah. So he, I have a hard time calling that West that I knew back then a boy, of course, but he realized from maturity level and age wise, he was a boy. And you've done an amazing job with Wes West is a, is a fine young man. I even, I know that he, uh, had his excursion away from strength and for awhile, uh, he, he, he got a [00:03:00] profession that's, uh, helping people.

[00:03:02] Right. Cause he's a physical therapist,

[00:03:03] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:03:03] right. Yeah, he's a, he is a massage therapist.

[00:03:07] Carl Lanore: [00:03:07] And so, but he's come back. He's come, he's come back to his roots. I know he's training at the ogre compound again, right?

[00:03:13] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:03:13] Well, uh, he trained some, what he did is, uh, he's been married now. He and Joanie had been married now for, I wanna say seven years.

[00:03:23] And, uh, they bought a house, um, uh, four or five years ago and he has a one car garage that he has turned into a training studio. Where he can train a little bit more often at home. And then he has clients that are, you know, in his proximity, he probably lives, you know, probably 20 minutes away. And so with his schedule, because he's got another business besides what he does for work and, you know, in, and he's coaching people.

[00:03:51] So he's in here about once a week now, but we're the reason why he left strength is we, you know, we had him on the show that you had [00:04:00] us, uh, On a, on another show, the two of us, um, you know, when one of my training partners, our training partner abruptly passed away right there in the gym. Right. And Chuck, Chuck was a, it was a pretty big guy, but he had a lot of, a lot of health issues and that wasn't a mystery and that had such a profound effect on him.

[00:04:19] So he, he went through this process of, of losing a bunch of weight. And, uh, but he has since then, you know, in the last 15 years, he's competed in a couple of, of power lifting meets and, um, you know, he, he stay, he tries to stay, you know, a little bit or bit on the smaller side, you know, then obviously me, uh, but he's still, he still trains very, very consistently.

[00:04:45] Carl Lanore: [00:04:45] So over the years, I've heard you talk about your dad. We were just talking a little bit about him, extra rainiest to the topics we were talking about, um, who, who, who had the biggest impact on you as a young boy? [00:05:00] And, uh, do you, that you think really led into the person you've developed into?

[00:05:06] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:05:06] Was that a question?

[00:05:07] It was my father. Um, I lost my dad. It was one of those things that, uh, When I was a young boy, he worked, um, try to give you an idea of where he worked in Florida was where we're from in homestead, Florida. It's called Turkey point, or it was many, many years ago. And there's two,

[00:05:29] Carl Lanore: [00:05:29] of course, we're going to have internet. W w you dropped out right. When you said to your, your internet dropped out, that we had, there were two, and then you finished with excavation, right?

[00:05:41] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:05:41] Okay. There was two, um, nuclear power plants, um, there at Turkey point in his company that they did heavy excavation dug the cooling canals and, uh, So I would occasionally get to go to work and he would wear, you [00:06:00] know, construction boots, blue jeans, and a white t-shirt.

[00:06:03] So I had to have her very same thing. And, uh, if there was a certain way that he dressed certain shoes, then I had to have them as well, you know, and I was always a Nambour with how big and how powerful and how strong, you know, he had a very commanding presence. And, um, you know, so I always looked up to that, you know, and, and as, as I've gotten older, not only do I look like, you know, he did as he got older, but he, and I sounded a whole lot, you know, we sound a whole lot alike.

[00:06:34] And a lot of people, when I would answer the phone, even as a young kid, you know, we've all, all of us Wes, my father on myself and what we said, very deep voices. And, uh, so a lot of people would mistake me for my father. That's so funny. And so I like, well, I used to have those, those guys, you know, the, the people from the swamp or very different, you know, breed of people.

[00:06:59] And, uh, [00:07:00] they would take me out and air boats and helicopters, you know, all of my heads that it was okay. And I'll never forget, I can't remember the man's name, but he said, You know, is that my dad's name, Carol? Because you know, Harold, I think you will be more like him looks like you. I was definitely a mini him.

[00:07:20] There is no question about it. And as West West, you know, looks as some, uh, some of his mother's features, so he doesn't look, you know, as spinning image, you know, as I did with my father, you can definitely tell that Wes and I are father and son, but. But that's, you know, that's, that's the connection with my father

[00:07:40] Carl Lanore: [00:07:40] who, but who else in your life?

[00:07:41] You know, so like for me, um, my father was not a Hunter. He was, uh, he S he was a served in active duty overseas, and he wasn't a big gun enthusiast, let's say. And, um, and so I learned to hunt from my friend. Uh, Joe [00:08:00] DiStefano, his father, Joe, also, who else, who else had him as you know, could you kind of grab pieces of different people as you grow up and you think I liked that I'm going to incorporate that into me.

[00:08:09] Were there any other people, teachers, maybe anything like that?

[00:08:12] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:08:12] Yes. Uh, and, and, and we always called him Jones. I had an art teacher in high school. And his first name escapes me, honestly, because we never called him. We never C we called him by his, we didn't call him Mr. Jones. He wanted to be called Jones.

[00:08:28] And what he instilled in me, a lot of people don't know that I have an artistic background and that's another story, but, uh, yeah, on drawing and he really allowed me, he pushed me to be creative. And, and as, as a musician, Learning that skill set from drawing, you know, how to push the boundaries of what, you know, let me give you an example.

[00:08:54] Um, we have you you'll, you'll buy these pieces of art and it has numbers and [00:09:00] you code them in and everybody's shades and stuff like that. And it's a picture, but it's what you do outside the lines that really creates the art. And, uh, that was something that he really. You know, instilled in me is like, push that boundary a little bit.

[00:09:16] Go go the extra D even though you don't think it's good, just, just no go, go full in and extend yourself as far as you can, because it's always expanding your horizons. You know, you, how do you learn to get good at something? Well, if you take something that you're not very good at and you keep doing it until you get better at it and that's oversimplification, but he really, he really had a profound effect on me and he was a high school teacher.

[00:09:42] And, and that, that made a big impact on me.

[00:09:47] Carl Lanore: [00:09:47] Um, usually when, when boys start to go through puberty, they start to search for their own autonomy. It's even recognized in psychology, you know, in the [00:10:00] sciences. And a lot of times when they start to search for their own autonomy, one of the things they have to do is kind of break.

[00:10:07] With their dad in order to become men themselves. And a lot of, a lot of times it can lead to conflict. Like I remember the, when I was going through this with my dad, I actually cursed. I thought I was going to get walloped. Did, did, did you and West have that when he was getting up to a certain age?

[00:10:29] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:10:29] Um, it was probably after he got out of high school West and I have always been exceptionally tight, but like from when he was very small, up until 18, 19 years old, we, we never had those issues.

[00:10:45] Um, having been a single father in him living with me, um, it kinda created a situation where we depended on one another. So it was, we'd never had that, like going through junior high, high school [00:11:00] years now after he graduated and he got through a therapy school. You know, then, then that's where, you know, he and I would kind of butt heads and I think I, and I think that's what you're, you know what you're discussing.

[00:11:13] Yeah. Did he

[00:11:14] Carl Lanore: [00:11:14] have, did he ever outwardly challenge you? Yeah. Like challenge you about something like not, not, Hey dad, I'm going to beat you up, but he started to disagree with

[00:11:21] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:11:21] you or? Yes. And it was like, when I, the first time I really, really saw it was when he and Joanie. Uh, moved back to the Mount Juliet area where we're at, and we would kind of butt heads on coaching or how somebody should do something and, and things of that nature.

[00:11:42] So that it, it was one of those things because I never went through those things. When Wes was a teenager, I did not have that skill set of coping with that very well. Um, when it did happen as he became, you know, uh, Oh, you're a young [00:12:00] adult, so to speak.

[00:12:00] Carl Lanore: [00:12:00] Yeah. And so did you give him the latitude to have a different opinion or did you, you know, because I think as fathers, we want the best for our sons, but sometimes we think we know best too at the

[00:12:14] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:12:14] same time, you know?

[00:12:15] Well, I'll tell you what it was a hard lesson in, in being a coach has really helped me. You know, get through some of those situations because it's hard when not to take those situations personally, it's like, you know, I'm knocking it, I'm doing all this for you. Why are you being a little, you know? And, um, well, I w what I've learned is this, like, sometimes I've learned initially not so much, but as time went on, it's like, let's let him have his say.

[00:12:45] And then once he said something to say, then I'm going to go, well, let me offer you my perspective in here. It's not enough to tell him what I think I got to back that up with why I think that right. You know, and I have to be [00:13:00] very careful for it. Not to be primarily an emotional response. It has to be something where it's like, Oh, before, because anytime I'll respond emotionally, especially him and I, because it's basically two Silverback gorillas.

[00:13:14] In in this. So it's always going to be that. So I have learned to really take a step back and give him that levity and then that latitude to, to even be wrong, you know, and, and say whatever he needs to say, because he's not going to get that in, in a lot of the other relationships in life that he has. You know, and he can say things to me that he probably can't say to his wife, without it causing a, you know, a big ordeal, but you, you have, I learned that you have to stay open-minded long enough to go.

[00:13:47] Let's see where this goes and see if, what he's initially discussing, if that's really the issue, or if there's something bigger in the background that we just need to keep, we need to keep the channel of [00:14:00] conversation open long enough for him to reveal what's really going on because that, that has happened, you know, a handful of times over even the, you know, the past couple of years and, and I can give you a examples and, and all those things are examples of where.

[00:14:15] He was right. But he wasn't effective. That's probably something that I've tried to really, really instill in him as he became a young man and then was married, you know, it's like, Hey, there's right and wrong. And I understand all that, but there's also being effective and you're going to learn that being effective may sometimes be more important than whether you're right or not.

[00:14:35] That's that's.

[00:14:36] Carl Lanore: [00:14:36] That should be always. So what about discipline? What was your position on discipline with Wes?

[00:14:42] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:14:42] He, and I always had a very firm understanding of who was in charge, but it was never one of those things where, you know, I, I, you know, like, Hey, I'm the boss and it's because I say so, uh, he was always very respectful.

[00:14:56] And, uh, like I said, because I was a single [00:15:00] father, um, when he moved in with me because of, you know, the, the, a better school situation and so forth, he understood. Uh, the challenges that he and I would be facing. And, um, every, it was rare, you know, the, the, probably the biggest issue that I had with West growing up is what he would always be ready to go to school.

[00:15:22] Well, what we trained really early in the morning and I would come upstairs and he would still be in bed when we would need to be downstairs training. And the guys were there, you know, I'm like Wes, it's time to squat your leg and you live here, you know,

[00:15:37] Carl Lanore: [00:15:37] you

[00:15:38] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:15:38] live here. So, you know, and when he was big, you just would have to be careful.

[00:15:44] It's like, look, son, I just made a pound of spaghetti and a gallon of tea. Don't eat all of it tonight. You got to have something for lunch, you know, and those types of things. But he and I never, you know, [00:16:00] it was one of those things where I think it was one of, because I didn't rule with an iron fist that he understood that you probably, what I, what I, what my father instilled in me is, is there's a way that you speak to people.

[00:16:13] And you can have a commanding presence and they tend to understand that may not be the guy that I want to try full with. Right. And so I have one incident when he was, uh, 18 that he really tried me. And, you know, we really, I, you know, we had a very strong discussion about it. And, uh, other than that, I think because of.

[00:16:40] Of how open he and I have always been with each other. Um, we didn't have a lot of the issues that a lot of other, you know, father sons have now, we we've had our moments, but coming up, he under, he understood that, you know, I'm in charge and, and the way we're going to do things. [00:17:00] And, uh, but I also, by the same token, I was always, I think, I think what really helped him and I is making sure that I asked him, Hey, what do you think about this?

[00:17:10] You know, we're we're what are you? I mean, you, you know, you, when you met me, uh, Chris and I were in a relationship and he was very close to her and when we were abruptly spit split up, he obviously was very concerned with me, but I also wanted to know, I said, no, holds barred. You say whatever you want to, however you need to communicate it.

[00:17:32] How do you feel about this? What, what do you make of this. And so, because I think especially, you know, I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but being a coach and working with kids, you see from a different vantage point, you know that when you're not the parent, but you're the coach and you have a parental, you know, influence on a kid, you see those difficulties in communicating [00:18:00] and.

[00:18:01] With with boys. It just, I never wanted West to be afraid to come to me with anything. And by and large, we've had conversations where I'm like, I really don't want to know this. I don't want to know this, but I was so grateful, you know, that, that he would come in and discuss those things. It wasn't always comfortable, you know, but, but he, but he was open enough and, and like I said, he tried me.

[00:18:26] Pardon my patients a few times, but, but my Marge, you know, that w w we didn't have that issue. I think just allowing him to always being able to interject his thoughts, even if it wasn't going to change what we were doing, but having the ability to have a say, I think, I think made a big impact on our relationship when he was growing

[00:18:46] Carl Lanore: [00:18:46] up.

[00:18:47] Do you think power lifting the fact that you both shared a common sport, made it easier? For you as a dad,

[00:18:56] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:18:56] easier? Uh, I think it, I think it gave us [00:19:00] continuity. I think it's one of those things. It's it's we always, we always want the best for our kid, but we always love the fact that they want to follow in our footsteps.

[00:19:14] And I always wanted West. To, to do whatever he wanted to do and be as good at it. And, uh, but he wanted to power lift even. And he, you know, he made sure that he had a conversation with me when he was, um, maybe 13 years old, you know, he said, you know, he asked me, he said, so what do you think about me powerlifting?

[00:19:37] And I said, well, I would love for you to do that. But what I want to make sure is that it's something that you want to do. I don't want you to do it because that's what I do. I don't want to put pressure on you that because I'm a power lifter, you should be, do you have the propensity to be big and strong?

[00:19:53] Will obviously the answer's yes. Even as a young boy, at 12 years old, he did lifted over 300 pounds at a [00:20:00] powerlifting, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what he wants to do. He may want to play violin, you know, and, uh, He said, I said, so make sure that you want to do it. And he goes, well, I think with you helping me that not only could I be good, I might be able to be great at this.

[00:20:18] And that's, you know, the next five years, you know, I coached demon and, you know, competed with him. And so it gave us a connection where a lot of fathers and sons were, they were not athletes or they do. You know, something, there, there wasn't a connection that like Western I had when we shared not only that he was power lifting, but he also power lifted at a very, very high level.

[00:20:46] Carl Lanore: [00:20:46] Were there any other competitors his age at that level when he was competing?

[00:20:52] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:20:52] No. No, it was, it was one of those things where, um, He would be very [00:21:00] motivated because we had a pretty strong crew of guys. And so his target wouldn't be kids his age. Um, there was one kid that was in, um, severe volt, Tennessee that had broken records that I had actually done an article.

[00:21:13] Well on four, uh, I think it was called power mag. This was several years ago. And, uh, he and West Mitt and West actually, they, they thought I actually handled Josh at the WPA worlds probably back in 2003. And he hit this ridiculous bench press, probably in the mid four hundreds. And we thought no kid will ever touch that.

[00:21:39] Well, a few years later, my son came through and obliterated that record. And, um, so. He never really had anybody, you know, that was a contemporary at that age. So he always lifted, you know, with full grown men. And so that became his target. I want to lift more than so-and-so in the group or whatever the case may [00:22:00] be.

[00:22:00] Carl Lanore: [00:22:00] You ever talked to him about girls and then women as he was growing up. And what kind of messages did you try? What messages did you feel compelled as a father to instill in him about women?

[00:22:14] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:22:14] Well, it's one of those things where

[00:22:19] get him to understand me.

[00:22:20] Carl Lanore: [00:22:20] Sorry, I just, I just coughed over you and killed your mic. I'm such a jerk. Go

[00:22:25] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:22:25] ahead. I'm sorry. I always tried to instill in him to always first and no matter who you're dealing with, but especially with women that you hold them in high esteem and respect. And, um, I remember he and I having a conversation about a girlfriend at the time, and he was young 14 years old, maybe 14, 15.

[00:22:49] And he said, I just never want her to be in a position where anything she does with me, regardless of what it is that she would regret it. And so we [00:23:00] always talked about, you know, how, how would you want to be treated, why you would want to be treated that way? And we always kept things opening, open about whether it be sex or whatever the case may be.

[00:23:12] Sorry about the dogs.

[00:23:16] Like I said, because, because he and I were so open with one another, let we shut that door. Okay. Take it.

[00:23:22] Carl Lanore: [00:23:22] Take your time. Take it out. I coughed over for you. Anyway.

[00:23:32] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:23:32] Sorry about that. That's okay. That's okay. Don't worry about it. So I was always careful to try to, to be broad, not very specific and again, lit because it always gave him a platform to let me know how he felt about a certain situation. And, uh, you know, so he was always very open with me about those things.

[00:23:56] And again, what I, what I always wanted him to do is [00:24:00] be respectful and, and, and he always was. Yeah.

[00:24:05] Carl Lanore: [00:24:05] Um, it, the climate for men today is really interesting. I'll say interesting. You know, we have toxic masculinity out there. Um, you have, um, lots of situations where there is apparently miscommunication of who wants to have sex and the next day the guy's getting arrested.

[00:24:23] Um, it's, it's really a tenuous date. Like I wouldn't want to be dating today. I wouldn't want to be dating. Um, now West is not dating anymore, but when he did start dating, did you have any kind of discussions or were there, were there situations that you felt needed to be talked about, especially when it came to sex?

[00:24:47] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:24:47] Well, it's one of those things where, uh, I always told him, you know, not only about being respectful, but. Make sure that regardless of what you're getting [00:25:00] involved in, whether it be physical or otherwise that there's others aspects, you know, it's one thing to just to have sex, but generally that there was an, a mental and emotional and even spiritual attachment to all those things, regardless of what you feel about religion.

[00:25:16] Um, yeah, I guess there's definitely a spiritual thing, a mental thing and emotional thing. And what I would hate for, for you and anyone that you chose to be with, um, is that you walked away from the situation or once the situation was done, you were like, man, that was a bad idea, you know? And that there's consequences.

[00:25:39] It's not just getting to know every, we tried it. We tried to scare everybody. She could get pregnant. Okay. Yeah. You could get a disease, you know, and it's like, they're there. I think there's a bigger picture there. What if you love this person? You know, what, if you, what, if you have those intimate feelings.

[00:25:59] You have to, [00:26:00] the big thing that I tried to do with him, there's cause and effect for everything that we do everything and that there's also always a price to pay and there's, but there's a negative connotation typically attached to that. And I wanted to dispel that for him, you know, to go, Hey, understand that.

[00:26:19] Just I had a conversation with him when he was about 11 or 12, when I knew he was a big powerful kid. And one of the things that I, I really try to impress upon him is that day go, when you're a big strong person, you also, you got to understand that there's a really big responsibility. Right? Right. You can't just get pissed off and punch the crap out of somebody because you could, you could Sue it's one thing to, to bloody someone's nose.

[00:26:47] It's another thing to break their face and, you know, it gets. And even in his day and age, as a, as a kid and a teenager now it's exponentially, you know, more, more complicated. Right. [00:27:00] But I, I wanted him to understand that in that situation, there's a lot of cause and effect, but I wanted to make sure that every day it wasn't about fear and it will, there, there wasn't a lot of negative connotations, but with, with that cause and effect with the price that you pay, you know, that.

[00:27:20] There's a lot of things going on and I didn't want him to, to, to, to attach. I wanted him to be very open. I wanted, I didn't want them to attach anything negative or scary or any, and again, be very open about all those things. So we did have those conversations. We never really discussed much about the mechanics of all of it.

[00:27:42] Right. I, I let him, you know, he is he right? But, but then he understood that, you know, there, no matter what the situation was that you, there was a great deal of responsibility that was associated with that. So didn't want it [00:28:00] to be fearful or negative or scary, you know? Cause we, we that's the direction we typically go, as parents is to go, Hey.

[00:28:07] There's a lot more going on here than a little bit of sex. There's a lot of things that are at play and, and, and things can go awry really quick if you don't pay attention. And so that, that was the relationship he and I had about those

[00:28:22] Carl Lanore: [00:28:22] things. I want to take a quick commercial break. I want to come back and talk about something you just pointed out because you know, West West really was a phenom.

[00:28:32] Right. Like, I mean, when you really think about his level of strength at that age and his decision to walk away, I understand why he walked away and it's valid, but did you ever have a selfish moment? This is what we want to talk about. When we come out of the break to like, try to lure him back in, like this kid doesn't understand he could be the greatest powerlifter that ever lived.

[00:28:53] And so let's talk about that when we come back. We're talking today with coach Wade Johnson. One of my favorite people on this planet [00:29:00] stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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[00:29:37] And just tell me either the commercial that preceded it or the commercial that followed it. Very simple. You do that. And your name will be entered and every week we're going to give away one box of tasty, pastry. Very, very simple stuff. So start listening tomorrow for the secret word. It'll be easy to hear because it'll be my silly [00:30:00] voice saying it in between two commercials.

[00:30:02] So it should jump out at you. So there was no doubt that at his young age, Wade, uh, wait, I'm sorry. West displayed. Superhuman strength and under your guidance, I mean, you look at Serena and Venus Williams and their dad's influenced, you know, under your guidance. He very well could have been one of the greatest powerlifters and strong men of all time.

[00:30:34] I'm sure he would have been thought of doing strong man. Cause it would have been the natural progression to just leverage and repurpose his strength and do that. And when he came to you after Chuck passed, and that was a very tragic point. Even you, you, you were very effected by that. I remember that.

[00:30:52] Absolutely. And so, and he comes to you and he says, dad, I don't want to do this anymore. Is that how it happened?

[00:30:58] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:30:58] Well, uh, [00:31:00] basically what he, uh, we were training part-time here at, at what has become the ogre compound. And our home gym was in a town over, uh, 15 minutes away in Hermitage. And it was where we did the rest of our training.

[00:31:18] And he told me, he goes, Hey, I want to lose weight and I want to do bodybuilding. And, um, I think that was the moment not only with, with Chuck's passing and how that had an effect on him and the changes that he wanted to make. I think that was the moment for him. He had been big all of his life. And he said, you know, I've always been so big all of my life and I want to go different direction with this.

[00:31:44] I still want to work out and I'll still train some with you, but I want to do mine. I don't think, and now I will not lie. I won't deny it. It brushed me, you know, you know, because the years that he and I spent in the gym and going [00:32:00] to the meets and stuff like that and doing strong man together and. You know, the days of the WPO or all the top power lifters in the world knew who he was.

[00:32:10] You know, I was like, he's throwing this opportunity away. And, uh, but it was one of those things too, where I was like, I'm going to ha you know, they're forcing him or trying to coerce him now, did I have conversations with him, you know, to go, Hey, you know, make sure that this is make sure this isn't an emotional response to something else.

[00:32:32] And, uh, because I knew that I knew that Chuck's passing had a pretty profound effect on course. I didn't know until we did the show that that was the main catalyst for him losing weight. And, um, but I didn't want it to be one of those things where he stopped what he was doing. He lost some weight and then he regretted it.

[00:32:54] And, uh, and, and to his credit, you know, he made the decision and, you know, I, I, [00:33:00] as, as hard as it was, I, you know, I just let him go ahead and do it, but I did have a couple of conversations going, Hey, are you sure? You know, we could be doing these things, you have the potential to be these things. And he just, he wanted to go a different direction.

[00:33:15] Carl Lanore: [00:33:15] Have you had conversations with Wes in the more recent. After the transformation after his, his relationship and moving back, did he ever say to you, man? I would have been so strong by now.

[00:33:29] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:33:29] I, you know, he is, he has. You know, said those things, but he, he doesn't, he doesn't appear which thankfully doesn't appear to have any regrets.

[00:33:39] Good. You know, he made his decision and went a different direction. And I, you know, I think it's opened up doors to him, you know, professionally and, and, and, uh, both as a therapist and then as a coach or trainer, if you will. And, and, and that's kind of, that's what he enjoys. And, um, So, you know, [00:34:00] it's not exactly the same thing as I do, but, uh, it expanded his horizons and, uh, he knows, you know, he knows that he had a lot of potential, but it's interesting.

[00:34:10] I'll tell you this. I started, uh, probably in the last three or four months where I'm doing strong man stones once a week. And it was like, I want to get proficient at this again. Not for any competitive reason, but because I think the more that I do it myself versus what I used to do 10 years ago, or one-on-one nationals and strongly in, or wherever the case may be at 55 years old.

[00:34:38] Even if I'm not competing that my guys that, you know, look to me to coach them. But when they see their 55 year old coach still loading a 300 pound stone, I think that's important. But it hasn't, it's not seamless when you get older, as you will know, things don't work the same way. And when I was, you [00:35:00] know, super when I, cause I used to be pretty strong, but, but I'm not that strong anymore.

[00:35:05] And, uh, so it's been a process and he'll come in on Wednesdays every now and then and train with me and he is so fast and he's got such big hands and, and still has world-class grip strength still.

[00:35:18] Carl Lanore: [00:35:18] Yeah, because I remember at like 16, he was doing the captains of crush, like the top one, he was closing them.

[00:35:24] Remember wasn't he, when he,

[00:35:27] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:35:27] when he was 14, we went to, I think it was the Arnold. And he went to the booth and I, and I forgive me for not remembering the guy's name, but he took a number to captain a crush. Uh, and he was, he was 17 years old and could close the number two so fast. He could make it click.

[00:35:48] And then he put it in his left hand and he would do the same thing. And the guy came over and said, you know, there's not a lot of people in the world that can close it. To make it sound like that and do it with both hands. And they're talking [00:36:00] for a few minutes and I'm just watching. Cause I knew what the happened and he's looked finally, he looks at Western realizes this isn't a man he's talking to, right.

[00:36:09] This is a 17 year old teenager. Cause I'll never forget. He goes, it's not how old are you? And he goes, I'm 17, you know? And he's like WTF. I mean, he says it out loud in front of every, you know, because at the time we we'd never seen anything like that. You know, out of a teenager, but West reminded me, he, I was struggling with some of the way, cause I'm, I'm, I'm bigger now and I'm trying to move fast and he is so fast and he's, so his hands are so strong and he said, look, I'm not overcoming an injury like you are.

[00:36:40] And he goes, you got to remember, I'm still pretty much a bad-ass so fair enough. That is certainly less stuff, you know, but, uh, he knows, he knows that he could have. You know, he could have done some things, but he just felt like he felt like the price was going to be too big. [00:37:00] And that's what, that's what it came down to.

[00:37:03] So

[00:37:04] Carl Lanore: [00:37:04] speaking to all the soon to be fathers or fathers of very young boys right now, do you think that there are certain key attributes that you feel that you made sure you instilled in West growing up that all boys should have in order to become successful, productive? Citizens and men,

[00:37:24] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:37:24] this is going to sound maybe ridiculous to some.

[00:37:28] I try to make sure all the kids that come to the gym, that, that are male, that they understand how important the handshake is and that they shake a man's hand firmly and make eye contact because that's our point of communication and body language is a real thing. It's like, you know, behavioral, uh, Uh, messages that dogs give, you know, calming signals and stuff like that.

[00:37:54] Like I'm wagging my tail when I'm about to bite you, or I'm really afraid, even though [00:38:00] I'm acting happy. And I told Wes, you know, early on, when you make eye contact, And you show them in, you know, that you have a firm handshake and that you're engaged. He's speaking to you when you, when you shake his hand, it's a sign of respect and respect is something I've really worked hard, not only to instill in him, but in all the kids that I coach, you know, I'm a firm believer in, it takes a village, you know, we've had that company, your session before.

[00:38:28] And, um, so those were the things in that you always. You always speak in a respectful manner. Yes ma'am yes, sir. No, ma'am no, sir. You know, and that you listen first talk later, you know, and especially when you're dealing with adults and then understand that the adults in your life, your coaches, your teachers, your clergy, your parents, you know, those types of things, those adults, you know, they, they command respect, you know, that, that.

[00:38:59] That [00:39:00] was that's. That's probably something that I wouldn't call it old school, but that's something that is clearly missing in our society right now. So that is something that I've always tried to instill not only in West, but in these kids. And then I'd make the parents understand that, look, you do what you want to do outside the walls of the gym.

[00:39:18] But in here, this is how we do things. And this is why you, you know, Brant that, uh, is no longer with us, but grew up in the gym. Um, he was not a very respectful kid. He started coming here when he was 10 and I taught him why it was so important to no, sir. Yes, sir. I said sometimes it can come down to, you got yourself in a little bit of a pickle at school and by nature of you being respectful and speaking respectfully, it may get you out of that pickle or at least lessen, you know, the issue surrounding it.

[00:39:57] And, uh, and that came to fruition, [00:40:00] you know, and he even told me, you know, after the issue was over with, he goes, you know, now I know why you told me all those things and why it was so important. So that is something that we definitely all of us collectively, um, really try to instill in these young boys.

[00:40:16] Do

[00:40:16] Carl Lanore: [00:40:16] you think that it's more important for people who are imposing and strong to be. Extra respectful because a, we represent a phenotype that most people would look at and think you're a jerk. You're, you're, you're probably a bully and number two, and I have to believe your father instilled this in you, but when you have what it takes to stop a man quickly, there's no need for you to be aggressive at all.

[00:40:41] You can be very gentle and kind. I mean, I would consider you a gentle giant that you think that, that. Uh, was very important to you from your father to you and now from you to Wes?

[00:40:53] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:40:53] Well, yeah, my, uh, in my dad's youth, he wasn't the whole, he's so gentle and, uh, I [00:41:00] think that's something that we, we all make mistakes when we're younger and even younger fathers.

[00:41:06] And as we learn, you know, we, we, we try to, to teach. As our, as our sons become young, you know, teenagers and young men that, Hey, I know you remember this situation, here's where I went wrong. And here's what you need to understand about this situation. And, uh, but definitely, you know, my dad was a very big powerful man and, uh, and he had a temper to go along with it and, you know, so he was always quick to instill.

[00:41:38] He knew that he was hotheaded. But he didn't want me to be hotheaded, you know, because it, it landed him in trouble even as a young father. Right. And, um, so it, it definitely is. It definitely is something that is impactful. And one of the things that I, that I try to really instill in all my young athletes is that [00:42:00] what we do as athletes is a privilege.

[00:42:03] And I always try to tell them. Whether they're their wrestlers or, you know, like here, a lot of, a lot of even kids are our lifters lifting is something we do. It's not who we are, how we do those things is who we are, how we, how we execute our workload and how we, how we behave. That is who we are. And so those are the things that I try to stress, you know, about them being important in that.

[00:42:35] We are, we have to hold our stills to a higher standard. Not that you get a fruit because you're a great athlete. You don't have to be a good student. You should be a better student. You should set the tone. If we work hard, if you give me the effort in the gym, that if you'll give that effort at school, it makes you unstoppable.

[00:42:57] And I've had this conversation with some of the kids. [00:43:00] Just think, even if you're. You're not great at lifting, but you work hard and you do your homework and you, and you pay attention to everything. I tell you, if you apply that skillset to your schoolwork and the things that you're really passionate about, you're unstoppable.

[00:43:17] You you'll do anything that you want to with your life. And there's never a time where along that pathway, whatever greatness you're going to strive for that if you're gentle with people, I never said be a walking man. I, I made a post on Facebook a couple of days ago about let's let's let, the first thing that we do is be kind to one another.

[00:43:38] I didn't say be a walking man, because all I'm at 55, this thing's as big as a sledgehammer. I'll knock you out. But if that's my first response, then it makes me the Neanderthal that people would picture me to be. You would never know that I was educated. You would never know that I was articulate or that I was a musician or [00:44:00] that I wrote poetry or that I've done, or, or you know, that I've traveled the world as a musician.

[00:44:04] You'd never know those things by looking at me, you have to, you have to have a platform. And when you're kind, when you're gentle, when you're generous with who you are and people understand, because one of the things that I instilled in West, and, and, and this was something he did a lot on his own when there was people that.

[00:44:26] Were had issues or struggled, you know, or had educational issues, you know, he would be right there to take up for him. And that was something that I was always very proud of. Proud of him for. You would see kids that had a few issues, many, you know, special education and stuff like that. And he would never treat them differently.

[00:44:48] And I told him that, I said, it's, it's by the grace of God that a lot of us aren't homeless or hungry, or we don't have some sort of disease. You know, we all had gone to school with somebody growing [00:45:00] up that had health issues that didn't live as you know, was not afforded the time that you and I had been afforded.

[00:45:05] Right. And, um, so that is something that I think, you know, We, we should, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard because of what we do. And that gives us a platform where I hope it makes us more pro I would never want any of my kids to be afraid of me too, to be afraid to come to me and talk, you know, Hey coach, I got this problem, you know, absolutely.

[00:45:30] You know, I want you to feel co you know, and that we have that situation, but we, the only way to build that is that if we hold ourselves, To a higher level, you know, so to speak. So, so yes, I mean, that's a long answer to what you were asking.

[00:45:47] Carl Lanore: [00:45:47] You're listening to, uh, an episode of, of fathers and sons. It's this is our second season.

[00:45:53] I decided to do this show because I feel that raising boys into men is a very important job. And [00:46:00] it's the father's job to do that. I know there's a lot of single moms out there that gonna say, well, I'm doing it too. Well, I understand that. But boys take signals from the men in their lives. That's usually the father, but it could be an uncle.

[00:46:12] It could be a neighbor. Um, and, and this is where they learn to be men. And if we're going to make better men, we have to start out being better, better fathers. Uh, at the top of the hour, we're going to be joined by Dr. Hazel's Patera, uh, to talk about, you can test your heart at home. If you have a flight of stairs.

[00:46:34] Uh, and so this is going to be a fascinating discussion. So stay tuned for that. We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back.

[00:46:44] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:46:44] Welcome back

[00:46:44] Carl Lanore: [00:46:44] to the super human

[00:46:45] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:46:45] radio.

[00:46:51] Carl Lanore: [00:46:51] We're talking today with coach Wade Johnson, about being a father and raising a boy. So. [00:47:00] How do you hope some day when you're gone? Hopefully I'll be gone before you, um, how do you want Wes to finish this sentence? My

[00:47:11] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:47:11] father was

[00:47:16] my best friend and biggest cheerleader.

[00:47:23] I think that pretty much. That probably sums it up for me. You know, that, that through the times now where you and I kind of butt heads on ideas and, and where we stand and things like that, that through all the things, especially my mistakes when he was younger, that he always knew that no matter what, that I loved him, that I wanted the absolute best for him.

[00:47:48] And that even with my limitations, that I did the very best by him. And with his powerlifting career, with his, with his, with his marriage, with him buying a [00:48:00] house that I always was the first one to champion his cause. And, uh, I think that's my responsibility. And, uh, you know, so I hope that that's, you know, he, doesn't always, he doesn't always act like that's how he feels, but I hope that, you know, when all is said and done that he knew that, you know, I was always right there.

[00:48:23] You know, I w I wasn't perfect. I wasn't mistake free, not even bottled a long shot, but you know, that I would stand in front of the line, you know, to make sure that, that he was always safe and had, and had his place to go, so to speak, um, that, you know, and of course you knew, you know what he means to me.

[00:48:44] You you've seen it together. And, uh, it's, it's tough not being emotional even now. So

[00:48:55] Carl Lanore: [00:48:55] it's funny, you said something earlier about you look like [00:49:00] you look like your dad now and all that sort of stuff. And all the young guys listening to this show. You better really like your father, because you're going to become

[00:49:11] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:49:11] look.

[00:49:12] It's one of those things that I have written about this, where I hear there's certain things. I mean, I know we're up against it. We're not, we're not,

[00:49:20] Carl Lanore: [00:49:20] we got plenty. We got plenty of time. We've got plenty of time.

[00:49:23] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:49:23] I was about 18 or 19 years old, you know, and I'm a big, I look like a man, you know, dark long hair, full beard, big guy.

[00:49:32] And, uh, I told my mother, I was in the kitchen of our house that I was getting to town and just going to go hang out. And she goes, are you looking to get into some trouble? You know, being funny. And I said, there's no trouble to get into in Manchester, Tennessee. You know, it was a little one horse town. So my dad being as big as he was, he leaned across the.

[00:49:52] The bar, the kitchen, the kitchen table. And he looked up at me and he said enough to last you a lifetime. [00:50:00] And that always had such a pro I used that to this day, you know, that, uh, you know, that, that had such a profound effect on me. And, um, you know, so, and I've had moments like that with Wes and, uh, So I I've, I've written about this.

[00:50:20] Like I was saying where there's certain things that I say now, or certain ways that I feel where I can hear my father's voice echo in mind, like, well, you know, you're like, you know, Holy crap I have become, I know. And it's not, you learn now at my age. And, and this has happened even in my, earlier in my younger days where that's not such a bad thing.

[00:50:47] Carl Lanore: [00:50:47] No. And you know, what's really funny. Well, I was going to say, after my father passed away, as the years passed, after he passed away, [00:51:00] I find myself. Growing greater appreciation for who he was as a man and what he did with us as a family. And, you know, my mother used to say to me, I, I hope you end up with somebody like you as a son someday.

[00:51:19] Cause like when she would be mad at me, like she'd wish she'd wish me. Of course. Yeah. I hope you end up with a kid just like you just say to me. And the funny thing is that my father was. So much more sensitive than I ever realized now that I've, I have life under my belt and experience under my belt.

[00:51:38] And I look back at the way he handled this and the way I think to myself, he wasn't that brute, that the world made him look like he was, is gentle, you know, sensitive man who, who didn't have all the skills to handle what life was throwing at him. But it it's, it's, it's sad that it takes them passing. For us to realize how great [00:52:00] our dads were.

[00:52:01] You know, that's all I can say.

[00:52:05] Coach Wade Johnson: [00:52:05] Well, that's the thing that I keep trying to say to West is that, you know, it's like take, call this in and he like, I'll give you a quick example and I know, uh, you gotta go, but he has a neighbor behind him. That is an elderly gentlemen and how West dotes over him and helps him.

[00:52:24] You know, in those things and, and the, and the relationship that he has established with him, I think is a direct result of the relationship that he has had with adults, especially is that his mother and myself, and that, that is something that brings me a great deal of joy, because you can be big and strong and formidable, but you can also be gentle kind and loving and sensitive.

[00:52:50] And that's not a sign of weakness, you know, and I, I, the, what I'll leave you with is I still believe, and I, and I've really tried to instill this in him that [00:53:00] regardless of our status in life and all those things, that, to me, the most important thing, the thing that we're charged with is taking care of one another.

[00:53:09] And it's the reap in what life is really about is the relationships we have. And, you know, so. I couldn't be happier with the young man, you know, that Wes has become, and I'd watch him with other people. And, and though when, when he's teaching as well and coaching in those, that brings me a great amount of joy, even though he and I are different people.

[00:53:32] Carl Lanore: [00:53:32] Yeah. Look, this has been a great episode. I want to thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. Yeah. This is fun. This was fun. I I'll talk to you soon. Okay. All right, brother. I talk to you later. All right, we're going to take one quick commercial break. When we come back, we got it back on science. And we're going to put our emotions aside.

[00:53:51] We bury our feelings in our muscles and you need bigger muscles so you can vary more feelings. Remember that? Novelty kidding around. I'm just joking. [00:54:00] Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more super human reading.

[00:54:06] welcome back to Supremem radio. We're going to talk about science. Now. I'm going to get off of the emotional ride we just had, which. It was a very, very good discussion. Uh, we're joined by Dr. Zeus Potrero. Am I pronouncing your last name properly? Sure.

[00:54:20] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:54:20] Maybe potato.

[00:54:21] Carl Lanore: [00:54:21] Yeah, potato potato. Okay. Um, and, uh, and, uh, you have just published a very interesting, uh, paper, which is not only, uh, uh, exciting.

[00:54:34] Uh, for people to self-diagnose, but also for physicians, uh, why, why this paper, what research preceded yours, uh, that made you think that this needed to be investigated?

[00:54:46] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:54:46] Okay. Eh, just the background. I'm going to display a little background of this. Eh, we got being, working with this is, can

[00:54:56] Carl Lanore: [00:54:56] you hear me?

[00:54:58] Perfect. Perfect. Okay.

[00:54:59] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:54:59] Uh, [00:55:00] we we've been, we be. Testing, uh, with our imaging in our laboratory for, for a long time, almost 30 years. And we know that this is a size testing for patients who can walk on a treadmill. Um, more or less in nine minutes, which should translate the scene, uh, 10 meds or metabolic equivalence of size capacity.

[00:55:33] We can explain what the, what does he mean later, but, uh, the, the, the figures are. Nine minutes on the treadmill or 10 minutes or assess officer's size capacity. These patients had very, very good, eh, outcome, uh, with a low mortality, uh, for any goals, eh, I mean, cardiovascular. Cancer or [00:56:00] non-cardiovascular lung cancer.

[00:56:01] But when people ask me or ask us physicians, what does it mean 10 meds? What does, what does it mean?  how could you translate that to do c'mon activities to do daily activities? And that's why. We decided to, uh, investigate these, uh, these mother juicing and SSIS, that this is very good to quantify it, uh, by the, by, by a person who simply by, by walking up, uh, some, some missteps in the study, it was for four flights of stairs.

[00:56:50] Carl Lanore: [00:56:50] the average flight of stairs has about 12 steps. Am I right about that? Or is it 10 steps, 10 or 12 steps? Debit.

[00:56:56] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:56:56] It's a debit  [00:57:00] number 40 status. Eh, in a flight. I think that the be doing eh, 16, 20, eh,

[00:57:09] Carl Lanore: [00:57:09] stairs. Oh, you're talking about. Um, uh, in a building, not a whole, not a home, not a

[00:57:16] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:57:16] home  is like, eh, eh, um, so-so in ding, uh, centimeters.

[00:57:26] Very good.

[00:57:28] Carl Lanore: [00:57:28] Shoving inches. Right. Okay. Because in the average American household, a flight of stairs and you know, I, I have stairs in my house and I use them 20, 30 times a day. But for some reason I think there's, um, About 12, um, stairsteps in a flight in the United States, in homes, residential now in a commercial building because the floors are, uh, great.

[00:57:53] Have a greater separation. I mean it's 16, 16, yeah, 16,

[00:58:00] [00:57:59] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:57:59] 16. But for instance, for, for example, for, um, factories could be more. Because there is a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff, and, uh, machinery be doing between floods.

[00:58:13] Carl Lanore: [00:58:13] Right. Okay. All right. So, so, uh, four flights of stairs is the, the, the, the, the distance, if you will, that you focused on now, what, and what was the minimum time required to do four flights of stairs to say to somebody your, your heart is good.

[00:58:36] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [00:58:36] Okay, you can do that. The Elaine's down one minute. Eh, that's all right, because it translates to nine minutes, 10 minutes in the lab or at 30, you can do it in 45 seconds. This is right there. He does late to a time they met or more in the laboratory. [00:59:00] And the thing is to do that in more than one, our have menus because these are the patients that most of them are going to have a problems on the, these spaces.

[00:59:14] In fact, the utterly, these spaces were the ones that cut. By results when we seminate them, uh, with, uh, with a treadmill exercise testing with, or without imaging, we found normal results in 60% of these patients who, who did the, eh, the stairs this time in more than one hour, five minutes. So you had, uh, on one side one minute would wow means, but.

[00:59:48] So, this is, uh, this is, uh, these simple numbers, eh, consult physicians and people who to, to see, uh,  a [01:00:00] problem going on in the industry.

[01:00:02] Carl Lanore: [01:00:02] And, and so you really, you can only do this test in a commercial building, uh, because the average home does not have. Uh, four continuous flights of stairs that you can go on, you would have to go up and down and up and down.

[01:00:17] It could condemn. Can this be reduced to a single flight of stairs? You think

[01:00:22] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:00:22] we did within the, within? We didn't do the, the, the analysis with why I'm flat or was it just one fly? And going down again, I'm going up again. It would complicated the, the thing, I think that their society should be progressive to, to, to, to achieve these concussions.

[01:00:42] So you have a, you only have one flight at home. Yep. Just, just go to visit a friend that lives in a flat,

[01:00:55] Carl Lanore: [01:00:55] an apartment building or a commercial, or go into a

[01:00:58] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:00:58] commercial building for,

[01:00:59] Carl Lanore: [01:00:59] for [01:01:00] instance. Now, now there's a couple, the couple things that I want to point out here. So there are lots of gyms. And health clubs that have stair climbing machines, but this wouldn't count because the stairs, the step is going down and it's alleviating some of the ability for you to lift yourself up.

[01:01:18] So it's not as challenging on the heart. So if somebody can do, um, a four flights. Upstairs 16 steps per flight on a stair climbing machine in, in under a minute. That means nothing, right? I am.

[01:01:34] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:01:34] I'm not sure I have done one of the thing, a diagnostic. This is you talking about. Uh, just, I, I feel that these, that these different, but I, I cannot displaying, um, how, again, how we did it could be translated, right?

[01:01:57] Carl Lanore: [01:01:57] it can't be translated because you're not lifting your body [01:02:00] on every step. The machine is moving down, uh, and, and assisting you. The other thing is she's

[01:02:05] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:02:05] our whole point. We can, we can do this analysis our game, but, but ju but we will need, we are going to need a gym. Eh, no, th that this experiment, we. We did that just here in the hospital testing in the laboratory, we asked the patients to clean up four flags in our, in the

[01:02:31] Carl Lanore: [01:02:31] hospital.

[01:02:31] Right. Right. And I don't think you will be able to do it with the. Uh, stair climbing machine because there's too many variables. The person can wait for this step to come down. So they're really not stepping up. You know what I mean? There's too many variables. I like the, the stationary old fashioned stairs that you have to step up on.

[01:02:51] How do you, um, How do you correct for people who have, um, difficulties [01:03:00] with their knees, for instance, uh, that they, they can't do it as fast, but their heart is okay. What do you think.

[01:03:07] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:03:07] Okay. And the thing is that the, you can do that in one hour minutes for their reason, or for whatever, the reason you are going to have problems because.

[01:03:23] This is one thing, one thing, eh, one thing leads to another is you can eat, you cannot walk. You are going to have a heart problems and they probably, because you have been inactive for a long time, you already have. These problems. And that's why it's 60% of these people. We, uh, we discovered it, uh, heart problems during this exercise testing in the laboratory.

[01:03:54] Of course, this is translated to, this is for patients who, um, this is the kind of [01:04:00] position we see that their basis, we sign symptoms like, eh, chest pain or diviner, and, and this is not the same in general population. Of course, the results in a laboratory are going to be better in general population, but these are patients with symptoms, but the translation between them it's achieved in our lab and the stairs this time should be the same.

[01:04:28] Carl Lanore: [01:04:28] Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Uh, it sounds to me also that you discovered something else and that is that. It's probably a good idea as a form of exercise to improve cardiovascular conditioning that walking upstairs would breed, you know, um, eh, maybe you can only do, uh, uh, four flights of stairs in a minute and 45 seconds.

[01:04:55] So go back every day and do four flights of stairs until you could do it a minute and a half, and then [01:05:00] continue till you could do it under a minute. It sounds to me like you've also discovered an ideal way to make the heart stronger.

[01:05:07] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:05:07] Yes, absolutely. I agree completely. Uh, uh, let me say that when we, when we, we were, uh, we wouldn't shut down hearing his pain.

[01:05:19] Uh, we had the complete shutdown March, but, uh, I, this is this, as I say, I used to do at home. I live in a flat that we think with floods and I do this, eh, You're 40 or 40 in the afternoon. And that's the way to give me a physical physically active, because other ways at home, uh, in the end is very worrying.

[01:05:50] But this is a good exercise for, for, for this, for this pandemic, I

[01:05:55] Carl Lanore: [01:05:55] would say, see, speaking of the pandemic, um, [01:06:00] do you see a lot of people. Their heart conditions getting worse because of the lockdown

[01:06:07] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:06:07] and not because of the down, eh, Because sound Soho people because they are not working because they, they, they, they have a lot of free time.

[01:06:21] Suddenly. I think that people, uh, have a lot of free time. And I, in fact, I think it has been the opposite thing. I see a lot of, eh, in my down, I see a lot of people doing exercise that you don't see these people before. So I think it's the contrary. What do we see in the, uh, in the laboratory? Uh, nowadays on the other hand is patient

[01:06:50] If it's. Uh, because of the COVID pneumonia and these patients may, may, may complain of this [01:07:00] Nia and came and came to, to this patient. These spaces are coming to our consults to our cardiologist concerts. Of course they don't have the cardiology problem, but they have a pneumonic problem. Right.

[01:07:13] Carl Lanore: [01:07:13] Gotcha.

[01:07:13] Right. So what do you want to tell doctors right now? There are doctors that listened to my show. And, uh, do you think it's wise that when they, when they have a patient that they're doing a physical on, they, they, they have them go out in the hall and go up four flights of stairs and time it and say, okay, that's another test we're going to start doing.

[01:07:34] Do you want to see physicians start to use this very simple, but very effective way of gauging heart health? Yes,

[01:07:41] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:07:41] I think it is important because, uh, uh, in fact, I used to, I, I asked, I do this in, in my consult just before the, the, uh, even before the, the, the results we achieve with this study. Uh, I have been always [01:08:00] asking patients, uh, whatever the symptoms they have.

[01:08:04] Um, I heard this bang. I heard these. Yeah. What they were, but how, how, uh, how many steps can you, can you step out step up? Because I take a very good attention to that. Two stairs, three stairs, four, four steps, because this is going to give me a clue. In their functional capacity or their patients, no matter their symptoms, because this is an audio measurement.

[01:08:35] And now we, this is study again. We demonstrated that these cars are very good correlations with a results of the level at

[01:08:43] Carl Lanore: [01:08:43] 30. This is beautiful. I think it's fantastic. And so simple. Uh, you know it, and then people can do it at home. If, if you're somebody, well, maybe not at home, but you can find a commercial building, uh, close to your home.

[01:08:56] And maybe you're someone who has been told that. [01:09:00] You're you're having heart problems. So you buy a treadmill. So you walk and you walk a little further and you walk a little faster. Cause progression is very important for the heart. You, you can't just do this day in, day out because then the heart only gets that strong.

[01:09:15] So you keep progressing. With the effort that you make, and then you go back to the stairs and you test again and go look at this. I was able to do it faster, so it gives people a way to quantify their own progress too, in their own exercise. I love it. I think it's brilliant. I think it's brilliant. I want to thank you so much.

[01:09:37] Excuse me for coming on the show today to talk about it. I hope that my audience starts to try this.

[01:09:41] Dr. Jesús Peteiro: [01:09:41] Okay. Thank you. Thank you for having Mika. Take care. See you.

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