[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Uh, this is a really important show to me and a lot of other people out there. I'm sure. And, uh, we're going to actually be doing this as a series. Today is the first installment. We're going to have many, many installments over the course of this year.
[00:00:16] Uh, we're going to be talking about multiple sclerosis. Um, predominantly it's a disease that strikes women, but it's striking more and more men as time goes on. And, uh, it is pretty much agreed upon that. It's an autoimmune disorder. Which is good news because that means you can control it to some degree.
[00:00:35] Um, and it's not as easy as going, Oh, everybody do this. There seems to be a lot of individuality to what works for some people and what doesn't. So over the course of the rest of the year, we're going to be talking to people who have found modalities and methods of, uh, of treating their own, uh, dealing with it, stopping the progression.
[00:00:54] Um, The, uh, reoccurrences or outbreaks, uh, of it [00:01:00] and living, uh, fruitful lives, uh, because this is, uh, th th the trajectory of Ms is since 2009 is like all of a sudden it's going really fast. There's over 200 people a week diagnosed with Ms. And so, uh, hopefully this show and, and it's, uh, other episodes that we're going to be producing will bring hope.
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[00:04:03] If you're a fan of low sugar, this is the place to get your snacks. And now without further delay, I bring my guests that she's an old friend. In fact, she's responsible for, uh, putting together a round table discussion on auto-immunity probably about eight years ago. Whitney, did we do that? Eight years, eight or 10.
[00:04:25] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:04:25] Yeah,
[00:04:26] Carl Lanore: [00:04:26] wildly, wildly downloaded. It was a very popular episode. Uh, it wasn't even an episode. We did it as a standoffish, a spinoff of the show. We didn't do it as the yeah. Yeah. And it still gets downloads today for people looking for answers about autoimmunity. And here we are today to talk to Whitney Ross, gray again, uh, about.
[00:04:49] Uh, multiple sclerosis. So before we discuss, uh, Ms. Y this is something near and dear to you because you, you you've been diagnosed right?
[00:04:58] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:04:58] Yeah. 15 years. [00:05:00] Well, I'm at 15 years.
[00:05:01] Carl Lanore: [00:05:01] Okay. Okay. And I should also say that. While I haven't gotten the brain scan. I've talked openly on the show that I probably have Ms, because I have all the symptoms, balance issues, uh, numbness in hands and feet.
[00:05:14] That's just now gone up to my knees. And, but slowly it's moving down. Thank God. You know, I'm noticing some changes, a certain level of spasticity in my, my walking. And I have to really think about doing things that are challenging on my feet now, where I wouldn't have to, before I have a fatigue, um, I pushed through it, but there's no doubt.
[00:05:36] Like, I feel tired in my brain is what I keep telling people. I just feel like I'm just tired in my head all the time. And so it's a, it's something that's become near and dear to my heart. Now I have an order to go and get, um, scanned, um, and yeah, MRI. And I'm working with Dr. Suzanne Turner. Who's a frequent guest on my show.
[00:05:57] Yeah. Uh, I am going to get it eventually, but I [00:06:00] kind of feel like I don't need to get it. Because what are they going to do? They're going to say, Oh yeah, you do have lesions on your brain, but I still have to treat the symptoms. I still have to do things that make the symptoms better and push back at it.
[00:06:11] So whether I get a diagnosis or not at this point in time, isn't as important to me as getting on the right path. So talk about your journey when you were diagnosed 15 years ago, how did you feel?
[00:06:23] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:06:23] And 2007? Well, I got diagnosed two weeks before my wedding, so I was. I was crazy. I was already crazy. Well, it doesn't surprise me that the diagnosis came two weeks before the wedding, because stress is probably the most stressed I've been ever.
[00:06:41] Right. Not as stressed out person usually. And then planning a wedding is crazy. So I went through my eye doctor because my sister had gotten LASIK and she mentioned offhand that her eye doctor had said they can see things in your eyes. [00:07:00] Before, usually a regular diagnosis. So an op an eye doctor, that's a good place to go.
[00:07:08] So I was getting numb and in my hand, and I was, I had, I have optic neuritis, so I wasn't sure at first I thought I had nerve damage from a massage hopeful, hopeful, and I wasn't sure how, what doctor I was going to go to. And then I thought about what my sister said. So I chose the eye doctor. Which was great because he was like, I think you have, I think you have myelination and which I didn't even know what that was at the time he sent me to Duke got the MRI and he sent me to a neuro ophthalmologist and I, I, unlike most people who sometimes take years to get an Ms diagnosis, I got mine right away.
[00:07:53] And I was trying to say, I'll get an MRI after my wedding. And they were just like, no, you have to get it right now. And [00:08:00] I was just like, okay. And so once I found out I had it, I would read about a symptom and I would get it. It was so mental. I, I would have a psychosomatic symptom anytime I read about anything and I was making myself crazy.
[00:08:15] And finally, my dad said, please, don't. Worry about anything until it happens. And that was what I needed to hear because I had to just calm myself. So once my wedding all hopped up on then ex I had some good advice for my dad. And it took a while. Fortunately, I went to CrossFit, which is near, I live in Wilmington, North Carolina, which is near Jacksonville, which is Marine base.
[00:08:47] And the CrossFit there. I saw a lot of combat veterans recovering from wounds, different things, broken back gunshot wounds, and they were all doing this certain way of eating [00:09:00] called paleo. So I got into that and it was, it made everything better. I was so lucky to be exposed to that took about a year for that to percolate in my subconscious that I was going to do it.
[00:09:16] But I came to a point where I was either going to go on this medication called Sabri, which is an injected infusion. And I was like, well, let me do 30 days of this diet change before I commit to a $40,000 a year infusion medication. And within two weeks of changing my diet, I just felt. World's different.
[00:09:41] And I, I just knew I was not going on medication. So I got really lucky and I've been trying to use diet and lifestyle ever since
[00:09:52] Carl Lanore: [00:09:52] now, since you've actually gone full bore carnivore. Right. Yeah. And have you, did you, do, did you even [00:10:00] improve even further
[00:10:02] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:10:02] now? I chose carnivore because I was declining and I was flaring and.
[00:10:09] I was so sure I had an infection that was making me flare, but I could not find an infection anywhere. Usually it's a UTI. My white blood cell count was fine. There was no indication of infection. So the last thing that I knew to try was to cut out plants. And I did that and I call it sorcery because it made me feel so much better.
[00:10:37] It immediately brought me out of my flare. I, I feel, I don't feel, I still have some balance issues. I still can't run, but I feel like I'm going to get that back. I just feel very differently now that I've changed eating again because before I was auto-immune protocol.
[00:10:59] Carl Lanore: [00:10:59] I want to [00:11:00] talk about, um, fruits and vegetables that were being told by the government and the media who carries the government's message for them, uh, to the public.
[00:11:11] We talked about this on Friday. I want to put this image up for those of you who think or believe. The false message that all of the problems with our health is because of our consumption of red meat. I'm going to show you, yeah. I want to show you an infographic and this is accurate and all the sources are there.
[00:11:31] Most of the sources are government sources for this information. This is what the average American diet actually looks like. You know, people say, Oh, the standard American diet is just filled with hamburgers and baloney and sandwiches and blah, blah. No, here's what it's filled with here. Look at this look at 12 o'clock that's red meat.
[00:11:51] That's all red meat that steaks that's baloney. That's salami. Uh, that's all red meat. Okay. What are we really eating? The most [00:12:00] of we're eating a lot of fruit. We're eating a lot of vegetables. We're eating a lot of sugar. We're eating a lot of grains and we're eating a frigging boatload of dairy. Now, if you really are someone who's saying, Hey, Diet is causing the diseases in America, which I am one of those people.
[00:12:18] I say, look, man, you look at the diet. That's where the problem is, but you take the false information, the false narrative, that red meat is the problem. When you look at this infographic, you realize you are being blatantly and outwardly lied to. Why? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Everybody's like, well, why would they lie?
[00:12:40] I don't know. But look what Americans eating dairy. Number one, vegetables. Number two, fruit number three. Uh, uh, wheat flour, number four and sugar. Number five. Those are the biggest, the biggest categories of the standard American diet. Now, now let's read, discuss diet [00:13:00] and Ms for a second. So people get flare ups.
[00:13:03] I can tell. I call it. I feel hung over. There's certain foods. If I eat them on a Wednesday, Thursday morning, I wake up. I'm really not good. Like you like your term, the wheels come off. Right? I just don't feel good. I'm thinking it's like, I'm hung over from the food I ate yesterday. My body is being poisoned by the food that I ate yesterday.
[00:13:23] Most people don't make this connection. They just have flare ups and they just say, Oh, the disease, they don't realize. Well, let me think about what I ate yesterday. That's the big number one mistake. But now look at what Americans are eating. And look at people who have reoccurring re relapsing multiple sclerosis.
[00:13:40] They are probably eating the standard American diet. They're not eating meat. They're being told meat is bad for them.
[00:13:47] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:13:47] Yeah. It it's like a combination of immunogenic foods and also foods that spike your insulin. It's a two-pronged problem.
[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Carl Lanore: [00:14:00] Interesting. Tell me about insulin. So what have you discovered about insulin's role in, in de myelination and that's and folks, you can put a name on it, but here's what w what's happening to your body.
[00:14:11] There is a sheet on every nerve, kind of like the coding on a wire. And when it's gets stripped away, nerves, stop touching together and you have shorts except you don't have a battery that goes dead or a fuse that blows you get crosstalk between nerves. And quite frankly, the numbness isn't really numbness.
[00:14:30] It's actually something called hyperalgesia. It's overstimulation of the nerves to where they go arm done. I'm done. So talk about insulin and D myelination. What's its role.
[00:14:44] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:14:44] Well, since I'm not a doctor or a dietary or a dietician or any of those things, I don't know. But I will say if you test your blood and you test your insulin with a finger prick [00:15:00] blood test, and you see which foods are spiking your insulin, you can see which ones you should be avoiding.
[00:15:09] You can. Easily see, and the most interesting thing about that, I belong to this social network called the healthy rebellion, and there are so big on the, uh, testing with the blood, the insulin testing with the blood. And the most interesting thing is that sometimes people, they will test a certain number.
[00:15:33] They'll go carnivore for a little while and they'll come back and they'll test the same food and they do not react to it the same as they did before they don't have those high numbers like they did before. So it's not even as easy as saying, don't eat this anymore because you can't eat this this month, but maybe after you do some healing, you can eat it next month.
[00:15:56] So it's not even nothing simple. Right. [00:16:00] So there's. The insulin's role in D myelination. Well, like you say that it's actually a hyper response. The nerve when the numbness yeah. Hyperalgesia. Yeah.
[00:16:17] Carl Lanore: [00:16:17] And this is what happens to the brain. This is what happens to the brain. This is why you have balance issues.
[00:16:23] This is because you have multiple nerves. Causing crosstalk and proprioception disappears completely. Uh, and it's really hyperalgesia. It's not a parasthesia or numbness. It's not that the, the nerves aren't working anymore, it's they they're working so hard trying to isolate. What am I listening to this guy over here is getting in my head.
[00:16:45] What am I listening to? That they just, they just blank out Robert Thompson. I want to mention, I want to answer this real quick. Stay, keep that thought. If you're asking if I have a false narrative, I just showed you what the standard American diet [00:17:00] is. Everybody's bleed blaming red meat for all the disease States in, in America today, they all say, Oh, the standard American diet is the problem, and we need to be eating more vegetables.
[00:17:10] All I'm illustrating here. Robert, I'm not saying that. That dairy causes or is contributing to Ms. But if you think diet is contributing to Ms, this is what people are eating. The majority of people are eating more dairy than anything else. Now I have, this is not a false narrative at all. What I'm doing is the same thing epidemiologists are doing, and that is cause, and effect has not been proven here, but correlation definitely has a role here.
[00:17:37] Now. I know you love milk. Because every time I have a show you're talking about Fairlife high protein milk. It's well understood by every frigging physician out there that. That dairy is a high, has a high allergen load that a lot of people in America are allergic to dairy, but they eat it anyway and they drink it anyway.
[00:17:58] And then they get phlegm and they [00:18:00] cough it up for hours and hours and hours. When your body makes phlegm it's because what you just put down your throat doesn't work for you. So if you continue to drink milk and eat dairy, and you have those reactions, you are making a bad move. If you don't have those reactions, you're fine.
[00:18:16] But what I'm showing here is. It's it's correlation. If we, if the American diet is leading to diseases like this auto immune diseases almost always come from diet, then we can't ignore dairy in this discussion. And that's the bottom line with that. Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry.
[00:18:34] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:18:34] Well, okay. But that makes me want to say something else.
[00:18:38] It's as simple as cutting the food out for 30 days and seeing if you feel better, like who cares, why it's happening? Just cut it out for 30 days and see if you feel better, if you do feel better, don't eat that food anymore. Or re-introduce it re-introduce it slowly after a while and see what happens. So the elimination diet is so important
[00:19:00] [00:19:00] Carl Lanore: [00:19:00] and that's why, and that's why diets like, like a vegan diet and like a carnivore.
[00:19:07] And even to a certain degree, like ketogenic diet, Have a lot of people who have autoimmune disorders going, wow, I feel better on this diet. It's not because they eating high fat or all the eating is meat it's because they're not eating some of those other foods that are causing the problem. The only way to truly discover which foods are, uh, causing a problem is then reintroduce them one at a time and go, Oh, wow.
[00:19:33] That food and it's as unique as your microbiome. That's why it's hard to give nutritional advice for these diseases, because what, what fixes you may not fix me.
[00:19:45] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:19:45] Right. And also personally, you can't trust, I can't trust tests that say you're sensitive to this food, or you're sensitive to this food. Cause I've seen where [00:20:00] testing says one thing and reality says another thing.
[00:20:03] Like the whatever they're testing for in the food allergy testing may hit certain markers for their testing, but the reality of how it makes you feel different as well. So it's not even as easy as going to get a food allergy test. You really have to try the elimination diet.
[00:20:22] Carl Lanore: [00:20:22] What foods have shown up. In your personal experience to trigger, uh, the symptoms in you,
[00:20:33] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:20:33] the usual suspects, gluten dairy, nightshades, and now plants in general. It's not really plants in general seem to be so immunogenic for me, not so much fruit, but. I am not the most insane. I have a problem with insulin spiking, obviously because I am a little inflamed, so I have to stay away from the [00:21:00] fruit, even though it doesn't make my Ms react, it makes me inflamed.
[00:21:06] It, it makes me hold weight. Like there's other reasons that I can't let my insulin spike with a sugary fruit. No, it doesn't make my Ms. Um, flare so much. So dairy, uh, alcohol so bad. Um, uh, and I think that's it. Planning is not all the food plants, right? Dairy, gluten, um, at fruit dose. Alcohol, all the fun things, all the good
[00:21:37] Carl Lanore: [00:21:37] tasting things.
[00:21:39] He's done it. And so, so alcoholism is a no brainer because alcohol is a neurotoxin. That's how it intoxicates you. Wow. So alcohol alcohol is like taking mercury small doses of it will make you bleary headed and you'll think, Oh, this feels good. I'm high on mercury, but it's, it's, it's destroying your nerves.
[00:21:57] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:21:57] I used to justify drinking [00:22:00] because I would say the benefits of de-stressing outweighed the damage of the alcohol. But I was, I think, lying to myself a little bit by saying that, because the real way to distress is with. Exercise or actual stress reduction techniques.
[00:22:18] Carl Lanore: [00:22:18] Asian meditation is so important.
[00:22:21] More people need to be meditating today than ever before, because we live in the most high stress environment ever. Experienced by our civilization, not even the threat of nuclear, uh, a war when I was a kid. Uh, not even that, I mean, you know, this is we, we are. Okay. So from an Evelyn shape perspective, we are designed to seek out the danger in our environment.
[00:22:45] Our environment used to be the hundred yards around us, or maybe the mile around us. Now it's Kuwait. It's Pakistan. It's like, we're getting messages the whole way. Yeah. So now we're like freaked out about everything, the presidency, you know, [00:23:00] everything. This is, people are living in so much stress. They don't even realize it anymore.
[00:23:04] So that's a big one meditation. Okay. What about coffee? Does that work for you?
[00:23:11] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:23:11] Um, I just started drinking coffee, trying to get more caffeine in my life in a controlled way. I only drink it before nine in the morning. I don't want it to affect my sleep at all. I've really worked on my sleep hygiene. I have really good sleep habits, but I wanted to try caffeine.
[00:23:30] And it does seem to be working for me. So the thing I don't like about coffee is that I don't like it. And once I mix it with, um, um, know or some kind of creamer and almond milk is, uh, immunogenic almonds, I shouldn't be having so much almonds. So the fact that I don't want to drink just black coffee is making it a little hard, but.
[00:23:53] I'm good with coffee
[00:23:55] Carl Lanore: [00:23:55] and, and, and while I don't agree with this completely, and this is a separate discussion that I'd [00:24:00] love to have with you, Robert, sometime, uh, his doctor agrees with him, you know, he counseled him against drinking milk and it's for baby cow, uh, no further explanation, but, but I will say this.
[00:24:11] Raw unpasteurized milk is a completely different thing. And the more people who learn about it, maybe someday we'll have more access to raw milk, but none of the problems I ever had with dairy that I have with raw milk, but it's very hard to get. So that that's a completely different discussion. And that's a
[00:24:28] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:24:28] trade off too, because you're putting yourself it's high risk.
[00:24:33] Raw milk is high risk too, because you're opening yourself to the risk of contamination. Uh, salmonella, whatever salmonella or whatever can happen with raw milk. So there's issues with everything.
[00:24:44] Carl Lanore: [00:24:44] Okay. And here's another thing to discuss about milk and eggs and eggs. There's a reason that milk and eggs are the, the most immunogenic, uh, foods out there today.
[00:24:54] Um, and in fact, you said you can't eat eggs, right? They they're no good with you. Right. Okay. So let me tell you what the [00:25:00] problem with these two things are. It's not the intrinsic milk and eggs. It's what they feed the cows and chickens. So we all know that if a mother is breastfeeding and she drinks a beer, the baby gets alcohol.
[00:25:12] We know that they actually use that for women who have a hard time lactating and the baby falls asleep from the alcohol. Okay. So what you feed a chicken. That it then makes an embryo because that's where we're eating here. We're eating an embryo. What you feed that chicken is in that embryo. We know that.
[00:25:32] So things I would love for something cause
[00:25:35] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:25:35] the egg white is like a placenta and it's stopping. All the impurities from reaching the yolk
[00:25:42] Carl Lanore: [00:25:42] and traded. So if they're feeding these animals, corn, that's sprayed with pesticides that the, the bad things about corn and the pesticides being hyper concentrated in the egg white number two.
[00:25:54] The cows are eating grains. So if you tell me, Oh, I can't eat gluten. Guess what? I'll [00:26:00] bet. A thousand dollars right now to a scientist that takes a container of milk off a shelf and texted food tested for gluten. I bet you there's gluten in it. Why? Because the cows are eating grains and the gluten is being transferred into the dairy.
[00:26:14] This is part of evolution because it's designed to help the baby. Prepare for the foods that will be available in its environment. So it passes these proteins through to the baby. So when dairy and eggs are bad for us, because the industry has made them bad for us, not because they're inherently bad that chickens lay eggs and cows make milk.
[00:26:37] It's because the commercialized production process has made them bad for us. I believe that strongly, now that hasn't been proven because nobody's testing these things for gluten.
[00:26:47] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:26:47] That's true on one hand, but I have our chickens that are eating their natural diet, frogs, snakes, bugs, seeds, all that, and I'm still sensitive to [00:27:00] them.
[00:27:00] So there's more to it than that. That is just like one aspect of it. I think another thing, my experience with eggs eggs are such a bitch because they. Are so they're such a good protein. Another thing I try to do is keep my protein macros up and eat all my protein macros. And that is so hard, especially without eggs, because before I would just have two eggs with breakfast or pop a hard-boiled egg or something like that.
[00:27:32] And then I started blaring and I just had to, if I just have. Eggs, my meatloaf or an egg and a recipe doesn't really bother me. But if I start eating eggs all every day, that's when I have a problem with it. So, because I had the flare, I cut them out completely. And just like any other food I have to reintroduce it slowly.
[00:27:58] Carl Lanore: [00:27:58] Okay. Question. [00:28:00] Do you have any amalgam fillings in your mouth? What about mercury moved? Good. Did you notice that? And so, so did you notice any changes once they were removed?
[00:28:10] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:28:10] Well, it's always hard for me to say what's working because I'm always doing so many things. Right. And when I got the amalgam fillings removed, I was doing so many things.
[00:28:21] So I can't really say, I mean, yeah, it's, I feel great, but I also stopped eating plants and I also started strength training again. So. It's hard
[00:28:32] Carl Lanore: [00:28:32] to say, but did you, did you test for mercury before you had them removed or you just had them removed
[00:28:37] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:28:37] Carson? Yeah. I just had them removed. Yeah. Our town got a holistic dentist who knew how to remove them because you have to, when you get the amalgam fillings removed, it has to be done properly.
[00:28:49] There has to be a vacuum. Making sure it doesn't get in the air
[00:28:55] Carl Lanore: [00:28:55] damn in your mouth. They have to use the vacuum on the drill and there's even some physicians now. [00:29:00] Um, uh, Dr. Suzanne Turner, who's in Georgia told me that they have a holistic dentist out there that uses a laser to remove them. There's no drilling.
[00:29:10] There's it, and there's no numbness. They don't have to use that. They don't have to numb you. And she removes them with the laser and they put a dam in your mouth. So none of the gases go down your throat and they remove them that way. Um, so that, that's an interesting concept as well. Um, so,
[00:29:24] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:29:24] so for me, I'm sick of fighting for everything and I'm sick of having to go to a dentist for example, and say, I want to get my fillings removed.
[00:29:34] And then I have to explain why, and then I have to convince the doctor to do what I want. Once we got the list of dentists, she was like, I do this. Do you want to get this done? I was just like, yes, please take them all out. Like, it was so nice to be dealing with someone who you just under and every move I
[00:29:54] Carl Lanore: [00:29:54] made that understood.
[00:29:55] Was it expensive to have them removed?
[00:29:58] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:29:58] No. No. And that was [00:30:00] another thing. It was not prohibitive at all. I got so much done in my
[00:30:04] Carl Lanore: [00:30:04] mouth. I have so much mercury in my mouth. The first thing Dr. Turner said to me, do you have any amalgam fillings? I, because I have so many, I, I had, uh, uh, I, uh, my mother was, I worked for varsity school bus and so she had dental and I was a young boy.
[00:30:19] I was still in high school at the time. And this guy, I think he must've been a new dentist and he thought, well, I'm just going to. Learn new crap on this kid here. Now he went to, he stripped by it. He went through three teeth zip right through all three. And then he put three Phillip amalgam fillings in like, why did he do that?
[00:30:37] I think he wants to, I think he wanted to learn on mic. So
[00:30:41] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:30:41] are you going to get
[00:30:42] Carl Lanore: [00:30:42] them removed? Hell yeah. Yeah. I'm planning on looking for a holistic dentist in Louisville right now. Okay. I want to take a quick commercial break. There's lots more to talk about. We're talking with Whitney Ross, grey Whitney.
[00:30:53] You have a Facebook page. Why don't we plug it real quick?
[00:30:56] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:30:56] I do. I have a whole [00:31:00] website and Facebook page called neutral scroll roses, and U T R I and then sclerosis, like multiple sclerosis, F C L E R O S I F. And that's where I'd put, I. I started the website because I just wanted a place where I could put everything.
[00:31:17] I read everything I was doing. I just wanted to put it all in one place. And I have that open access for anyone to look at. You can just read about my journey, blog, posts, recipes, the whole thing. And I have a Facebook page in conjunction with that, which is Facebook flesh, nutritional roasts.
[00:31:37] Carl Lanore: [00:31:37] Okay. All right, we're going to take a quick commercial break.
[00:31:39] We'll be right back. Please post your questions. If you have questions, stay tuned. I just had a coughing fit. Thank God. It was during the commercial break. How about gut issues? And now I want to talk about some statistics. How about gut issues? Did you have gut issues at all in your life? You know, digestive issues, burping, bloating, any that [00:32:00] sort of stuff?
[00:32:03] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:32:03] Yes.
[00:32:04] Carl Lanore: [00:32:04] How about GERD, GERD,
[00:32:07] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:32:07] heartburn? I don't have anything like that. No indigestion, constipation, nothing like that, but I was very overweight for my, until I changed my diet. I, I was reacting to gluten, I think the most, because as soon as I cut that out, I just started dropping weight so fast. So, yes, but no, I did not have indigestion, GERD, anything like
[00:32:33] Carl Lanore: [00:32:33] that?
[00:32:34] Let's talk about some statistics, statistics. These are these. Oh, I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me? Hello? Hold on. Hold on. Let's see something on test, test, test, test. You hear me now? Test it here now, man. Test test, test.
[00:32:53] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:32:53] Okay. Okay.
[00:32:55] Carl Lanore: [00:32:55] I don't know what happened. It happens. All right. So let's look at some statistics.
[00:33:00] [00:32:59] This is the U S okay. Notice the line. So multiple sclerosis cases in the U S 110 to 140 cases per a hundred thousand people. If you cut the top of the U S and the bottom of the U S directly in half, I'm sorry. If you cut it horizontally from, from East to West, if you look South. 57 to 78 cases per a hundred thousand.
[00:33:23] That's traumatic. And then if you look at the countries that have the highest rates, Canada, these are Denmark, Sweden. These are cold places where you don't get a lot of sunlight. What's what's what, what do you think, do you think that sun plays a role either in the ideology of the development, do you get into subtle?
[00:33:44] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:33:44] I do now. I live in North Carolina now, but I'm from New Jersey. I grew up in New Jersey and I was a complete couch. Potato never went outside, always inside. And then once I became a teenager [00:34:00] in my twenties, nocturnal slept all day partied all night. And yes, I think my lack of. Like, um, the lack of light in my eyes, the lack of laid on my skin, just the lack of sunlight, definitely had something to do with
[00:34:20] Carl Lanore: [00:34:20] it.
[00:34:21] Here's another interesting fact. It's three to one, three to four to one ratio of women to men. This is predominantly a women's disorder, but men are catching up now. So there's something else going on. I don't know if there's a role with men with high estrogen. Uh, we know that hormones influence microbiome diversity.
[00:34:45] Uh, we know that for a fact, we know which hormones turn, which microbes on and off, but predominantly of a women's disease, but men are starting to catch up. This is a, this is another good
[00:34:57] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:34:57] men. Get it worse than women I'm under that [00:35:00] impression that men have worse outcomes, remarkably worse than women.
[00:35:05] Thanks. Thanks.
[00:35:06] Carl Lanore: [00:35:06] Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for that. You have the best sense of humor. So, anyway, um, this is, uh, this is an interesting situation and it's getting worse and people need to pay attention to it. We have a couple of questions here. Let's get these up. Uh, one day. I hope I pronounced that, right?
[00:35:27] It says your thoughts on John McDougall's recommendations for. Ms patients also use of low dose naltrexone. No low dose naltrexone is being used for everything nowadays.
[00:35:38] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:35:38] I know it really is. I was just talking about it today because when I first started with CrossFit and paleo, I was in the local paper because.
[00:35:48] Of what I was doing. And someone dropped, came to the CrossFit affiliate and dropped off this packet of information for me about low dose naltrexone. So it's been on my radar [00:36:00] for over 10 years and it's amazing how it can change people's lives. I haven't tried it because I always am like, I'll do this. If this happens and I'll do this, if this happens and I haven't reached any of those points yet, but it is the first thing.
[00:36:16] I'll try if I have to medicate or anything, I'll try low dose naltrexone
[00:36:22] Carl Lanore: [00:36:22] does, could load-out now note low dose naltrexone, reverse it, or just make it stop progressing
[00:36:29] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:36:29] just to help you manage it. A lot of people have pain with Ms. And it helps pain. Number one, I would say, cause I see people using it,
[00:36:41] Carl Lanore: [00:36:41] they use it for fibro.
[00:36:42] They use it fibromyalgia.
[00:36:45] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:36:45] Yeah. Yeah. So
[00:36:47] Carl Lanore: [00:36:47] I good. I'm sorry.
[00:36:50] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:36:50] I'm in a lot of low dose naltrexone, Facebook groups. Just always feeling it out, always seeing what's going on with it and yeah. [00:37:00] Mostly success stories. I mean, obviously you've got people who don't feel anything or have no relief from it, but tons of really good, really solid success stories.
[00:37:11] Great.
[00:37:13] Carl Lanore: [00:37:13] What about, um, what about sauna and steam? Does heat help you at all? I love sauna.
[00:37:22] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:37:22] Yes. I love sauna. Because it helps get you out of that parasympathetic, um, fight or flight stage. Like it just helps you get to a point of stress reduction and relaxation that you just can't get. Normally, maybe with a breathing, maybe with a regular breath work practice, but I would rather just sit in the sauna for 45 minutes.
[00:37:49] Carl Lanore: [00:37:49] So there's something else you should look into that I've been using for a while now. And I definitely feel better with it. And that's oxytocin injections, not intra-nasal. You have to start out very [00:38:00] low, very, very low, because it will actually give you cramps. Uh it'll cause your uterus to contract, but low doses of oxytocin, uh, completely suppressed, cortisol and lower blood pressure instantly like within minutes of taking the injection.
[00:38:17] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:38:17] Some people with Ms are very sensitive to heat, to temperature changes at all, either cold or hot. So sauna doesn't really work in that sense. In that way, you could get a non-heated infrared sauna for that. If you're, I'm not sure what's more effective. The, well, I know infrared there's near infrared and I are.
[00:38:44] So if you're sensitive to heat, then obviously that's not a good thing doing the sauna is not a good thing in new. You're going to have to look into those so expensive. Non-heated infrared Virgin, but. I can't believe how many [00:39:00] people with Ms. Don't sweat at all. I feel like that whole detox lymphatic system is just getting clogged.
[00:39:09] It's a horrible cycle of just getting clogged. I just can't believe people don't sweat. When I go in the sauna and I get that sweat going, I really start thinking about detoxing and. All that stuff. And I never slept because I was not active at all. I was a complete couch potato, and then once I start exercising, it takes me a good month to start somebody from exercise.
[00:39:35] But in the sauna, the sweat just comes. Right. It's I think so important.
[00:39:41] Carl Lanore: [00:39:41] Yeah, no. Um, and, and Robert also asks, you know, basically he's asking, you know, fermented foods, does that work for you? Does the fermentation remove some of the things that irritate
[00:39:55] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:39:55] it's different for everyone? It just depends where you are in your Wiki [00:40:00] bot journey.
[00:40:01] I. I love kimchi. I've kept it in, even throughout this carnivore thing. And you know, you only eat a little bit per day. If you eat too much, then you're going to have a whole other set of problems. So I eat maybe a quarter cup of kimchi every day, not every day, but some days. And. So that's not carnivores at all, but, uh, when Terry Walls was talking to Paul Saladino, they have a great podcast called Ken auto-immune disease, be cured or controlled with diet and lifestyle.
[00:40:33] Not sure if it's clear to control, but she makes the point in there that if you want to go ancestral and think of everything as it's not good for you, unless it was ancestral. Even when you look at that. Ancestral people probably ate fermented vegetables and there is a place for ferments, even in a carnivore, I think in the kind of work [00:41:00] situation.
[00:41:02] And I'm a big fan of Kanji and all that.
[00:41:04] Carl Lanore: [00:41:04] What about the importance of omega-3? Since we know that the majority of Myleene that, that coach nerves and really makes up the brain is omega-3 dependent. Do you supplement, you eat a lot of salmon. What do you think about omega-3?
[00:41:21] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:41:21] I had a concussion a few years old and I learned a lot about omega-3 is to, for brain healing for my concussion healing.
[00:41:30] And I did take, I did supplement with fish oil when I was healing from that, but other, I, uh, I'm a proponent of trying to get everything from food. Yeah. And not supplementing when necessary. So I try to just eat fish, shellfish fish, but I've never gotten testing done or anything like that. And another thing with me is that if I don't overtly feel the benefit of a supplement, I'm not going to [00:42:00] take it or pay for it.
[00:42:01] Like if I don't see it in my blood work and I don't feel it, I'm not taking it. Right. And that's what was going on with fish oil. For me, once I healed from the concussion. I didn't really feel a benefit from it anymore. And I stopped taking it, but I do try to eat fatty fish, uh, fish, shellfish, that kind of thing.
[00:42:20] Every
[00:42:20] Carl Lanore: [00:42:20] day, every week, how frequently
[00:42:23] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:42:23] I eat salmon once a week, I eat shellfish twice a week. Uh, and then I eat those wild caught Cod pulleys frozen about once a week
[00:42:34] Carl Lanore: [00:42:34] as well. So I'm eating salmon every day. Now. And I actually, we, we did a show with a fellow who showed that, uh, omega-3 levels influence heart recovery after exercise.
[00:42:46] And it probably the way omega-3 is probably contribute to cardiovascular health is not lowering lipids because they do that marginally it's because they have the [00:43:00] ability to regulate the heartbeat. And when you get into that trouble zone, where your heart is going to get into a heart attack. And your inability to get it to S to slow down is what drives you into that heart attack.
[00:43:14] Now they're starting to think, well, here's how omega-3 is protecting it. Heart attack. They regulate heart rate and he, um, he runs a company called Omega quant, O M E G a Q U a N T. He has a lot of fascinating information on his website about a disease States that correlate with omega-3 levels in people.
[00:43:35] And so I just got to Omega quant tests from him and I'm going to test them. Cause I eat, I try to eat five days a week. Um, 60 grams of, of, uh, of salmon of protein wise. I don't know how many ounces that is maybe 10 ounces or something like that. Maybe it's like 10 ounces, but. It definitely. Uh, I'm I'm trying to keep an eye on my omega-3 levels because I know that in [00:44:00] order for the Myleene sheet to re refresh itself, it needs those omega-3.
[00:44:06] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:44:06] I they're fat there. The myelin sheath is definitely that dependent. So I believe that now something that we didn't point out is that. I run a corporation of family business. I have three kids ages, seven to 13, so I'm managing my Ms because I have to, I, I got a whole company to run. I've got a family to run.
[00:44:34] I've got to keep optimal. And unfortunately I don't have all the time to research everything. What I'll end up doing is I'll read something and I'll decide I'm going to do that for myself. And then the details are gone out of my head. And that is one of the things that happened with the Omega's and pretty much everything.
[00:44:56] I just decide that it's something that I want to try, [00:45:00] try it details Dawn. Right. So I'm sorry if I'm unhelpful in that sense, but I'm just a regular person. No trying to cope
[00:45:11] Carl Lanore: [00:45:11] with this disorder. Yeah, no, I get it. And I, and actually your opinion may mean more because I just realized what happened to me by the way.
[00:45:22] So I take a time-release niacin 500 milligrams of time-released niacin flushing, and it opened up all at once. I just realized like, wow, my whole body's at you. All of a sudden this isn't an allergy. This is. Yeah, I just realized what happened. But, um, I think what you say is more valid because you you're, you're coming from the perspective of, you've got no dog in this fight.
[00:45:45] You just want to get better. Right.
[00:45:47] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:45:47] I just want to be able to, I just want to do everything I can, as much as I can and feel as good as I can do in it. Yes,
[00:45:54] Carl Lanore: [00:45:54] let's take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I want to ask you what your thoughts are about this disorder and [00:46:00] menopause and hormone levels.
[00:46:01] So stay tuned. We'll be right back.
[00:46:05] Welcome back. We're talking with Whitney Ross gray. A website is neutral sclerosis.com. We're talking about her journey in managing her own multiple sclerosis. It's very unique. The journey, not, not everything works for everyone. It's not a one size fits all thing. We know that D myelination is the, the hallmark of the disorder, but even that produces different symptoms for different people.
[00:46:32] And it really is a. It really is a personalized journey. Um, you can turn to drugs like naltrexone, for instance, now trucks on a wreck, your sleep for a long time. I've heard stories about another
[00:46:43] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:46:43] reason that I don't want to do it.
[00:46:46] Carl Lanore: [00:46:46] It was critical for mitigating the symptoms of any disease. If you're growing up, you're not sleeping, you're going to get sicker.
[00:46:53] I don't care if it is masking the pain, your body is still getting sicker. Um, but, uh, what about. [00:47:00] What about menopause? What about estrogen? What about sex hormones? You know, you said before that your, your insulin spikes, when, when, when, when a woman goes through her cycle, depending on where progesterone and estrogen are, she can become, have a very hard time managing blood sugar without she could eat the same things day in and day out.
[00:47:20] And all of a sudden this causes a spike. So women are very unique when it comes to this kind of stuff.
[00:47:26] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:47:26] Well, I'm 47. So I'm just starting to enter the menopause, literature and info and all that. And it's one of those things where the symptoms of menopause mimic the symptoms of Ms. Fatigue, brain fog. These are things that I don't have.
[00:47:49] It just occurred to me that. No, not during the show, but in the past year, two years, it's occurring to me that I might have menopause symptoms. Like [00:48:00] maybe my brain fog isn't from my Ms or maybe my beak. Isn't from my Ms. I have to start thinking about menopause, which just opens up a whole other chasm of how inadequate Western medicine is, um, trying to find someone to give me a Dutch test so I can get an accurate reading on my hormones.
[00:48:20] I went to a gynecologist. They don't know what a Dutch justice I have to pay out of pocket and find I found someone thankfully, and you know, I've got to it's ridiculous. I've got to go find someone who knows about bioidentical hormones or hormone replacement therapy. I can't trust the Western medicine gynecologist.
[00:48:46] I have to. It's a whole other research project. I was convinced that we had mold in the office cause I was getting brain fog so bad. It was probably a menopause. [00:49:00] It didn't even occur to me to make that connection. Right. So as usual, everything is a research project and bringing that up is so true because menopause.
[00:49:13] Here's one place where men are going to have it easier than women when it comes to Ms. Right. They're not going to go through menopause and have to deal with
[00:49:23] Carl Lanore: [00:49:23] right. Overlaying.
[00:49:24] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:49:24] Right. And anecdotally, I have heard that Ms. Increases with menopause, which I believe. Because there are so many hormone changes, but I'm hoping to have a handle on all that with a midlife blood serum testing, the Dutch test, all that I want to be.
[00:49:45] And my body let me know that it's time to like start exploring all that. Once, you know, I've been, I've had a painless regular periods since I was 13 years old and all of a sudden it's not anymore. Guess what? [00:50:00] It's time to go explore menopause. So I'm just starting to do
[00:50:03] Carl Lanore: [00:50:03] that. There's there are women out there who, for whatever reason, they don't have the resources, they don't have the inclination.
[00:50:10] They don't have the access to information who go to the doctor and get diagnosed and they get put on a drug and they just slowly wither away. That's that's the rest of that. And, you know, women are being diagnosed. With Ms. At younger and younger ages now, too. That's another thing that's very troubling and it'll, it'll destroy your life.
[00:50:29] It destroys your dreams, uh, managing your Ms. Becomes the focus of everything you can forget about having desires of, you know, vacations and all that sort of stuff. It's like all you do now is figure out how can I feel better? It's horrible. And there's most women are just being subjective to Western medicine.
[00:50:49] As you say, they walk in his, his naltrexone, it wrecks her sleep. Her, she gets sicker and sicker.
[00:50:55] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:50:55] The now trucks zone is an alternative solution. [00:51:00] That's not even a conventional wisdom type of thing. When we're talking about conventional Western medicine solutions to Ms. It's. Immunosuppressive drugs. It's injectable drugs that cost 40 to $60,000 a year.
[00:51:17] Low dose naltrexone is on the same level as like witchcraft and sorcery, as far as the doctor's concerned. Right? That's not even that's I wouldn't consider that a mainstream. Uh, drug at all
[00:51:30] Carl Lanore: [00:51:30] at all. The reason I was talking about that. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Finish it up. The reason I brought hormones into it is because one of the things that influences Myleene production is testosterone and estrogen.
[00:51:43] And so when you look at, when you look at the role of these hormones, he said, you know, we call them sex steroids, you know, all they are w w we forget that they have pleiotropic effects on the body. And one of the things that both testosterone and estrogen can influence is the, the rebuilding of [00:52:00] Myleene.
[00:52:00] So if you have a woman. Who's doing everything right. But she's in the, you know, she's in the, in the, in this pole with her estrogen, it's not there. Forget about reversing because I want to reverse this if that's what this is. Right. So I'm using peptides, I'm on testosterone already. I have a healthy level of estradiol in my body.
[00:52:20] You know, I'm using drugs that some would consider experimental and I train very hard. I go to sleep at eight 30, nine o'clock every single night I get fantastic sleep. You know, I get up first thing in the morning. I do my cardio. Cause when I first wake up in the morning, I'm kinda like, wow, man, I'm so weak, like wobbly.
[00:52:39] And then after about 41 minutes to take me to do two miles now, very slowly at three miles an hour, I walk, I feel different. As soon as I get off the treadmill, I feel different. The heart.
[00:52:49] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:52:49] Yeah. You get your blood flowing. You get your, um, limp.
[00:52:53] Carl Lanore: [00:52:53] Well, the brain wakes up. The brain wakes up. Interestingly enough, I walked a mile and, uh, and a quarter [00:53:00] with two 60 pound, uh, kettlebells.
[00:53:02] I did farmer's walks last weekend. It was a Saturday morning. I did it fast. It, I felt the ma it was so hard. It was grueling. It was grueling. But when I got home and put him down, I didn't, I didn't feel like I was wobbly. And I'm now I'm starting to realize the harder I push myself. The better. I feel now within reason, I'm not going to give myself a heart attack or tear a muscle off of a bone, like I've done in the past, but I am definitely ready to start.
[00:53:28] I've tested the waters and I'm like, I need to push myself more to push back on this disorder. But I think most people, when they get this, they go, Oh man, I don't feel like getting up. I'm just going to sit here in the chair. Well,
[00:53:40] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:53:40] if you have mobility issues and it's hard to walk, you're going to immediately stop walking.
[00:53:46] Right? The mindset is not. Keep doing this more and it might not be the answer. You might have to take it down a notch to physical therapy to [00:54:00] relearn, to fix your gait or do some neuro-plasticity. But do you think that's an available option conventionally through your insurance? No, absolutely not. Um, I hate to go off the subject, but I did want to ask you, are you still mouth taping night?
[00:54:19] Yes. I just started doing it. It's
[00:54:21] Carl Lanore: [00:54:21] great. It gets you wake up and feel so much different in the morning. If I don't mouth table, I, you know, people don't think that will, Oh, I don't snore. And see, I snore if I, if I'm, if I don't mouth tape, I'll snore. When I wake up in the morning, I feel like somebody hit me in the head with a baby.
[00:54:37] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:54:37] I started wearing a night guard because. Oh, the holistic dentist. I got so much dental work done. So I started wearing a Knight Mike guard and I would wake up with the driest mouth. And I just knew I had started mouth reading at night. And I was like, it's time for mouth David and my 3m micropore surgical tape.
[00:54:58] Then I've been mouth David, [00:55:00] my husband. Now my husband has been my biggest cheerleader, but he had to make fun of the mouth Davy. Now you've
[00:55:09] Carl Lanore: [00:55:09] gotten to part, so at night, Uh, w at night Elisa and I getting in bed and, you know, and I tear my tape off and I stick one corner of it to my forehead. So dangling there so we can continue to talk.
[00:55:21] And then I say to her, then I say to her, okay, I'm going to tape my mouth now. Goodnight. I love you. And then I put the tape on and then inevitably, she says to me, Did you do this, this and that today? And I'm like, I can't talk. You're going to have to wait till tomorrow morning for that. It's it works. It works.
[00:55:41] Listen, I want to you thanks so much for being on the show, uh, and, and being honest and open about this discussion and. And we're going to do more of these interviews. We're going to line up some other people we'll have Terry Walls back on the show. I had her on the show probably eight years ago. I want to say when her book first came out, maybe it was longer.
[00:55:58] Um, I love how
[00:56:00] [00:55:59] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:55:59] accessible she is. Like she will come on your show because she just wants to get the word out. Like I do that. There is an alternative that you can help yourself with some simple dietary interventions and some simple lifestyle interventions that are simple. And people freaked out about them so badly because they mean changing something that is ingrained, but it really at its heart is,
[00:56:27] Carl Lanore: [00:56:27] but you know, what's even more interesting than that.
[00:56:29] Since you say that, the number of people who will say I have to give a bread, I'm not going to, Oh, that was me.
[00:56:37] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:56:37] That was me. That's why I'm here
[00:56:40] Carl Lanore: [00:56:40] to do it. I'm not going to do it.
[00:56:43] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:56:43] Can't live without my pasta can't live without my bread. I, I felt that way, Ms. That was for Ms. I really felt what it could do and thank God I was able to overcome those feelings, [00:57:00] but we has a strong, strong, bold on the brain.
[00:57:04] It is so in the brain. It it, but it is a simple intervention just to remove gluten is a simple intervention, even though in your soul and your brain, it's, it's a big deal. But when you look back on it and you see how much better you feel and you start realizing how simple it was to just do this one thing.
[00:57:29] I don't know. It's all perspective. Well, if you
[00:57:31] Carl Lanore: [00:57:31] love bread, I have a treat for you. Well, you can, you can love it again. You know who Shannon Penna is? Shannon Gordon pennant. So Shannon Norton Penna is Ron Penn, his wife together. They started quest nutrition. She created the original quest bar, uh, and she came, she came on my show.
[00:57:50] Uh, was it early? This no. Was, it was, it was late last year. And she gave two recipes because I want the people to be able to [00:58:00] make Turkey and dressing again, but none of us eat bread. Right. So how do you make Turkey dressing? How do you make stuffing? So she has two recipes for Turkey stuffing, and one of them, you have to start out by making your own KIDO zero carbohydrate, zero grain, flour bread, and it tastes just like real bread.
[00:58:19] So I think, but again, I think it'd
[00:58:21] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:58:21] be. Is it
[00:58:23] Carl Lanore: [00:58:23] egg white? Well, no, I think it's a it's casein. It's um, I think it's almond flour, casein, a couple other things, and it tastes like bread. It cooks like bread. It smells like bread when you're baking it. It's like really, really like bread, but it's not immunogenic because almonds are a trigger food for you.
[00:58:42] You can't do it. If dairy is a trigger food for you, can't do it. So
[00:58:47] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:58:47] somebody good though. That's
[00:58:49] Carl Lanore: [00:58:49] Alexa, this last question here, it looks like, um, Well, I sent pronounced. Oh, sheen. Thank you. Your sheet. Oh, you sheen, you Shane. Sure. Uh, I've heard that name when I was in Ireland. [00:59:00] Yeah. Uh, he's an, uh, he's in Ireland.
[00:59:03] Ms. Treatment is covered by the state under the long-term illness benefit. Conventional medicine therapies cost the state 20,000 to $30,000 per patient. Yeah, that's about right. I decided to change my diet to vegetarian and started. Taking LDN, low dose naltrexone have been flare up free for the past two to three years.
[00:59:28] Hasn't affected my sleep. Good. So you're on a low enough though, but, but as a vegetarian, do you eat, like, are you a pescetarian? Will you eat fish or are you an oval vegetarian where you'll eat eggs or are you strictly vegan? Are you vegan? I hope he can comment before the end of the show, because I think you ought to give, uh, carnivores a try.
[00:59:51] Whitney Ross Grey: [00:59:51] Well, he should wait until he needs to, like, once you start not feeling as [01:00:00] well, and you need something to try it, you need to make a difference. You need to change something. That's when you try it, if something's working. Keep doing it.
[01:00:10] Carl Lanore: [01:00:10] So he's an oval V and that's good. So he's getting some protein from eggs and he's doing well.
[01:00:14] That's wonderful. I, you know, OGO vegetarians, lacto, vegetarians. There are some of the longest lived people on the interestingly enough. Yes. But again, those of us who feel like when we eat certain plants, we feel horrible. That's not enough.
[01:00:30] Whitney Ross Grey: [01:00:30] Yeah. When I started flaring, we were eating so much. Cause I discovered.
[01:00:37] So much cruciferous vegetable, cause at trader Joe's, they sell this cruciferous mix and you can just toss it with some olive oil and throw it in the air fryer. And it was the most delicious simplest side dish for the family. And we were eating two, three bags a week and that is what was making me flare all that kale, all that [01:01:00] chard, all those things that were in that cruciferous mix.
[01:01:04] I thought I was doing something so good for myself by eating all that green stuff and all those plants. But in reality, I was just making this Blair happen. And as soon as I stopped eating that stuff, I felt so much better, but, Oh, she is lucky. And anyone who hasn't tried, everything is lucky because they have somewhere to go.
[01:01:28] If things start happening, like he can up his protein. Exponentially until
[01:01:34] Carl Lanore: [01:01:34] he feels better. Yeah. With egg. Yeah. On the phone. That's one of them. Okay. Look, thanks for being here today. This has been a great interview and yeah. Good to see you too. And good to do the show. Very, very good. And I'll be in touch with you, uh, after the show about your friend there.
[01:01:49] So I'm okay. Thanks. Thanks for being here. We'll see you later. Thank you. Take a quick commercial break. Don't forget. Listen. During the commercial break for. The secret word, and you may win [01:02:00] yourself a box of tasty pastries stay tuned.
[01:02:07] So if you have somebody that you know of that has some good information about dealing with Ms. I'd appreciate it. If you would email their information to on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and we'll get them on the show, like I said, there's no. One size fits all. When it comes to Ms. You've got a guy in Ireland, you machine, he says eggs.
[01:02:31] I'm good with plants. I'm good with that's wonderful. He discovered what works for him. Uh, then you have Whitney who says like most of the plants I eat make cause flare ups, eggs. Cause flare ups doesn't work for her. The only way that we can help people with Ms. Find solutions for. Treating their Ms, uh, is to have lots of discussion from lots of people who have found different [01:03:00] ways to manage this disease.
[01:03:03] And then I hope to have some stuff to bring forward some new peptides I'm going to a full width. Um, they're not well-known, uh, to see what I can do to reverse the symptoms that I suffer from. And I have to be honest, I guess my symptoms aren't as bad as some, uh, I do have a level of spasticity in my legs.
[01:03:23] It's just like the heavy. They don't want to move as fast as they used to. So I'm working on doing things. I I'm pushing my legs. I'm doing sprints on the Airdyne bike. Um, I'm doing things. To make my legs move faster. I'm training heavier and harder in the gym. I'm starting to really come back and I'm not going to let anything get in the way.
[01:03:43] Not a vacation, not a holiday, nothing. If they closed the gym down, I will find someplace else to train. Cause our home gym isn't built yet. Um, but. Uh, I really am suspicious about why there is such an increase in this disorder. [01:04:00] There's gotta be some common dots. I'm starting to think the lack of sun exposure plays a big role in this disorder.
[01:04:07] We know that the closer you get to the equator. The microbiome diversity changes specifically between bacteria DDS and, and Firmicutes okay. When you go to cold climates that don't have a lot of sun. We see the exact opposite in diversity and autoimmunity is, is a problem within the gut to some degree.
[01:04:30] Feeding bad microbes, a higher population of these bad microbes that cause, um, more of an inflammatory response, you feed them the food you eat, they poop out poison and that poison causes disorders. That's really what it comes down to. It's in it, simple, a summary of what we're talking about when we talk about auto-immunity and um, I've been to Ireland and we're going to come back.
[01:04:53] Uh, we love Ireland, Lisa and I love Ireland. And, uh, yeah, gotta love Ireland because the, not because of the climate, [01:05:00] because it's rainy and gloomy the time, but the people are wonderful. Uh, the people are wonderful. And so, um, sun plays a big role, I believe in the ideology of this disease, but then you have these frigging dermatologists telling you to cover yourself in sunblock and don't go out in the sun.
[01:05:18] We evolved under the sun. What are they frigging crazy skin cancer. Doesn't come from the sun. The sun is an unwilling participant skin cancer come from the food you eat, setting up change, which is in your skin that when the sun hits it, it turns on onco genes. And I've done a whole show about this. So I'm not going to go into it deeply, but skin cancers caused by your diet, not the sun.
[01:05:46] Otherwise, when we, when we lived in caves and we spent all day in the sun, everybody would have died a skin cancer, right. They have a lower rate of skin cancer and parts of Africa [01:06:00] where people out in the sun all day long. And they have darker skin, right? Those people move to the United States and they catch up to us in skin cancer.
[01:06:10] It's a fact. So something that we're doing here, it's the diet. And again, I'm going to put this infographic up one more time, and then I'm going to say this for the audience. That's just listening. When you look at the amount of food that we consume in the standard American diet in one year, the largest.
[01:06:32] Margin of food is dairy. That's cheese, that's milk, that's yogurt. That's all dairy followed. Number two by vegetables, followed by fruit, followed by flowers, made from grains, followed by sugar. So when the government tells you meatless Monday is what you need. They're lying to you. And you know what? You may as well say they have a hand in your death and your disease because they're lying to you.
[01:06:59] We're already [01:07:00] eating more vegetables. That then, then you could imagine were already eating more fruit than you could imagine. We're already eating more flour and cereal grains than you can imagine. We're not eating a lot of protein of red meat at all, and even less eggs, eggs, protein, and eggs, red meat and butter combined is less than all the fruit we're eating combined.
[01:07:28] So. You need to pay attention. The message is flawed. We're eating way too much dairy. We're eating way too much vegetables. We're eating way too much sugar. We're eating way too much. Cereal grains. We're not eating enough red meat. That's the truth. That's what an epidemiologist would say. If they weren't honest about it, if you want and say the bad things about the standard American diet, then let's be honest about what people are really eating and it's not red meat.
[01:07:55] All right. That's it. For today, tomorrow is the blueprint power hour. I hope you can join us [01:08:00] live. Uh, we are happy to answer any of your questions about training, nutrition, drugs, uh, supplements, or anything at all. Nothing is off topic. You can email your question to on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. Uh, that's it for today.
[01:08:14] See you tomorrow. Thanks for being here today. And please share these shows, especially these new, uh, the series, uh, the multiple sclerosis interviews, the Ms. Interviews, please share them. There are people in your family and circle of friends. Who are maybe quietly dealing with Ms. And there are things that they could do and start feeling better tomorrow.
[01:08:33] Dietary interventions make you feel better in a day or two. When Whitney Ross gray switched to carnivore and cut out the kale that she was talking about, and that favorite greens MIS mixed, she was getting from trader Joe's. She felt better the next day. Noticeably better. So dietary interventions work quickly.
[01:08:53] You'll find out what works and what doesn't quickly. So please share the show. We'll see you tomorrow with more super radio take care. [01:09:00]
