Catching up w/ Dr. Shawn Baker + Multi-Species Regenerative Approach
with Dr. Shawn Baker, MD - Will Harris
Dr. Shawn Baker first appeared on Super Human Radio in July of 2017. Back then he was showing the world what eating a diet almost exclusively of beef was paying dividends in strength as he turned 50 years old. Back then he had a website called N Equals Many where he was asking people to get blood-work done, then switch to a carnivore diet, and then re-test after a period of time in an effort to create a type of crowd-based scientific study. Today, Dr. Baker is one of the most disruptive people in the world to the diet and nutrition category, as he shows that red meat is not only not-bad for you, but mitigates most of the diseases of modernity. He joins Carl today to continue the conversation that began in 2017. PLUS A new study that looks at regenerative farming and raising beef throws a monkey wrench into the beef equals climate change argument being promoted by people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bill Gates. Lets see if they’re still willing to follow the science when it doesn’t support their agenda. Go to http://shrnetwork.biz/whiteoak and use code SUPERHUMAN to save 15% off.
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About the Guest:
Shawn Baker is a lifelong multisport elite-level athlete and a medical doctor who served as a combat trauma surgeon and chief of orthopedics while deployed to Afghanistan with the United States Air Force. His focus in recent years has been on using nutrition as a tool for health, performance, and overall well-being. Through his Carnivore Training System and private consulting work, he has inspired countless thousands of others to challenge a highly flawed nutritional paradigm and to opt for a carnivorous lifestyle instead.
Show Notes:
Catching up w/ Dr. Shawn Baker
[00:04:04] The USDA's own statistics show the average American eat extraordinarily little red meat on a daily basis compared to fruit, vegetables, and dairy. Petrochemicals and chemical pesticides and herbicides are sprayed in tons on plant crops that pollutes the air and affects the climate. Fake meat markets are building on the lie that raising cows are bad for the earth.
[00:06:25] A study, comparing beef with the Impossible Burger meat, has shown that beef has 55,000 unique compounds i.e., creatine, carnitine and taurine as opposed to the impossible burger which is only similar in as far as protein, fat and carbohydrates go.
[00:08:12] A study from Boston University proved a correlation between gut permeability and its association with autoimmune disease.
[00:10:12] Data supports high nutrient dense, calorically dense foods like animal products for brain development as a child.
[00:15:55] A study done at Harvard University on 2000 people following the carnivore diet showed no nutrient deficiencies.
[00:18:14] High iron levels are closely related to iron handling and how much is absorbed through the gut regulated by a hormone called hepcidin. Hepcidin is produced by the liver and is secondarily under the regulation of insulin. When insulin is not so high, hepcidin leads to the fact that not much iron is absorbed.
[00:19:52] After the initial full carnivore elimination diet, a possible 90% meat, 10% plant food diet is a pattern many people follow after eradicating illnesses, providing they do not have a negative reaction to the food they are introducing.
[00:24:17] Dr Baker created a company by the name Revero (see links below). It is a virtual-first clinic integrating nutritional therapy and clinical expertise with machine learning and digital tools to address the root causes of chronic diseases.
[00:30:45] Dr. Rhonda Patrick, posted that just three quarters of a pound of beef a day turns on some cancer producing genes. The study she cited was Dietary manipulation of oncogenic, mRNA expression in human rectal, mucosa: a randomized trial, from 2014.
[00:31:28] Butyrate resistant starch was used to mitigate this and to have a protective effect in the colonic mucosa. Butyrate is very closely related to beta hydroxybutyrate, which is a ketone body. This study may have relevance if you are eating meat in the context of a junk food diet.
[00:35:09] Low residue diets are often recommended for inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's disease, etc. Fibre potentially acts as irritants for some people.
[00:37:36] Fibre is conditionally beneficial if you are on a standard American junk food diet to mitigate the glucose surge, but if it is displacing meat from the diet, it is not as good.
[00:39:50] An interesting conversation on digestive function follows.
[00:47:46] Listen to an explanation of a previous debate between Dr Baker and Dr Layne Norton.
[00:49:00] Follow the discussion on raw vs cooked meat. And Dr Baker’s cooking methodologies.
[00:52:45] There is no loss of polyphenols and flavonoids on the carnivore diet as the animals eat a variety of phytonutrients.
[00:55:53] The outcome of eating organ meat vs not eating organ meat depends on if you are coming in from a nutrient deficient diet, the organ meat will have influence in the beginning.
Multi-Species Regenerative Approach
[01:04:35] The figure to show the CO2 output in the environment should be based on the feed lot model, which is vastly different to traditional farming.
[01:05:39] White Oak Pastures transitioned from the industrial model to the pasture-based model 25 years ago. An environmental engineering firm did scientific measurements. The findings were that White Oak Pastures were sequestering 40.5 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent to every pound of grass-fed beef sold
[01:08:00] A riveting discussion ensues on greenhouse gasses and the circulation of carbon.
[01:13:00] A previous blog post shows that it costs more when you look at crop yield and you look at nutrient value and how long you can feed somebody on a single cow versus, an acre of soy which also takes way more water.
[01:16:54] Beef is good, we just need to find a better way to raise it. Why aren’t people looking to regenerative farmers for the answer?
[01:17:26] So many people and companies are making so much money from the existing industrial farming system, that there was just an incredible amount of lobbyist pressure. Centralized, industrialized commodity farming has impoverished rural America, it has ruined the health of humanity and it has been hell on our environment, from the water to the air, to the climate.
[01:06:38] White Oak Pastures makes the single best animal protein in the world (see link below).
[01:20:21] Summary of this discussion: There is a way to raise cattle and other animals and not only not hurt the planet but help the planet.
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