Dr. Jeff Golini, PhD - Keith Bell
Physiological high blood experienced during heavy resistance training has been shown to build a bigger stronger heart. Pathological high blood pressure experienced from long-term inactivity builds a bigger weaker heart. This study by Japanese scientists may have discovered the gene responsible for this phenomenon. PLUS Vaccines depend on the immune system to work. The immune system IS the gut microbes. Big Pharma knows that the microbiome can influence how to make vaccines more effective. Could the microbiome also be where some children are injured by vaccines? This is a very important discussion. Please pass this who along to anyone who has or is planning to have young children.
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[00:00:00] Hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio today. We've got a really really great powerful show packed with lots of great information during the first of all we're going to be talking about the difference between physiological and pathological high blood pressure and its effect on the heart
[00:00:54] Thanks to a new study that elucidates how heart cells change. In the [00:01:00] face of high blood pressure some get weaker some get stronger. What's the difference will be talking about that with dr. Jeff golini and just a moment then later in the show. We're going to be joined by Keith Bell and he is a scientist has been doing a lot of research into the linkage between the microbiome and vaccines and it makes perfect sense vaccines elicit a response from the immune system
[00:01:23] The immune system is your gut and he believes he has discovered the link between. Why some kids become injured from their vaccinations and some don't that's going to be very very interesting. So when you talk about that a little bit later, of course, we have to thank our title sponsor All American pharmaceutical and their brand EFX sports right now, you get six of the top selling products absolutely free and that's because dr
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[00:02:03] Absolutely free. So you can try them for yourself and find the ones you love and then you can buy them for yourself. There you go. This is science for humans with dr. Jeff golini. Dr. J. Today is day 3 of Zero caffeine for Carlin. Wow, man, how you holding up yesterday? I was really foggy. Rob reddish even said he could tell the difference on the show yesterday
[00:02:30] But today I feel okay. I really do. You've been kind of battling in and out with that, huh? I got it. I got to give it up once and for all my stomach feels better and just three days of not drinking coffee. My stomach feels so much better. I just know that a lot of my gut issues are going to go away when I stop assaulting it with coffee and
[00:02:49] The caffeine's not working for me anymore. I mean II can't I can't start doing 2,000 milligrams a day. You know, I mean, I'm chasing I'm chasing. Yeah, I'm chasing something that's not going to end. Well, you know what? I mean? [00:03:00] Yeah, and you know, that's what led to my early on gut issues was I drank so much coffee and I drink it so strong that you know when I finally gave it up
[00:03:10] You know, I got rid of a lot of those issues, but some of them are, you know, just kind of ongoing and I really equate it to the abundance of the amount of coffee. I drank so I don't want to say coffee's bad for you. But you know, I have some theories I really do but I don't even want to get into them right now
[00:03:28] Yeah, but you know, I posted on Facebook the other day 76 percent of people report gut problems and 69% of people drink coffee every single day. Is there a connection and of course people said, no, you know just. But I got to believe there is I just do I'm sorry might be a good topic man. Yeah for the next show
[00:03:46] That's the next Today's Show is really good too. So you and I pointed out the error in the way we check blood pressure blood pressure supposed to be so important, but the variability of checking blood pressure one arm the other [00:04:00] arm lift your arm, put your arm down the Cuffs too big the Cuffs too small
[00:04:04] It's really nonsense, and we talked about that in previous show. And now a study comes out of Tokyo showing that some heart cells don't get damaged from high blood pressure. They actually get stronger. yeah, this was very interesting, you know, and. I know a lot of times people hero the study was done in Tokyo, but I just wanted to say that the University of Tokyo in Japan is actually one of the leading universities and they have like the world's top researchers there especially dealing with this topic
[00:04:38] So I thought it was very very interesting. But yeah, they found that sells, you know adapted to high blood pressure were thicker overall than even healthy cells, right, you know, it was just kind of one of the points but yeah, very very interesting. So so years and years ago, I started talking about on the show the difference [00:05:00] between pathological changes to the heart and physiological changes to the heart
[00:05:04] So let me give an example and we can we can talk about it. Lots of people know that the left ventricle starts to the thickness of the left ventricle is an indicator of high blood pressure doing damage to the heart the heart wall gets thicker and thicker to handle the pressure but the sinus gets smaller and smaller
[00:05:25] So the area that the volume that the heart can eject becomes smaller and smaller in the face of somebody who sits on their butt all day. Put on weight blood pressure goes up its uncontrolled and their heart is fighting every single day a similar thing happens to to weight lifters, and there's studies dating back all the way to 1988 that
[00:05:49] Looked at the cardiovascular adaptation to resistance training and one of the things is the left ventricle wall gets thicker, but here's the big difference [00:06:00] the left ventricle sinus gets bigger not smaller. And so we know that physiological changes and pathological changes related to high blood pressure
[00:06:12] I've a very very unique and very different. I think what these doctors these scientists in Tokyo pointed out is that some of these cells adapted and some of them didn't but all of the cells adapt when you are in resistance training and why is that because of growth factors and testosterone and other things that are Gump that are coming up in the face of exercise
[00:06:32] What do you. Absolutely is a matter of fact, I found another study that was published in the Science Daily and they were they were reporting that exercise that you could actually repair. The cells in the heart with exercise, right? Oh boy. Now think about that thing, huh? Think about that cuz yeah, what do they tell people when they have heart problems to take it easy don't exercise take it easy don't exercise and you know, I just had [00:07:00] the experience
[00:07:00] I was telling you before had I had some acid reflux and you know, when you start to age you have chest pains you go in and get it checked out while I. Did a stress chest and I was telling them when I had these pains I said, well, I just went and got on the treadmill. I figure you know, I'm going to see if the Bloods pump or not
[00:07:19] They're like, oh no you never want to do that and I'm thinking well, why not? You know if it's clogged, I'm going to push it out. Yeah, there you go. And if nothing else if nothing else, you're going to find out if it's really your heart or something else. Well exactly, but this was really interesting because you know, the Tokyo folks were looking at the the gene called p53 which cancer research has been looking at that Gene also, so it's kind of a specific Gene within this group of genes and this study in the Science Daily
[00:07:52] Again was talking about different types of exercise from weight training to cardio to even stretching [00:08:00] help to repair and grow new muscle cells and I think people people forget that the heart is a muscle right and the cells have to be fed. You know, so sometimes you know, especially with the the new year coming up people and all these wacky diets
[00:08:21] You got to remember you're affecting more than just the outward appearance. You're affecting the inward appearance. I'm not saying that you know going on some funky diet is going to mess up your p53 sales. But if it affects your blood pressure, you know, you might have some issues. So here's an interesting thing
[00:08:38] So p p53 is a gene that's related to. She'll growth and division and when you when you are one of the things that we've learned about resistance training that we all know is it increases igf-1 igf-1 gets a really really bad rap from the cancer Community because they say igf-1 drives [00:09:00] cancer and that's just not true
[00:09:01] Because if that was true, everybody would have cancer because we all have igf-1 but what we do know about igf-1 on the heart. Is it causes heart cells satellite heart cells to deploy and and grow new cells new muscle fibers. And so when you exercise your turning on the heart growth, this is different than when you sit on the sofa and you have high blood pressure and your heart is struggling to maintain
[00:09:30] And what they've discovered it discovered in p53 is that that particular that particular Gene actually influences the cell growth and division and and it's got to play a role and I mean reverse that exercise has to play a role in the activation of that because we know from previous studies that weightlifters have big hearts, but
[00:09:57] They're not weak. They're stronger. The pump [00:10:00] becomes stronger. So p53 has to be activated in their heart. And that was one of the things that cardiologist looking at my stress test. And again, I like, you know, pull the camera over here so I can take a look at the screen and see what you're looking at what I'm doing this and you know, they like wow
[00:10:17] Yeah, your heart is boy strong and big and you know, they're checking all the ventricles and going. Yeah. You don't have the Arnold Schwarzenegger syndrome. You know, what what what is what is the Arnold Schwarzenegger syndrome? What did he have? This guy was telling me something about his left ventricle was actually weak and thin and that was what was was basically causing the blockage
[00:10:41] I never heard of that. So, you know, of course I was trying to get as much information as he knew. So that that particular syndrome is common with sedentary people, right and they call it cardiomyopathy and the left ventricle the left ventricle, but usually that's from [00:11:00] prolonged unchecked high blood pressure where the left ventricle goes
[00:11:03] I just can't do this anymore because it's not getting stronger. It's not from exercise. It's actually getting weaker from being sedentary and it actually starts to blow out like a like a bubble in a tire and the left ventricle just can't. Trapped anymore. interesting because you know heart disease is the number one killer and look at all these drug medicines you go on all of them cause high blood pressure
[00:11:30] Right? Right, and you know, the more people need to realize that you know, if you have these the cells that can't cope you're going to have issues. You know, I hope they figure out the interesting conclusion is they think they can basically manipulate these cells to adapt these ones right? Cool
[00:11:58] Yeah. No, absolutely. I [00:12:00] want to take a break. You know, why because you're lying. Just thought of breaking up. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take an early break and when we come back, I'm going to I'm going to have you call me back. During the break. Okay, because I it sounded like the largest got bad
[00:12:11] We're going to take one quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more signs for you and stay tuned
[00:12:20] Welcome back to science for humans with dr. Jeff golini, and we have a clear phone line now. So well during the break. I was reading this particular study on cardiovascular deputations in resistance training. Animal models. and one of the things that they show is that the cardiac function improves over time of resistance training
[00:12:50] It's the exact opposite of what happens to to older people as they deteriorate and it cardiac cardiac hypertrophy is completely [00:13:00] different in a resistant strain. Animal or human then then it is in the pathological model of a sick person. So hypertrophy is not a bad thing. And and the reality is it's whether or not the the chambers in the heart are even staying the same size or getting larger or getting smaller when they're getting smaller
[00:13:27] This is when your hearts in trouble
[00:13:32] Interesting. Yeah, I mean it's a very simple distinction and the reason I say this is because there's a study from 1988 where they looked at powerlifters. And by the way, they looked at drug using a non drug using and they look at the power lifters and they they all had cardio hypertrophy. They all had enlarged left ventricles, but the sinus size of the left ventricle was [00:14:00] also large
[00:14:00] It did not get smaller, which means that the left ventricle while the wall is getting thicker. It's not encroaching on the heart. It's actually getting bigger. So it's making the nervous space larger inside and they looked at this and when they all stopped lifting whether they were using drugs or not, it went away in like months
[00:14:20] It just went back to normal size. So that is how resilient now think about this for a second. You have somebody who has has heart failure. How resilient is the heart that if it's just a few months it could Remodel and go back to its normal size. So think about the person coming in the other direction their heart is a mess if they just started walking if they just started standing standing during the commercials that the during TV shows and start there
[00:14:46] They can actually repair their own. You know, I mean you think it's such a simple thing if people would just do a little bit of biology research and understand. Like I said that this is [00:15:00] probably one of the most important muscles in the body and it doesn't take a lot to work. You know, I mean we got to get off our but Carl I mean people got to get more active, you know, so let me tell you a little story about me
[00:15:15] So I have to donate blood every week right now because of my high iron levels and but even so they won't take blood if your blood pressure is too high. I have the worst case of White Coat Syndrome of anyone you have ever met in fact. I start obsessing on the ride over because when they put that thing on my arm and it starts to clamp down my blood pressure goes up
[00:15:39] My heart rate goes up. I can feel my heartbeat in my neck. And I tell him this now I check my own blood pressure every single day in the morning when I wake up and post workout. So my doctor said, so the first two times I went to give blood they turned me down. They said your blood pumping through the other arm
[00:15:57] Oh, they did both know both arms. Both [00:16:00] arms were High girl says, no, you're above the limit. I can't we can't do this I said, but I have white Coat Syndrome. I told the whole story. I'm sorry. We can't do it. So my doctor says bring your bring your login with you because you check your blood pressure just bring your brother because I have one of those automated blood pressure cuffs, you know that it does it for you
[00:16:20] So I brought it in there and the girl says. Can't use that she goes and so she she she she knew what she was doing this girl. She goes to me sit down right here. This is in the lobby. Get the blood pressure cuff. Check my blood pressure 137 over 78. Your blood pressure is perfect. She says because you weren't in the room sitting and waiting whirring getting yourself all worked up
[00:16:44] You know, I mean, she says I got you while you still thinking of something else. She said from now on when you come in ask for me. I'll come out take your blood pressure shoes you walk in before you get yourself all worked up. But now I want to point something out. This is how flawed checking blood pressure [00:17:00] really is
[00:17:00] So yeah, you take a guy like me. My normal blood pressure is 137 over 78. Sometimes it's 125 over 65 depends on how well my heart rate goes down into the 40's when I sleep. Because I track him so I have great heart rate variability. I have really good blood pressure. But I'm somebody who spontaneously can raise his blood pressure which is probably a from an evolutionary perspective of genetic gift because I get moving really fast Earth them
[00:17:28] Okay? Yeah, so I walk into a doctor's office. He's going to prescribe meds for me. Yeah. I mean, it's really it's no investigation. No one one test and you have high blood pressure. That's that's what irritating. Yeah. I mean, it's just amazing. So so the reality is there's high blood pressure that is from pathological changes in the body, which are unhealthy bad changes in the body from being sedentary from not sleeping [00:18:00] right from eating the wrong foods from living the wrong life
[00:18:05] And then there are blood pressure changes. I mean look if you put a blood pressure cuff on Eddie Hall when he deadlifted 1100 pounds, you would see blood pressure. You could see blood pressures that you did not know humans were capable of achieving but that's because over decades his arteries have gotten thicker and stronger his heart has gotten bigger and stronger
[00:18:26] So. The average person would have an aneurysm they blow out. They've got they bleed out. They had something would blow and that would be it. So we really don't know enough about blood pressure in this day and age and we put so much weight on it. No pun intended. We don't know anything about blood pressure unless we start to ask ourselves these questions
[00:18:46] Why can the weightlifter have a blood pressure that seems to be high in his heart is fine. Well, and you know, you said something to we were talking about the blood pressure test not to beat a [00:19:00] go to death, but I was thinking about in science medicine is science. We never take one measurement and that's good what I'm doing in near infrared scan
[00:19:12] I scan five times. And then I'm going to do that five different times. So I'm going to take five different scams. I want to look at different parts and going to shake it up because again, I want to make sure that that measurement is completely accurate before I. Make a dispensation on the quality of that material you would think again, you know getting back to something as important as blood pressure that they would just take basic scientific laboratory principles and do multiple tests at different times in the lobby looking at different aspects instead of like you one Testo your high blood pressure
[00:19:49] Here's a script now, of course, you're going to have high blood pressure because you're on medicine that's going to cause a whole bunch of other ailments, you know, right? Right now and it's so what I [00:20:00] love about this study that these folks in Tokyo did is that they've shown that heart cells have the ability to get stronger
[00:20:10] In the face of high blood pressure and that should start a discussion about what can people do to make those cells turn out to be the stronger thicker ones that need more energy as opposed to the thinner weaker ones that I have causing heart failure, and we know the answer already. It's a rhetorical question
[00:20:29] It's exercise and it's not just walking. It's resistance exercise. It's actually doing the kind of weight that changes hemodynamics in the body momentarily a thousand times in an hour and then all of a sudden the body goes. Hey, we need to make the artery stronger because this guy's going to do this again tomorrow
[00:20:47] We need to make the heart stronger because this guy's going to come back here again tomorrow. And it's amazing. For those of you who don't do weight training resistance training Arnold used to talk about the pump. [00:21:00] I mean that's talking about the blood, you know pumping to that that muscle group. I mean, you don't feel that walking now, you know, yeah walking is good for you, but you got to get the blood pumping through that heart man
[00:21:14] I mean and the only way to do it is with weight training. So here's something really funny and then we will close on this tune in this one study. They actually strapped rats into a harness with a little bar attached to the back of it wouldn't a wooden bar attached to the back of it and on top of the bar they placed weights and the back of the bar went into a hinge if you will
[00:21:42] And they electronically stimulated the rodent to do repetitions that looked like a squat and then they monitor the rodents blood pressure and by the last of 12 repetitions [00:22:00] the blood pressure can peek. was higher than anything that they would have imagined a rodent could sustain it was like. It was like 150 over 200 milligrams of mercury, which is pretty pretty high for a rodent
[00:22:17] Apparently. Yeah, and and so this is an example of why the heart gets stronger when you do weight lifting because of the hemodynamics of that are applied to the heart that send genetic switching signals to hey, We need to make this heart stronger. We need to make a be able to otherwise it's going to burst like a week balloon and and doing that day after day week after week month after month year after year and the exact opposite of that is what makes the heart week sit around don't challenge your body don't do anything and and watch your heart deteriorate
[00:22:51] That's what we see today. That's why the lack of activity is a bigger killer today than cigarette smoking. Yep. [00:23:00] It's amazing to me it is anyway, so that's that's that's what the rant today about high blood pressure not all high blood pressure is the same and your heart responds differently to the high blood pressure that you experience under resistance training versus the high blood pressure you get from sitting on your ass and eating bagels all day long watching television
[00:23:22] Yeah, and. Exercise can repair your heart. Absolutely buddy. Tell you that you can't you can you have an opportunity to Medicine up yourself II know a nurse who used to use the comment the the she used to use the title a cardiac cripple. She would say well this patient is a cardiac cripple and I say, what does that mean
[00:23:46] She says well the hardest show week they can't do anything and I'd say to her. They can't stand. Oh, no, they can stand but they can't can exercise. Well, can they walk? You know they can walk but they can't [00:24:00] exit. Well standing in walking or exercise for somebody who's really weak. Well, that's it
[00:24:04] Yeah, and it. You know you even if you're healthy man, you just so go out there and try to run five miles know right exactly gotta get your heart up. I mean any athlete knows that does that's called conditioning people. Yes. Yes ass and that heart loves conditioning. So there you go. All right, brother anything exciting
[00:24:25] I know that you just got back from Ohio. You've been on tour, right? Oh, yeah, I'm heading next week back to Las Vegas. I'll be displaying at the supply side west show at the Mandalay Bay. So I still got mad. I got a couple more trips yet this year. Are you getting tired? Go get it. You know I am I mean I love being out there and you know talking to people but boy, I'll tell you it where he out, you know between flying and then you you know drive and you're just on the go for 8 hours
[00:24:55] Traveling I'm looking forward to a little Christmas break here traveling is not fun [00:25:00] these days is it? You know, I get myself mentally prepared. So I actually enjoy it kind of sounds silly. But I think you have to get your mindset in that that realm so I go in looking forward to the peace and quiet on the plane
[00:25:16] You know, I take some stuff to do I sleep. And then you know I get all jacked up when I get there, you know again anytime you make appearances, but you know, then coming down off that. You know, it just you just crashed. Yeah your tires for several days. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So well, have fun
[00:25:33] Have fun. I'll talk to you next week, right? I brought ya. Thanks. See you then. I we're going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back we're going to be joined by Keith Bell and we are going to indulge ourselves in an interesting discussion about the role of the microbiome and vaccines and it makes perfect sense
[00:25:52] Wait until you hear stay tuned
[00:25:57] Welcome back. You [00:26:00] know, I want to I want to State something up front. Because I I know how people on the pro-vaccine side love to Tar and feather anybody who questions vaccines like tin hat wearing. You know, Looney Tune is my big beef before we get started with with Keith Bell here. I want to State a position my big beef with vaccines is this I don't like them
[00:26:30] I don't use them. Personally, if you want to use them go ahead and do it, but the problem with vaccines in general is by and large because of the Food and Drug Administration and the CDC vaccines are only seen as helpful beneficial good and never seen as problematic risky or bed. And that's because of the way they're marketed when you watch
[00:26:57] A TV commercial for Lyrica, [00:27:00] they spend 45 percent. I'm sorry, 45 of those 60 seconds talking about the side effects that Lyrica carries, but when you hear about vaccines, it's just hey come on down to the state fair were given free vaccines away for the flu. The flu is over and no one ever says by the way, you know flu vaccine carries risks
[00:27:19] And this by and large is where my beef is because I am a big believer in informed consent. I'm a person who believes if you want to smoke cigarettes you go ahead and do it. If you don't care about developing diseases from it. God bless you go on. I don't want to but I'm not going to enforce my opinions on you, but no one can make informed consents when it comes to vaccines today
[00:27:42] And that's because the government purposefully keeps the real information at arm's length. Keith's belt. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me call. So do I sound like a zealot with that introduction? I want to I want to I want to set the table for today's discussion that this isn't [00:28:00] zealotry
[00:28:00] Okay. Well, I think you sound pretty balanced call and and hats off to you for even approaching the subject because this kind of information that you know, that will be discussing today is hard to find and for good reason, you know, it's just not approached by the mainstream media and people are I think kept in the dark
[00:28:21] In large part and in fact, in fact, if you even question vaccines today, and I don't mean like oh your vaccines are bad. But if you even say hey, are there any risks you're painted with a paintbrush that says that you're going you want to hurt people you're going to that. Why would you even do that
[00:28:38] Like someone said to me about today's show and about some comments I made yesterday about. Adjuvant that I have such a big platform in this and you know, I'm very disappointed in you for doing this you're going to harm a lot of people and all I'm saying is people should know all the risks and all the benefits together
[00:28:55] That's all I'm saying. Well, not only that but people should know really what drives [00:29:00] the immune system in general so that they can do all kinds of other things to improve their immune system and the problem is the vaccine industry. You know, there are spokespeople major spokes people like Paul offit who have come right out and said that they cannot open the door to you know, describing adverse reaction in vaccines because it will you know decrease uptake of vaccination and they're all about herd immunity
[00:29:31] And so they even though they know that there are adverse reactions. I mean the government has shelled out over three billion dollars to compensate vaccine injured families, you know, so vaccine injury is a fact it cannot be denied and what I'm about is trying to. Provide some kind of biological plausibility that can be accepted for the first time because right now people deny the vaccines can cause injuries [00:30:00] including autism because there's no what's called biological plausibility
[00:30:04] No one knows how it happens. And that's really what my goal has been to describe how an imbalanced microbiota can lead to a skewed response in vaccination and then we have various. Gut brain phenomena that take place. So I think this may be the first hopefully, you know something that that takes hold so that people can learn about what really enhances the immune system and I like to think that improving sanitation alone would do more than vaccination in improving Global health
[00:30:40] And in fact, in fact don't to some degree. I'm not saying that vaccines are bad. I understand hormesis. I actually think hormesis is very valuable. To leverage, but it isn't it true that vaccines have been given credit for many things that that [00:31:00] sanitation actually ended in early populations here in the United States
[00:31:04] Once we got sanitation on the hand a lot of these diseases started to subside on their own. Yeah, things like polio that's highly controversial as to what really ended the epidemic and you know, but it's you know, it should be said that vaccines can be effective. Obviously. I mean there is some evil evil vaccine is effective, but it can also lead to an adverse reaction
[00:31:27] So my question is how does that happen? And I think once we answer that we can help people to understand why measles was once considered. From mild childhood disease and and you know nothing to be frightened of but some children do succumb to measles so but I want to I want to I want to stop there for a second
[00:31:49] I'm sorry because I'm really excited to have you on the show. So I'm warning you now that I'm going to pull threads every time you say something that is interesting to me. Okay, [00:32:00] the whole premise of herd immunity through vaccination is false because herd immunity can only occur if a mother. Gets a virus fights it develops immunity right innate immunity as well as learned immunity and then passes that along to her child
[00:32:19] You really can't develop herd immunity by using vaccines. Right? Well, you know it remains to be to be seen if that can actually happen because measles is still popping up everywhere. And it's you know, and and polio is in every sewer in the world. So, you know, whether or not vaccines can really stomp out a disease, you know, that that's not as interesting to me as trying to figure out how to balance the immune system
[00:32:51] Okay, you know in order to you know in order to prevent disease. Okay, so let's get back on track then. Okay. So it makes perfect sense. [00:33:00] In fact when I started first started looking at your work. Thanks to Brian Cunningham. I thought to myself, you know, this guy is brilliant in a simplistic way because we know that the gut is the immune system
[00:33:16] We know that that that vaccines are designed to leverage the immune system is it makes perfect sense that there has to be a a cooperation with the gut. When you're getting vaccinated, so it makes perfect sense that people who have some sort of predisposition in the gut dysbiosis presence of maybe some special gram-negative bacteria that they are the ones that when you give them the vaccine everything goes Haywire it was brilliant
[00:33:50] I never never thought I never put this together until you and I got to tell you it's brilliant. Thank you very much. And I've been thinking along these lines gosh since like. [00:34:00] 2011 or so and you know it dawned on me that vaccine injury is relatively rare compared to people that don't show symptoms
[00:34:11] Although even for the people that don't show symptoms. There may be some kind of injury taking place. It's hard to say, but the fact is that the vaccine safety, you know constituency the people who are. They've never really factored the people that are receiving the vaccine as to what makes them different, right, you know, so this is a new way of thinking about things
[00:34:37] So, you know, the problem is the the anti-vaccine people. They want to point fingers at the vaccine for you know, causing the problem and and they focus on vaccine ingredients and like Mercury and and aluminum and and then. On the other side of the coin you have the probe acts Community. They basically deny vaccine injury [00:35:00] and you don't be well and rightfully so because they haven't experienced
[00:35:05] Yeah, you know, it's such a sad thing when you talk to someone that has experienced it and there are I know no hundreds hundreds of thousands of parents who have seen it in their own children and and you know part of the reason I got involved in this was that I actually saw it in our in our dog back in 2008
[00:35:25] She had some kind of gut issue and picked up in a local Lake and then she was vaccinated and then within a few weeks. She began having seizures. So, you know before this I was always interested in child health. I was a volunteer spokesperson for Unicef in Chicago part of an end Hunger organization where we were actually promoting immunization and breastfeeding as part of unicef's program
[00:35:52] And so I've always had an interest in child health. And then later in sanitation and sanitation in [00:36:00] general and then all of a sudden I had a dog having seizures that I took to seven veterinarians and a neurologist. So eight doctors were totally clueless. They didn't know how to deal with it other than
[00:36:12] Throwing anticonvulsants at her and we noticed that she was having gastrointestinal symptoms that were coinciding with her seizures. So I started treating her gut and we're I was able to get her under control. So, you know, that's that's part of the gut Club. That's the organization that I founded in 2016
[00:36:33] We've got a very active Facebook page and also a group a closed group called the gut Club stool test Discussion Group where people are posting their charts from microbial DNA stool test and then as a group we interpret those charts. And then we make suggestions that hopefully are impactful and help people to balance
[00:36:55] Wow. That is so exciting in and of itself. So when you go, where do you [00:37:00] send them? Where do you send them the I'm into poop the audience knows this. I tell people you should be looking at your poop because it tells the story of if your diet is appropriate for you. And so I've been a big jokingly. I mean, I know everybody in the off audience is laughing right now because all Carl's talking about poop again, but the reality is that
[00:37:17] No one wants even look in the toilet and that's really one of the the Hallmarks of of gut health. So, where do you get DNA testing for for poop? What do you get that? Oh my God. Yeah, there's several companies that are offering it. We were promoting to in particular you biome and Thrive. Okay, that's part of the golf club, but there are a number of them and I was going to recommend it for you Carl because I know you've been talking a lot about
[00:37:46] Heart health and there's quite a lot of information these days about cvd and the microbiome and also blood pressure and the microbiome and yes and you know and it even comes down to you know studies about race [00:38:00] and and sex male versus female and that that's important when it comes to this discussion on vaccination because everyone's different and you know, it's not just someone who who is imbalanced from an imbalanced mother
[00:38:15] You know say has gestational diabetes during pregnancy, but it also comes down to sex and and race black and white people for instance have different different microbiomes. Well as it does that prejudgment, so I remember we on a casual Friday about three or four years ago at Lisa talked about a study that showed that young black boys were at greater risk of developing injury from vaccines than the general population
[00:38:44] Is there is there is there is there something we can learn about that and the microbiome discussion totally that's a huge, you know subject. I mean there are others like that we can discuss to like preterm birth and and obese mothers, but what you're referring [00:39:00] to came out a few years ago. It was a senior CDC scientist William Thompson who came out and admitted that a paper that the CDC published in 2004
[00:39:11] They'll mitted important data that was suggesting that African-American boys were at increased risk of autism by the MMR vaccine. That's and. You know and so nobody you know, really understood how that might be the case and that's something I like to harp on because you know of the recent studies and something that I've deduced a while ago that you know, there isn't just to get slightly technical
[00:39:41] There's a higher amount of what are called bacteroides. That's the main group of gram-negative bacteria in blacks and you know this. This might be skewing the immune response because you know that kind of microbe if it's [00:40:00] out of balance is actually doing things, you know in parts of our gut, you know in particular recalled the Pirates patches
[00:40:09] That's the gateway to the lymphatic system beginning in the gut. That's where our immune cells are born. And you know, the bacteroides are able to incite a different kind of immune response than say lactobacillus bacteria. So someone with an imbalance like that might. You know might have a different kind of reaction to vaccination
[00:40:32] And in fact the Mayo Clinic a few years ago. They're still pondering how this happened, but they tested African Americans and Somali Americans Somalians, of course a large population in Minnesota and they've been wondering why they're you know, why why they're suffering so much autism well, Be they tested the rubella vaccine and [00:41:00] they found that the African Americans and Somali Americans were they were reacting with twice the antibodies
[00:41:09] Compared to whites. So that's a completely different thing. And yeah, and so why is that happening? They're focusing on jeans. I'd like to think we should throw jeans out the window for a moment and focus on microbes. Oh, I I'm in complete agreement with you and also correct me if I'm wrong, but bacteria dedes tend to be higher in obese because they are they are better at deriving nutrition from the food you eat and they also, Seem to slow down energy utilization in the body
[00:41:41] So they they shift the person phenotype towards the fatter one and the firmicutes are the ones that seem to be inefficient at getting nutrition out of the food you eat and shift the body towards leanness and and [00:42:00] more energy utilization. And so do we have do we have do we have any data on. Obese children or overweight children and vaccines
[00:42:13] No, but but there are studies that show that obese mothers are more prone to having an autistic child. That could be that could be it then maybe maybe they're passing on the passing on this diversity. Now. What about me? What about me Keith? I was a C-section baby. I didn't get any anything good from my mom passing through the vaginal Canal at all
[00:42:37] I was way too big my poor mother. We know what all called. This is a really interesting thing to consider because it's it's becoming widely accepted that colonization begins in the womb and you know, there are some studies showing that you know, six weeks after birth. The microbiomes were the same whether it be [00:43:00] C-section or vaginal delivery
[00:43:02] So, you know, there's still controversy and they're doing you know, testing even today I posted on our gut Club page on Facebook about vaginal swabbing for C-section babies that. You know, I familiar with that and and so, you know, the point is more and more we need to recognize that colonization actually begins in the womb
[00:43:24] Nothing is sterile and what you know, there's this is something that's really what's called transgenerational. Right? So, you know, if we have if we're constantly bombarding our bodies with the wrong kind of diet and living in a toxic environment. You know, we can talk about various forms of pollution
[00:43:44] I mean, it's people, you know, probably wonder why is air pollution associated with diabetes and obesity. Have you heard that? No, I haven't but I want to hear it now. Yeah, Eric air pollution is is strongly [00:44:00] associated with causing diabetes and obesity. And you know, no one's talking about the actual mechanism, you know, being microbial imbalance
[00:44:08] I saw it. That's funny. I saw a post on your wall today where you talk about the microbial diversity of the atmosphere. I know there's microbes in the soil. Because plants depend on them and that's one of the things that glyphosate disrupts. So there's even microbes in the air we breathe. Yeah, it's everywhere
[00:44:30] In fact, I put out a children's book. I published it earlier this year about rainmaking bacteria there. These are bacteria that are in the clouds that are responsible for basically freezing water. They're known as ice nucleating bacteria and without them we wouldn't have rain or snow. And so you have to wonder what's happening in the soil and on Plants is the bacteria are being wind swept up into the clouds and then they fall back down in the rain [00:45:00] drops and in snow and then smoke snowflakes and and the cycle continues and rainmaking bacteria is a something that's been known for decades
[00:45:08] But you know generally people have never heard about it. So nobody can nobody cares about it that you know, the whole gut microbiome thing is relatively new and some people are still. Learning about it, but it's really a new frontier. We I just realized we I have to take a break. Okay, so we're going to take a break where can people learn more about you who you're brilliant
[00:45:28] I want to have you on the show again. I just want you to know that where can people hear more about you. Well, the website is the gut Club dot org and also the gun club pages on Facebook including the the gun club stool test discussion group that does the best place. There you go. I stay tuned
[00:45:45] We'll be right back with more of Keith Bell
[00:45:50] Welcome back. We're talking with Keith's belt today. We're talking about the interaction between vaccines in the microbiome. And is this the missing link in the. [00:46:00] Of where vaccine injury actually occurs. So what have you discovered so far now that you started to look at this linkage because you're right autistic children all have gut problems
[00:46:15] They all have they all tend to be very food sensitive. We that even had a scientist on this show probably a decade ago from the UK who claim to have reversed. Autism and her child by supplementing with L plantarum probiotic and I don't know I mean I could have been a one situate, you know, one-off situation, but they do all have gut problems children who have autism is what have you discovered so far
[00:46:47] Well, I know parents and someone who runs a group also on Facebook they've been doing things like probiotic enema addressing autistic symptoms in their child and [00:47:00] and then there are a few studies about fmt that's fecal microbiota transplant and that's been getting some good results. But you know, the problem is can it ever really be completely reversed maybe in some cases
[00:47:15] It's you know, it's it's been shown to be reversed by I know of a parent these days who child had an adverse vaccine reaction with some autistic symptoms and he's been treating the child with various prebiotics and probiotics and has seen a great Improvement and then does I think about monthly. DNA stool testing microbial DNA stool testing to check on progress
[00:47:46] So, you know and what we're seeing is a trend in, you know people that are prone to an adverse vaccine reaction. Is high levels of gram-negative bacteria [00:48:00] as you talked about that Cortese and also what may be even more important are reduced levels or even absence levels of protective bacteria. They don't have the bifidobacteria lactobacillus butyrate producing clostridia in order and acromantula
[00:48:20] These are the core species that are known to be protective. And without them you you get an overgrowth of gram-negative bacteria. So, you know it it's really something that needs to be studied. The problem is there's tons and tons of research about you know, about vaccinations, but very but there's not even one study about
[00:48:44] What I like to call microbial predisposition to an adverse vaccine reaction not even one. However, there's lots of science that talks about probiotics and and even probiotic adjutants in development. [00:49:00] And what is up remembering that is a probiotic adjuvant. Well, these are new kinds of vaccines that are harnessing the microbiome in order to to
[00:49:11] Improve vaccine response. So there are so they so they know so they understand how to leverage it for their own purposes, but they want to ignore it roll and potential injury is what you're saying that that's exactly it perhaps. Yeah, and it should it should really be the elephant in the room by now, you know, and but there's not one paper published about adverse vaccine reaction associated with
[00:49:36] And what we have one coming out actually it's a it's a brief paper describing are. Our promise and we're working with laboratory. That's at Virginia Tech. There's a scientist there Li Zhong Yuan who's done a lot of work in her what's called gnotobiotic Pig laboratory and we have a patron page [00:50:00] for the microbiome vaccine Safety project
[00:50:03] We're trying to raise funds to be able to conduct This research. We need about 250 thousand dollars to get the preliminary data together in order to then. For NIH funding but what what her Laboratories doing and there are few other labs like this in the world. They use pigs that are germ-free and implant human microbes into those pigs and then test various vaccines in order to simulate a human body
[00:50:33] They instead they're using pigs, right? Yeah, and and so they, you know proven the protective. Aspect of say lactobacillus bacteria in preventing rotavirus injury intestinal injury. But no one's taking it a step further and factored the gut brain axis and there's tons and tons of literature about about various Pathways for [00:51:00] how the gut affects the brain and you know, it's time that that the vaccine industry gets
[00:51:08] And starts putting some money into this and begin to factor the fact that babies are born colonized, you know and yet our vaccine protocol. The CDC protocol is to vaccinate within eight hours of birth in complete and utter disregard of microbes that are present at time of vaccination. And this is why you can't vaccinate a preterm infant it used to be they were vaccinated as if they were, you know full term
[00:51:35] That was just a few years ago then. Fairly silently the CDC changed that when it was recognized that preterm babies were more prone to adverse vaccine reaction. And and you know, if you were to factor all of the studies now that have been published about preterm births associated with gram-negative bacteria overgrowth, then you start to put two and [00:52:00] two together
[00:52:01] So, you know, we're trying to raise money to do the research to to. Straight how microbes can be possibly associated with adverse vaccine reactions. How can people if people want to donate you I'm sure you have where can they go? Well, we've got a link on the gut Club dot-org at the top of the page to the patreon microbiome vaccine Safety project
[00:52:29] I'm going and they can also search it out on patreon. But this is a tough sell because first of all as you say, you know, the microbiome in general is new to everybody and and everyone just wants to point the finger at the vaccine for causing damage and no one's factoring the individual receiving the vaccine well, but I don't understand why it's A Hard Sell when you just said that the vaccine industry itself is leveraging the microbiome to use these adjuvants that stimulate the microbiome
[00:52:59] To make [00:53:00] the vaccines more effective. So they obviously they obviously feel like that its value. I was just trying to go to your website. I'm sorry. I'm distracted. They obviously recognize the role of the microbiome in the success of these vaccines working surely. It's a very short extrapolation to think well, maybe something about the microbiome is making kids get hurt
[00:53:28] In certain cases Carl, you're the first show. I think that you know, you know actually the second but the first show that's really widely heard. We're actually where we're talking about this so we need to get the word out in order to educate people and and maybe just maybe it will give people more confidence to choose not to vaccinate if they're interested in going that route, but they need to have a choice, you know, and then well there's another thing that can be done to right
[00:53:54] So once we identify let's say we had we do identify the children with high levels of bacteria dedes. Let's say it's that [00:54:00] simple right then then we can do something we can either modify a vaccine or. We could wait until the child's gut diversity changes by influencing their gut diversity with with probiotics or you know, there's even some very valuable
[00:54:19] I'm am not an antibiotic guy, but there's some very valuable antibiotics out there that only work inside the gut they're not delivered systemically. They only affect like gram-negative bacteria like in the case of sibo. There's a there's a drug called sigh Faxon. Yeah, and it was originally if you went overseas and you ate the food and you got diarrhea you took one or two of these one or two days in a row and you will you will fix you all better
[00:54:49] Well if you take Sy vaccine for 14 days it will. Eliminate all the gram-negative bacteria from your small intestine. Only your small intestine. In fact, it even [00:55:00] runs out of steam when it gets to the large intestine. It stays contained. It doesn't get delivered anywhere else in the body. There are valuable drugs out there that could be leveraged right now and we say, hey we have to this, you know, you know when you have
[00:55:12] Have had heart surgery and you go to the dentist. He gives you a prophylactic dose of antibiotics it take before you come in and have your teeth fixed. They could do the same thing. The kids are all gram-negative. We got to give this kid this this and that before we give him his vaccines they could do because that's simple
[00:55:27] Well, you know what? I wish it were that simple, but you know, I'll I have a little adage that you can't kill your way to good health. Because sure you can kill the bad guys, but you won't have the good guys there unless you had them. Okay, and and they're the ones that are regulating immune response
[00:55:44] So, you know bifidobacteria are there like the Rolls-Royce of the microbiome? It's been shown that healthy breast fed into can have at 80% bifidobacteria, but when you become an adult it's you know, You know less than five percent. So, [00:56:00] you know, I shamelessly have to plug something. I designed the protein supplement three years ago called Thrive that is built around human breast milk
[00:56:09] It doesn't use human breast milk, you use this cow's milk, but the ratios of way to casing the presence of bifidobacteria as one of the probiotics in it and all these other things and because I learned that when I studied human breast milk that bifidobacteria was gold. Right, right. Are you familiar with to FL
[00:56:27] Is that in your in your product? No, I don't know what that is, but I can put it in. What is qfl check it out. It's you know something that's I think it's in one baby formula now an infant formula but people are using it who are genetically deficient will not I shouldn't say the fishing but their genetics are such that they're not able to feed bifidobacteria
[00:56:49] And so they're they're taking this Prebiotic even as adults. It's a large component of breast milk, but there are many other the [00:57:00] oligosaccharides that are part of breast milk that feeds the protective bacteria. Right? Right. But in fact, that's the only reason why there's oligosaccharides in it and not for the baby therefore the there for the microbes and not only that but it was recently published that those prebiotics are in the womb
[00:57:15] So it's like breastfeeding in the womb. Wow. Yeah, that's brand new hot off the press so that's fascinating. So and so when some so if you get funded for this study, you do this study and you show a clear link like every kid who you know, we mapped in microbiome and every kid that had a you know, this this type of a gun was fine every kid that had this type of God had an adverse reaction
[00:57:41] Then where does it pharmaceutical industry go they're going to not vaccinate some kids and vaccinate some kids. What's the answer? Well, you know, it's interesting. I I'd like to see a time when it's you know, just commonly, you know, it's routine that all newborns have some microbial DNA stool tests [00:58:00] and and also their mother's during pregnancy because then we'll know what's being passed on to the baby and
[00:58:10] So that that information should be available prior to vaccination so that people can make a decision it it might this potential for a simple stool test, which is pretty inexpensive these days to be, you know to give us the ability to assess the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction. So everyone should be tested at Birth
[00:58:34] And in fact as part of our safety project, we'd like to have a hospital partner to demonstrate this. So we're at the beginning of our journey. Hopefully, we'll get some things done in my lifetime. Yeah, obviously, yeah, isn't it sad that it has to be that way like in your lifetime you would think that the medical offered oxy would jumping it would be jumping at opportunities [00:59:00] to
[00:59:00] To unravel this mystery and find a solution for it. But they work under the assumption of the greater good right? Whatever is good for the great the greater good so your child may suffer but most kids don't and so for them. Your child has to be sacrificed. It's really very very sad when you think about it
[00:59:20] Yeah, and you know, they're not willing to even do the research to. Describe the biological plausibility of an adverse effects seen reaction. So, you know, they they come right out and say, you know, there is no biological plausibility, but there's plenty when you factor the gut brain connection now the gut brain connection is interesting because I think a lot of people still don't put two and two together
[00:59:45] They imagine nerves going from the gut up to the brain, but the reality is that the gut talks to the brain. Through the things that the microbes in the gut Express or to be more appropriate poop out and so the chemicals that the [01:00:00] microbes in your gut poop out send signals to the brain and it's why people crave things that are not in their health best interest to eat because the microbes don't care that it's killing you they're hungry
[01:00:12] Is it that a isn't that an over simplified explanation of the gut brain? That's that's exactly what you're talking about metabolites of microbes and you know, people are not giving microbes the credit they deserve if you were to talk to people about amino acids, for instance, you know, and the regulation of amino acid levels
[01:00:37] In the body being, you know, you know being a matter of microbial synthesis and degradation of amino acids. They would look at you like you're crazy but there's tons of evidence that shows this and these and these amino acids are the precursors to neurotransmitters. So you have amino acids like tryptophan which by the way [01:01:00] is inhibited
[01:01:01] Bye-bye glyphosate that's another another show. No, it's not another show cuz I'm going to when we took come to take the break. I want to Circle back around and work and massage the whole discussion about the bacteria the microbes in the soil the microbes in the sky and our microbes because I want to come back around and glyphosate going to be part of that discussion
[01:01:22] But go ahead. I'm sorry. Okay. Well, I like to focus on microbial. Synthesis and degradation of in particular B vitamins and also amino acids right how that relates to the brain. I mean it was recently shown just a few months ago that the ketogenic diet was taking care of seizure disorders by way of microbes, you know, so it's not just it's not just about ketones really only we back up please elaborate on that show
[01:01:55] I always thought the Ketone discussion within the context of the [01:02:00] ketogenic diet. I'm sorry the microbe discussion within the context of the ketogenic diet. Was that microbes in the gut produce butyrate and those that butyrate then creates ketones and it's the ketones working the magic on the brain and seizures, but you're saying that's not completely the whole
[01:02:18] Well, no, there's a lot to do with with amino acids and and and the science I have to brush up on it myself, but it has to do with how microbes are leading toward the production of Gaba which calms the brain right? So yeah, there's a lot more to it than ketones interest. Yeah, I like to think that the ketogenic diet industry is in for a surprise
[01:02:42] The same is true of the Celiac industry and the gluten-free diet. That's also really about microbes. It's not about gluten. Well, okay, wait, wait wait now you when you say these things you got to you got to give me something to understand. How is that how I thought it was just the gluten getting into the [01:03:00] bloodstream and being attacked by the immune system
[01:03:02] That that was causing the problem for these people to be so elaborate on your statement. Well, there are several papers about celiac disease that show gut dysbiosis mainly its high. So, you know that you know whether or not that's causal is something you have to choose to believe at this point because a lot of people think that you know, the the autoimmunity, you know, the the autoimmune condition can shift flora
[01:03:33] And so that's that Flora shift is a result of the condition not the cause but but I think there's enough evidence to show that there that microbes are causal. You know, you're going to find some debate there, but you know, I think that anyone with celiac disease if they focused on microbial balance rather than just removing gluten
[01:03:58] You know just a few years [01:04:00] ago called the Celiac Industries shunned use of probiotics. They wouldn't they wouldn't dream of using probiotics and celiac disease. But you know, that was when you know people thought everything was sterile and so we have and still were battling. What I believe is a sterile construct of hell
[01:04:19] In general we need to get people aware that we're basically the equivalent of walking compost heaps. And I mean, let's let's talk from a Halloween perspective. Happy Halloween by the way, you know the same to you. Thank you, you know, there's a there's a philosophical argument that we're basically biochemical puppets, you know of all my critics
[01:04:41] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, so I think I said I said I said to dr. Daniel Lieberman. On the show when we had them on to talk about his book The Story of the human human body. I said, I've come to the conclusion that our microbes needed a way to ambulate. [01:05:00] So they we have legs and then they needed a way to be able to pick things and put them in our mouth and masticate them so that they could you know, we we really are here
[01:05:09] At the beck and call of our microbes and they influence how we think they influence our health. They influence the foods. We want to eat that We crave and so really who's in charge. I think it's the gut the guts in charge. Yeah, maybe so I mean I it's it's an interesting conversation just to think that we already are wearing our Halloween costumes
[01:05:32] Yeah, yeah, and also, you know mitochondria were once bacteria and salt to become human that's in his interesting discussion as well. You know, and I know what you know, what else I listened I learned because I'm a big fan of blankest. You can actually get everything you want from a book in 15 minutes with blankets blankets.com forward slash superhuman
[01:05:52] They have a free 7-Day trial. I had to throw this in there because I learned from listening to his one of the books on blankets the other day that [01:06:00] animal cells and plant cells. Added some evolutionary point where exactly the same but plant cells were infected by chlorophyll which was a bacteria and then they became plants so it you know, everything we have on us we kind of picked up by accident, you know, a mother's like wash your hands, you know wash your hands no, no, no actually something good may come from it
[01:06:22] You never know. Look at we are the we are the composite of all the crap that we've slid it through throughout history throughout evolution. Yeah, and and and you're probably already familiar with this but I always find it fascinating when people compare chlorophyll with with human blood and it's the same structure except at the center of chlorophyll is magnesium and at the center of human blood is iron
[01:06:47] Yes. Yes, so that Splat blood isn't that amazing? I mean, this is look we I want to take a break when we come back. I want to Circle back around. And I want to talk about [01:07:00] how the bacteria in our environment in our soil and in our atmosphere is influencing our bacteria and if there if there is any connection stay tuned we'll be right back with more superhuman radio
[01:07:14] Welcome back. We're talking with Keith Bell. We're talking about the microbiome. and vaccines. It's really this is this is a groundbreaking discussion. In fact, I was just texting with Ron pen. The main founder of Quest Nutrition because he's so interested in this kind of stuff told him I'd send them the link right after the show is over
[01:07:36] This is this is really, you know, I'm listening to them thinking how do I get this show out to more people how to more people hear this show because this is a really important discussion. It should be on a major Network. It should be reaching 11 million people at a time. Because this is a big deal folks
[01:07:57] We know that there are [01:08:00] vaccine injuries going on. It's undeniable and we can stick our heads in the sand and act like it's not happening until happens to one of our children or a friend of ours or a relative of ours, but this isn't this this needs to be understood and we need to be looking at the Y
[01:08:18] As Keith is talking about like why isn't anyone going Qi why is it that the kids who don't get injured get don't get injured and why is it the kids that do do? Why is it that we know that the measles vaccine was that the MMR? Yeah. That's it. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccine harms young black male children more why it why are they having such high autism rates in this population in Minnesota
[01:08:46] Of if yo, is it Ethiopians know? What did you say before Molly and Somalians? Thank you, you know like like it's all we have all we have today when it comes to [01:09:00] vaccines is. A constant message from the medical officer. Dr. Through the media through advertising that vaccines are only good only good and if you are if you are
[01:09:12] Stupid enough to challenge that notion you you're stripped of any sensibility. You must be an idiot, you know people people and the irony is this one person who I really like she's a great girl and and I'm not picking on her, but when she said she was so disappointed. So what I posted was that dr
[01:09:35] Thomas Cowan was on my show and he talked about the that the one of the biggest problems with vaccines is the adjuvant and the reason he submits is and it makes perfect sense. You don't have to be a scientist an adjuvant like aluminum causes the body to mount an immune response. So let's say you and we're going to come back and we're going to talk about the microbiome and the soil and the air in a second, but I want to get [01:10:00] this out
[01:10:01] So the adjuvant causes the body to mount an immune response widespread mutant immune response not selective. So if you're getting a flu vaccine. And it's flu strain zero six, five three, three two one and there's an attenuated virus in there are dead virus in there. And then there's this aluminum in this all this other crap in there and they inject you that the aluminum wakes up the immune system widespread on a total scale
[01:10:30] It doesn't say just wake up the part of the immune system that we want to learn how to be immune to this. Strain of the flu. It says wake up the immune system. It's the equivalent of someone going in to rob a bank and we deploy the military. Right. We don't deploy the local police that can handle this two cops in a car
[01:10:53] Boom. No, we send tanks. We said airfare we start launching missiles because of this bank robbery. This is [01:11:00] the equivalent of what an adjuvant does and dr. Cowan said very sensibly. He said we need to understand this because this could be the root of the growing population of autoimmunity and aren't in our country today that the immune system is being awakened and it is being told that they're invade there's an invasion and it's and it sees that virus strain but also sees peanuts and also sees
[01:11:26] This also sees that and then all of a sudden it says hey, we need to have immunity to all these things not just that flu vaccine and next thing you know. Oh man, every time I eat this I my stomach is killing me. I get rash I get so he said a very sensible thing. He said adjuvants activate the immune system widespread not selectively and we need to understand this better and I posted that up
[01:11:55] Basically, and I was told by a person who doesn't have any immunity [01:12:00] immune ology. She told me that I failed first semester Immunology. I says, oh I didn't know that you were an immunologist. No. No, I'm not like why would you even say something? This is the problem folks people. So cocksure that vaccines are only safe because that's all they hear from Walgreens and and and from CVS and from their doctor and from there
[01:12:24] They're News newspaper and from their TV that anybody who says anything else is just an idiot and you know what? We're not idiots. You're an idiot. If you think you can inject something in your body and there isn't some personal population. It's going to respond poorly to it. That's a given. That's a given
[01:12:42] Okay, that's my rant if you want to add to that or or correct me feel free to but well, you know, that's a good rant the you know, the fact is that probably a more powerful adjuvant than aluminum is [01:13:00] actually microbes microbiota and and that's been shown, you know with outer membrane vesicle research
[01:13:07] That's the the outer portion of microbiota. Being developed as vaccine adjuvant. So and and you know the paper that I reg demonstrated that that there was a greater immune response than than the aluminum adjuvant and you know that if you can also talk about this from the other side of the coin instead of focusing on
[01:13:34] You know on the adjuvant sand and all the vaccine ingredients, there's also research showing that lactobacilli bacteria. They are able to reduce aluminum in the brain. So. You know what if it's possible that that a child that with reduced lactobacillus bacteria has more of a problem with what is the aluminum injection then a [01:14:00] child that has the ability to process that aluminum and the same can be said of mercury
[01:14:05] This is not really factored. But in our environment Mercury toxicity is based on conversion of mercury to occur to its toxic form by microbes. That's how our Wildlife is being killed by Mercury and and Wildlife knows where to feed on fish egg. They can they can somehow sense where the microbes are that are causing the Mercury toxicity
[01:14:29] Really? Yeah. So so what's happening, you know in our gut is in terms of heavy metals is based on bioremediation by by microbes. That's amazing. That is amazing. I want to talk about the environment for a second. So do we do obviously our microbiome has been changing for hundreds and hundreds of years because of our environment and the foods we eat that the chemicals were exposed to and [01:15:00] we know that glyphosate is a very very weak antibiotic but a strong antimicrobial and that's how it kills weeds
[01:15:09] It disrupts this shikimate pathway that we thought we didn't have but it turns out that some of our microbes actually have in our gut and so one of the things that flashed into my mind when you said, you know, and the rain brings the microbes down they go into the soil they evaporate back up and they go back in the air and this is cycle
[01:15:30] We know that glyphosate lasts a lot longer than they said it does they're finding it in soil. That's the 10 years old now, so. What's happening with the glyphosate that evaporates into the atmosphere and then comes back down? Yeah, that's a very good question. And what about the glyphosate that's in our in our intestines
[01:15:51] And you know, what what happens with glyphosate is that it's it just so [01:16:00] happens that the most sensitive microbes to glyphosate. Our most protective bacteria. In fact bifidobacteria were found to be the most sensitive to glyphosate. Really. Yeah. And so that's pretty shocking when you consider bifidobacteria are supposed to be up to 80% of the healthy breastfed infant gut so that that's reducing our most protective bacterium, but it's also inhibiting the family of rainmaking bacteria and
[01:16:33] What the way it the way glyphosate works is it's inhibiting amino acid biosynthesis in Plants, right aromatic amino acids. And you know, that's you know, that includes tryptophan phenyl alanine and tyrosine. So, you know, what we have to focus on is the fact that our microbes are also responsible for producing those aromatic amino acids [01:17:00] may also use
[01:17:02] They're sharing the pool. It's not just dietary amino acids, you know more and more. I'm seeing that there's greater. There should be greater importance placed on microbial synthesis and degradation of amino acids. So, you know with with with rainmaking bacteria if it's inhibiting and killing those soil microbes
[01:17:26] Then not only is it degrading soil and inhibiting the ability of soil to you know to take carbon and and sequester carbon so that right there is joining the microbial issue with climate change. I was just going to say that I know I know how we can get people on our side. Now what we have to say
[01:17:49] It's affecting climate change. There you go. Yeah, so, you know, so it also makes you wonder what's happening is they're dysbiosis in the clouds. [01:18:00] And one of my favorite things analogies that I heard is, you know when we're talking about drought. And also severe weather patterns, you know drought may be a matter of constipated clouds where there is an imbalance of microbes and you know, that is leading toward the clouds basic inability to produce rain
[01:18:25] And that's what kind of a scary thing on Halloween to consider. Yeah, maybe maybe glyphosate and and there are other pesticides and herbicides as well causing their skewing the microbial balance on land and that leads to imbalance in the clouds and that's related to not just climate change but whether or not it rains or snows really that's amazing
[01:18:49] I mean, this is It's you know, The more I think about this the more I realize how delicate the environment is and how large of a role the environment plays on our. It's really [01:19:00] amazing. Yeah, it's I like to think of the gut Club really as an activist organization. And you know, when we become aware of this part of our environment that's basically invisible, you know, it might shatter some egos because there are a lot of really smart people out there that are not factoring microbes when they talk about health
[01:19:22] Yeah. No, I know. And so I think we need to get connected with the Web of Life period what the website is the gut Club the grub dot-org. That's why I left the house. I left that out. So I'm going there right now and I'm going to donate and I'm also going to you know, I have so I have got issues
[01:19:45] I've developed them over the past. I would say six or seven years. And I have developed the same neurological disorder that took my sister's life. It starts out in her legs, but she was mistreated. She was misdiagnosed with Parkinson's disease. I know it's not PD, [01:20:00] but I always wondered if my sister had gut problems because she lived in Arizona and I lived here and we didn't see each other that much
[01:20:08] I did go and stay with her for a while when she first got sick my cousin Rosemary 75th birthday recently. I went back to Atlantic City for. And so we were talking about my sister because my sister lived with her a couple years before she passed away and. I didn't even bring this up. I was you know, we've talked to my mom about my sister Valerie and and she said, you know, she didn't eat much, but she had such a big belly
[01:20:36] I said really. Oh my God. She look like she was pregnant and she ate like a bird. I don't understand it. I said well did she have a complain to you about having stomach? Oh, she's always she's always bloated and she always was crampy. And and so I have a gut problem that's about six years in my sister was already crippled at 60 she died at 64, [01:21:00] but that's because they misdiagnosed her and treated her for Parkinson's Disease the cinema
[01:21:03] It destroyed her brain. It did that's what did she would have lived a lot longer uncomfortably like me with legs that hurt and an enum and and I'm starting to get a little spastic in my legs now and you know, I fight against it I train and I keep pushing back, but I know that once I get my gut fixed this is all going to go away
[01:21:23] I know it because I know that if I eat certain foods. That make me my stomach feel worse. My symptoms are worse. And I know that if I eat certain foods that make my stomach feel better my symptoms get better. So I understand the link between gut and disease and we know now when we talk about autoimmunity when we talk about the immune system make no bones about it were talking about your stomach your gut
[01:21:57] Yeah, yeah. Are you familiar with the Hallmark [01:22:00] of Parkinson's being constipation? Yes, and she did she got constipate that thank God. I have no constipation. That's one thing about me. I have a regular schedule. I'm a one-day metabolites and other words if and I did this with charcoal if I eat something this morning, I poop it out tomorrow morning
[01:22:18] That's what operations. Yeah, and so and and I and I am and my audience is going to laugh because I'm going to bring this up but I am a proponent of having a firm well-formed stool about bowel movement that not this pasty, you know, mushy stuff. That's what that's baloney. Dr. Oz tells people they have their poop should be shaped like an S like Carvel if your poop is shaped like an S like car value eating the wrong Foods you ever see animals poop
[01:22:45] You ever go hunting bear hunting deer hunting. There are animal poop is firm. It's firm. That's that's how you know, your diet is right for you. But anyway, I know my sister did have constipation for years for years before she developed symptoms. [01:23:00] Yeah, they're well, do you happen to know what her diet was like that
[01:23:03] She did she eat a lot of pie and some Fiber. No she ate. Well, she ate a lot. She heart she ate pasta with broccoli three times or four times a week. She loves pasta with broccoli. I don't know. It might be T8. I don't know how much Amici a to be honest. Yeah, that could be her problem. You know, I I like to think you're I think I heard you say in a previous show that you were eating a lot of meat two and a half pounds of well, that was a little zit
[01:23:27] That was a zealotry experiment. I look I've always eaten a pound of beef every single day for decade now my normal diet it consists of several different animal protein sources. And a few vegetables I'm big into salmon. I'm big into beef. I'm big into chicken. I don't like turkey. I'll eat a little pork here and there and I'm big into eggs
[01:23:53] So I eat eggs every day. I eat beef every day. I eat a piece of salmon or can of salmon every [01:24:00] day. I eat these things every day. I was experimenting with just two and a half pounds of beef and nothing else. Hmm. And another God. Go ahead. No, no, go go go. Well, I was going to say that you know, there are a couple ways of going about this and the carnivore diet is pretty trendy these days and it's not really sustainable in my view brought but it can but on a temporary, you know basis, you know a week or two it could help to reset things and then after that you start adding non-starchy vegetables, but you leave out potatoes and bread
[01:24:38] And rice and and you know, these things can lead back to the overgrowth and of course sugar. So that's that's one way to do it. You you start with only animal protein and that can reset things. Yes. In fact that promote a program called Silver set and there's a [01:25:00] blog post on our our page about that
[01:25:04] So the the other side of the coin is to do a high dose vegetable diet. And that's that's been promoted by the walls protocol and we're eating 9 cups of non-starchy vegetables a day, right? That's that's pretty high dose and and you're also leaving out the starches and Grains, right? So, you know, there are two ways to go about this and depending on what the stool test results show
[01:25:33] It can suggest different ways of handling the diet and and different supplements that might push things in the right direction. Yeah, and it see but see the you know, the interesting thing about both and I just talked about this recently that the Aging thing about these diets, right the vegan, you know, the not the vegan diet, but the the keto diet the carnivore diet they overlap in what is left out
[01:25:57] See and I'm [01:26:00] I could do a vegan diet for a couple weeks. No doubt about it. I had dr. Walls on this show many years ago II just wouldn't enjoy it as much as I would eaten just salmon or just be for just chicken, you know, and so the funny thing about this is I came home from Ireland in July. And I felt horrible because I was eating so much bread
[01:26:24] I was eating so so I ate so much starch when I was in Ireland that my symptoms really got terrible and I went on the adventure on the steak and egg diet and in two weeks. I felt so much better my the agility and my legs was coming back and I thought to myself man. This is all this is all controllable by diet
[01:26:44] This is my gut and but I really want to just fix my gut I want to get I am sure. That I have some gut issues that need to be fixed because my fear is if I eat steak and eggs, or I eat [01:27:00] a elimination style diet. All I'm really doing is turning those microbes into spores because this is what we've learned when you when you correct some of these gut issues
[01:27:11] Through diet the gram-negative bacteria have the ability to turn into a Spore and go into suspended animation. And then they and they're still there. There's no they're not they're not gone. You're just not feeding them anymore, but they didn't die and I want to kill them and and have good bacteria
[01:27:30] Take over. Yeah. Well, the Spore formers are also Quest Rydia and. And that makes them a moving Target. And of course yeast or fungi are also moving Target. Yes. So yeah, this is more art than science these days but there's so much that can be done. There are people out there that are very advanced in various tests
[01:27:53] And you know, I'm still learning quite a lot about about this and and trying to learn how to [01:28:00] better interpret these tests. It is also the organic acid urine testing right that can correlate with with microbial populations. But all these different diets like the kids that ketogenic diet the carnivore diet the gluten-free diet
[01:28:16] None of them are factoring microbes yet. Not not to any great extent, you know, where as if you were to look at a few studies showing the you know, how microbial populations are shifted. By the ketogenic diet he starts to put two and two together right and and figure out why you might have be having nerve issues or you know with some people clinical depression, which is a huge issue
[01:28:47] These people can possibly benefit hugely, bye-bye. Low carb diet. Yes. Hey Leo diet. Yes. Well, you know see and I like the paleo diet cause it's very sensible. It's really is [01:29:00] very sensible the paleo diet. It's not as extreme. You can be more social with it. You know what I mean? You don't have to explain why you're eating steak and broccoli, you know yy-you just eating fat or why you just eating beat, you know, it's a lot easier to be paleo than it is anything else the truth is and it's a very good
[01:29:19] Yeah, but it's also, you know should be seen as a therapeutic diet and whether or not it's sustainable long term is really debatable because if you look at certain cultures, like okinawans in Japan, you know, a huge percentage like more than half of their diet and their the from the longest-lived people on Earth commonly over a hundred so, you know, they were
[01:29:46] Sustaining themselves largely on purple sweet potato right Okinawan sweet potatoes. So we have to feed our protective microbes, right and and we have to guard against them being killed, you know by toxic [01:30:00] environment and that's the hard part the toxic environment. Look it's been really great having you on the show and we will have you back keep me posted on anything new that you're working on so I can get you right back
[01:30:12] On that point Carl. Okay. Thank you very much. And I'm going to join the gut club and I suggest everybody go to the gut Club dot org and join I'm going to I'm going to have the you biome stool testing done. Great. Please do use our discount code to that club. You'll get your ends up being about 70 dollars
[01:30:28] So it's dirt cheap and and I'd be happy to give you my interpretation of it and we'll do that. We'll do that. We'll just we'll do use that for the topic of a future show. How does that sound? Beautiful great. Thanks for being on the show today Keith. Thank you Carl. You're a Pioneer. I appreciate it
[01:30:44] Thank you. Nice. Nice guy and doing some amazing work really amazing work and you know what? If you're offended by some one's questioning vaccines you have a problem because we should you should question everything. All right, that's it for today tomorrow. We have [01:31:00] the ReNew Life show when we talk about testosterone tomorrow
[01:31:04] So don't miss that with Adam Lamb will see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening.
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